Tipping -- What is wrong with some people????

[redwitch]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

[ilovetv]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

Right. And then there are locals who blame The Villages "rich fat cats" for all their county's or city's economic shortfalls.

The bottom line is that TV has produced many jobs and increased tax base hugely.

When people blame a villain they've never met and know nothing about personally, there's little hope of logic and fact changing their mind.

Those server comments are just plain ignorant, or from really old people whose ornery brains are getting like petrified wood.

[justjim]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

I agree there is definitely something wrong with a person who would do as you said in your OP. A "normal" person tips according to the service he/she receives. This type of behavior is scary. chilout

[DonH57]

That's just plain tasteless and innappropriate. it's unbelievable some people would stoop so low as to blame others for the state of the nation. People leaving notes like this more than likely never worked in the service industry. Plain cruel. That's the way I see it.

[Bonnevie]

that's incredible. I hope they are the exception and not the rule. I always tip generously especially is the server is good. Any work dealing with the public is difficult and I appreciate it.

[KathieI]

Red, I think that's awful. How ridiculous can people be. I feel so bad for the servers here in FL, they make so little money and they normally do work very hard.

I have a rule of thumb with tipping, if the bill is under $20 and the service was great, (notice I didn't say the food because the server really has nothing to do with the quality of food), I leave a $5 tip. Very rarely, however, my bill is under $20 so I leave a proportional amount of tip above $5. I think it is appreciated because I can tell when I frequent a restaurant, I do get good service.

[ilovetv]

That's just plain tasteless and innappropriate. it's unbelievable some people would stoop so low as to blame others for the state of the nation. People leaving notes like this more than likely never worked in the service industry. Plain cruel. That's the way I see it.

It is cruel and selfish, but with the older folks like that, I think often they are reminding themselves of how THEY "used to have to walk 5 miles to school, barefoot, thru a foot of snow and then got home to having to shovel coal" etc. while "you young whippersnappers have it so easy nowadays". Older people can be very cranky, especially when they don't feel good most of the time.

[Gulfhills]

OMG, how ironic. My daughter (who works at Applebee's in Tallahassee) called me last night, with basically some of the same problems.

It broke my heart for her. It's hard to imagine how mean and ugly some people can be.

[blueash]

I wonder if this is a general finding around here or is it more specific to Darden Restaurants? Sadly people mad at Darden might be taking it out on their hard working employees. If you're upset with Darden don't go into their restaurants. I noticed that RW had quotes which might be from both ends of the political spectrum. Hmm.

I like to hear from servers in other restaurants to know if they are also seeing more of this abhorrent behavior.

[Bonnevie]

all the service people I have encountered in my admittedly short time here, have been so upbeat and pleasant. They are so accommodating to using coupons with separate checks, etc. I can't understand how someone would react so poorly to such good treatment.

[scarecrow1]

As a past bartender I have to say that I never relied on tips as the patrons are not responsible for my salary or life style. I figured if I didn't get the pay that I wanted then it was my responsibility to to seek other type of work to better myself as I did. The hole problem is the service industry doesn't pay THEIR employees enough and it shouldn't be the patron's responsibility to subsidize their income. As for the notes that's just ridiculous and rude.

[DonH57]

It is cruel and selfish, but with the older folks like that, I think often they are reminding themselves of how THEY "used to have to walk 5 miles to school, barefoot, thru a foot of snow and then got home to having to shovel coal" etc. while "you young whippersnappers have it so easy nowadays". Older people can be very cranky, especially when they don't feel good most of the time.

I'm sure that's true. I just hope I don't become like that when I stop firing on all cylinders in my later years. LOL. Since living here we had no issues with the young servers and employees in resaurants, hotels or other venues and are very well mannered and polite.

[kittygilchrist]

It is cruel and selfish, but with the older folks like that, I think often they are reminding themselves of how THEY "used to have to walk 5 miles to school, barefoot, thru a foot of snow and then got home to having to shovel coal" etc. while "you young whippersnappers have it so easy nowadays". Older people can be very cranky, especially when they don't feel good most of the time.

If one has enough money and health to eat out at Olive Garden, and enough brains to write a coherent note, one is neither too poor nor too ill to leave a good server a good tip.

[Peachie]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

That is repulsive Red, but maybe it's time to fix the system. After watching a friend skin a server's tip time after time, we know longer go anywhere with her but a self-serve restaurant.

I think servers and bartenders should be paid minimum wage and have an added 20% tip automatically included in the bill total, problem solved.
Complaints about the services from inept employees would make it easier for the employers to cull them out and retain good workers. Almost all appropriate taxes would be collected by the IRS because a full accounting would available.

The current tipping system is archaic and ridiculous, to say the least.

[Villages PL]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

I've never heard of this behavior before where people leave notes on checks instead of tipping. It sounds very strange. It seems like they are trying to justify not tipping by finding a reason, even though the reason doesn't make sense. Perhaps by making up a reason in their own minds, they feel less guilty for not tipping.

[kagney123]

I have also heard this has become a new trend... I say these people are cowards..

Servers work hard and long and from now on, I will tip over the amount to help make up the difference of these mean non tippers.

[graciegirl]

I have also heard this has become a new trend... I say these people are cowards..

Servers work hard and long and from now on, I will tip over the amount to help make up the difference of these mean non tippers.

I so agree. That is outrageous, and cheap and cowardly.

[golf2140]

Red, I think that's awful. How ridiculous can people be. I feel so bad for the servers here in FL, they make so little money and they normally do work very hard.

I have a rule of thumb with tipping, if the bill is under $20 and the service was great, (notice I didn't say the food because the server really has nothing to do with the quality of food), I leave a $5 tip. Very rarely, however, my bill is under $20 so I leave a proportional amount of tip above $5. I think it is appreciated because I can tell when I frequent a restaurant, I do get good service.

Kathie,

We must be related. I do the same. For people to write a note is just plain rude. I see more and more of that in our area.

[KathieI]

Kathie,

We must be related. I do the same. For people to write a note is just plain rude. I see more and more of that in our area.

Hahahaha,,, your not husband #2 are you??? Shhhhh......

[Halle]

I have also heard this has become a new trend... I say these people are cowards..

Servers work hard and long and from now on, I will tip over the amount to help make up the difference of these mean non tippers.

:mademyday:

I agree I will also increase my tips for good service. I have always been a generous tipper and after reading this thread will be even more generous.

[Trayderjoe]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

Small minded people like these are just looking for an excuse not to tip and unfortunately other people "pay" for this behavior. I tip commensurate to the service, and make it a point to speak to the manager to inform him/her of exceptionally good, or really bad service. I can only think of one server that we have had at a Villages establishment (the name of the restaurant is inconsequential to this discussion) who was less than adequate (we were pretty much ignored-getting a drink refill was next to non-existent and the plates were almost literally dropped on the table).

[Russ_Boston]

I wonder if this is a general finding around here or is it more specific to Darden Restaurants?

Just curious - Why would you think it is isolated to Darden chains? One poster said the same thing happened to someone they know at Applebee's (not a Darden chain member).

[perrjojo]

My husband and I had breakfast at Perkins on 441 today. When our server left the check, she also left a cute Halloween pin that she makes for all of her customers. How cool is that? Of course she got a very nice tips.

[gomoho]

My brother recently shared his philosophy with me about tipping - he tips servers generously to thank them for working - he ignores people begging in the streets.

[perrjojo]

My brother recently shared his philosophy with me about tipping - he tips servers generously to thank them for working - he ignores people begging in the streets.
A wise man.

[George Bieniaszek]

These people obviously don't or never worked in the service industry so they don't understand how hard servers or bartenders work during a normal shift to take care of their customers. My son works as a bartender in Connecticut and knows who the best or better tippers are and who don't tip at all. They get the best service from him, while the non-tippers are usually the last ones to be served when the bar fills up quickly.

If people cannot afford the tip to those that serve you and try their hardest to provide the best dining experience then they should stay home and discuss their views or agenda with themselves.

[l2ridehd]

I read an article someplace within the last week that claimed that studies have been done and when a restaurant shows the recommended tip, that tip totals actually decrease. Has something to do with showing the % (usually 18%) and people getting upset with the recommendation. Also depended on how the % was applied. Total plus tax or just food and beverage total. If I can find it again I will post the link.

But in any case, if you get good service, leave a good tip. (20 to 25%) If service is bad, still leave a smaller tip and tell the waiter/waitress why. Maybe they can fix the problem next time. Remember their hourly wage is not very high.

[ilovetv]

If one has enough money and health to eat out at Olive Garden, and enough brains to write a coherent note, one is neither too poor nor too ill to leave a good server a good tip.

I agree with you. I was giving a probable reason, NOT an excuse. There is no excuse for such behavior.

Personally, I think extreme cheapskate tactics border on mental illness. Sometimes it's wealthy people who are the cheapest, pretending (lying) that they can't afford something under $10.

[ilovetv]

My husband and I had breakfast at Perkins on 441 today. When our server left the check, she also left a cute Halloween pin that she makes for all of her customers. How cool is that? Of course she got a very nice tips.

The general manager was cashiering there the other day, and was right out there on the front lines where every manager ought to be, to see what both servers AND customers have to put up with! Her presence had a lot to do with the good service/food we got.

[CraigAC]

I've never had a bad service experience at any Village's restaurant. The servers have always been very pleasant and truly made us feel that they appreciated our business.

It bothers me every time I read about people that refuse to tip or under-tip. I wonder if they realize that most of these dedicated servers depend on their tips to pay their rent and basic living expenses?

I never penalize a server for having a bad day -- I've had a few in my time as well and was always thankful that my boss or coworkers never held it against me.

It's sad that this problem will probably never go away.

[redwitch]

Thank you all for your kind words. I will admit I was (and am) very upset for my daughter. It seems the problem started when Darden started putting down recommended tip amounts. This has definitely decreased the amount of tips servers are getting -- some resent the "suggestion", some used to tip more than 18% and now don't. It's really a shame that employees are being blamed for poor management practices.

[Boudicca]

We have an absolute first rate server we always tip well at an eatery down in Sumter. She anticipates our drink requests, knows our names, asks about children and grandchildren, and adds to our dining out enjoyment. So much so we are taking HER out to eat next week - She's a hardworking mom of two teenage chldren and deserves a break.

[ilovetv]

Thank you all for your kind words. I will admit I was (and am) very upset for my daughter. It seems the problem started when Darden started putting down recommended tip amounts. This has definitely decreased the amount of tips servers are getting -- some resent the "suggestion", some used to tip more than 18% and now don't. It's really a shame that employees are being blamed for poor management practices.

Well now that is upsetting to me. By placing a recommended tip amount on the check, it clearly conveys the idea that a server is automatically "entitled" to at least that amount, regardless of whether they did a crappy job or a good job. It also conveys a message that the company does not believe they should pay what is "entitled" to the server. It's the attitude conveyed by the business that is a big turnoff IMO.

If I see a "suggested tip" amount of 18% or whatever, it's going to give me great pause. Tipping is supposed to be subjective, according to what kind of a job the server did. It should not be automatic, regardless of poor service. (Large tables should have the automatic percentage attached.)

If they're going to remind customers about tipping, I would much prefer to see a sentence there like: "Tipped minimum wage is $4.77/hr. in FL, and our servers greatly appreciate a gratuity that reflects their job performance."

An entitlement attitude is a real turnoff.

Maybe we should all email Darden and tell them what we think of that suggested tip percentage nonsense!

[ilovetv]

Well now I see this added info about a new IRS ruling that sheds some light on the Darden suggested tip amounts....it appears to be for good reason because of taxation (should we be surprised?):

Many restaurants have long-standing policies for adding an automatic gratuity to the tabs of parties of six or more, but an updated tax rule may change that.

Beginning in January, the Internal Revenue Service will classify automatic gratuities as "service charges" rather than tips because they aren't voluntary. The distinction allows the IRS to treat those gratuities as regular wages subject to payroll tax withholding........

.....To address the longstanding problem of large parties often tipping less for more labor, Darden is experimenting with customer checks that come printed with three suggested tip amounts already calculated.

All bills, regardless of party size, are printed with the calculations for adding a 15, 18 or 20 percent tip to the total. If the new checks are received well by customers and work to prevent servers losing tips on large tabs, automatic gratuity could be eliminated company-wide by year-end, and other restaurants are expected to follow suit."

New IRS rule may end automatic gratuity in restaurants - UPI.com (http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/09/05/New-IRS-rule-may-end-automatic-gratuity-in-restaurants/8401378397383/)

[IADCathy]

And if one cannot afford to tip what is one doing "eating out" anyway????

[nitehawk]

I just cant believe this is happening in TV

[Russ_Boston]

I just cant believe this is happening in TV

Darden is a national chain - not just tv.

[Suzi]

I have become so "jaded" by less-than-reputable owners, that I tip well IN CASH. This way I KNOW the server receives the tip they deserve without question. Sure, I need to always have cash on hand, but I think it is worth a bit of my time so that the server doesn't get cheated out of their due compensation.

[tainsley]

Cash tips!

[senior citizen]

While on vacation in Maine this summer, I noticed that almost all of the restaurants added an 18% gratuity to the "bill" of those dining. This is done automatically. It is stated on the menu.

This is nothing new. It's done in many states.

Also, in many restaurants (various states) all of the servers have to "share" their tips with the hostess or host who takes them to their table, hands them their menu, etc. I would assume in better restaurants, the tip is also shared with the ones who clean off the table......or the bus boys.

The young people we've known who have worked in restaurants get very low wages.......they RELY on the tips.

We always tip generously. Would never leave such a note.

On the other side of the coin.......in a good restaurant, wait staff can do very well tip wise.........but usually after six days out of seven working and very very long hours.

A blast from the past. Back in 1968, I had a next door neighbor with two toddlers who only worked waitressing on the weekend when her husband could stay with the little ones at night........she would tell me she made $100. for the two evenings waitressing. Back in the '60s that was good. That $100. was in "tips" alone......

A young person we know now who "hostesses" tells me she makes at least $300 or more in tips alone..........plus her salary. That would be the minimum......

[Golfingnut]

we hand the wait staff our tip in cash and always approx. 25 % for dinner or food orders and 35% when just up to the bar for a beer or two. Bartenders and Wait staff have nothing, nothing to do with policy so don't blame them for you problems.

[foxylady288]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

From a practical perspective, this raises a question of just how prevalent this problem is. You included three examples of rather tacky customer comments in lieu of tips. Are there others? How many? Over what period of time? This thread is beginning to sound as if this is a problem of epidemic proportions. Is it possible that all this commentary is being spent on just a few isolated issues over a period of time? If that's the case we should not be condemning Darden for doing what many Restaurants have done for many years nor should we be assuming that the predominance of Restaurant patrons are cheap bas---ds who won't tip. Bottom line is that tipping should be proportionate to the level of service delivered and the manner in which it's being delivered. The alternative of course is to eliminate tipping, raise servers wages and add the additional cost to the price of meals. In this scenario, diners won't be able to brag about what generous tippers they are and will resort to condemnation of the establishment because their prices are to high.

[graciegirl]

Well Foxy, who knows if it is happening a LOT?. Even a little is danged cheating and stealing in my book.

It is my experience here in The Villages after six years, that we have the best servers overall that I have ever encountered. If I were one of them, I would be already arrested because I would not have the patience to survive the attitude of many of the customers that they have to deal with, including some of my friends.

I see these folks as doing a job that requires a lot of careful listening and a lot of lip buttoning and extreme agility and leads to varicose veins and much teeth gritting.

I do NOT blame THEM, if the cook undercooked the fish or overcooked the hamburger. I see them working every day and try to remember what 20 percent figures up to be and if I can't do it right, I try to round it off to a little bit more.

They are working, the magic word to me, and they are putting up with people who were NOT all born and raised in Ohio and were NOT all taught to have good manners and patience and taught they were not superior to ANYONE.

I feel for your daughter RedWitch and if these notes continue, we will have to gather the girls posse once again, load up our super soakers, and hunt down these cheap critters.

[redwitch]

foxy, these were notes left in one week, in one restaurant to one server -- my daughter in TV. Some of her co-workers have gotten similar notes. It's not a majority but tips have definitely dropped since Darden started posted suggested tips.

Whether a server today gets a 30% or nothing tip, the tab is figured as if the server received an 18% tip for income tax purposes. Also, the 18% figure is used to determine how much the server OWES the hostess, the bus boy, the bar back, the bartender, basically everyone but the manager and the kitchen workers. So, more than once a server has had to pay out more than s/he has made that shift. If a customer stiffs the restaurant, the server is not allowed to stop the customer from leaving but is required to pay the drink or dinner tab in most restaurants. If a customer adds Crystal Light (or similar product) to a glass of water, the server has to pay for the "lemonade" that was not put on the tab. To say these practices are obscene is putting it mildly. To add mean-spirited, nasty notes on top of this is well beyond the pale to my mind.

[KARENNN]

What if a server put a note on the customer's plate "I only make $4 and hour, so I ate your food"

[Jaggy]

[B]If a customer adds Crystal Light (or similar product) to a glass of water, the server has to pay for the "lemonade" that was not put on the tab. To say these practices are obscene is putting it mildly. To add mean-spirited, nasty notes on top of this is well beyond the pale to my mind.

What?? Now Olive Garden has lemonade police ? How do they know if you put something in FREE water?? I would think the server is the only person to notice, so are you saying she pays out of her pocket?? Makes no sense.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If I'm not mistaken forcing the servers to pay for customers that skip out on their bill is illegal in most states. Your daughter and her co-workers should file a complaint.

[Peachie]

foxy, these were notes left in one week, in one restaurant to one server -- my daughter in TV. Some of her co-workers have gotten similar notes. It's not a majority but tips have definitely dropped since Darden started posted suggested tips.

Whether a server today gets a 30% or nothing tip, the tab is figured as if the server received an 18% tip for income tax purposes. Also, the 18% figure is used to determine how much the server OWES the hostess, the bus boy, the bar back, the bartender, basically everyone but the manager and the kitchen workers. So, more than once a server has had to pay out more than s/he has made that shift. If a customer stiffs the restaurant, the server is not allowed to stop the customer from leaving but is required to pay the drink or dinner tab in most restaurants. If a customer adds Crystal Light (or similar product) to a glass of water, the server has to pay for the "lemonade" that was not put on the tab. To say these practices are obscene is putting it mildly. To add mean-spirited, nasty notes on top of this is well beyond the pale to my mind.

Off topic, but about the Crystal Light thingy... If restaurants were sophisticated enough to provide a beverage on their menu, other than water, that was sugar-free, caffeine free and not alcohol, they may reduce a good number of Crystal Light sneaks. There are people out there unable to imbide, drink caffeine or lots of sugar, I'm one.

I don't bring Crystal Light to restaurants because of the "horrors" of this action known to mankind. But it's a long hour to hour and a half when out with friends as they enjoy their cocktail, beer or caffeinated soda during dinner or after golf and one can only sip ice water. Suggestions to restaurants to offer this selection appears to fall on deaf ears so I for one would happily pay for a quality sugar-free beverage if it were offered. Instead, I drink ice water. Why isn't that choice available? Okay, I've vented. :beer3: (BTW, fast food restaurants more readily provide the Crystal Light type beverages.)

[beachx4me]

If one has enough money and health to eat out at Olive Garden, and enough brains to write a coherent note, one is neither too poor nor too ill to leave a good server a good tip.

I certainly agree with this. This behavior is just ignorant. My daughter has been a server in the past also, the stories she has told are upsetting. They work so hard only to be slighted so many times. If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to leave an appropriate tip. If you can't you should keep your sorry self at home.

I mean really, who do you think you are getting over on?? The teenager who has to work to buy her/his own things, the single mom, the young man or woman putting themselves through school. Or the older woman/man whose income doesn't stretch far enough at the end of the month.

There is nothing worse, in my opinion, than a cheapskate. Makes you wonder if these are the people who also take all the sugar packets off the table and take them home????

Sorry, I just stepped off the soapbox. Just having seen my daughter so upset just sends me over the edge.

[nitehawk]

I just cant believe this is happening in TV

Darden is a national chain - not just tv.


I really don't care that darden is a national chain-----I said that I cannot believe this is happening in the village----

[nitehawk]

Off topic, but about the Crystal Light thingy... If restaurants were sophisticated enough to provide a beverage on their menu, other than water, that was sugar-free, caffeine free and not alcohol, they may reduce a good number of Crystal Light sneaks. There are people out there unable to imbide, drink caffeine or lots of sugar, I'm one.

I don't bring Crystal Light to restaurants because of the "horrors" of this action known to mankind. But it's a long hour to hour and a half when out with friends as they enjoy their cocktail, beer or caffeinated soda during dinner or after golf and one can only sip ice water. Suggestions to restaurants to offer this selection appears to fall on deaf ears so I for one would happily pay for a quality sugar-free beverage if it were offered. Instead, I drink ice water. Why isn't that choice available? Okay, I've vented. :beer3: (BTW, fast food restaurants more readily provide the Crystal Light type beverages.)

how about unsweetened iced tea.......99 percent of all the restaurants in the villages have unsweetened ice tea

[Peachie]

how about unsweetened iced tea.......99 percent of all the restaurants in the villages have unsweetened ice tea

Ice tea is a caffeinated beverage.

[TheVillageChicken]

I don't understand the Crystal Light thing. The server will gladly put a lemon wedge in your water. I assume that the wedge is meant to flavor the water vs serving as a garnish. I've been told that if you put the lemon slice between your thumb and index finger and squeeze, lemon juice will be forced out of the wedge and into the water. I conjecture that if one then adds a packet of sugar or sweetener, which is also provided by the restaurant, that one would have a glass of lemonade.

As for tipping, I usually over tip. If, however, the server has somehow concluded that charm and over bubbly personality are substitutes for good service, a different outcome will likely occur.

[redwitch]

Re the Crystal Light thing -- if the manager goes by a table and sees the colored water, the server pays for the drink if not on the ticket, at least they do at this OG.

I'm a Cokehead. Won't drink anything else. If you serve Pepsi, I'm not drinking it nor am I drinking water. I always have Coke with me -- think it's become my trademark. If I'm in a restaurant that doesn't serve Coke, I simply ask for a glass of ice, ask the server to charge me for a soda and pour my own Coke. The restaurant gets its money, I get my Coke. Has worked well so far.

Seems like Crystal Light folks or those who think it is okay to squeeze a lemon and add sugar so they don't have to pay for a beverage could do the same thing -- explain they can't/won't drink the beverages offered but will pay for a glass of water and add their own flavoring.

[dillywho]

These jerks have been around forever...just used different methodology. I once worked in a bar and a private club....bar during the day, club at night. I would often have the same customers at both places. They would tip very little (if at all) at the bar, and very generously at the club. Guess they didn't need to impress anyone at the bar.

Later, when I started bowling and traveling to tournaments, we had one gal that would not tip when we went out to eat. Another, who had been a waitress as well, and I would tip enough to cover hers. You can often tell who has and has not had to rely on tips at some point in their lives just by the way they do or don't tip.

[Peachie]

Seems like Crystal Light folks or those who think it is okay to squeeze a lemon and add sugar so they don't have to pay for a beverage could do the same thing -- explain they can't/won't drink the beverages offered but will pay for a glass of water and add their own flavoring.

Red, I respect your opinion but totally disagree. I want to be able to purchase my beverage at the restaurant. I don't want to have to mix my beverage in front of the group and then explain what I am doing waitress and instruct her how to charge it on my bill. I'm out to have fun, ya know!

:pepper2:

[justjim]

This is way off the OP'S subject but they do make decaf Tea but don't usually have it in restaurants here.

OP, it's a shame for customers to write notes as you described and then refuse to tip good service. Some of the customers were probably angered by the "tip suggestions" but instead of writing notes and punishing their Server they should speak to the Management. Like its been mentioned---they are cowards.

[Baileysmom]

I'm sure that's true. I just hope I don't become like that when I stop firing on all cylinders in my later years. LOL. Since living here we had no issues with the young servers and employees in resaurants, hotels or other venues and are very well mannered and polite.

If I am still here I will make very sure that you don't. ) We eat out much more living here then we did previously and it amazes me to see what servers have to put up with in general. They deserve to be treated as well as they treat their customers.

[gregntam]

And if one cannot afford to tip what is one doing "eating out" anyway????

Right on Cathy! If you can't afford the meal AND the tip, stay home and eat a ham sandwich!:agree:

[doran]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

It is terrible how some people can be so cheap!!!!!!Does any one realize that a waiter or waitress is paid just over $4.00 per hour Not the min. wage
This is due to the fact that they receive tips-- I know other countries outside the USA do not believe in tipping--The way I feel is you are in the USA so do as we do and do not leave the poor waiter without their tips--
You should be ashamed of yourself!

Susan

[Love2cruise]

I always tip 20%, but I have always wondered why restaurants don't pay their employees what every other service industry pays their employees so they can earn a decent living. Why does the consumer have to subsidize their income. Don't restaurants make a good profit?

[ilovetv]

I think it would be a huge mistake to eliminate tipping and pay only a higher than minimum hourly wage. Tipping is immediate and direct feedback a customer gives about the server's job performance. Tipping INCENTIVIZES the server to do more for the customer than just appear to take the order and slap down the drinks and food and then leave.....leaving the customer without cutlery when he just got a steak, without a drink refill, or having the steak be too raw and nobody comes back to correct things.

Tipping also allows the server to develop "regulars" who come back and ask for him/her, and that is a good chance for young servers to see how to grow a business, or kill one with laziness and doing only the bare minimum.

This work is one of the best ways to learn how free enterprise works and how commissioned sales can become a career for a person who is motivated....and courteous......and hustles to please the customer.

[Peachie]

I think it would be a huge mistake to eliminate tipping and pay only a higher than minimum hourly wage. Tipping is immediate and direct feedback a customer gives about the server's job performance. Tipping INCENTIVIZES the server to do more for the customer than just appear to take the order and slap down the drinks and food and then leave.....leaving the customer without cutlery when he just got a steak, without a drink refill, or having the steak be too raw and nobody comes back to correct things.

Tipping also allows the server to develop "regulars" who come back and ask for him/her, and that is a good chance for young servers to see how to grow a business, or kill one with laziness and doing only the bare minimum.

This work is one of the best ways to learn how free enterprise works and how commissioned sales can become a career for a person who is motivated....and courteous......and hustles to please the customer.

We would need then to apply that principle to every minimum or slightly above minimum wage earner. Those employees would only need to do a good job if they would reap a great tip, ie: sales assistants in stores, checkers at the grocery stores, yard people, babysitters and on and on goes the list.

These employees whose wages are tipped based, are having their job performance rated and graded by all different personality types in order to earn a decent wage and it is the strangest thing to me.

Pay the servers an appropriate wage and fire them if they don't do a good job, like every other employment. Why all the games for adequate compensation?

[justjim]

Ilovetv: Unfortunately, many people don't know the restaurant business and how the business operates. When I was a bit older and left home, my mother worked as a cook in a Popular Mom & Pop restaurant in my home town so I use to hear About some of the "inner workings" of the restaurant business. Interesting---but discussion perhaps for another Thread.

Suffice it to say that Servers and Cooks are some of the most unappreciated workers in our economy IMHO. I have little respect for someone who doesn't tip their Server according to the service they receive.

[Peachie]

Ilovetv: Unfortunately, many people don't know the restaurant business and how the business operates. When I was a bit older and left home, my mother worked as a cook in a Popular Mom & Pop restaurant in my home town so I use to hear About some of the "inner workings" of the restaurant business. Interesting---but discussion perhaps for another Thread.

Suffice it to say that Servers and Cooks are some of the most unappreciated workers in our economy IMHO. I have little respect for someone who doesn't tip their Server according to the service they receive.

And many of us have worked as servers and remember all the of the other duties we had in addition to serving which may have included a financial responsibility for broken or missing items from a service.

Even a good day with tips wouldn't be much if someone decided to lift a beer stein or two and and the servers were held responsible. Hopefully, that policy has been changed.

[mikeandnancy1112]

This is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard from tipping! What is wrong with people?

[jimbo2012]

First of all if you don't want to leave a tip I like the idea of "stay home & eat a ham sandwich"

Seriously tho, do you think the waiter knows if they receive 15, 20 or 25%, I don't think they do the math as they hand out the tabs.

they jam it in their pocket.

It's up to us to be fair, I also like to leave cash for the tip if using a CC.

Which leads me to another ? how do they keep trac of what they are owed on CC tips and when do they receive the money.

[ilovetv]

We would need then to apply that principle to every minimum or slightly above minimum wage earner. Those employees would only need to do a good job if they would reap a great tip, ie: sales assistants in stores, checkers at the grocery stores, yard people, babysitters and on and on goes the list.

These employees whose wages are tipped based, are having their job performance rated and graded by all different personality types in order to earn a decent wage and it is the strangest thing to me.

Pay the servers an appropriate wage and fire them if they don't do a good job, like every other employment. Why all the games for adequate compensation?

This is where dining at a restaurant is different from eating fast food in McDonalds or in the car at Wendy's parking lot.

At the fast food place, once the tray or paper sack of food is handed over the counter or out the drive-thru window, that employee is done with the customer. Not so in a dining establishment where constant interaction between server and customer is required, and the server must pay close attention to their orders pending at the bar and in the kitchen, and getting everything entered into the computer for accurate ordering and billing, while paying close, gracious attention to their customers......

This kind of service is largely a multi-tasking balancing act and an art, not a production-line process (a robotic arm could be used to open the window and hand the bagged McDonald's order out the drive thru window to the person in the car).

Restaurant servers are constantly interacting with and have to rely on:
- kitchen staff (moody, histrionic chefs, and the cooks who don't show up);
- bartenders who are busy schmoozing their bar patrons and are supposed to fill the server's orders too;
- busboys in their first job at age 16 who have never cleared dishes or cleaned a table at home before;
- hostesses who can load up your section suddenly with 6 tables full of demanding cheapskates with bratty, screaming kids, while the pet (suck-up) server gets the well-mannered singles and couples that are regulars that leave outstanding tips; and with
- the customers at his/her tables.

With all that going on, the server needs incentives to smile and stay courteous and gracious, and to keep the customer at the top of the list of whom to be patient and gracious with. Tipping is a good way to incentivize the server to put the customer first and keep the customer from having ANY idea of what kind of clamor is going on behind the scenes in the kitchen and outside the back door where smoke breaks are being taken by cooks while your customer has been waiting for their entree for 30 or 40 minutes.

Being a good server takes a huge skill set and exemplary people skills!

[Peachie]

This is where dining at a restaurant is different from eating fast food in McDonalds or in the car at Wendy's parking lot.

At the fast food place, once the tray or paper sack of food is handed over the counter or out the drive-thru window, that employee is done with the customer. Not so in a dining establishment where constant interaction between server and customer is required, and the server must pay close attention to their orders pending at the bar and in the kitchen, and getting everything entered into the computer for accurate ordering and billing, while paying close, gracious attention to their customers......

This kind of service is largely a multi-tasking balancing act and an art, not a production-line process (a robotic arm could be used to open the window and hand the bagged McDonald's order out the drive thru window to the person in the car).

Restaurant servers are constantly interacting with and have to rely on:
- kitchen staff (moody, histrionic chefs, and the cooks who don't show up);
- bartenders who are busy schmoozing their bar patrons and are supposed to fill the server's orders too;
- busboys in their first job at age 16 who have never cleared dishes or cleaned a table at home before;
- hostesses who can load up your section suddenly with 6 tables full of demanding cheapskates with bratty, screaming kids, while the pet (suck-up) server gets the well-mannered singles and couples that are regulars that leave outstanding tips; and with
- the customers at his/her tables.

With all that going on, the server needs incentives to smile and stay courteous and gracious, and to keep the customer at the top of the list of whom to be patient and gracious with. Tipping is a good way to incentivize the server to put the customer first and keep the customer from having ANY idea of what kind of clamor is going on behind the scenes in the kitchen and outside the back door where smoke breaks are being taken by cooks while your customer has been waiting for their entree for 30 or 40 minutes.

Being a good server takes a huge skill set and exemplary people skills!

Thus, pay a decent wage. Why subject these people to the whims of others and what they MAY receive in tips.

[Steve & Deanna]

We always tip for good service and a bigger tip (over 20%) for great service. I can remember twice that I left less than 10% due to horrible, horrible service t not in TV. My wife had advised me to leave nothing but I can't do that. Here's a thought....when we stay two nights plus in a hotel, we always tip the housekeeper. Now that can be a tough and unrewarding job for some.

[gomsiepop]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

This posting makes me feel sad to find out there are people who punish servers for their distasteful mentality. Hopefully, they are in the minority and don't frequent our restaurants too often. If they can't afford to add a fair gratuity to their bill they shouldn't be eating out.

[Carl in Tampa]

A granddaughter was working as a server in an upscale steak house in Austin, Texas, during her senior year in college. She came home with some real horror stories about undertipping. One of her associates served a group a dinner that came to over $200 and was left a $5.00 tip.

The granddaughter, who is attractive, intelligent and attentive generally does exceptionally well on tips.

Where she worked there was a practice of sharing a portion of the tip income with the busboys.

For years I have tipped 20 percent of the check (including tax), rounded up to the next dollar. Usually if the check includes a pre-determined 18 percent "suggested" tip I just let it go at that. Just lazy I guess.

If the service is not attentive I tip 20 percent on the meal cost (not including tax) and don't round the amount up.

If the service is actually substandard I lower the tip, perhaps down to ten percent. Always mindful that tips are the principal source of income for the server, I consider ten percent the floor for my tipping.

I don't foresee any change to the tipping practices in the food service industry in our country no matter how much some people resent it.

[janmcn]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.


If these customers have a political question or comment, they should be addressing these to their elected officials not to their server or restaurant.

[Pturner]

Political comments in lieu of a tip! Seriously. At last, have these people no shame?

[graciegirl]

Political comments in lieu of a tip! Seriously. At last, have these people no shame?

I wonder myself how people could do it? Do they truly NOT know that these hardworking people do not have a salary? Can they not place themselves in another persons shoes just for a minute? Have they stood on their feet for eight or nine hours until they ached?

Did no one in their family ever work as a server?

I don't know P. How can people be so unfeeling?

[Pturner]

I wonder myself how people could do it? Do they truly NOT know that these hardworking people do not have a salary? Can they not place themselves in another persons shoes just for a minute? Have they stood on their feet for eight or nine hours until they ached?

Did no one in their family ever work as a server?

I don't know P. How can people be so unfeeling?

Dunno, but it's kind of ironic, isn't it? The people who turn up their noses at "the little people" are the real little people. Maybe it's some kind of latent self-hatred. :shrug:

[mac9]

Some things should be inherent. When one buys a car, one then has to purchase insurance, gas, repairs, etc.

Eating out is the same principle. Tipping is the American way. If you feel that you can't afford the tip, then don't eat out. I personally tip about 25%, but will go higher for a good server. At most of our local restaurants, I have a favorite server and will ask for him/her. As Kathie I said previously, you are remembered and will always receive good service. We go to karoake @ Bonifay each Monday and always have the same server who immediately brings us our favorite beverage as soon as we walk in. Same for Cody's ,the Waterfront and City Fire. I enjoy a trouble-free meal and believe that the server should be rewarded accordingly.

[linko38]

As many of you know, my daughter is a server at Olive Garden. It seems that lately people have been leaving notes on checks rather than tipping (this started after OG started putting recommended tip amounts). Some of these comments have included, "Trevon Martin got no justice so you get no tip." "Thanks to Obama, I'm losing my Medicare so you get to lose your tip." "I only make 10% on my annuities so I'm not giving you 18%." and so on and so forth. I've never heard of such small-minded petty comments before.

I understand that some people don't believe in tipping and, I guess, that's up to them but to blame a server for the politics of a state or the general economy is just plain mean.

I know what you mean my daughter is a server at Magnolia Oyster bar. She shucks buckets of oysters and gets 50 cent tip. I always tip over 20% to make up for all the cheapskates who dont. Servers get paid 3 to 4 $ an hour. They work real hard. Please tip your servers! No more notes too! That is just rude and you are punishing a hard working person.:rant-rave::rant-rave:

[blueash]

Redwitch has brought up an interesting topic. I would like to see any documentation that the IRS assumes an 18% tip. Everything I have ever read gives a much lower number. IRS publication for 2013 gives an 8% tip rate as acceptable before any additional allocation is added to the servers' reported tips and even allows it to be as low as 2% with documentation to the IRS.

"You must allocate tips among employees who receive them if the total tips reported to you during any payroll period are less than 8% (or the approved lower rate) of this
establishment's gross receipts for that period.
Generally, the amount allocated is the difference between the total tips reported by employees and 8% (or the lower rate) of the gross receipts, other than nonallocable receipts.
Lower rate. You (or a majority of the employees) may request a lower rate (but not lower than 2%) by submitting a petition to:
Internal Revenue Service
National Tip Reporting Compliance"

It is also illegal for a restaurant to take the cost of a dine and dash from the server's pay. This is federal law so local rules wouldn't apply

After A Dine-And-Dash, Is It Legal For A Restaurant To Take Money From A Waiter’s Tips? (http://consumerist.com/2013/04/02/after-a-dine-and-dash-is-it-legal-for-a-restaurant-to-take-money-from-a-waiters-tips/)

And Gracie, just for you.. a story about dine and dash happening too often in OHIO

Saddling Servers With Customers' Unpaid Tabs Is Illegal by Connie Schultz on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent (http://www.creators.com/opinion/connie-schultz/saddling-servers-with-customers-unpaid-tabs-is-illegal.html)

I can't comment on other practices like crystal lite, or broken glasses although this information from the Department of Labor suggests that for minimum wage workers no such deduction would be legal
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs16.pdf

And a blog by a Florida lawyer on restaurant employee law
Florida Restaurant Law: Walkouts – Who Is Responsible For Paying The Check? (http://floridarestaurantlaw.blogspot.com/2010/09/walkouts-who-is-responsible-for-paying.html)

Of course what is legal or ethical versus the real world of working as a server might be different. This is a fire at will state with minimal employee protections. So while it may be illegal to "ask" the server to pay, the restaurant could legally fire you for no reason required at any time. I would love to know which local restaurants force their servers to pay for the dine and ditch fiends or for broken plates etc. It would likely alter my dining choices. Just as retail stores calculate the additional cost of shoplifters and breakage into their charges so I believe would a restaurant in their initial meal pricing.

[ilovetv]

I'm all for servers being tipped fairly because I did it for years. I don't doubt the servers here have received some nasty notes, but especially when "Treyvon justice" is mentioned, I think it is a Hot Button that sparks an absolute foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy much larger than the incidents that have actually occurred with that particular message.

Until there is documented proof of this happening numerous times, I don't think we should assume it is the norm.

I do believe some cranky old f*rts would resent their retirement funds dwindling in comparison to what they THINK a server earns, looking at the total price of a meal once they've bought drinks, appetizers, entrees, and desserts.

[John_W]

I was on the Kansas City Chiefs message board and they were discussing tipping and I found this story.

A server at a Carrabba's Italian Grill in Kansas was shocked to find a note left behind by a pair customers praising him for his excellent service, but denying him a tip due to his "homosexual lifestyle."

The unidentified 20-year-old, who works as a waiter at the casual dining chain's Overland Park location, had returned to his section after the couple exited the restaurant to find the note scribbled on the back of the check.

Thank you for your service, it was excellent. That being said, we cannot in good conscience tip you, for your homosexual lifestyle is an affront to GOD. Queers do not share in the wealth of GOD, and you will not share in ours. We hope you will see the tip your fag choices made you lose out on, and plan accordingly. It is never too late for GOD'S love, but none shall be spared for fags. May GOD have mercy on you.

The server's mom, who happens to be a hostess at the same restaurant, told the paper the customers were lucky she didn't see the note first or "the claws" would have come out.

After word began to spread on the social web about the incident, many residents started coming in to express their support for the victim.

"This does not represent Christianity. I called them Pharisees," Dr. Marvin Baker, a local pastor, told KCTV. "God really loves us. And God does not advertise or promote hate. That is not love."

In a statement, Carrabba's said it opposes discrimination and believes "in treating everyone with respect."

Though he has refused to be identified or speak directly to the press, the server did release a statement of his own, saying "The offers to help pay me back are much appreciated, but not at all needed. I'd prefer to let my work ethic and my service do the talking, nothing else."

Customers Praise Server's Excellent Service, But Refuse to Tip a 'Fag' (http://gawker.com/customers-praise-servers-excellent-service-but-refuse-1452112737)

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[liere]

A friend of mine's daughter is a server in the Villages and she came home the other night and showed us her tip from a table of 7. It was a pamphlet on the ways to get to heaven. She said while she was serving the customers, they were very friendly and appreciative of her since they kept changing their orders. She was shocked when she got the "tip"....we told her it is unfortunate for sure and in the restaurant business you will meet all types..some good, some not so good, and some just downright rude.

[Gabbi1393]

My husband always "over tips" He believes that waiter/waitress work hard for a small wage and count on their tips for their yearly income. After reading this I will encourage him to continue to do so and hopefully it will make up for the ignorance of others. How sad for these hard working servers.

[Bill-n-Brillo]

To redwitch's original post: I can understand some people being bothered by restaurants putting suggest tip amounts on the bill. It kinda bugs me a little - almost feels like the restaurant's telling me what to do. No matter - we always tip at or above what would be considered the generally acceptable ranges based on the service provided. But if someone who's bothered by the "suggested amount printing on the bill" practice, they should voice their concerns to management and not take it up with the server. Maybe those kinds of folks are just looking in the wrong place to vent their frustration............or they're just using it as a convenient way to stiff the server.

However, on another note............and trying to interject a touch of humor here - - - - :D - - - - If I can tell that a server has got a good sense of humor, here's something I'll pull out of the hat at times: When they hand us the bill, I'll point to the total and ask the server what 2% of that amount is. I'll tell them I need some help figuring up their tip. :shocked: The reactions I get are pretty funny, all the way from "I'm not real good with math - let me get a calculator" (and they're drop-dead serious!) to those who try to figure it up in their head to those who just break out laughing hysterically.............to the really sharp ones who quickly toss back a big number like $20 or something. Always trying to keep people on their toes!!! :wave: Never had anybody even be the least bit offended.

I feel for people who are in such a profession - I couldn't do it.........I'd be chasing the cheapskates out in the parking lot!!! :1rotfl:

Bill :)

[marianne237]

DH has always been a good tipper. Both of us reason that the wait person is there working trying to make a living. Their job is hard and frustrating...why should we make it any harder? Life is too short not to be appreciative of the small things.

[Bavarian]

The restaurants have to put on suggested tip amounts because of foreign visitors who do not understand need for tipping. In many countries tip is included.

[boomerbaby]

I find it so disgusting that they would not tip their server because he was gay. They had no problem with him serving them their meals. The server is a much better person.

[elainecohen]

all the service people I have encountered in my admittedly short time here, have been so upbeat and pleasant. They are so accommodating to using coupons with separate checks, etc. I can't understand how someone would react so poorly to such good treatment.

That is horrible behavior and inexcusable. Servers depend on tips and work hard for them. They deserve an appropriate tip, not an excuse. Some folks are just plain cheap.

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=boomerbaby;769116]I find it so disgusting that they would not tip their server because he was gay. They had no problem with him serving them their meals. The server is a much better person.[/QUOTE

I agree. If the patrons so despised the fact that the server is gay, why accept his service? And how did they know he is gay? If they knew in advance that he was gay and had such an objection, why did they accept service from him? They could have moved to another server's area or left. And what's up with the use of the word fag vis-a-vis their almighty, self-righteous Godspeak? The whole leave-a-note thing was very passive-aggressive. Obviously didn't have the nerve to speak up initially. Cowards!

This really argues for the US restaurants adopting the European standard of adding the tip to the bill. It weeds out the morons. More often than not, you get good service, and the tip is deserved.

[Vernster]

If one has enough money and health to eat out at Olive Garden, and enough brains to write a coherent note, one is neither too poor nor too ill to leave a good server a good tip.

Well stated and true. I agree.

[kittygilchrist]

To redwitch's original post: I can understand some people being bothered by restaurants putting suggest tip amounts on the bill. It kinda bugs me a little - almost feels like the restaurant's telling me what to do. No matter - we always tip at or above what would be considered the generally acceptable ranges based on the service provided. But if someone who's bothered by the "suggested amount printing on the bill" practice, they should voice their concerns to management and not take it up with the server. Maybe those kinds of folks are just looking in the wrong place to vent their frustration............or they're just using it as a convenient way to stiff the server.

However, on another note............and trying to interject a touch of humor here - - - - :D - - - - If I can tell that a server has got a good sense of humor, here's something I'll pull out of the hat at times: When they hand us the bill, I'll point to the total and ask the server what 2% of that amount is. I'll tell them I need some help figuring up their tip. :shocked: The reactions I get are pretty funny, all the way from "I'm not real good with math - let me get a calculator" (and they're drop-dead serious!) to those who try to figure it up in their head to those who just break out laughing hysterically.............to the really sharp ones who quickly toss back a big number like $20 or something. Always trying to keep people on their toes!!! :wave: Never had anybody even be the least bit offended.

I feel for people who are in such a profession - I couldn't do it.........I'd be chasing the cheapskates out in the parking lot!!! :1rotfl:

Bill :)

Maybe you make it clear by your tone and expression that you are joking around. I'll bet you do it nicely like that, just as you did here with emoticons...that's why no one felt jerked around...except a few.

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=boomerbaby;769116]I find it so disgusting that they would not tip their server because he was gay. They had no problem with him serving them their meals. The server is a much better person.[/QUOTE

I agree. If the patrons so despised the fact that the server is gay, why accept his service? And how did they know he is gay? If they knew in advance that he was gay and had such an objection, why did they accept service from him? They could have moved to another server's area or left. And what's up with the use of the word fag vis-a-vis their almighty, self-righteous Godspeak? The whole leave-a-note thing was very passive-aggressive. Obviously didn't have the nerve to speak up initially. Cowards!

This really argues for the US restaurants adopting the European standard of adding the tip to the bill. It weeds out the morons. More often than not, you get good service, and the tip is deserved.

Being so unkind and so cheap and so MEAN is not what I understand being a Christian is supposed to be.

Sometimes I think that we're done and we might as well be dead...

But...I'm stuck like a dope with a thing called hope and I can't get it out of my head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0DusO6ipLw

Note.

Girls, SGP Special meeting in Olive Garden Parking lot today at one. Bring your big ones.

[mulligan]

Yo G, aren't those big ones usually permanently attached ??

[graciegirl]

Yo G, aren't those big ones usually permanently attached ??

OH.:1rotfl:

[rockyisle]

We watched a group of 8 people at the bar of Cane Garden the other night leave NO tip to the bartender after ordering a series of drinks, then changing their minds, then ordering again. We commented to him about the snub. He said you haven't seen anything yet. As for the fools who write notes to their servers, there day is coming. Karma is on the way....

[CFrance]

There is a movement going on at drive-thrus of some fast food restaurants where you place your order at one window and drive to the next to pay. People are paying for the car behind them who just placed their order. it's been on the news. They dubbed it "paying it backward."

Just thought I'd inject a little positive news that points out the difference between these people and the mean-spirited customers at OG.

But I'll still get out the squirt gun, Gracie.:MOJE_whot:

[TheVillageChicken]

I bet the gal writes notes on her check too.

Lady to hand out letters instead of candy to fat trick or treaters (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/30/obese-halloween-letter/3312537/)

[sonny1g]

Servers, waitress or whatever the politically correct term these days...these people work very hard at their jobs, for less then min. wage pay and rely on their tips to subsidize their incomes. I put myself through college years ago waiting tables. At the time a 15% tip was great and 20% fantastic. Leaving notes on your guest tab is simply rude. I think the note leavers ought to try a few shifts out on the floor. Maybe their attitudes would be different. It's a hard job with tons of opening and closing sidework on top of waiting your tables. I have total respect for those who wait tables...it ain't easy folks.

[casita37]

To the poster regarding non-caffeine, non-sugar drinks....sorry, I forgot who it was...the best solution is club soda. Put a twist of lime or lemon, and it's just like having a cocktail (well...sorta), refershing, bubbly, and has some taste. Depending on your sugar tolerance, you can even ask for a splash of juice, just a teaspoon, or so. That will really perk it up.

I gave up caffeine and artificial sweetners a while back, and club soda, and seltzer, have saved me from my Diet Coke withdrawals...lol.

[Country Dreamer]

Restaurant waitstaff need tips just to make minimum wage. Your restaurant bill is lower because your server is paid less than what anyone should be paid to make even a minimal living. Anyone who feels they cannot "afford" to add 18% to their restaurant bill should stay home and doing the cooking, serving and clean-up themselves.

I always tip at least 20%, never less than $5, no matter how small the bill. Can you imagine deciding when checking out at a grocery store that even though your bill is $100 you are only going to pay $82? That is exactly what you re doing if you decide to not leave a tip.

Finally, i would like to offer my gratitude to all the wonderful waitstaff at the restaurants around The Villages. I am always amazed at how you can do your jobs with such a great attitude, smiles and pleasantries knowing that your customer may not reciprocate since leaving a tip continues to be an option and not a requirement.

[graciegirl]

Please. NOT only tip well but THANK your servers. I have YET to get a subpar person bringing me food jere in this place. My very favorite as a group are the ones at Bob Evans. Most of them are well, quite grown up and certainly old enough to live here.

We live close to Bob Evans and it is a favorite place to grab a bite on a busy day. They are always welcoming and very pleasant. The food is simple and tastes like home. They employ a LOT of seniors there.

[784caroline]

I have read all these comments and the entire issue is mind-boggling. First of all, let me say that in America it is the custom to "tip" but what one tips is entirely "PERSONAL". Not everyone agrees that 15, 18 or 20% or more is the accepted norm. Not everyone belives like you or I and that ranges from our beliefs in politics, religion, sex and "tipping". Is some one who only gets sex XX times a month/year short changed??? Or was that only X times! Now that would be a topic of discussion!!

Comments such as I tip 20% but a minimun of $5...So what,..I heard someone say I tip 30% and a minimum of $10??? Is this for real or BS, or are you trying to make someone feel bad or are you boasting your ego?? A person tips what they can afford or believes is right, and to critize someone for doing otherwise I think is wrong. The system we have grown up in is the real fault but I cant say its wrong..its what we know. Service workers work hard and should be paid an acceptable wage.

We are comming into the season where this issue will or I should say "may" apply to others. There is no right or wrong answer...just follow your instincts and do what YOU think is right.

[gamby]

If I was a server and you left me a note instead of a tip you better check your soup next time you come here, You just might find a dead mouse in it , or maybe just a roach. your drink taste a little funny?

[cookie4re]

iT'S SO SAD THAT OUR SOCIETY IS GETTING SO PETTY . IF YOU ARE SO CHEAP THAT YOU DONT WANT TO BLESS SOMEONE OR CANT AFFORD BEST KEEP YOUR OPINION TO YOURSELF.WHY INSULT ON TOP OF INJURY.