Crazy - Road Rage incident in The Villages

[jbdlfan]

Article in the Sun today about a road rage incident down by Colony. Nutcase goes after a guy and his mother because he took to long to negotiate a turn! Are you kidding me???? Went after them with a baton and busted out a window. What in the world is going on??????
Makes you pause and wonder about people around you....

[NECHFalcon68]

Article in the Sun today about a road rage incident down by Colony. Nutcase goes after a guy and his mother because he took to long to negotiate a turn! Are you kidding me???? Went after them with a baton and busted out a window. What in the world is going on??????
Makes you pause and wonder about people around you....

The bubble has been compromised....

[aln]

I couldn't agree more!

Lighten up people - it's a retirement community and I for one am not in a hurry to get anywhere - especially the grave.

[Villageshooter]

the real world is here,, they have landed,,, how sad,,, that viagria will make a guy do weird things

[Chazz]

Thankfully, nothing worse happened. Any object that is capable of breaking out car windows can, also, be capable of causing grievous bodily injury, or even death.

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if the event wasn't triggered exclusively by the speed of the turn onto Morse. That could have been the straw that broke the camel's back. It may have something to do with the 20mph speed limit on Colony, and that the victim may have actually complied with the law, which infuriated the alleged perpetrator. Purely speculative on my part, though.

[DonH57]

Thankfully, nothing worse happened. Any object that is capable of breaking out car windows can, also, be capable of causing grievous bodily injury, or even death.

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if the event wasn't triggered exclusively by the speed of the turn onto Morse. That could have been the straw that broke the camel's back. It may have something to do with the 20mph speed limit on Colony, and that the victim may have actually complied with the law, which infuriated the alleged perpetrator. Purely speculative on my part, though.

Could be. People here really get aggitated when you are doing the speed limit. I've ticked off quite a few doing the 10 mph across the brige on Paige Place by the Rec center and pool. Cars pass and blow their horn and a few extended middle fingers. I just look and smile. It would be my luck to go faster there and that's when the radar would be out. Never seen LE yet there.

[LABSX2]

Article in the Sun today about a road rage incident down by Colony. Nutcase goes after a guy and his mother because he took to long to negotiate a turn! Are you kidding me???? Went after them with a baton and busted out a window. What in the world is going on??????
Makes you pause and wonder about people around you....

Was the attacker from TV or an "Outsider"?

[Jaggy]

Thankfully, nothing worse happened. Any object that is capable of breaking out car windows can, also, be capable of causing grievous bodily injury, or even death.

On another note, I wouldn't be surprised if the event wasn't triggered exclusively by the speed of the turn onto Morse. That could have been the straw that broke the camel's back. It may have something to do with the 20mph speed limit on Colony, and that the victim may have actually complied with the law, which infuriated the alleged perpetrator. Purely speculative on my part, though.

Even if it was triggered by the low speed limit.. that does not give someone the right to do what was reported.. You never know who is behind you or in front of you when you are driving - or for that matter beside you.. Strange world we live in and it is intruding into the "bubble".. which is surprising.. how can you be angry living in paradise?

[Chazz]

Was the attacker from TV or an "Outsider"?

According to the Daily Sun, he lives in the village of Hadley.

[janmcn]

Was the attacker from TV or an "Outsider"?


The Villages on-line news identified the perpetrator as Thomas Regina, 63, a resident of the Village of Hadley. Regina posted bond and was released from the Sumter County jail after being questioned.

[Parker]

Hubby read in the paper that the perpetrator also reached into the passenger side window and hit the 68 year-old mother of the driver. There's more going on with this guy than just road rage.

[Chazz]

Even if it was triggered by the low speed limit.. that does not give someone the right to do what was reported.. You never know who is behind you or in front of you when you are driving - or for that matter beside you.. Strange world we live in and it is intruding into the "bubble".. which is surprising.. how can you be angry living in paradise?

I agree, wholeheartedly! The nature of people does not change with the venue they live in...they bring that with them. We are fortunate here, that there doesn't seem to be very many people whose nature leads them to anti social behavior, such as was described in today's Daily Sun.

[sweetie]

Article in the Sun today about a road rage incident down by Colony. Nutcase goes after a guy and his mother because he took to long to negotiate a turn! Are you kidding me???? Went after them with a baton and busted out a window. What in the world is going on??????
Makes you pause and wonder about people around you....

Wow! I've only been here a short time and didn't think stuff like this happened in TV. How often do things like this happen here?

[rubicon]

I am surprised that people who live in TV are surprised that criminal activity occurs here. I mean some folks may believe they live in a bubble but they may consider that the DOME may be a fun show on TV but is feasible. Secondly that even if you could physically place a DOME over the TV you can't change the nature of people.

One poster described the attacker as a nut case. While I find this person's actions despicable I would not define this person so narrowly but rather wonder what happened prior to this event to cause this person to react so violently. I also would have never pulled over to the side of the road as did the people attacked.

[kittygilchrist]

Wow! I've only been here a short time and didn't think stuff like this happened in TV. How often do things like this happen here?

Seldom enough that it makes a buzz that goes on and on. We are in shock and dismay and discuss it here for days. We cannot believe it. We insist that someone to put an end to it. And then we forget about it and go on as usual.

[dillywho]

This article just goes to show that the Daily Sun is just not all feel-good fluff stuff.

It's great to read the good stuff; such a welcome change from the television sources of "news". Lets you know that life is still worth living.

We still have to live in a real world, though. We can all enjoy our lives and still remain vigilant. "Stuff", good and bad, does happen. Hope that guy gets some help.

[Bogie Shooter]

Wow! I've only been here a short time and didn't think stuff like this happened in TV. How often do things like this happen here?

Seldom.

[Bogie Shooter]

I am surprised that people who live in TV are surprised that criminal activity occurs here. I mean some folks may believe they live in a bubble but they may consider that the DOME may be a fun show on TV but is feasible. Secondly that even if you could physically place a DOME over the TV you can't change the nature of people.

One poster described the attacker as a nut case. While I find this person's actions despicable I would not define this person so narrowly but rather wonder what happened prior to this event to cause this person to react so violently. I also would have never pulled over to the side of the road as did the people attacked.
Twenty years of alcohol and drugs?

[Bogie Shooter]

Seldom enough that it makes a buzz that goes on and on. We are in shock and dismay and discuss it here for days. We cannot believe it. We insist that someone to put an end to it. And then we forget about it and go on as usual.

Its the developer's fault for not doing background checks before selling a property.

[Peachie]

Its the developer's fault for not doing background checks before selling a property.

:a20: That was funny.


Takes a real man to stand up and take a poke at a woman, eh? :loco: I think the saliva test may be important for this person.

[justjim]

Could be the same person that wrote "ugly" notes on the guest checks at Olive Garden and left no tip as reported on another Thread yesterday.

What makes this incident very dangerous is that this guy could pull this on someone who is "carrying" and this type of incident would escalate into a self defense shooting.

[graciegirl]

This is violence pure and simple and this person HAS to be a menace to his housemate and to his neighbors. Wow.

Thomas Regina. I am going to look up where he lives.


According to Sumterpa.com they moved into that house just LAST month.

[capecodbob]

Every bad behavior incident has a story.
I can imagine he was bullied as a child or abused.
Didn't take his meds or has a drug or alcohol abuse problem.

So, it's really not his fault. You don't have to take responsibility for your own
actions anymore. Pick one of the above (or something like that) and THAT'S what made him do it.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Seldom enough that it makes a buzz that goes on and on. We are in shock and dismay and discuss it here for days. We cannot believe it. We insist that someone to put an end to it. And then we forget about it and go on as usual.

Exactly. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the world here. If a violent crime were to occur here it would be all over the media. People would be taking about it for weeks. When that same crime occurs in Detroit, they call it another Saturday night.
The fact that there is so much buzz about this shows that we live in a very safe community. I'm not naive and think that crimes don't happen here, but we are much safer here than in almost any community in this country. Especially communities of over 100,000 people.

[Matt and Gail]

:loco:The bubble has been compromised.... Next someone will tell me not to drive my Smart car through the tunnels anymore....... Remember you can't fix stupid!

[Patty55]

If the mother was 68 how old was the driver? Where were they from?

IMO, someone carrying a baton is planning on using it.

[scarecrow1]

He's lucky the other person didn't have a gun and feared for his or hers life if you know what I mean.

[graciegirl]

I would just like to go and beat HIM up.

Remember reading when a long time ago people were ridden out of town on a rail?

I don't know what that means, but it should be looked into.

I bet his neighbors are very low right now. He just moved in LAST MONTH.

[jbdlfan]

Exactly. We have one of the lowest crime rates in the world here. If a violent crime were to occur here it would be all over the media. People would be taking about it for weeks. When that same crime occurs in Detroit, they call it another Saturday night.
The fact that there is so much buzz about this shows that we live in a very safe community. I'm not naive and think that crimes don't happen here, but we are much safer here than in almost any community in this country. Especially communities of over 100,000 people.

This was a violent crime! The guy got out with a baton and attacked two people. I realize it isn't like shooting someone, but this is a serious incident. I give kudos to the Sun for reporting it. Sure it's isolated, but don't think it can't or won't happen again.
Now I don't think the sky is falling but I do believe every aspect of our society is getting more violent by the day. JMHO.

[janmcn]

According to The Villages on-line news, Thomas Regina, 63, of Hadley was charged with battery, burglary with battery and battery on a person 65 or older. He was released from the Sumter County jail on bond.

His photo is now posted.

[Tweety Bird]

I would just like to go and beat HIM up.

Remember reading when a long time ago people were ridden out of town on a rail?

I don't know what that means, but it should be looked into.

I bet his neighbors are very low right now. He just moved in LAST MONTH.

Well,let's just say, I wouldn't invite him to the archery club!!! :loco:

[YodaDad]

Maybe we can have the Village Twirlers tap him a few times with their BATONS. Sunday afternoon 2:00 pm at Lake Sumter Landing Stage would be a good time. And of course the bar huts will open 1 hour before the event.

[Tweety Bird]

Every bad behavior incident has a story.
I can imagine he was bullied as a child or abused.
Didn't take his meds or has a drug or alcohol abuse problem.

So, it's really not his fault. You don't have to take responsibility for your own
actions anymore. Pick one of the above (or something like that) and THAT'S what made him do it.

Let's hope he doesn't join the singles club! :pray:

[jblum315]

I'm glad he didn't have a gun

[graciegirl]

Well,let's just say, I wouldn't invite him to the archery club!!! :loco:


Good one, Tweets.:wave::a20:

[Pepperhead]

I bet he is a joy to play golf with.

[Taltarzac725]

If you find yourself stating to boil-- What Causes Road Rage? (http://source.southuniversity.edu/what-causes-road-rage-33045.aspx)

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/accidents-hazardous-conditions/road-rage.htm

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/outreach/dsweek/rage.htm


http://www.drivers.com/topic/31/

http://www.drivers.com/article/165/

I have probably seen some example of road rage that does not result in violence once a year or so while driving in the Villages. Never seen anything personally that resulted in violence of any kind here in the Villages. I expect all of the ones that have involved getting the police involved have been reported in The Villages Daily Sun.

[rayschic]

Let's hope he doesn't join the singles club! :pray:

According to the Sumter County website....he's married.

[cynkr67]

According to the Sumter County website....he's married.

Feeling sorry for his poor wife!:pray:

[Golfingnut]

If what has been stated is true, the man should be institutionalized for evaluation.

[Barefoot]

If what has been stated is true, the man should be institutionalized for evaluation. Absolutely, it's a distressing lack of impulse control. His mental health needs to be evaluated if the charges are true.

[Golf View]

If the mother was 68 how old was the driver? Where were they from?

IMO, someone carrying a baton is planning on using it.

Does it matter?

[Patty55]

Does it matter?

Yes.

[ilovetv]

Why would anyone think that in TV they're insulated from people with mental disorders.....

[Patty55]

Why would anyone think that in TV they're insulated from people with mental disorders.....

:a20:I would say quite the opposite is true. I see a lot of people exhibiting an adjustment disorder.

[Jaggy]

:a20:I would say quite the opposite is true. I see a lot of people exhibiting an adjustment disorder.

HEY !! I am proud of my adjustment, specially my mental one !! :loco:

[BobnBev]

alleged perpetrator----really-----really?????

[Chazz]

I'm glad he didn't have a gun

Although it may not seem intuitive, depending on the type and how it is used, a baton can be even more lethal than some guns. Just imagine someone bludgeoned to pieces with an iron pipe designed to maximize devastation. Not pretty.

[Indydealmaker]

Could be the same person that wrote "ugly" notes on the guest checks at Olive Garden and left no tip as reported on another Thread yesterday.

What makes this incident very dangerous is that this guy could pull this on someone who is "carrying" and this type of incident would escalate into a self defense shooting.

Better than even odds that just showing a weapon would be sobering. Never take a baton to a gun fight, unless you are a seal.

[Jaggy]

Better than even odds that just showing a weapon would be sobering. Never take a baton to a gun fight, unless you are a seal.

Or a Majorette in a short skirt.

[perrjojo]

Although it may not seem intuitive, depending on the type and how it is used, a baton can be even more lethal than some guns. Just imagine someone bludgeoned to pieces with an iron pipe designed to maximize devastation. Not pretty.

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

[Bizdoc]

While I am not usually the one to suggest tolerance (as the folks who dumped on me for suggesting low IQ on the part of a certain car driver on the multimodal path), I would like to point out something important.

One of the things which happens in Alzheimer's (and some other dementias) is the folks often retreat from rational to lizard (primitive) brain. They become much more easily angered and much more likely to physically strike out. And in this wonderful paradise of ours lurk a lot of folks who either have or will have dementia.

Had an interesting chat summer of 2012 with a psychiatrist who treated patients in nursing homes. He related seeing a growing number of veterans (usually WWII or Korea) who developed dementia and reacted violently to various triggers (like loud noises).

Hopefully all of us fine folks on TOTV won't be cursed with acting out when we lose our marbles.

[justjim]

Bizdoc: I hear what you are saying as long as the person is still held responsible for their acts of violence. "it's not my fault because ....... Doesn't "cut it" in my world.

[patfla06]

Feel sorry for his wife and wouldn't want to be his neighbor!

[senior citizen]

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

Great minds think alike. I was wondering the same thing earlier.
What was he doing with a baton? My husband thought perhaps it was just a metal rod?? which the reporter called a baton??

[senior citizen]

While I am not usually the one to suggest tolerance (as the folks who dumped on me for suggesting low IQ on the part of a certain car driver on the multimodal path), I would like to point out something important.

One of the things which happens in Alzheimer's (and some other dementias) is the folks often retreat from rational to lizard (primitive) brain. They become much more easily angered and much more likely to physically strike out. And in this wonderful paradise of ours lurk a lot of folks who either have or will have dementia.

Had an interesting chat summer of 2012 with a psychiatrist who treated patients in nursing homes. He related seeing a growing number of veterans (usually WWII or Korea) who developed dementia and reacted violently to various triggers (like loud noises).

Hopefully all of us fine folks on TOTV won't be cursed with acting out when we lose our marbles.

You are so right on target with your description of the changing moods and personality of one with dementia or Alzheimers. Not all, but many become belligerent. I've mentioned this in the past when others have spoken of rudeness in restaurants. A little understanding would explain the change in behavior.

Some with dementia have a total personality change. The meek become arrogant and argumentative.........while the former naturally assertive types might now become meek and docile. One never knows.

Often there is a distinct and noticeable personality change.
Great patience and tolerance is necessary to deal with this.
Not condoning his "acting out" and injuring others, their vehicle, etc.
But irrational behavior like that is NOT normal. Belligerence and picking on family members is NOT normal. Striking out at perfect strangers is totally NOT normal.

Also, maybe he was coming off of some drug? Even nicotine reduction might cause erratic behavior. Sad, but true, that our society nowadays has so many on every type of psychotropic drug out there, plus prescription meds that often have strange side effects......even in normal folks.

[Chazz]

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

Good question! Don't know for sure, but the fact that it was capable of breaking out car windows suggests that it was something more potent than a twirlers' baton.

[e-flyer]

Good thing his victim wasn't carrying a gun, it could have been a very different ending for the attacker. Millions in Florida have concealed carry permits, including folks here in TV. I would think twice before confronting/attacking someone. Best to call 911 if you have a legitimate problem.

[Villageshooter]

i am wondering ,,,, this man has been accused of a crime ,, he is innocent until proven guilty!! while i admit it looks bad however if this defendant was a danger he wuld not have been released! let the system do its job! just think what ur doing to this man! before he has his day in court. he has NOT been found guilty, yet! i am No way condonig this behavior. just because you arrested does not mean u are guilty!

[Happinow]

He obviously did something wrong because he was arrested. I can't imagine how scared the people were in the car that he attacked. He is already guilty. It's just a matter of how much time he spends behind bars. If I were the victim, I would certainly press charges. There's no excuse for this type of behavior. And yes, let the justice system do its job.

[mac9]

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

The stick that police carry (often called a billy club) is a baton.

[DougB]

the real world is here,, they have landed,,, how sad,,, that viagria will make a guy do weird things

Tried Viagra once, it got caught in my throat. I've had a stiff neck ever since!

[Carl in Tampa]

i am wondering ,,,, this man has been accused of a crime ,, he is innocent until proven guilty!! while i admit it looks bad however if this defendant was a danger he wuld not have been released! let the system do its job! just think what ur doing to this man! before he has his day in court. he has NOT been found guilty, yet! i am No way condonig this behavior. just because you arrested does not mean u are guilty!

Don't confuse the presumption of innocence in a court of law with actually knowing that an assault occurred based upon eyewitness accounts.

And don't think that someone can be refused bail from jail just because they are potentially dangerous.

e-flyer makes a good point: "Good thing his victim wasn't carrying a gun, it could have been a very different ending for the attacker. Millions in Florida have concealed carry permits, including folks here in TV. I would think twice before confronting/attacking someone. Best to call 911 if you have a legitimate problem."

I never respond to angry drivers who yell or gesture because they might be mentally unbalanced, armed, or both. Although I might prevail in a subsequent confrontation, it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

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Never pick a fight with an old guy. He knows he can't whip you so he has to shoot you.

:boom:

[TheVillageChicken]

In his mugshot, the accused's right eye looks like it didn't all go his way. I know, I know....there are plenty of explanations for the black eye. Who hasn't bumped into a door knob, or had to interrupt putting on their make up to vent some rage.


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[Indydealmaker]

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

One type of baton is a telescoping steel rod with a rubber handle on one end and a hard rubber or metal tip on the other. A flick of the wrist will extend the baton to its full length, usually less than 24 inches. This thing can do some damage if you know how to use: break a knee, nose; crush a windpipe; crack a skull; strangle, etc.

Florida considers a baton to be a weapon and if concealed requires a concealed weapons permit. It can be carried in your car for self defense without a permit. It does not have to be kept locked up and can be kept at ready.

[graciegirl]

Just two of you know how to get pictures to look THAT big on this forum, Chicken.

[TheVillageChicken]

Just two of you know how to get pictures to look THAT big on this forum, Chicken.

Please, use my first name, "The."

[graciegirl]

Please, use my first name, "The."

The Chicken who writes ads and posts big pictures..

[kittygilchrist]

I wanted to have Publix rage today. mea culpa. no sympathy for the attacker in this story but it's me venting here to say a lot of people are in their own bubble inside our big bubble and totally unaware that anybody else would like to get past them while they chat casually taking up the whole aisle and I'm trying to buy a can of beans.
Not even saying excuse me twice loudly was of any use. :shrug:??

[Carl in Tampa]

The stick that police carry (often called a billy club) is a baton.

One of the first importers of expandable police batons was ASP (Armament Systems and Procedures, Inc.) and for years we did not refer to them as batons, but as ASPs.

In the police Use Of Force Matrix they are considered to be deadly force. In our training, and as a matter of policy, where I served as a deputy sheriff we were forbidden to ever strike someone in the head with a baton.

The primary targets were the knee, causing the opponent to fall, the elbow, disabling the arm, or the collarbone. A broken collarbone renders the arm on that side useless.

They were also very effective for breaking side or rear windows of locked cars if necessary to rescue confined passengers.

An ASP, collapsed and expanded, is pictured below.

[graciegirl]

One of the first importers of expandable police batons was ASP (Armament Systems and Procedures, Inc.) and for years we did not refer to them as batons, but as ASPs.

In the police Use Of Force Matrix they are considered to be deadly force. In our training, and as a matter of policy, where I served as a deputy sheriff we were forbidden to ever strike someone in the head with a baton.

The primary targets were the knee, causing the opponent to fall, the elbow, disabling the arm, or the collarbone. A broken collarbone renders the arm on that side useless.

They were also very effective for breaking side or rear windows of locked cars if necessary to rescue confined passengers.

An ASP, collapsed and expanded, is pictured below.

Wonder how and WHY this guy had a baton?

[skyguy79]

the real world is here,, they have landed,,, how sad,,, that viagria will make a guy do weird thingsConfucius say man who use Viagra before committing crime deserve stiff sentence! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-char013.gif

[Carl in Tampa]

Wonder how this guy had a baton?

You can buy them on the Internet.

I could have kept mine when I retired, but chose not to.

Ownership is not regulated, but possession may be, on a state by state basis.

[redwitch]

He obviously did something wrong because he was arrested. I can't imagine how scared the people were in the car that he attacked. He is already guilty. It's just a matter of how much time he spends behind bars. If I were the victim, I would certainly press charges. There's no excuse for this type of behavior. And yes, let the justice system do its job.

Innocent people get arrested all the time. Some even get tried and convicted.

In this case, there is little doubt of guilt and let's remember this turned himself in and stated he had no idea why he acted the way he did. It could have been a reaction to a prescribed medication; it could have been a reaction to an illegal drug (including steroids); it could be the beginning stages of Alzheimers or dementia. We don't know.

I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions but there can be mitigating circumstances. I get the feeling that something triggered this man and it's not just a simple case of unrestrained anger. It just doesn't sound like it from the news report.

[graciegirl]

Innocent people get arrested all the time. Some even get tried and convicted.

In this case, there is little doubt of guilt and let's remember this turned himself in and stated he had no idea why he acted the way he did. It could have been a reaction to a prescribed medication; it could have been a reaction to an illegal drug (including steroids); it could be the beginning stages of Alzheimers or dementia. We don't know.

I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions but there can be mitigating circumstances. I get the feeling that something triggered this man and it's not just a simple case of unrestrained anger. It just doesn't sound like it from the news report.


Please stop saying things like that Red. I just want to be mad at him.

[Barefoot]

Innocent people get arrested all the time. Some even get tried and convicted.

In this case, there is little doubt of guilt and let's remember this turned himself in and stated he had no idea why he acted the way he did. It could have been a reaction to a prescribed medication; it could have been a reaction to an illegal drug (including steroids); it could be the beginning stages of Alzheimers or dementia. We don't know.

I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions but there can be mitigating circumstances. I get the feeling that something triggered this man and it's not just a simple case of unrestrained anger. It just doesn't sound like it from the news report.

It's definitely more complicated and dangerous than a normal case of road rage. He and his family must be so shaken and embarrassed. I sincerely hope he gets the help and resources he needs. And best wishes to the victims, they must have been terrified.

[jebartle]

Huh!....Boy, this guy was a wild man!




According to The Villages on-line news, Thomas Regina, 63, of Hadley was charged with battery, burglary with battery and battery on a person 65 or older. He was released from the Sumter County jail on bond.

His photo is now posted.

[ssmith]

....I mean wow!!!!

Glad that his name and address are in the paper....it will get around and his neighbors will know...just sayin.... he may have a very short fuse or something like that!!!!I would want to know it if I lived close.

As to frequency of crime....I have been on this site long enough to know that this is not a frequent occuence and that is why it is discussed soooo much. It does seem though, that the good ole days of small town feel is changing slightly with more people around.

[Taltarzac725]

Innocent people get arrested all the time. Some even get tried and convicted.

In this case, there is little doubt of guilt and let's remember this turned himself in and stated he had no idea why he acted the way he did. It could have been a reaction to a prescribed medication; it could have been a reaction to an illegal drug (including steroids); it could be the beginning stages of Alzheimers or dementia. We don't know.

I agree that people should take responsibility for their actions but there can be mitigating circumstances. I get the feeling that something triggered this man and it's not just a simple case of unrestrained anger. It just doesn't sound like it from the news report.

That sounded like the case to me. I do not believe that innocent people are arrested that often. It certainly happens but there is usually some political and or cultural reason for it. A small clique covering themselves or just arrogantly asserting their power over others. You find sociopaths who could not care less about how they treat others in every profession. I would bet law and politics have more than most other professions though. Racism of some kind. A lawyer more concerned with their statistics (win rate) than getting at the facts. A weak willed defendant who cannot take the pressure of an investigation. http://www.policymic.com/articles/44423/10-professions-that-attract-the-most-sociopaths

I worked with prisoners for about 23 months (June 1987- May 1989) at the Legal Assistance to Minnesota Prisoners Clinic at the University of Minnesota Law School and remember maybe two or three cases in the hundreds that I had some contact with either directly or indirectly while a Student and the Student Clinical Director Minnesota Correctional Facility-Stillwater (not sure of the proper title) which MIGHT have involved an innocent person. This involved cases I heard about as well. And we usually just were doing some kind of civil work for these many prisoners like divorces, name changes, civil liability, prison conditions, prisoner early release), etc. I did get to look at a lot of files however.

Just saying that for the most part the system seems to work. It certainly could be improved on however. There are too many areas where simplistic approaches to the complexities of human behavior and motivations often result in wrongs. Lack of any deep appreciation of the nuances of mental health seems to be one of these as would be painting sexual offenders with a very broad brush just to win votes or improve public relations.

It does sound like this man certainly needs therapy of some kind for lack of impulse control coupled with rage.

[Bizdoc]

Great minds think alike. I was wondering the same thing earlier.
What was he doing with a baton? My husband thought perhaps it was just a metal rod?? which the reporter called a baton??

The device that most call a "billy club" is usually referred to as a baton (which I think is French for "short rod" as in a Field Marshall's baton.

[Bizdoc]

He obviously did something wrong because he was arrested. I can't imagine how scared the people were in the car that he attacked. He is already guilty. It's just a matter of how much time he spends behind bars. If I were the victim, I would certainly press charges. There's no excuse for this type of behavior. And yes, let the justice system do its job.

And clearly should be executed. Maybe we can get a hanging scheduled for Brownwood during the Halloween festivities.

seriously, you're not guilty until the jury says you are.

[Steve & Deanna]

Its the developer's fault for not doing background checks before selling a property.

I don't feel that the developer has anything to do with it as it is personal responsibility; however, you may have stumbled onto something as a background check is not a half bad idea. I'm sure that other senior communities do this. When a community grows, other bad elements can come into play. As for the perpetrator, five days in jail and a $2000 fine would certainly cool his heels after causing harm to one of our own and destroying property. You just don't play nice with these type of people.

[graciegirl]

I don't feel that the developer has anything to do with it as it is personal responsibility; however, you may have stumbled onto something as a background check is not a half bad idea. I'm sure that other senior communities do this. When a community grows, other bad elements can come into play. As for the perpetrator, five days in jail and a $2000 fine would certainly cool his heels after causing harm to one of our own and destroying property. You just don't play nice with these type of people.

I am pretty sure, in fact I am absolutely sure that Bogie was kidding.

This man is guilty. I read it in The Daily Sun and have come to that conclusion, Bizdoc. You and I usually agree, so DON'T confuse me.

[graciegirl]

While I am not usually the one to suggest tolerance (as the folks who dumped on me for suggesting low IQ on the part of a certain car driver on the multimodal path), I would like to point out something important.

One of the things which happens in Alzheimer's (and some other dementias) is the folks often retreat from rational to lizard (primitive) brain. They become much more easily angered and much more likely to physically strike out. And in this wonderful paradise of ours lurk a lot of folks who either have or will have dementia.

Had an interesting chat summer of 2012 with a psychiatrist who treated patients in nursing homes. He related seeing a growing number of veterans (usually WWII or Korea) who developed dementia and reacted violently to various triggers (like loud noises).

Hopefully all of us fine folks on TOTV won't be cursed with acting out when we lose our marbles.

I wonder if he has a record of violent behavior from whence he came.

I understand your stance and think you are always quite fair, however if he was trained in the impatient driving states, he could go ballistic here in a very short time. Did I tell you about the guy who went around me at a stop sign?

He was a Yankees fan.

[BritParrothead]

What a dreadful little man!!:shocked:

[Steve & Deanna]

This is violence pure and simple and this person HAS to be a menace to his housemate and to his neighbors. Wow.

Thomas Regina. I am going to look up where he lives.


According to Sumterpa.com they moved into that house just LAST month.

Great detective work Gracie. You need to meet my wife at some point.

[Steve & Deanna]

This is violence pure and simple and this person HAS to be a menace to his housemate and to his neighbors. Wow.

Thomas Regina. I am going to look up where he lives.


According to Sumterpa.com they moved into that house just LAST month.

As I mentioned your post and detective work to my wife ....as she is making blueberry muffins MMMMMMMMMMM, she said that she should have a PI (private investigative) business with you to weed out the bad element.

[kfierle]

According to Sumterpa.com they moved into that house just LAST month.

He may have moved to Hadley last month from elsewhere in The Villages.

[Cedwards38]

This goes to show.............there is no bubble...anywhere....ever, danger can be anywhere, live freely but with a cautious eye, and accept the fact that even good people can make really bad mistakes if the conditions are such to trigger them. Who knows what events led up to this incident, or what emotional turmoil the persons were experiencing.

[graciegirl]

As I mentioned your post and detective work to my wife ....as she is making blueberry muffins MMMMMMMMMMM, she said that she should have a PI (private investigative) business with you to weed out the bad element.


It is called the NOSY gene.

It is latent in some women, but not in me.

My daughter calls me Mrs. Kravitz.

[Villageshooter]

We have all become the same animals of the jungle preying upon one another with complete disregard for human life and joyously rejoicing in the bad adventures of others the true villages comes out!

[Taltarzac725]

This goes to show.............there is no bubble...anywhere....ever, danger can be anywhere, live freely but with a cautious eye, and accept the fact that even good people can make really bad mistakes if the conditions are such to trigger them. Who knows what events led up to this incident, or what emotional turmoil the persons were experiencing.

I would tend to agree with what happened to the victims in this incident, but using a baton like that shows some very serious disregard for the safety of the people you use this against. It does not sound like he had any kind of psychotic break from the news report. Psychotic breaks can come from all kinds of reasons but this man was carrying a baton with him and seemed to be looking for trouble.

[Bogie Shooter]

I would tend to agree with what happened to the victims in this incident, but using a baton like that shows some very serious disregard for the safety of the people you use this against. It does not sound like he had any kind of psychotic break from the news report. Psychotic breaks can come from all kinds of reasons but this man was carrying a baton with him and seemed to be looking for trouble.

Maybe couldn't get a "carry" permit and chose the baton instead?

[scot_atc]

It is called the NOSY gene.

It is latent in some women, but not in me.

My daughter calls me Mrs. Kravitz.

Sorry for not being on point but...This post is a big reason we can't wait to get down there. Very few people we work with have any idea who Mrs Kravitz is. Looking forward to being the "young kid" again. :laugh:

[Taltarzac725]

Maybe couldn't get a "carry" permit and chose the baton instead?

True. Except that I would hope that anyone who has a carry permit would only pull a gun when he/she can justify using lethal force. A blow to the head with a baton could be lethal.

[elevatorman]

I was looking at the website Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0775/Sections/0775.082.html) and as near as I can figure this guy faces up to 30 years and up to a $30,000 fine. Battery on a person 65 and over, the way I read it, is a minimum of 3 years in prison. If found guilty.

[Tweety Bird]

Was it a twirlers baton? No offense to the Village Twillers cuz I think you all are great...just wondering what type of baton it was.

probably one of those little sticks the maestro uses for the orchestra. :-)

[Tweety Bird]

Huh!....Boy, this guy was a wild man!

I would hope his wife doesn't tick him off.

She might get the whip!

[Parker]

Oh dear, where do I start? Okay, first, this guy is dangerous. This incident, almost certainly, won't have been his first meltdown, perhaps not his first run-in with the law. He will suffer for his actions, in ways like his neighbors shunning him, the legal ramifications and expense, potential jail time, the outing of his name, address, and picture.

While there is a big part of me that says 'good', there is another little part that says perhaps a prior poster could be right about the effects of dementia, or some other overwhelming condition he may suffer from. That niggling little part says 'enough already', let's let the system work and reserve judgement until all the facts are known. I say all this because my grandfather, such a good-hearted gentle man all his life, hit a nurse when hospitalized with Alzheimer's. He wouldn't have known himself at that stage. Let's just wait before crucifying him. It's the right thing to do for now, IMHO.

[old moe]

The Villages on-line news identified the perpetrator as Thomas Regina, 63, a resident of the Village of Hadley. Regina posted bond and was released from the Sumter County jail after being questioned.

Never a need for this type of action no matter what the other driver did. Anyone with this type of temper should never get out on bail, he needed to spend the night inside if for no other reason than TOO COOL OFF.:spoken:

[graciegirl]

Never a need for this type of action no matter what the other driver did. Anyone with this type of temper should never get out on bail, he needed to spend the night inside if for no other reason than TOO COOL OFF.:spoken:

I think you are right, old moe and even to evaluate if he had other issues.

[tucson]

He could have dementia, the nursing homes are full of people who assault others for no reason b/c of this illness.

[tucson]

Oh dear, where do I start? Okay, first, this guy is dangerous. This incident, almost certainly, won't have been his first meltdown, perhaps not his first run-in with the law. He will suffer for his actions, in ways like his neighbors shunning him, the legal ramifications and expense, potential jail time, the outing of his name, address, and picture.

While there is a big part of me that says 'good', there is another little part that says perhaps a prior poster could be right about the effects of dementia, or some other overwhelming condition he may suffer from. That niggling little part says 'enough already', let's let the system work and reserve judgement until all the facts are known. I say all this because my grandfather, such a good-hearted gentle man all his life, hit a nurse when hospitalized with Alzheimer's. He wouldn't have known himself at that stage. Let's just wait before crucifying him. It's the right thing to do for now, IMHO.

I didn't read your post before I just posted almost the same thing re; Dementia and Alzheimer's patients, I know from personal experience working in the hospitals and nursing homes. I've been punched, screamed at, etc. Even my mother when she was a volunteer was punched in the face when giving Communion to a wheelchair bound patient.

[graciegirl]

Call me skeptical. This is a place with over 100 thousand people who are over the age of 55. I think law enforcement here are pretty familiar with issues of aging.

[2BNTV]

Its the developer's fault for not doing background checks before selling a property.

Very funny. Thanks for the laugh. :1rotfl:

Seriously, GOD only knows what's going on this man's mind. I am sure he regrets losing his cool.

The lesson learned is that he would have be better off waiting a couple of seconds instead of being arrested and going through a time consuming process.

Obliviously, he was dead wrong in his actions.

[jdsl1998]

This story saddens me....as do some of the comments on this thread.

[tucson]

We have a lot of brain injured Vets also coming home from all the wars in the Mideast don't forget.......

[Karron]

[QUOTE=rubicon;768347]I am surprised that people who live in TV are surprised that criminal activity occurs here. I mean some folks may believe they live in a bubble but they may consider that the DOME may be a fun show on TV but is feasible.

About the "BUBBLE"...
When I drove around with The Villages Sales people they almost laughed at me when I asked if the home I was considering had an alarm system!
Then they said, "you don't really need one here, most people don't install them in their homes!......?????
Karron

( I guess I bought the BUBBLE Story...)

[John95019]

Seems to me that a lot of people are commenting about this guy and they don't even know the full story.

[aframe]

Seems to me that a lot of people are commenting about this guy and they don't even know the full story.
I agree!!

[BettyCrocked]

This story saddens me....as do some of the comments on this thread.

No kidding. :ohdear:

[Gabbi1393]

crazy, I too am in no hurry. Rather arrive somewhere safe. Maybe the guy in front of him isn't used to the roundabouts. Geez, relax

[jdsl1998]

Seems to me that a lot of people are commenting about this guy and they don't even know the full story.
Well said...

[graciegirl]

Well said...

Is there something else we need to know? Some guy was impatient waiting behind someone to pull in the circle and got out of his car and started a fight and broke some one's windshield and punched some woman who was 68.

Could it be he was an alien from Mars and didn't know the traffic rules?

Could it be that he carried a baton because he was a drum major?

It could be that he had impulse control issues, but that isn't a reason to overlook what he did.

What is it that we are missing?

I have known almost a dozen people with dementia in my life and no one hurt anyone. It is possible, but would his family allow him to drive?

It looks pretty much like he was a jerk to me.

[skyc6]

Is there something else we need to know? Some guy was impatient waiting behind someone to pull in the circle and got out of his car and started a fight and broke some one's windshield and punched some woman who was 68.

Could it be he was an alien from Mars and didn't know the traffic rules?

Could it be that he carried a baton because he was a drum major?

It could be that he had impulse control issues, but that isn't a reason to overlook what he did.

What is it that we are missing?

I have known almost a dozen people with dementia in my life and no one hurt anyone. It is possible, but would his family allow him to drive?

It looks pretty much like he was a jerk to me.
If he was 63, then his mother cannot be 68. Also, what burglary took place? I know the charge was said to include burglary, but what was stolen? I don't think the facts were presented correctly or very well in the paper. rewrite!:cus:

[Indydealmaker]

If he was 63, then his mother cannot be 68. Also, what burglary took place? I know the charge was said to include burglary, but what was stolen? I don't think the facts were presented correctly or very well in the paper. rewrite!:cus:

The 68 year old woman was the mother of the driver of the car that was attacked. The attacker was 63.

[Pepperhead]

If he was 63, then his mother cannot be 68. Also, what burglary took place? I know the charge was said to include burglary, but what was stolen? I don't think the facts were presented correctly or very well in the paper. rewrite!:cus:

Burglary means illegal entry with intent to commit a felony. Nothing has to be stolen.

[gamby]

Life in danger,

Stand your ground first,
Shoot second.

[Carl in Tampa]

The device that most call a "billy club" is usually referred to as a baton (which I think is French for "short rod" as in a Field Marshall's baton.

The French word baton is generally translated into English as stick.

Thus, the Louisiana capital of Baton Rouge is translated Red Stick.

Why Red Stick? The European-American history of Baton Rouge dates from 1699, when French explorer Sieur d'Iberville leading an exploration party up the Mississippi River saw a reddish cypress pole festooned with bloody animals that marked the boundary between the Houma and Bayou Goula tribal hunting grounds. They called the pole and its location le bâton rouge, or the red stick.

I love trivia.

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[wendyquat]

I would hope his wife doesn't tick him off.

She might get the whip!


Let's just hope if he's still at home in December that he likes Christmas! It looks to me like he lives one street away from Dunkirk where the "musical Christmas houses" are on display!

[DougB]

The French word baton is generally translated into English as stick.

Thus, the Louisiana capital of Baton Rouge is translated Red Stick.

Why Red Stick? The European-American history of Baton Rouge dates from 1699, when French explorer Sieur d'Iberville leading an exploration party up the Mississippi River saw a reddish cypress pole festooned with bloody animals that marked the boundary between the Houma and Bayou Goula tribal hunting grounds. They called the pole and its location le bâton rouge, or the red stick.

I love trivia.

.

Sacre Bleu

[mixsonci]

My two cents. We could probably forgive him if it is related to dementia or Alzheimers, however, if his dementia has progressed to the point where he is a danger to himself or society WHY is he still allowed to not only be out by himself but DRIVING????? His symptoms would have manifested themselves a long time ago if they had reached this point and certainly someone would know and he would be getting professional help longer before this incident. Which leads me to believe that that is not the case, (but I'm not a doctor).

[bonrich]

Playing the devil's advocate, It would be safe to say this man knows he has an anger management problem, and maybe this incident that escalated in his mind was a breaking point for him and instead of controlling his anger, he took the wrong road, and exploded. Possibly this time or once again, he has brought such negative notoriety for his wife and himself with not much hope in "making it better" for their living in harmony with neighbors, and now life may not be very good for them. I am not condoning his vioient action, nor making excuses for what he did, but there could be a lot more here than what the 122 posters are aware of.

[Taltarzac725]

Playing the devil's advocate, It would be safe to say this man knows he has an anger management problem, and maybe this incident that escalated in his mind was a breaking point for him and instead of controlling his anger, he took the wrong road, and exploded. Possibly this time or once again, he has brought such negative notoriety for his wife and himself with not much hope in "making it better" for their living in harmony with neighbors, and now life may not be very good for them. I am not condoning his violent action, nor making excuses for what he did, but there could be a lot more here than what the 122 posters are aware of.

That may be true. It is very hard to imagine a scenario where this man can excuse this violent outburst. I have had stuff in my own life which excuse a nervous breakdown in March 2000 and there was a whole lot going on and is still going on BUT there are many ways to calm yourself. I do feel for his wife, however, but she probably knows all about his temperament and other stuff.

[jojo]

[QUOTE=Carl in Tampa;769187]The French word baton is generally translated into English as stick.

Thus, the Louisiana capital of Baton Rouge is translated Red Stick.

Why Red Stick? The European-American history of Baton Rouge dates from 1699, when French explorer Sieur d'Iberville leading an exploration party up the Mississippi River saw a reddish cypress pole festooned with bloody animals that marked the boundary between the Houma and Bayou Goula tribal hunting grounds. They called the pole and its location le bâton rouge, or the red stick.

I love trivia.

Thank you Carl in Tampa. I love geography and learning. I'll remember this the next time I'm in Baton Rouge.

[NECHFalcon68]

For all the Monday morning juries, here's a possible scenario: the perp claimed he did not assault anyone, but admits to property damage. Maybe...just maybe..he got out of his car, started to approach the guy in front (whose mother is 68, so how old is he?) and the younger guy sees him coming quickly, yelling, and pre-empts the confrontation by clocking him. Realizing that he is gonna go down in a fight, the perp resorts to car damage as revenge.
I dont buy anything about dementia, reduced capacity, alzheimers...anger management issues - YES - and there's plenty of that in all communities.
Just sayin...

[Taltarzac725]

For all the Monday morning juries, here's a possible scenario: the perp claimed he did not assault anyone, but admits to property damage. Maybe...just maybe..he got out of his car, started to approach the guy in front (whose mother is 68, so how old is he?) and the younger guy sees him coming quickly, yelling, and pre-empts the confrontation by clocking him. Realizing that he is gonna go down in a fight, the perp resorts to car damage as revenge.
I dont buy anything about dementia, reduced capacity, alzheimers...anger management issues - YES - and there's plenty of that in all communities.
Just sayin...

I am pretty sure that the police report would have got their facts right. http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_9f9e199e-bbff-5bd2-99bb-f92accda4836.html

[NECHFalcon68]

I am pretty sure that the police report would have got their facts right. Man charged with attacking 68-year-old mother in road rage incident - Daily Commercial: News (http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_9f9e199e-bbff-5bd2-99bb-f92accda4836.html)

Agree. Didnt see your link before I posted.

[redwitch]

I still would want to know if he was on any medication before I condemn him. There are some meds that can totally change your personality and this change can occur without you really being aware of it. As I said previously, there may be mitigating circumstances, so how about we cut the man some slack until, if and when all facts come out.

[Taltarzac725]

I still would want to know if he was on any medication before I condemn him. There are some meds that can totally change your personality and this change can occur without you really being aware of it. As I said previously, there may be mitigating circumstances, so how about we cut the man some slack until, if and when all facts come out.

Just have trouble with someone with obvious anger issues travelling around with a baton. This is not the kind of person who should have access to any kind of weapon. I know that it is impossible to block tax paying Villagers from their right to have a weapon BUT holding people accountable who do use a weapon when they and their family know they have serious impulse control as well as aggression issues should be a norm and not an exception.

If there are mitigating circumstances let the judge and/or jury deal with these.

[BobAllen1290]

The Sumter County Sheriff's website proudly points to the statistical fact that Sumter County Florida is one of the safest places to live in the USA. They should be proud of that. However, far too many villagers buy into the spin-myth that TV is some sort of adult Disneyland where the skies are not cloudy all day. TV is NOT Mayberry, North Carolina and Sheriff Andy does not live here. Real crimes..real issues happen here on a regular basis. Compared to places like Baltimore, Detroit or NYC there's no comparison..TV and Sumter County are very safe places to live, but there are still the same bad elements that you find everywhere else, just in lesser numbers.

[PaPaLarry]

The Sumter County Sheriff's website proudly points to the statistical fact that Sumter County Florida is one of the safest places to live in the USA. They should be proud of that. However, far too many villagers buy into the spin-myth that TV is some sort of adult Disneyland where the skies are not cloudy all day. TV is NOT Mayberry, North Carolina and Sheriff Andy does not live here. Real crimes..real issues happen here on a regular basis. Compared to places like Baltimore, Detroit or NYC there's no comparison..TV and Sumter County are very safe places to live, but there are still the same bad elements that you find everywhere else, just in lesser numbers.
That's so true!!!

[graciegirl]

The Sumter County Sheriff's website proudly points to the statistical fact that Sumter County Florida is one of the safest places to live in the USA. They should be proud of that. However, far too many villagers buy into the spin-myth that TV is some sort of adult Disneyland where the skies are not cloudy all day. TV is NOT Mayberry, North Carolina and Sheriff Andy does not live here. Real crimes..real issues happen here on a regular basis. Compared to places like Baltimore, Detroit or NYC there's no comparison..TV and Sumter County are very safe places to live, but there are still the same bad elements that you find everywhere else, just in lesser numbers.

It is true. But Gary Morse is perfect.:pepper2:

His Ozness can't change Human Nature, but Mercy, if you can't act happy here and get over your impatience here, you are ONE LOST CAUSE.

Gracie the Happy, full of wonderful home cooked sauerbraten and gemutlikeit. (sp)Thank you for a very special evening in lower Paradise, Missy Pie, Ernie, Marie, Ralphie, Richard, and Leeanne!

[gmcneill]

Florida Statute 784.08 HARSHLY addresses battery against a 65 y/o. Mandatory prison time for starters. (NOTE: the age of the attacker is irrelevant; it is the age of the victim that applies in such matters. The law applies equally if an attacker is 65 & over).

The law should serve as a serious deterrent to committing (initiating) an act of violence against older folks. The law should be in the forefront of one's mind whenever the potential for escalating a confrontational situation occurs.

[Indydealmaker]

Florida Statute 784.08 HARSHLY addresses battery against a 65 y/o. Mandatory prison time for starters. (NOTE: the age of the attacker is irrelevant; it is the age of the victim that applies in such matters. The law applies equally if an attacker is 65 & over).

The law should serve as a serious deterrent to committing (initiating) an act of violence against older folks. The law should be in the forefront of one's mind whenever the potential for escalating a confrontational situation occurs.

In other words, be the "Hitee" instead of the "Hitor". (Only for the first punch)

[bfdretired]

14 pages of reply's and finally somebody suggest maybe he was off his meds>>>>>i agree ..
no excuse for violence...."do the crime pay the time"......
professional evaluation needed
just my 2 cents

[Tweety Bird]

Let's just hope if he's still at home in December that he likes Christmas! It looks to me like he lives one street away from Dunkirk where the "musical Christmas houses" are on display!

Oh NOOOOO, he might break all the lights with the baton!!!! What if we slow down to look at the lights? What if we stop and he's behind us? god help us.

[Pepperhead]

Not that it would ameliorate the offender's behavior, but I keep wondering how provocative the behavior of the 34 year old and his mother became after the horn was blown. I mean, did they just start pushing all the right buttons until the fellow felt so disrespected that he snapped? Even if they did, it wouldn't be a defense for baton boy, I just wonder if it may have been the case.

[Russ_Boston]

Just my guesses (in order of possible):

1. He has dementia.

2. He has PTSD (former military or Police?).

3. Medication problems?

4. Just a mean jerk!

Could be either one. But in any event he needs to be off the road for some time whether it be jail or under doctor's care.

[joeyar01]

I think the villagers of Hadley should petition for this nutcase to be kicked out of The Villages.

[Indydealmaker]

14 pages of reply's and finally somebody suggest maybe he was off his meds>>>>>i agree ..
no excuse for violence...."do the crime pay the time"......
professional evaluation needed
just my 2 cents

Actually, that was suggested on the third page of posts. However, you are right. I would bet that psychiatric evaluation would be most enlightening.

[Indydealmaker]

I think the villagers of Hadley should petition for this nutcase to be kicked out of The Villages.

Hopefully, you are just being sarcastic. There is no basis for that, legal or moral. Particularly, if the root of the problem was medical.

[tucson]

Did I read that he "told" the offended driver to pull over? If so, WHY did he pull over? Who would do that? If a total stranger told me to pull over, well; I don't think so!!!!! I'm not making excuses for the offender but something isn't right about what we know so far re;this assault.

[dillywho]

Did I read that he "told" the offended driver to pull over? If so, WHY did he pull over? Who would do that? If a total stranger told me to pull over, well; I don't think so!!!!! I'm not making excuses for the offender but something isn't right about what we know so far re;this assault.

Could be since the guy was honking at him, he thought perhaps he needed help or directions or something. Had the offender been what we might say a "normal" person, he could have been trying to tell the person driving the car in front of him that he had noticed something wrong with his car and just wanted to let him know about it. Everyone who honks or asks someone to pull over or roll down the window is not "up to no good".

This guy is one of how many thousands in The Villages, "Florida's Friendliest Hometown"?

[Russ_Boston]

I was once asked to pull over (actually I was a passenger) and when we did 3 guys with guns pointed them in our faces (case of mistaken identity - fortunately no one was hurt). I'm not pulling over for anyone after that.

[graciegirl]

Could be since the guy was honking at him, he thought perhaps he needed help or directions or something. Had the offender been what we might say a "normal" person, he could have been trying to tell the person driving the car in front of him that he had noticed something wrong with his car and just wanted to let him know about it. Everyone who honks or asks someone to pull over or roll down the window is not "up to no good".

This guy is one of how many thousands in The Villages, "Florida's Friendliest Hometown"?

As usual Dillywho, everything you say makes sense to me.

[tucson]

Could be since the guy was honking at him, he thought perhaps he needed help or directions or something. Had the offender been what we might say a "normal" person, he could have been trying to tell the person driving the car in front of him that he had noticed something wrong with his car and just wanted to let him know about it. Everyone who honks or asks someone to pull over or roll down the window is not "up to no good".

This guy is one of how many thousands in The Villages, "Florida's Friendliest Hometown"?

There's people in AND outside of TV who are criminals who will stalk people w/evil intent in mind. It just happened to me last week in a major Dept. Store pkg lot in the morning as I was coming out of the store just outside of TV. A guy in a pickup truck, seemed to come out of nowhere, had his window rolled down and stopped to make a sleazy remark to me. B/c I'm a former victim of an assault, I always have my radar up when out and about. That's why I would NEVER stop and talk to anyone in that type of scenario. People, be careful out there, I know we all LOVE the 1950's way of thinking, but it unfortunately is 2013, a way different kind of animal.

[GrandmaP]

According to the Daily Sun, he lives in the village of Hadley.

OH DEAR, all Hadley residents should be warned!

[senior citizen]

There's people in AND outside of TV who are criminals who will stalk people w/evil intent in mind. It just happened to me last week in a major Dept. Store pkg lot in the morning as I was coming out of the store just outside of TV. A guy in a pickup truck, seemed to come out of nowhere, had his window rolled down and stopped to make a sleazy remark to me. B/c I'm a former victim of an assault, I always have my radar up when out and about. That's why I would NEVER stop and talk to anyone in that type of scenario. People, be careful out there, I know we all LOVE the 1950's way of thinking, but it unfortunately is 2013, a way different kind of animal.

Words of wisdom. You speak the truth. Society has certainly changed, no matter where one lives. Everyone seems to be hopped up on some type of drug or other, whether legal or illegal.......they have side effects. Stay safe.

[justjim]

A couple years ago my Aunt was assaulted in a church parking lot at high noon as church was letting out. They knocked her to the ground and stole her purse.

For sure, be careful out there.

[JC and John]

OK, after reading all 150 comments, I have to comment. Did it occur to anyone that it is a simple case of road rage? I bet the guy from Hadley, who "they" say just moved here is from a state with many impatient drivers, ie a big city with traffic congestion. Impatient driving is rather contagious and becomes a way of life for SOME folks and he hasn't adjusted to the more laid back state of TV. Saw impatient driving and road rage all the time living in the Washington DC area. I wouldn't give the 1 finger salute or yell back to someone who honks at you or cuts you off or you might just get shot in DC. It has taken me over a year to slow down my driving speed and adjust the time it will take me to get somewhere because I was so used to a faster pace. There is NO excuse for what he did and he needs to suffer the consequences of his actions. I feel sorry for his family.https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif

[zonerboy]

Other than the official police report posted here earlier, I seriously doubt we will be getting any more factual information about this incident until it is adjudicated in court.
Seems to be a lot of speculation going on here. So I'll just add my theory: the perp is a bully who is used to getting his way via shouting, cursing, threats, and aggressive behavior. In this case, however, the "victim" was not intimidated in the least and took protective action. Note black eye present in mug shot of perp. The perp in turn was so stunned by this turn of events that he quickly retreated to his car, grabbed his baton, and began attacking the victim's vehicle, breaking windows, and punching yhe victim's mother. I guess she was more his speed as far as physical prowess.
How's that for an imagined scenario?

[Chazz]

Other than the official police report posted here earlier, I seriously doubt we will be getting any more factual information about this incident until it is adjudicated in court.
Seems to be a lot of speculation going on here. So I'll just add my theory: the perp is a bully who is used to getting his way via shouting, cursing, threats, and aggressive behavior. In this case, however, the "victim" was not intimidated in the least and took protective action. Note black eye present in mug shot of perp. The perp in turn was so stunned by this turn of events that he quickly retreated to his car, grabbed his baton, and began attacking the victim's vehicle, breaking windows, and punching yhe victim's mother. I guess she was more his speed as far as physical prowess.
How's that for an imagined scenario?

As good a guess as any!

[BobAllen1290]

I was once asked to pull over (actually I was a passenger) and when we did 3 guys with guns pointed them in our faces (case of mistaken identity - fortunately no one was hurt). I'm not pulling over for anyone after that.
I don't want to make light of your situation, but the former mayor of Toledo, Ohio..a guy named Carty Finkbiener used to take his role as the city's top "emergency official" seriously and was known to attempt to pull over people who he thought were in violation of various traffic infractions. One day a scared motorist cold-cocked the mayor not knowing who he was or what he was doing. The city council and the Chief of Police finally managed to get Carty to stop doing his Captain Midnight impression before he got killed.

[BarryRX]

I don't want to make light of your situation, but the former mayor of Toledo, Ohio..a guy named Carty Finkbiener used to take his role as the city's top "emergency official" seriously and was known to attempt to pull over people who he thought were in violation of various traffic infractions. One day a scared motorist cold-cocked the mayor not knowing who he was or what he was doing. The city council and the Chief of Police finally managed to get Carty to stop doing his Captain Midnight impression before he got killed.
Good old Carty Finkbiener. He once proposed moving all the deaf people in Toledo next to the Airport so he wouldn't have to deal with noise complaints anymore. I actually found him to be a great supporter and booster of Toledo, but his act did get tiresome after a while. (Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the road rage thread).

[Bizdoc]

Good old Carty Finkbiener. He once proposed moving all the deaf people in Toledo next to the Airport so he wouldn't have to deal with noise complaints anymore. I actually found him to be a great supporter and booster of Toledo, but his act did get tiresome after a while. (Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the road rage thread).

If there was ever a thread in need of a hijacking, it was this one.

[Carl in Tampa]

Good old Carty Finkbiener. He once proposed moving all the deaf people in Toledo next to the Airport so he wouldn't have to deal with noise complaints anymore. I actually found him to be a great supporter and booster of Toledo, but his act did get tiresome after a while. (Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the road rage thread).

Speaking of deaf people, I had a friend who sold cars at a dealership. He learned sign language so he could concentrate on selling to the hearing impaired.

He got a lot of trade-ins from his customers. He said he noticed an interesting phenomenon. The radios in these cars either had almost never been turned on or the speakers were entirely blown out of them.

(How's that for hijacking a thread?)

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[Carl in Tampa]

The French word baton is generally translated into English as stick.

Thus, the Louisiana capital of Baton Rouge is translated Red Stick.

Why Red Stick? The European-American history of Baton Rouge dates from 1699, when French explorer Sieur d'Iberville leading an exploration party up the Mississippi River saw a reddish cypress pole festooned with bloody animals that marked the boundary between the Houma and Bayou Goula tribal hunting grounds. They called the pole and its location le bâton rouge, or the red stick.

I love trivia.

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If you have watched the TV series Swamp People on the History Channel you have seen R.J. Molinere, Jr. and his son Jay Paul Molinere hunting alligators in Louisiana. They are members of the above mentioned Houma Nation Indian tribe, still following the hunting traditions of their ancestors, except that they now kill the gators with rifles rather than sharpened spears.

More trivia, as we go farther afield from the theme of the thread.

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