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Happy Villager
08-10-2007, 08:13 PM
I read this months Village Homeowners Association Voice paper today. There is an article where the VHA reps met with Center District and Developer reps and asked questions. One of the questions was that guest passes are being issued for relatives who live within the area for a year at a time and some people are reporting widespread abuse. The response was that the rule for "in area" guest IDs for children or grandchildren who reside in Lake, Sumter or Marion counties were clarified. If a child or grandchild resides in Lake, Sumter or Marion counties, a Villages resident may obtain an "in area" guest ID card for them at any of the regional recreational centers. This ID is valid for one year from date of isuance. The resident whose name appears on the "in area" guest ID must accompany these children and must have their own resident ID. All guests under 19 years of age must be accompanied by a Villages resident or guest (with proper ID) who is over 19 years of age.

I know this is long but I was under the impression there is a one month limit per year that a guest could visit in TV. What is this "in area" guest ID all about? Does anyone here know? If your kids or grandkids live in one of the three counties does it mean they can use our facilities like executive golf, pools etc.?

Frangyomory
08-11-2007, 02:04 PM
When I came to live here it was one month at a time but renewable for out of town guests. There was also a limit by, I believe, 50 miles that you could not get guest IDs. Apparently the developer has changed the rules and we were not notified. So much for only legitimate guests and residents only using the amenities. This is apparenty how the people who live in Del Webb and Spruce Creek are using our pools, etc. Makes me sick. :edit:

villager99
08-11-2007, 04:50 PM
i believe the changes to the in area guest passes were studied by the developer and interested villagers. last year.
it's primarily a way for villagers with grandchildren and family in the tri-county area to have more flexible visiting. the villages does spend alot promoting inter generational relationships.
is this good or bad?
many/most villagers do have grandchildren who visit. and the summer kids camp programs expands yearly.

bestmickey
08-11-2007, 05:53 PM
While I'm not yet a Villages resident, I may be next year. For that privilege, I will monthly be paying a premium price to live there. I don't want outsiders having every day access to my (our) facilities coming from my (our) hard earned money. That is absurd!

If Villages residents want to spend time with their grandchildren who live in the vicinity....go ahead. I truly think it's a wonderful thing to have intergenerational interactions. BUT, such visits on-site should be limited to 30 days per year. If you want to golf (on executive courses), swim or play with your grandkids more frequently...go to their turf! We all pay (or will soon) premium prices to live in The Villages. No one who lives outside of The Villages should have a free ride to use our facilities any time they want.

The Villages was intended (and is advertised) to be a 55+ y.o. "Retirement Community". Perhaps with all the changes the developer is making, such as allowing "outsiders" and children to have free use of the facilities of The Villages, the developer is guilty of FALSE REPRESENTATION and FALSE ADVERTISING. Isn't that FRAUD?

I'm sure that what I've said here will give the impression that I'm not a friendly person and that perhaps I don't belong in "Florida's Friendliest Home Town". Well, that honestly isn't the case. I am a friendly person who believes in "live and let live". However, there were/are a number of requirements that the developer put in place, which we all were/are made aware of prior to our home purchase. These requirements should not be changed without a vote of the full community.

And Curry, please don't submit another of your non-descript comments. They're getting to be a bore. I've noted that some of your submissions are well written and your English is proper. So you are capable of being descriptive. I'm tired of your "beware of Florida real estate agents" notes.

villager99
08-11-2007, 06:01 PM
the villages is not a true gated community nor are all the residents over 55. these are ongoing topics of conversations by most villagers. there are many pros and cons. hope everyone becomes active in attending meetings and learning once they settle here. the cdc will become increasingly resident controled over the years.

Happy Villager
08-11-2007, 06:48 PM
Best Mickey, I think you expressed the feelings that the "MAJORITY" of Villagers have regarding our community. We moved here to be in a retirement community and now they are trying to say the rules were changed by the developer and "interested villagers". Just who are the "interested villagers", could they be the Village Homeowner's Association? I too have children and grandchildren but the 30 day per year limit should be enforced. I chose to move here knowing that my time "here" would be limited with them. I can still visit with them and spend time with them but not here! We will have to have that decision changed back when we do get control when we are governed under the CDD and not the developer. I am sure when it has to be put to a vote the majority will rule. The Villages is crowded enough and we already do enough for the visitors.

Happy Villager
08-11-2007, 06:51 PM
i believe the changes to the in area guest passes were studied by the developer and interested villagers. last year.
it's primarily a way for villagers with grandchildren and family in the tri-county area to have more flexible visiting. the villages does spend alot promoting inter generational relationships.
is this good or bad?
many/most villagers do have grandchildren who visit. and the summer kids camp programs expands yearly.


Villager99, what do you mean by "more flexiable visiting"? Is the guest ID issued for the whole year for convenience but the visit still limited to 30 days per year?

SuzieQ
08-11-2007, 07:36 PM
What do the initials CDD stand for?

villager99
08-11-2007, 07:45 PM
i didn't attend any of the in area guest pass revision meetings as i don't have grandchildren in the tri-county area but i had heard complaints that family living nearby was likely to visit often and somewhat unplanned so trips to a regional rec center for last miunute passes was problematic.
guest pass rules have changed several times in the 8 years i've lived in tv.
while not always ideal there are avenues for raising issues for developer consideration. and someday we will graduate to full resident control.

darbyduff
08-11-2007, 08:05 PM
A friend lives in Scottsdale AZ but has a friend in Sun City. (55+) They also have unlimited visits from grandchildren but have limited places where they can "play". i.e. pool etc

By the way Curry...I thought you were busy packing. I know you said you were leaving TV.

REDCART
08-12-2007, 09:27 AM
SuzieQ, the initials CDD stand for Community Development District, the quasi-governmental entity which was created to fund (issue bonds) to cover the infrastructure of TV: water, sewer and roads; and which is ultimately tasked with administering the day-t0-day operation of the property that it oversees. Here's a link which may be helpful on the subject. http://www.districtgov.org/vccdd/home.asp (http://www.districtgov.org/vccdd/home.asp)

bamafan
08-12-2007, 07:48 PM
Curry has been banned. He or she could return as something else. Maybe an english professor

Frangyomory
08-12-2007, 07:53 PM
This unlimited in area pass is the way some people who live in DelWebb and Spruce Creek use our pools, etc. They have friends here and their friends get guest passes. This makes me sick. If they want to play here they should pay here!!!!!!!

I am all for grandparents having all the time and opportunity to see their grandchildren but if they live within 50 miles of the Villages, they don't need to spend their summer vacations here! :dontknow: :dontknow: ??? ???

zcaveman
08-12-2007, 08:40 PM
My understanding is that the Executive Golf Courses are restricted to Villagers and guests who reside outside of Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. A friend of mine wanted to bring a lady friend he met to play golf and was told "only the championship courses". I am going to check tomorrow and see if the "in-county" relatives qualify for these courses. It is hard enough for me to get a tee time without having to fight the local relatives.

Happy Villager
08-12-2007, 09:03 PM
My understanding is that the Executive Golf Courses are restricted to Villagers and guests who reside outside of Lake, Marion and Sumter counties. A friend of mine wanted to bring a lady friend he met to play golf and was told "only the championship courses". I am going to check tomorrow and see if the "in-county" relatives qualify for these courses. It is hard enough for me to get a tee time without having to fight the local relatives.


Thanks for checking on this caveman. Could you let us know what you find out?

nanci2539
08-13-2007, 11:45 AM
I have to say, these posts are making me a bit nervous. Hopefully, my grandchildren and families will be visiting but I doubt if it will be longer than a week at a time. Maybe two weeks during summer vacation.

My impressions (in simple terms) is that when visitors come, you obtain guest passes for them to enjoy the family pools and some of the other activities.

Am I understanding that non resident people as well as people who live around TV (with family living in TV) are using the pools and recreation on a long term guest pass? Isn't there a way to control this?

zcaveman
08-13-2007, 12:00 PM
I checked with the starter this morning and he told me that the families of Villagers that live in the tri-county area (Lake, Marion, and Sumter) using the "in area guest passes" are allowed to play golf on the executive courses. He tried to make me feel better by telling me they had to pay the guest fee. My response was that this still does not help the Villagers get tee times. He had no answer.

bestmickey
08-13-2007, 12:21 PM
This stinks and should not be allowed. Isn't there something the residents can do to get this stopped?
I recognize it was previously noted that "some" residents wanted local family members to have access, but I expect the majority of residents do not agree.

Happy Villager
08-13-2007, 02:23 PM
I checked with the starter this morning and he told me that the families of Villagers that live in the tri-county area (Lake, Marion, and Sumter) using the "in area guest passes" are allowed to play golf on the executive courses. He tried to make me feel better by telling me they had to pay the guest fee. My response was that this still does not help the Villagers get tee times. He had no answer.


This is absolutly unbelievable! I'm incensed as is my husband! Just to let you know after I read your response I called the Laural Manor Regional Recreation Center and asked if getting the yearly "in area guest passes" was just a convenience and they were still limited to 30 days per year and he said NO. The pass is issued for a year and they can use it all year! No wonder the family pools are crowded and we definitely will be having a harder time getting tee times when the renters come this winter. I wish there were another place that offered the golf and golfcart access like here because we would be out of here. How can they be allowed to change the rules in midstream. Wonder what would happen if we put statues on our front lawn. Heck we just changed the rules for ourselves, if they can do it why can't we?

villager99
08-13-2007, 03:34 PM
things get muddier when you realize there is no limit on how many 30 day guest passes you can get for visitors. things are always changing in tv some for the better some for the worse.
thank goodness for adult only and resident only pools.

chacam
08-13-2007, 03:38 PM
All you whiners ought to join the POA. I'm not altogether happy with some of the things that go on here, but I don't make a career whining about it. Y'all just oughta chill and enjoy life and what The Villages has to offer ! ! You think it's bad now, wait until the snowbirds (pardon me, seasonal residents) get back. Ain't nothing here to spend energy griping about. Life it too short not to enjoy it ! ! !

Reading your comments is amusing ! ! !

kar guy
08-13-2007, 04:02 PM
IN THE "ASSOCIATION" THAT I BELONG TO IN OHIO HAS ITS PROBLEMS JUST LIKE THEY DO DOWN THERE. IF IT IS NOT ONE THING IT IS ANOTHER. YES, WE CAN YELL AND SCREAM UNTIL WE ARE BLUE IN THE FACE OR WE CAN JUST ACCEPT THE FACT THAT STUFF DOES HAPPEN AND WE CANNOT CONTROL EVERYTHING. I KNOW WHEN WE GET TO TV THAT EVERYTHING IS NOT GOING TO BE PERFECT. I WISH IT WOULD BE BUT IT WON'T. BUT I WILL ENJOY EVERY BIT OF BEING IN TV, WITH OR WITHOUT PROBLEMS. TAKE CARE THE KAR GUY.

Happy Villager
08-13-2007, 06:48 PM
All you whiners ought to join the POA. I'm not altogether happy with some of the things that go on here, but I don't make a career whining about it. Y'all just oughta chill and enjoy life and what The Villages has to offer ! ! You think it's bad now, wait until the snowbirds (pardon me, seasonal residents) get back. Ain't nothing here to spend energy griping about. Life it too short not to enjoy it ! ! !

Reading your comments is amusing ! ! !


Your right chacam maybe I should drop out of the VHA and join the POA. It is not whining when you stand up for what is right, it is protecting your investment! Personally I have no problem with seasonal residents because they are paying their way all year long and only enjoying TV parttime. Our home was empty for a whole year before we were able to move here and we had no complaint paying for what we purchased and it's upkeep. You have a weird sense of humor. :o

zcaveman
08-15-2007, 10:48 AM
The POA has already addressed it. And it will be an ongoing issue. Prior to this year, I had no problem getting tee times in the "off season" no matter how many points I had. Now I am either not accommodated or assigned tee times in the 11:00 range. Very hot at that time. I am not sure how many "in-area guests" are getting some of the better times but onewould be too many for me.

Personally, chacam, I do just grin and bear it. You are right - there ain't much I can do about it and there is no better game in town. Chill out and have a Bud!

golfnut
08-15-2007, 10:52 AM
Here, here Z, I agree.

drdodge
11-08-2007, 08:22 PM
you have to be a relative of a village resident in order to get an in area guest pass. a relative would be son or daughter or grandchild. and you have to be with them at all time, any violation and pass is taken away. a friend cannot get a guest pass. a guest pass enablkes them to use all of the facilities. I know all of this because my son-in-law has one so that he and I can play golf 2 or 3 times a week. I think this is good, some of you people are very narrow minded

drd

chacam
11-09-2007, 12:36 AM
And y'all wonder why the Daily Sun won't advertise TOTV ? ? Maybe because of negative topics like this one ? ? You don't like it here, go somewhere else, please ! !

Happy Villager
11-09-2007, 01:38 AM
When we moved here we were told that guest were limited to 30 days per year. Why is it that a family member that lives in the area is given preferential treatment? If someone wishes to play golf they can do so on any of the championship courses "without" a guest pass. We the "residents" are the ones that pay the amenities fees and I feel strongly that the executive course tee times should be available to residents first. As a matter of fact I just read where changes to the tee time reservation system has been approved and perhaps an additional change could be done to only allow in area guests to golf the executive courses when or if there are any open tee times available.

drdodge
11-10-2007, 02:06 AM
in area guest passes are a little differant than regular guest passes. A resident of the tri county area cannot get a regular guest pass.
drd

jadebox
11-11-2007, 01:38 PM
My son is one of the 307 relatives that have in area guest passes. He plays golf about twice a year and never uses the pools so guess there is really only 306 people. My friends in Ohio extended their stay here from 4 to 6 weeks. We had passes for them for 4 weeks and got extention with no problem.