Remember "The Wall" ??

[OldManTime]

A crew started working on it today when i went by.

Stonecrest people are outraged, they want to enjoy our amenities with out paying for it.

[bkcunningham1]

A crew started working on what today?

[njbchbum]

A crew started working on what today?

the new gate is going up where 'the wall' in the historic side had been built.

article is here:
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[bkcunningham1]

Are you in town, njbchbum? !!

[Bogie Shooter]

A crew started working on it today when i went by.

Stonecrest people are outraged, they want to enjoy our amenities with out paying for it.

How do you know Stonecrest people are outraged??

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

How is it that they can put up a wall overnight and tear it down in a day or two but it takes them several months to put up a gate?

[graciegirl]

How is it that they can put up a wall overnight and tear it down in a day or two but it takes them several months to put up a gate?

It's an insidious plot of some kind?

[ijusluvit]

The Stonecrest POA put out a statement informing their residents that the new gate was being installed beginning today. Their comments expressed disappointment and frustration that they had been unable to come to some kind of agreement which would allow Stonecrest residents to get to and use the golf cart bridge to access shopping and entertainment.

[bkcunningham1]

I am only guessing, but I would suppose "they" went through the proper channels and protocol this time and dotted their "i's" and crossed their "t's" dr. boogie.

[tpop1]

I remember "The Wall", a great Pink Floyd album.

[Barefoot]

Stonecrest people are outraged, they want to enjoy our amenities with out paying for it.

OMT ... What amenities are Stonecrest residents currently enjoying without paying? I think you must be kidding around. As I'm sure you know, anyone from outside The Villages is free to shop and listen to the entertainment in the Town Squares any time ... the Town Centers are not funded by our TV amenities.

[Serenoa]

How is it that they can put up a wall overnight and tear it down in a day or two but it takes them several months to put up a gate?

I'm guessing that since their original building permit was for a wall, they most likely had to go back & re-submit for a new permit for the gate. That process always takes time.

[Serenoa]

I remember "The Wall", a great Pink Floyd album.

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?" :D

[ohiogolf]

The Wall is at the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame Museum in Cleveland!

[janmcn]

I'm guessing that since their original building permit was for a wall, they most likely had to go back & re-submit for a new permit for the gate. That process always takes time.


If you read the original thread about the wall, you will read that they never got a permit for a wall. That was one of the problems.

Janet Tutt stated at the meeting in Lady Lake that she did not know who ordered the wall be erected in the middle of the night. She knew it was erected for the safety of the residents, but not who ordered it. That doesn't say much for her managerial skills.

If TV residents don't think the residents of Stonecrest are upset, they should read the comments at the end of the article in the on-line Villages News.

[graciegirl]

If you read the original thread about the wall, you will read that they never got a permit for a wall. That was one of the problems.

Janet Tutt stated at the meeting in Lady Lake that she did not know who ordered the wall be erected in the middle of the night. She knew it was erected for the safety of the residents, but not who ordered it. That doesn't say much for her managerial skills.

If TV residents don't think the residents of Stonecrest are upset, they should read the comments at the end of the article in the on-line Villages News.


Walk in Janet Tutt's moccasins for 48 hours. There isn't enough money in the WORLD to do her job.

[Serenoa]

If you read the original thread about the wall, you will read that they never got a permit for a wall. That was one of the problems. (quote snipped by me)

Now that you mention it, I do recall that little detail. That being said, I'll bet the proper procedures were followed this time around. Hence the delay.

[CFrance]

How is it that they can put up a wall overnight and tear it down in a day or two but it takes them several months to put up a gate?

My guess: the wall was prefab and only had to go up and down once!

[graciegirl]

I think it may hurt our Stonecrest neighbors feelings but I would be for limiting extra golf carts especially during the high season. We have enough traffic to deal with without another whole subdivisions golf carts further causing more traffic.

I think I am for the gate keeping out the folks from Stonecrest in their carts.

Are you?

And we have old and treasured friends who live in Stonecrest.

[CFrance]

I think it may hurt our Stonecrest neighbors feelings but I would be for limiting extra golf carts especially during the high season. We have enough traffic to deal with without another whole subdivisions golf carts further causing more traffic.

I think I am for the gate keeping out the folks from Stonecrest in their carts.

Are you?

And we have old and treasured friends who live in Stonecrest.

I agree, but I forget how they're getting around the "have-to-have-access-to-a-public-road" ordinance.

[JSR22]

I think it may hurt our Stonecrest neighbors feelings but I would be for limiting extra golf carts especially during the high season. We have enough traffic to deal with without another whole subdivisions golf carts further causing more traffic.

I think I am for the gate keeping out the folks from Stonecrest in their carts.

Are you?

And we have old and treasured friends who live in Stonecrest.

I don't think they should have access to our paths. The home page for Stone crest has an interesting paragraph. They are using The Villages to sell their homes:
"At the Stone Crest Country Club you can enjoy two golf courses, play on our lighted tennis courts and pickle-ball courts, swim in the heated indoor pool or any of the outdoor pools throughout the community. Play shuffleboard, bocce ball or softball on our new softball field. Get in shape at the community gym. And take a short golf cart ride to all the amenities in The Villages, including shopping, healthcare and entertainment."

[CFrance]

I don't think they should have access to our paths. The home page for Stone crest has an interesting paragraph. They are using The Villages to sell their homes:
"At the Stone Crest Country Club you can enjoy two golf courses, play on our lighted tennis courts and pickle-ball courts, swim in the heated indoor pool or any of the outdoor pools throughout the community. Play shuffleboard, bocce ball or softball on our new softball field. Get in shape at the community gym. And take a short golf cart ride to all the amenities in The Villages, including shopping, healthcare and entertainment."

I think we've had a discussion before about that statement. Is that the official web site for Stonecrest, Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida (http://www.thestonecrestcountryclub.com/) ??

The statement is very (intentionally, perhaps) misleading, since "amentities" as TV describes them are much, much more than the shopping, healthcare, and entertainment that they list. One might think a Stonecrest resident could come do our classes, play the courses, etc.

[sandybill2]

I don't think they should have access to our paths. The home page for Stone crest has an interesting paragraph. They are using The Villages to sell their homes:
"At the Stone Crest Country Club you can enjoy two golf courses, play on our lighted tennis courts and pickle-ball courts, swim in the heated indoor pool or any of the outdoor pools throughout the community. Play shuffleboard, bocce ball or softball on our new softball field. Get in shape at the community gym. And take a short golf cart ride to all the amenities in The Villages, including shopping, healthcare and entertainment."

Guess they will have to change their web page. I just went to it as well---the whole page is about being "rural" without hustle and bustle of larger communities but states many enjoy living there because it offers nearby conveniences of life in The Villages. "While the area of Summerfield is fairly rural, The Villages provide conveniences and amenities which are accessible to StoneCrest Residents via golf carts"--The Villages contain approx., 200 retail stores, 60 restaurants., etc.

[JSR22]

I think we've had a discussion before about that statement. Is that the official web site for Stonecrest, Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida (http://www.thestonecrestcountryclub.com/) ??

The statement is very (intentionally, perhaps) misleading, since "amentities" as TV describes them are much, much more than the shopping, healthcare, and entertainment that they list. One might think a Stonecrest resident could come do our classes, play the courses, etc.

home page:
thestonecrestcountryclub.com

[Bruiser1]

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat?" :D

How about "Walls and Bridges" a great LP
Was Dr Winston O Boogie on THAT?:posting:

[Bruiser1]

How is it that they can put up a wall overnight and tear it down in a day or two but it takes them several months to put up a gate?

"A working class hero is something to be!":MOJE_whot:

[gomoho]

Well we all hail the snowbirds for supporting our local economy - what about the Stonecrest residents that come to eat, shop, and go to the movies. I just don't get it!
It's not like they are trying to take us over - they just want to come here on their golf cart and spend some money. If you think Stonecrest offering up TV along with what they have to offer is a problem, maybe you should have taken advantage of it. I don't believe they are coming in droves and would really even be a blip on the radar screen as far as additional traffic, but maybe the few bucks they want to spend would keep one of our merchants out the red!

[CFrance]

Well we all hail the snowbirds for supporting our local economy - what about the Stonecrest residents that come to eat, shop, and go to the movies. I just don't get it!
It's not like they are trying to take us over - they just want to come here on their golf cart and spend some money. If you think Stonecrest offering up TV along with what they have to offer is a problem, maybe you should have taken advantage of it. I don't believe they are coming in droves and would really even be a blip on the radar screen as far as additional traffic, but maybe the few bucks they want to spend would keep one of our merchants out the red!

I guess I don't understand this statement. Why would I take advantage of it if I think it's a problem?

Outsiders can come in their cars if they want to access the stores, restaurants, and entertainment of TV. In the winter months, extra golf carts are a problem.

[jbdlfan]

Well we all hail the snowbirds for supporting our local economy - what about the Stonecrest residents that come to eat, shop, and go to the movies. I just don't get it!
It's not like they are trying to take us over - they just want to come here on their golf cart and spend some money. If you think Stonecrest offering up TV along with what they have to offer is a problem, maybe you should have taken advantage of it. I don't believe they are coming in droves and would really even be a blip on the radar screen as far as additional traffic, but maybe the few bucks they want to spend would keep one of our merchants out the red!

As I have stated before, I just don't get the animosity toward these folks. I was once an "outsider" that spent thousands of dollars annualy at the eateries and golf courses. Sure I drove on your roads and carts paths. But I also helped these places stay open during the slow months. But as a current owner in TV, I say.....Let'em in.

[Xavier]

Well we all hail the snowbirds for supporting our local economy - what about the Stonecrest residents that come to eat, shop, and go to the movies. I just don't get it!
It's not like they are trying to take us over - they just want to come here on their golf cart and spend some money. If you think Stonecrest offering up TV along with what they have to offer is a problem, maybe you should have taken advantage of it. I don't believe they are coming in droves and would really even be a blip on the radar screen as far as additional traffic, but maybe the few bucks they want to spend would keep one of our merchants out the red!

You are absolutely correct, You just don't get it! It's the use of the paths, paths, paths that appear to be the problem. (sorry about the echo-effect) We love them as neighbors and welcome them with open arms to all of our non-amenity supported facilities and activities.

Xavier

[janmcn]

I guess I don't understand this statement. Why would I take advantage of it if I think it's a problem?

Outsiders can come in their cars if they want to access the stores, restaurants, and entertainment of TV. In the winter months, extra golf carts are a problem.


Does anyone think that extra cars might be a problem? Two golf carts take up the same space as one car, to say nothing of added traffic on 441/27.

[jebartle]

to see how long it will take to break the arms of the gate.....giggle:clap2::clap2:

[jbdlfan]

If they come from Stonecrest, the only path they would drive on is the bridge. Is that what this is all about? Traveling over the bridge???????

[justjim]

I think it may hurt our Stonecrest neighbors feelings but I would be for limiting extra golf carts especially during the high season. We have enough traffic to deal with without another whole subdivisions golf carts further causing more traffic.

I think I am for the gate keeping out the folks from Stonecrest in their carts.

Are you?

And we have old and treasured friends who live in Stonecrest.

It seems to me that Spruce Creek South also would be traveling TV's cart trails because of the changes recently made by Florida Legislature.

However, remember with a Street Legal Cart anyone in a nearby community can get onto the cart trails anyway and they do.

This has always seem to me "much to do about nothing". However, the Developer and his attorney apparently see it differently. Now are going to have a gate to keep outsiders from traveling into TV by that particular cart path.

Frankly, I have no dog in this fight. However, our fellow Historical side residents were right to be upset by the midnight wall. At least TV residents can get out to the doctors and health facilities in their golf carts. I suppose that some good came out of this mysterious midnight wall. Maybe it's appropriate that the gate is going up on Halloween. Wallgate finally may be put to rest. RIP

[gomoho]

Does anyone think that extra cars might be a problem? Two golf carts take up the same space as one car, to say nothing of added traffic on 441/27.

My thoughts as well - I would much rather deal with additional cart traffic than additional car traffic that is absolutely out of sight during snowbird season. And what on earth are they doing to our paths, paths, paths? Does driving on something meant to be driven on create a problem. I still don't get it. Why the animosity???

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'm not much on post Beatles solo careers. I like some of it, it's just that I focus on the years '57-'70. There's enough there to learn about.
Like Raymond Jones.

[justjim]

Winston, did you get off on the wrong Thread? Well, it is Halloween!

[ROCKETMAN]

the only thing stonecrest residents used was pay double to play on our golf courses and patronize our bars and restaurants. They went to the square and listened to music to which your amenity fee pays nothing and bought some drinks at the bar huts. What awful people.

[ROCKETMAN]

My thoughts as well - I would much rather deal with additional cart traffic than additional car traffic that is absolutely out of sight during snowbird season. And what on earth are they doing to our paths, paths, paths? Does driving on something meant to be driven on create a problem. I still don't get it. Why the animosity???

probably the same person who posted they came out of the theatre in Brownwood and there were young people milling around. How dare they mill around in our squares. Get serious

[Cajulian]

I find some of these posts on this topic very hypocritical at times. If some Villagers don't want Stonecrest people to use their Bridge to cross 441 because it is more convenient than driving, why do those same Villagers feel that they have a right to use Stonecrest golf courses because the Village golf courses are sometimes too busy.

Or why do they feel they need access beyond the Gate on others property so they can shop at Walmart and several other stores.

It seems that there should be some reciprocity in all of this. What would some of these Villagers do if they now get cut off from access to the stores they want to visit. What goes around, comes around!!

[circletrack]

OMT ... What amenities are Stonecrest residents currently enjoying without paying? I think you must be kidding around. As I'm sure you know, anyone from outside The Villages is free to shop and listen to the entertainment in the Town Squares any time ... the Town Centers are not funded by our TV amenities.

Yep, and they can drive to all the shopping and dining destinations they want in their car just like most people do who are from outside the community.

[graciegirl]

I find some of these posts on this topic very hypocritical at times. If some Villagers don't want Stonecrest people to use their Bridge to cross 441 because it is more convenient than driving, why do those same Villagers feel that they have a right to use Stonecrest golf courses because the Village golf courses are sometimes too busy.

Or why do they feel they need access beyond the Gate on others property so they can shop at Walmart and several other stores.

It seems that there should be some reciprocity in all of this. What would some of these Villagers do if they now get cut off from access to the stores they want to visit. What goes around, comes around!!


I think Stonecrest has one golf course and I am not for hurting their feelings. It would just be better to have fewer golf carts during the high season. Welcome all the rest of the time. I don't care if they are driving from Stonecrest or from Mars. It wouldn't hurt and it may help.

Stonecrest has a gate that does NOT let villagers in just automatically. Do they allow our golf carts on their course? Not sure. I am not adamant on this...just thinking that a thousand or so golf carts less during high season would make things slightly better.

[mrfixit]

How is it that they can put up a wall overnight and tear it down in a day or two but it takes them several months to put up a gate?

Drop-In Wall portions are generally one of the standardized sizes.
They are warehoused and IN Stock and immediately available.

The gate system required several RFP's to be written and then the RFQ's were written and advertised for competitive bidding.
Bids were reviewed and Vendors were vetted.
Vendors were then selected and Contracts were awarded.
Vendors had to meet the "Date Certain" requirements and have done so.

This involved.....
>>> electrical components.....
>>> underground raceway installs.....
>>> drainage.....
>>> pad and gate installs.....
>>> flatwork matching and/or machining.....
>>> ultra low-lumen night vision button cameras.....
>>> related landscape work.....
>>> and "added" security measures.

These procedures added some time to the process.

[DougB]

Don't forget the NRBQ's

[mrfixit]

Don't forget the NRBQ's

The New Rhythm & Blues Quartet ( NRBQ) did not make it
thru the Vetting process to become an Authorized Vendor.

[DougB]

The New Rhythm & Blues Quartet ( NRBQ) did not make it
thru the Vetting process to become an Authorized Vendor.

Probably because of Joey

[mrfixit]

Probably because of Joey

Maybe not our beloved Joey.....
When time for the the bidding was in process...
..... Mr. "St Nicholas" (A.K.A. "Spam-Pinata")
was still recovering from a "Wild Weekend" after
overdosing on "Mayonnaise and Marmalade."

[Rollie]

graciegirl, I don't understand your thinking. No to golf carts, but yes to more cars. Please explain.

Rollie

[DougB]

Maybe not our beloved Joey.....
When time for the the bidding was in process...
..... Mr. "St Nicholas" (A.K.A. "Spam-Pinata")
was still recovering from a "Wild Weekend" after
overdosing on "Mayonnaise and Marmalade."

Could have been all the RC Colas and Moonpies also

[leftyf]

I wonder what The Villages businesses think about "The Wall"? They will be hurt the most, not the Stonecrest residents. They can still get to Walmart and Aldi's.

[Rollie]

It's a gate, not a wall. No one is being restricted from getting to Wallmart or Aldis.

Rollie

[leftyf]

How do TV businesses feel about the wall? It will only hurt them if Stonecrest can't get there. What about the Town Squares? Will TV residents pick up the loss of business? Stonecrest will still have Walmart and Aldi's. I see nothing to be gained by this wall for anybody.

[buzzy]

I think the whole reason to prohibit outsiders' entry there is to be consistent with prohibiting access to the new section from Fruitland Park residents. Otherwise there would appear to favoritism toward the communities on the northern border.

[NoMoSno]

I think the whole reason to prohibit outsiders' entry there is to be consistent with prohibiting access to the new section from Fruitland Park residents. Otherwise there would appear to favoritism toward the communities on the northern border.

:agree:
This explains the wall...a few days before the Fruitland Park meetings.

[DandyGirl]

I remember "The Wall", a great Pink Floyd album.

That was my first thought too! Rock On! :MOJE_whot:

[jnieman]

the only thing stonecrest residents used was pay double to play on our golf courses and patronize our bars and restaurants. They went to the square and listened to music to which your amenity fee pays nothing and bought some drinks at the bar huts. What awful people.

They could blend in easier at our pools and rec centers also, don't forget that.

[senior citizen]

The Stonecrest POA put out a statement informing their residents that the new gate was being installed beginning today. Their comments expressed disappointment and frustration that they had been unable to come to some kind of agreement which would allow Stonecrest residents to get to and use the golf cart bridge to access shopping and entertainment.


So, then......the Stonecrest residents must now use their automobile?
Or what?

Out of curiousity, as we've received some adverts from that community, my husband just MapQuested the distance from a certain house in Stonecrest to Waterfront Inn, Lake Sumter Landing. See below:

"""According to MapQuest, it is 9.9 miles and 21 minute drive. BUT this IS WRONG, by cutting through The Villages, you can cut the miles and time in half.
MapQuest took you on the "Highway System", thus a longer drive.
I would guess about a 5 mile drive and 10 minutes (No traffic)"""
************************************************** *******************************************

Via the highway, it was approximately nine miles. He does believe, however, that if someone really wanted to take their golf cart, rather than use the highway as MapQuest directed......there are streets "within" The Villages that they could zig zag to get to Lake Sumter Landing..........or wherever they wanted to end up.

For that distance WE OURSELVES would most definitely use our air conditioned car. Nine miles seems a long distance in a golf cart in the heat.

I do not think the gate or the wall or whatever it truly is will stop those folks from shopping and dining in The Villages.

Having been a merchant himself, with a thriving retail store, had he announced that he would only serve people in our small town of 16,000 souls............and turn away all of the ones who came down from the ski mountain towns a half hour away........or over the border small towns in N.Y State or over the border in Massachusetts (We are close to Williams College in Williamstown, MA........about fifteen minutes away).........he'd never have been as successful as he was.

He drew customers from a huge vicinity by advertising in all of their small newspapers as well as our larger daily paper, plus t.v. and radio ads.

He welcomed them from all the surrounding areas.......and beyond.

So, he can relate to the merchants within the three squares in TV as well as those out on the highways which are open to all people, correct???

However, to put things in perspective, we both understand that if all of a sudden people from 15 miles away began all walking their dogs on our little short cul de sac street.........it would get dicey.

Or, if they connected the end of our street to a distant neighborhood.......and then everyone wanted to take our street as the "shortcut" to our hospital rather than go down the other road and take the present hospital access road...............then we would lose our quiet sleepy little cul de sac neighborhood and peaceful intimate atmosphere.

We always can understand everyone's viewpoint.

In our humble opinion, all viewpoints are valuable.....even if they diverge.

We've lived long enough to know that not everyone thinks alike and that we and they are basically coming from their own "life experience"; thus, we respect all viewpoints.

If everyone thought the same, how boring would that be?

p.s.
A last wondering...........when I looked up application forms for The Villages Lifelong Learning College........at the bottom it said that all applicants must be 18 years and older?

So, that would then include 18 year olds from the surrounding towns that are not 55+ communities?

Would Stonecrest residents be allowed to take classes at the Lifelong Learning College within the Villages???

I notice it is near the high school and charter school......probably on that highway where the restaurants, etc. are........it's been awhile.

Stonecrest also seems to be right below Lake Weir which does have a nice sandy beach for the grandkids........plus a casual seafood restaurant right at the beach.

Any Stonecrest residents out there???? who read this?

Someone mentioned that they do not have more than one golf course?
I think I read that they have an indoor pool plus several outdoor pools and several rec centers plus several golf courses.

The home we were looking at (similar to others we've looked at) had a birdcaged solar heated pool and large lanai, outdoor shower, on three fairways of the golf course.......

Over 2,000++ sq. ft. of home, golf cart garage plus two car garage, open floor plan.......3 bedrooms,2 bathrooms.......really nice Jacuzzi tub, huge bathroom........plus guest bath.

I think it was the 16th, 17th and 18th fairways........out in the back yard, so to speak.

$289,000 asking price, low taxes.........definitely would be DOUBLE that in TV. It supposedly has a manned gate. Will have to take a look when we come.........soon. We will look at everything and then make up our minds.

[tucson]

People living in Stone Crest and Del Webb Spruce Creek CAN use the Lifelong Learning College :-) !! (For about $5.00 more than the TV residents)

[DonH57]

So what or will the Stonecrest and others do now? Take an automobile to the squares or just shoot across 441 and unload their cart off a trailer to shop, eat and listen to the music. It would be a lot of work but someone will do it if they want to bad enough.

[rayschic]

All of our gates have a button that you can press to activate the gate. Will this gate be any different ? Won't the Stonecrest people just be able to push the button ?

[jnieman]

All of our gates have a button that you can press to activate the gate. Will this gate be any different ? Won't the Stonecrest people just be able to push the button ?

That's a good point rayschic I wonder if they will put the red button at the gate. It might defeat the purpose of the gate if they do. When I moved here I remember someone telling me that none of the golf cart paths were supposed to be accessible by those outside the Villages. I assumed this was because they wanted to keep the novelty of the golf cart travel inside our bubble.

[linko38]

My thoughts as well - I would much rather deal with additional cart traffic than additional car traffic that is absolutely out of sight during snowbird season. And what on earth are they doing to our paths, paths, paths? Does driving on something meant to be driven on create a problem. I still don't get it. Why the animosity???

Yep my thought exactly. I live in Stonecrest. I have traveled via golf cart maybe 5 times this whole year. One time was to meet people who were looking to buy a house here in the area. I recently talked to a lady who was renting in the Villages when the wall went up. She was so turned off she bought in Stonecrest. She saw the hateful attitude toward Stonecresters and decided "The Villages" was not too friendly. Only to fellow Villagers it seems. Yet I attended a talent show at Stonecrest and sat next to a gentleman from the Villages. He thinks this is all ridiculous. Lifes to short to be vindictive and shallow. In the words of Rodney King..RIP "Can't We All Just Get Along"?

[linko38]

How do TV businesses feel about the wall? It will only hurt them if Stonecrest can't get there. What about the Town Squares? Will TV residents pick up the loss of business? Stonecrest will still have Walmart and Aldi's. I see nothing to be gained by this wall for anybody.

The Duke energy path is still in question. This gate might make other businesses think twice. What happens if Harbor Chase puts up a fence so NO one can get through? Hmmm? Then everyone is miserable! It could happen.

[Number 6]

I'm not much on post Beatles solo careers. I like some of it, it's just that I focus on the years '57-'70. There's enough there to learn about.
Like Raymond Jones.

So do you think Raymond Jones is/was a real person?

[Mikeod]

All of our gates have a button that you can press to activate the gate. Will this gate be any different ? Won't the Stonecrest people just be able to push the button ?

I believe it was stated that this gate will not have a button, so TV residents need to be sure they have a gate pass in order to return. Or wait for someone who does and tailgate them through the gate.

[Ooper]

Looking at the majority of complaints, they seem to be from the Stonecrest residents because now they can't get to our area via golf carts. They have dining and golf facilities that the public can use and The Villages' residents can't get their via golf cart. Why is what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander?

[Cajulian]

Gracie and Ooper, you are both wrong on several points. You can get access at the Stonecrest gate just by stating that you are using the Golf Facilities or eating at the Club House.

So yes, Villagers do have access into Stonecrest facilities and do use the Golf course regularly due to the busy courses in the Villages. And yes they do use their own carts.

Also, Gracie you felt it would be nice "if there were a 1000 less golf carts" during the winter months when it is busy. Really!! Did you know there are only 1900 homes in Stonecrest? That would mean you think that Stonecrest creates golf cart traffic of 1000 carts!!

Now that sounds very silly to me. That's about 50% of the carts in Stonecrest.

Way too much hypocrisy for me. Stonecrest people don't create any problems that should be worried about.

Too much worry about nothing.

[graciegirl]

Gracie and Ooper, you are both wrong on several points. You can get access at the Stonecrest gate just by stating that you are using the Golf Facilities or eating at the Club House.

So yes, Villagers do have access into Stonecrest facilities and do use the Golf course regularly due to the busy courses in the Villages. And yes they do use their own carts.

Also, Gracie you felt it would be nice "if there were a 1000 less golf carts" during the winter months when it is busy. Really!! Did you know there are only 1900 homes in Stonecrest? That would mean you think that Stonecrest creates golf cart traffic of 1000 carts!!

Now that sounds very silly to me. That's about 50% of the carts in Stonecrest.

Way too much hypocrisy for me. Stonecrest people don't create any problems that should be worried about.

Too much worry about nothing.

Welcome to the forum.

Where one lives is a their own personal choice.

I feel protective and concerned with the traffic in The Villages because that is where we chose to live.

Today as I was driving the golf cart I noticed that the population has begun to increase signaling the start of the busy season. At many crossings, golf carts were lined up.

We have puh-lenty golf carts belonging to Villagers at this time of year. We don't need any more. This is the time of year when people are more frequently in accidents and heavier traffic doesn't help.

We are building here at an astonishing rate and many people have chosen to live here in The Villages.

I ask that all people who drive golf carts and cars be very, very careful.

We all want to be here next year at this time. Happily in Stonecrest, and happily in The Villages.

[Ooper]

Gracie and Ooper, you are both wrong on several points. You can get access at the Stonecrest gate just by stating that you are using the Golf Facilities or eating at the Club House.

Yes!... But to do this, you have to drive your cart down the road past the car wash and through the main gate as you would a full sized auto. You cannot get there using the golf cart gates behind Walmart as they require an opener. If you have to use their main gate, why would one want to go that route in a golf cart? The Stonecrest residents are more than welcomed to drive their autos to our town squares, restaurants, and golf courses and spend their money. There is nothing they need, nor anywhere they need to go in The Villages that requires them to use our multimodal paths. Just my opinion.

[golf2140]

I don't think issue was all about Stonecrest. I read where the new care facility built next to The Villages was advertising cart access to The Villages. There must be 200 residential units in that building. If I took all the risk to build The Villages, I wouldn't want an outsider to ride on my parade. Just my thought.

[linko38]

So, then......the Stonecrest residents must now use their automobile?
Or what?

Out of curiousity, as we've received some adverts from that community, my husband just MapQuested the distance from a certain house in Stonecrest to Waterfront Inn, Lake Sumter Landing. See bel
"""According to MapQuest, it is 9.9 miles and 21 minute drive. BUT this IS WRONG, by cutting through The Villages, you can cut the miles and time in half.
MapQuest took you on the "Highway System", thus a longer drive.
I would guess about a 5 mile drive and 10 minutes (No traffic)"""
************************************************** *******************************************

Via the highway, it was approximately nine miles. He does believe, however, that if someone really wanted to take their golf cart, rather than use the highway as MapQuest directed......there are streets "within" The Villages that they could zig zag to get to Lake Sumter Landing..........or wherever they wanted to end up.

For that distance WE OURSELVES would most definitely use our air conditioned car. Nine miles seems a long distance in a golf cart in the heat.

I do not think the gate or the wall or whatever it truly is will stop those folks from shopping and dining in The Villages.

Having been a merchant himself, with a thriving retail store, had he announced that he would only serve people in our small town of 16,000 souls............and turn away all of the ones who came down from the ski mountain towns a half hour away........or over the border small towns in N.Y State or over the border in Massachusetts (We are close to Williams College in Williamstown, MA........about fifteen minutes away).........he'd never have been as successful a he was.

He drew customers from a huge vicinity by advertising in all of their small newspapers as well as our larger daily paper, plus t.v. and radio ads.

He welcomed them from all the surrounding areas.......and beyond.

So, he can relate to the merchants within the three squares in TV as well as those out on the highways which are open to all people, correct???

However, to put things in perspective, we both understand that if all of a sudden people from 15 miles away began all walking their dogs on our little short cul de sac street.........it would get dicey.

Or, if they connected the end of our street to a distant neighborhood.......and then everyone wanted to take our street as the "shortcut" to our hospital rather than go down the other road and take the present hospital access road...............then we would lose our quiet sleepy little cul de sac neighborhood and peaceful intimate atmosphere.

We always can understand everyone's viewpoint.

In our humble opinion, all viewpoints are valuable.....even if they diverge.

We've lived long enough to know that not everyone thinks alike and that we and they are basically coming from their own "life experience"; thus, we respect all viewpoints.

If everyone thought the same, how boring would that be?

p.s.
A last wondering...........when I looked up application forms for The Villages Lifelong Learning College........at the bottom it said that all applicants must be 18 years and older?

So, that would then include 18 year olds from the surrounding towns that are not 55+ communities?

Would Stonecrest residents be allowed to take classes at the Lifelong Learning College within the Villages???

I notice it is near the high school and charter school......probably on that highway where the restaurants, etc. are........it's been awhile.

Stonecrest also seems to be right below Lake Weir which does have a nice sandy beach for the grandkids........plus a casual seafood restaurant right at the beach.

Any Stonecrest residents out there???? who read this?

Someone mentioned that they do not have more than one golf course?
I think I read that they have an indoor pool plus several outdoor pools and several rec centers plus several golf courses.

The home we were looking at (similar to others we've looked at) had a birdcaged solar heated pool and large lanai, outdoor shower, on three fairways of the golf course.......

Over 2,000++ sq. ft. of home, golf cart garage plus two car garage, open floor plan.......3 bedrooms,2 bathrooms.......really nice Jacuzzi tub, huge bathroom........plus guest bath.

I think it was the 16th, 17th and 18th fairways........out in the back yard, so to speak.

$289,000 asking price, low taxes.........definitely would be DOUBLE that in TV. It supposedly has a manned gate. Will have to take a look when we come.........soon. We will look at everything and then make up our minds.

You owe it to yourself to check us out. My husband and I have lived here almost five years. We love it. More house for your money. Quiet and peaceful. Lots of activities. You won't be disappointed.

[buggyone]

Basically, let the Stonecrest residents get upset that they cannot drive a golf cart onto our private multi-modal trails. Do I care about them? No!

If they wanted Villages amenities, they should have bought in The Villages.

[senior citizen]

People living in Stone Crest and Del Webb Spruce Creek CAN use the Lifelong Learning College :-) !! (For about $5.00 more than the TV residents)


Thank you Tuscson. Appreciate that.

I figured being it was on a main highway, it might just be available to all, but was not certain.

Not to mention that the age limit was 18 years old and up, with TV being an age restricted community.........some attendees of the L.L.C. must come from outside the "campus" as some call TV, meaning all the myriad of surrounding towns and 55+ communities, not just Stonecrest.

[senior citizen]

You owe it to yourself to check us out. My husband and I have lived here almost five years. We love it. More house for your money. Quiet and peaceful. Lots of activities. You won't be disappointed.

Quiet and peaceful sounds exactly like our own long lived personal "lifestyle".....

We will most definitely give it a look when we arrive......our plan is to look at everything.
Thank you.

[rubicon]

graciegirl, I don't understand your thinking. No to golf carts, but yes to more cars. Please explain.

Rollie



Rollie I happen to agree with GG. Its not about the golf carts Its about the in your face fact that we can escape certain costs and still have the same Lifestyle experiences.

The Developer is right in preventing this sort of abuse because of the aforementioned . How does a sales person address that question "why should I pay $XXX when I can have the same things living down the street and paying $XXX

I wish he could build an entire wall around entirely around The Village. On the other hand I understand agree and welcome anyone to the public squares and if it were not done would encourage it

Frankly the golf cart thing is not important to me. I only use my golf cart for golf and often walk the executive courses and when I do I drive my car over to the course. but the "free mentality thing"does concern me because of the issue of abuse. where does it stop. This isn't a little matter this is a basis for gradual but continuing abuse that can and will affect quality of life here...if I can drive the cart paths why can't I use the executive courses, the swimming pools, the ..........................it is the way some people think

If I can wear casual clothes to work why can't I wear sandals and cut off jeans what's the diff mentality

[senior citizen]

Rollie I happen to agree with GG. Its not about the golf carts Its about the in your face fact that we can escape certain costs and still have the same Lifestyle experiences.

The Developer is right in preventing this sort of abuse because of the aforementioned . How does a sales person address that question "why should I pay $XXX when I can have the same things living down the street and paying $XXX

I wish he could build an entire wall around entirely around The Village. On the other hand I understand agree and welcome anyone to the public squares and if it were not done would encourage it

Frankly the golf cart thing is not important to me. I only use my golf cart for golf and often walk the executive courses and when I do I drive my car over to the course. but the "free mentality thing"does concern me because of the issue of abuse. where does it stop. This isn't a little matter this is a basis for gradual but continuing abuse that can and will affect quality of life here...if I can drive the cart paths why can't I use the executive courses, the swimming pools, the ..........................it is the way some people think

If I can wear casual clothes to work why can't I wear sandals and cut off jeans what's the diff mentality


But not everyone thinks like that........truthfully. A lot of the homes in Stonecrest have their own pools.
So, why would anyone want to drive a golf cart all the way to TV to swim in their pools?

The home we rented in TV had a pool under a birdcage off the lanai. It was so nice.......our son and daughter in law and baby loved it.........no need to even use the Villages community family pool, although we did have the passes.

If say, we were to buy outside of The Villages, and wanted to bring our guests for dinner at the Lighthouse Restaurant or Waterfront Inn, we would drive our car.......not use a golf cart.

When we visited TV for over one month, we used our car all the time.........as it was airconditioned. If we went shopping, we definitely needed the car.....

The only time my husband used the golf cart was for a very short spin to Subway or to take our daughter in law on a short cruise around. Then she and our son did the same.......very short distance from the home we rented.

No one used the golf carts to go very far at all.......certainly not over those highways to Stonecrest or Walmart or Aldis....etc...or even the town squares in TV. Too far and too hot. The auto traffic was busy enough.

I really wouldn't worry.......myself personally, about being swamped with golf carts if we buy in THE VILLAGES...........

[Golf View]

A crew started working on it today when i went by.

Stonecrest people are outraged, they want to enjoy our amenities with out paying for it.

Which amenities would that be? They want to come over & spend money at our shops & restaurants. Their golf carts would take up less parking space than their autos.

[Ooper]

Which amenities would that be?

Mainly our multimodal paths that The Villages residents pay to build and maintain. Let outsiders use public thoroughfares.

[livsea2]

Mainly our multimodal paths that The Villages residents pay to build and maintain. Let outsiders use public thoroughfares.

Well using the same logic the "public roads" in Marion county were built and are maintained by the village residents. Should they also be off limits to all except residents of that village. I mean we can extrapolate that logic to nonsensical extremes if you wish. Maybe we just exclude non county residents? Non Florida residents? Non US residents? Once you choose to exclude you must choose who to exclude.

[mulligan]

I think the thing that confuses me about these "wall" discussions is that any carts that might enter at the "berlin wall" would use PUBLIC streets to get to the bridge, and then public streets to move around the SS area. When they decided to go to LSL, they would be on a private multi-modal trail from the gate on Morse @466, to the roundabout at LSL. I really don't see that as a major wear and tear problem. Sounds like the only issue might be from a marketing point of view, with outside developments selling "access" to TV amenities. The large Provident assisted living complex @ 466A & powell Rd is selling the same way, telling prospective renters that they will provide transportation to "Villages Amenities" ( I personally experienced this when investigating the project as a possible home for my mother).

[senior citizen]

Which amenities would that be? They want to come over & spend money at our shops & restaurants. Their golf carts would take up less parking space than their autos.

Exactly what I said earlier about my husband being a merchant and welcoming all people from all surrounding areas and not limiting his customer base to only those who lived in our small town of 16,000. We are surrounded by farmlands and the Green Mountain Forest........so the ones out in the "boondocks" up in the mountains and out in the countryside would come "down into town" to shop...........any wise businessman knows you do not build walls or pit people against people.........this isn't Nazi Germany. This is a historical comment, not a "P" one.

This entire dialogue does not sound very friendly to me......

No matter where we end up, I still believe it is a free country.

Again, if people have their own inground pools, why would they want to swim in TV's pools? They also have their own golf courses and their own rec centers. Apparently they enjoy a smaller population base and the peace and quiet as another mentioned. Different strokes for different folks.

Traffic congestion I do understand.

If it bothered me, I'd live where there is no traffic.

The way TV is set up, there is a lot of traffic on those interior main roads where all the stores and restaurants are. The back streets in the neighborhoods are fine.

I would bet that after awhile of living in TV, people discover short cuts around "town" just as we knew which way to avoid our "leaf peepers" when they'd flock up here every October.......after 911 it tapered off, but that's also when a lot of them fled the metro areas for Vermont, perceiving it as safe.........ha. It still is relatively safe.......and the drug lords are on the run.....out of town. Be careful you don't scare away all of your potential home buyers. Not talking to you Golf View.

All of the adverts we get claim that TV is the Friendliest Town....

I still believe that it is......but it just takes a few to upset the apple cart.

[CFrance]

Exactly what I said earlier about my husband being a merchant and welcoming all people from all surrounding areas and not limiting his customer base to only those who lived in our small town of 16,000. We are surrounded by farmlands and the Green Mountain Forest........so the ones out in the "boondocks" up in the mountains and out in the countryside would come "down into town" to shop...........any wise businessman knows you do not build walls or pit people against people.........this isn't Nazi Germany. This is a historical comment, not a "P" one.

This entire dialogue does not sound very friendly to me......

No matter where we end up, I still believe it is a free country.

Again, if people have their own inground pools, why would they want to swim in TV's pools? They also have their own golf courses and their own rec centers. Apparently they enjoy a smaller population base and the peace and quiet as another mentioned. Different strokes for different folks.

Traffic congestion I do understand.

If it bothered me, I'd live where there is no traffic.

The way TV is set up, there is a lot of traffic on those interior main roads where all the stores and restaurants are. The back streets in the neighborhoods are fine.

I would bet that after awhile of living in TV, people discover short cuts around "town" just as we knew which way to avoid our "leaf peepers" when they'd flock up here every October.......after 911 it tapered off, but that's also when a lot of them fled the metro areas for Vermont, perceiving it as safe.........ha. It still is relatively safe.......and the drug lords are on the run.....out of town. Be careful you don't scare away all of your potential home buyers. Not talking to you Golf View.

All of the adverts we get claim that TV is the Friendliest Town....

I still believe that it is......but it just takes a few to upset the apple cart.

Some of this is confusing to me, especially what's highlighted. Would you invite people to park in your driveway if it meant making it more difficult for you to get out of your garage? It's not a case of living somewhere where there is less traffic. It's a case of preventing traffic overload where you already live.

[senior citizen]

Some of this is confusing to me, especially what's highlighted. Would you invite people to park in your driveway if it meant making it more difficult for you to get out of your garage? It's not a case of living somewhere where there is less traffic. It's a case of preventing traffic overload where you already live.

Who would be parking in anyone's driveway?

I understand the concern about excessive traffic.

Would they really park in your driveway?

[CFrance]

Who would be parking in anyone's driveway?

I understand the concern about excessive traffic.

Would they really park in your driveway?

It was a metaphor.

[graciegirl]

Exactly what I said earlier about my husband being a merchant and welcoming all people from all surrounding areas and not limiting his customer base to only those who lived in our small town of 16,000. We are surrounded by farmlands and the Green Mountain Forest........so the ones out in the "boondocks" up in the mountains and out in the countryside would come "down into town" to shop...........any wise businessman knows you do not build walls or pit people against people.........this isn't Nazi Germany. This is a historical comment, not a "P" one.

This entire dialogue does not sound very friendly to me......

No matter where we end up, I still believe it is a free country.

Again, if people have their own inground pools, why would they want to swim in TV's pools? They also have their own golf courses and their own rec centers. Apparently they enjoy a smaller population base and the peace and quiet as another mentioned. Different strokes for different folks.

Traffic congestion I do understand.

If it bothered me, I'd live where there is no traffic.

The way TV is set up, there is a lot of traffic on those interior main roads where all the stores and restaurants are. The back streets in the neighborhoods are fine.

I would bet that after awhile of living in TV, people discover short cuts around "town" just as we knew which way to avoid our "leaf peepers" when they'd flock up here every October.......after 911 it tapered off, but that's also when a lot of them fled the metro areas for Vermont, perceiving it as safe.........ha. It still is relatively safe.......and the drug lords are on the run.....out of town. Be careful you don't scare away all of your potential home buyers. Not talking to you Golf View.

All of the adverts we get claim that TV is the Friendliest Town....

I still believe that it is......but it just takes a few to upset the apple cart.

Senior, I am SO looking forward to you being here FULL TIME so all this makes a little more sense to you and to me. I LOVE people. We have two friends of 40 years who live in Stonecrest. We were young parents together in Indianapolis. We enjoy them and think they are smart and nice and wonderful and are glad that they come to The Villages and visit us and go to the restaurants and shops and do whatever they like here.

However, when they moved to this area a few years back, they had the same option to move to The Villages or Stonecrest or any of the other local developments as any of us did. There are perks and deficits wherever you choose to live.

We cannot do some of the things at Stonecrest that they can do. AND vice versa.

I am NOT adamant or anguished or concerned at all about the gate. It isn't causing my blood pressure to rise one tiny bit. It just makes sense to have some restrictions. OR NOT. If someone presents a good argument I will change my mind.

Who told you I was two faced? What does two faced mean? I try to be genuine to all and honest, but not brutal.

[tucson]

Thank you Tuscson. Appreciate that.

I figured being it was on a main highway, it might just be available to all, but was not certain.

Not to mention that the age limit was 18 years old and up, with TV being an age restricted community.........some attendees of the L.L.C. must come from outside the "campus" as some call TV, meaning all the myriad of surrounding towns and 55+ communities, not just Stonecrest.

After living in TV for 8 yrs, we decided that for our desires in our lives, (right now) it was more advantageous to buy just outside TV in a 55+community that's very similar to TV, but also just a few miles away to still do the things we did while living in TV. We are very happy & believe we made the right decision by moving to Del Webb. I drive less miles NOW to TV than when I lived in TV to the same stores I used then. (I still use my golf cart golfing at Del Webb like I did in TV, I never did use the golf cart much going shopping, dining, etc., so I could care less about that concern. ( it's no big deal) I always was more concerned to be in an air-condioned car & getting to my destination quicker than driving in a hot,slow golf cart. My 8 yr. old house (on the golf course) that we bought in D.W. would cost me probably 550,000 in TV. I bought it for way under 250,000. a few mos. ago, to me it's a no-brainer, just sayin..... :-) We have many clubs, a huge community bldg., 3 big pools, a real nice fully equipped fitness ctr.( that's included in the amenity fee) w/a indoor exercise pool and spa, complete w/trainers, Massage Therapists, fitness classes, dance classes, yoga,etc,etc. When you come down to the area you should really ck it out) :smiley:

[senior citizen]

Senior, I am SO looking forward to you being here FULL TIME so all this makes a little more sense to you and to me. I LOVE people. We have two friends of 40 years who live in Stonecrest. We were young parents together in Indianapolis. We enjoy them and think they are smart and nice and wonderful and are glad that they come to The Villages and visit us and go to the restaurants and shops and do whatever they like here.

However, when they moved to this area a few years back, they had the same option to move to The Villages or Stonecrest or any of the other local developments as any of us did. There are perks and deficits wherever you choose to live.

We cannot do some of the things at Stonecrest that they can do. AND vice versa.

I am NOT adamant or anguished or concerned at all about the gate. It isn't causing my blood pressure to rise one tiny bit. It just makes sense to have some restrictions. OR NOT. If someone presents a good argument I will change my mind.

Who told you I was two faced? What does two faced mean? I try to be genuine to all and honest, but not brutal.


You were an English teacher, supposedly? Right? After being a kindergarten teacher.

Actually, I do not divulge personal confidences in public forum.
Unlike some folks.

But here's a good quote........


"Be careful who you trust, because as quickly as they say they are your friend is as quickly as they can turn their backs on you."

Let's just say I don't get the humor.......and leave it at that.

Authentic and honest is what everyone should strive for, especially at our ages. My husband and I are not yet in our second childhoods......

PEACE

[senior citizen]

After living in TV for 8 yrs, we decided that for our desires in our lives, (right now) it was more advantageous to buy just outside TV in a 55+community that's very similar to TV, but also just a few miles away to still do the things we did while living in TV. We are very happy & believe we made the right decision by moving to Del Webb. I drive less miles NOW to TV than when I lived in TV to the same stores I used then. (I still use my golf cart golfing at Del Webb like I did in TV, I never did use the golf cart much going shopping, dining, etc., so I could care less about that concern. ( it's no big deal) I always was more concerned to be in an air-condioned car & getting to my destination quicker than driving in a hot,slow golf cart. My 8 yr. old house (on the golf course) that we bought in D.W. would cost me probably 550,000 in TV. I bought it for way under 250,000. a few mos. ago, to me it's a no-brainer, just sayin..... :-) We have many clubs, a huge community bldg., 3 big pools, a real nice fully equipped fitness ctr.( that's included in the amenity fee) w/a indoor exercise pool and spa, complete w/trainers, Massage Therapists, fitness classes, dance classes, yoga,etc,etc. When you come down to the area you should really ck it out) :smiley:


Thank you so much for sharing your own personal experiences and opinion.
It's how my husband has felt all along..........re the prices and what you get for them. It sounds as if you have the best of all worlds.......

Is your Del Webb the one near Tampa or the one in Summerfield, Florida?
I'm not sure if Spruce Creek is a Del Webb community? I know that Stonecrest is built by Armstrong Homes.......

My husband's cousin lives in Spring Hill north of Tampa but below Brooksville, Florida...........not sure if that is a Del Webb.

Again, thanks for sharing and we do value your insight.

[graciegirl]

You were an English teacher, supposedly? Right? After being a kindergarten teacher.

Actually, I do not divulge personal confidences in public forum.
Unlike some folks.

But here's a good quote........


"Be careful who you trust, because as quickly as they say they are your friend is as quickly as they can turn their backs on you."

Let's just say I don't get the humor.......and leave it at that.

Authentic and honest is what everyone should strive for, especially at our ages. My husband and I are not yet in our second childhoods......

PEACE

I was NEVER an English Teacher.

I was NEVER an English Major.

I have NEVER even been arrested.

I am an uneducated farm girl.

[Peachie]

Who would be parking in anyone's driveway?

I understand the concern about excessive traffic.

Would they really park in your driveway?

It's difficult to believe all this prattle has been resurrected as to how horrible The Villages is for maintaining the product it has built and charged it's residents accordingly to live within it's perimeters and have the special perks that come within those home prices and fees.

For Stonecrester's to assume the "holier than thou attitude" is probably the most upsetting. Stonecrester's don't want to live in The Village's, many make disparaging remarks about The Villages, (the remark a woman from Stonecrest made at an earlier gate meeting which Gracie reported, comes to mind...) and that The Villages isn't friendly because we won't kowtow to Stonecrest is laughable.

To those Stonecrester's I say, punch a hole in your wall so everyone from The Villages can enter your compound at will so we can use what is available to us to use. We won't use anything we shouldn't. Why should we have the hassle at the front gate and go through clearance, that's extra effort to be able to access Stonecrest and we find it a great hardship.

And while you're at it, Stonecrest, make a hole at the other end of the compound too because that would make it much easier for the street legals from The Villages to get to the streets on the backside.

Someone posted on here that they only come in about 5 times a year and ripped on how wrong it is to put that gate in place, SERIOUSLY? Getting in your car 5 times a year to do the little business you have to do in The Villages does not sound like a problem to me.

People, there isn't a problem with this gate being reinstalled, (remember, there was one there previously). If one feels one needs to have the ready access to businesses located in The Villages by regular golf cart, move to The Villages, period. Stonecrest is more than welcome to use their autos in The Villages as that is the way this community was designed.

If we all respect each others communities, there will be strong healthy relationships between the us. We don't want Stonecrest to provide or do things for us that is not in their design, we ask for the same.

Senior, think about this scenerio... you move to The Villages and your neighbor across the street asks you to leave your front door and back door unlocked so they can get to the neighbor's house behind you quickly and they won't touch anything in your house on the way through. That way they wouldn't have to jump on their bike to travel to their friend"s house. Good arrangement for everyone, right?

[dillywho]

I was NEVER an English Teacher.

I was NEVER an English Major.

I have NEVER even been arrested.

I am an uneducated farm girl.

But you are one of the kindest, caring, most honest people (persons?) I have ever known and am proud to call you my friend. What you see is what you get. Thank you for being you. :BigApplause:

[tucson]

Thank you so much for sharing your own personal experiences and opinion.
It's how my husband has felt all along..........re the prices and what you get for them. It sounds as if you have the best of all worlds.......

Is your Del Webb the one near Tampa or the one in Summerfield, Florida?
I'm not sure if Spruce Creek is a Del Webb community? I know that Stonecrest is built by Armstrong Homes.......

My husband's cousin lives in Spring Hill north of Tampa but below Brooksville, Florida...........not sure if that is a Del Webb.

Again, thanks for sharing and we do value your insight.

I live in Spruce Creek/Del Webb in Summerfield, it was built by Del Webb, although there are houses also built by Pulte and another builder (I don't know the name) I did look at Del Webb in Tampa in 2004 but we did not like the location.

[senior citizen]

I live in Spruce Creek/Del Webb in Summerfield, it was built by Del Webb, although there are houses also built by Pulte and another builder (I don't know the name) I did look at Del Webb in Tampa in 2004 but we did not like the location.


O.K......looked at a map to see were both communities were.
Thank you.....

We plan to look at it all.........the sooner the better, hopefully.

[cbv0211]

Agree with Rubicon. When we were exploring retirement places in Central FL we noticed that many advertised that they were "close to The Villages." We wanted to be IN The Villages...not just close to The Villages. Stonecrest is going to have to change their advertising and delete the part about "golf cart" access to The Villages. If someone wants golf cart access to The Villages then they are going to have to buy in The Villages. Surprised that the developer has not shut down outside golf cart access well before this. They are in this to sell property/homes and make money and not friends. The residents outside of The Villages end up dealing with the results of the decisions.

[senior citizen]

I was NEVER an English Teacher.

I was NEVER an English Major.

I have NEVER even been arrested.

I am an uneducated farm girl.

Unless I'm going senile, Gracie, you did say over and over again that you were a teacher. Do you have a twin sister???? Either that, or someone is impersonating you when you are sleeping.

To be a teacher, one has to go to college and then some.

[Peachie]

Unless I'm going senile, Gracie, you did say over and over again that you were a teacher. Do you have a twin sister???? Either that, or someone is impersonating you when you are sleeping.

To be a teacher, one has to go to college and then some.

Why is Grace's occupation/education in this debate? Divulge your education and occupation, Senior, and maybe we'll start a new thread.

But... getting back to business. I find it interesting that you, Senior, have assumed the position that The Villages business model needs to be tweeked to accommodate Stonecrest.

Of further interest on your position regarding the gate matter is the fact that you are not invested here and really wouldn't be bothered by removing the gate. Do you counsel NY City also as to how they should run their business model? If you live in The Villages, you MAY have a greater understanding of the issue.

Have you considered the homes that align the access path through The Villages and the additional noise/fumes they are subjected to by allowing additional cart traffic?

Please take all of the above into consideration and leave the occupations and education of others out of the thread.

[sidgin]

the gate will not keep Stonecrest residents out: they have friends who will meet them at the gate or share their passes.

[Cajulian]

Ooper, again you are very mistaken in your statements. Stonecrest people mostly use Public roads to get to the Crossover Bridge and then most often just park in the lot over the Bridge. If they do travel in Spanish Springs, it is on Public roads not the multiple-modal paths.

Mostly, if they go to Sumter Landing, it is by auto, as it is a bit far by cart.

So, your fears of use or over-use of the multi-modal paths by Stonecrest carts is a gross exaggeration and not based on facts.

[Ooper]

Well using the same logic the "public roads" in Marion county were built and are maintained by the village residents.

I believe public roads within The Villages in Marion county were built the same as as Sumter and Lake Counties. The only roads built by TV are the roads within the villa communities, which is the same thoughout TV. Public roads are just that, public roads. That is why we cannot have a true "gated" community and have to allow access to anyone... the fact that the roads were built with public funds and not the developer's funds. We cannot exclude the public.

[senior citizen]

Why is Grace's occupation/education in this debate? Divulge your education and occupation, Senior, and maybe we'll start a new thread.

But... getting back to business. I find it interesting that you, Senior, have assumed the position that The Villages business model needs to be tweeked to accommodate Stonecrest.

Of further interest on your position regarding the gate matter is the fact that you are not invested here and really wouldn't be bothered by removing the gate. Do you counsel NY City also as to how they should run their business model? If you live in The Villages, you MAY have a greater understanding of the issue.

Have you considered the homes that align the access path through The Villages and the additional noise/fumes they are subjected to by allowing additional cart traffic?

Please take all of the above into consideration and leave the occupations and education of others out of the thread.


Simply put, she asked me for a definition of a phrase.

Having stated many times she was a teacher, I figured she'd know the definition.

The rest I shall ignore as you are blowing it out of proportion re innocent dialogue and "back and forth" commentary between many posters and myself..........always learning something new on TOTV.

[Ooper]

Ooper, again you are very mistaken in your statements. Stonecrest people mostly use Public roads to get to the Crossover Bridge and then most often just park in the lot over the Bridge. If they do travel in Spanish Springs, it is on Public roads not the multiple-modal paths.

Mostly, if they go to Sumter Landing, it is by auto, as it is a bit far by cart.

So, your fears of use or over-use of the multi-modal paths by Stonecrest carts is a gross exaggeration and not based on facts.

First off, I don't have any fears of over use, that was from another poster. Secondly, is not the path at the base of the bridge going through the park area as well as the path where they are putting the gate in where "the wall" was located, both multimodal paths? The path at the west end of the bridge around the tip of the pond is also a multimodal path.

[Peachie]

Simply put, she asked me for a definition of a phrase.

Having stated many times she was a teacher, I figured she'd know the definition.

The rest I shall ignore as you are blowing it out of proportion re innocent dialogue and "back and forth" commentary between many posters and myself..........always learning something new on TOTV.

Yes, best to ignore the fact that commentary regarding the gate would probably be most relative if its from the property owners in the two communities being discussed.

[graciegirl]

Senior. I can't be serious for very long. I was a kindergarten teacher and I say I am uneducated because most of what I learned when I sat next to Martha Washington in el ed classes at Ohio State has now been replaced with new and more current stuff.

I am not an English major. We love to pull their legs on this forum.

I am always up for a little fun.

A sense of humor is hard to convey in print sometimes.

[Xavier]

I believe public roads within The Villages in Marion county were built and are maintained the same as as Sumter and Lake Counties. The only roads maintained by TV are the roads within the villa communities, which is the same thoughout TV. Public roads are just that, public roads. That is why we cannot have a true "gated" community and have to allow access to anyone... the fact that the roads were built with public funds and not the developer's funds. We cannot exclude the public.

Then you would be wrong!

Xavier

[CFrance]

We just saw a car driving on the multi-modal path along Belvedere. Could it be a disgruntled Stonecrester?? :boom:

[linko38]

Agree with Rubicon. When we were exploring retirement places in Central FL we noticed that many advertised that they were "close to The Villages." We wanted to be IN The Villages...not just close to The Villages. Stonecrest is going to have to change their advertising and delete the part about "golf cart" access to The Villages. If someone wants golf cart access to The Villages then they are going to have to buy in The Villages. Surprised that the developer has not shut down outside golf cart access well before this. They are in this to sell property/homes and make money and not friends. The residents outside of The Villages end up dealing with the results of the decisions.

Not quite true. If you buy street legal you can still get to the Villages. I am not that worried. I feel sorry for the rental places. Why rent a four seater if you cant go anywhere.

[Regor]

I personally don't think this gate has anything to to do with the Stonecrest residents, I feel this gate is the developers reaction to the new assisted living development that is being built by someone other than them. The new development (I don't know the name) asked for us people using the old dirt path to Lowes and beyond, to help them by signing petitions to change how the land was to be used and promising us continued use of the roads if the development was built.
It seems like like the developer of the new facility has stated in their advertisements that golf cart access to The Villages is possible. We all know that there is HUGE money is assisted living facilities because that seems to be the big thing on the developer's mind as The Villages builds out. So I feel this is just a battle for dollars.

I would rather have the people come over The Villages by cart than car. The roads are too full of cars now! You can always park 2 - 4 carts in the space that one car takes. I feel the people from Stonecrest will still come to The Villages for the shopping and entertainment, but now they will have to take up more space because "OUR" developer is losing a few dollars!

[linko38]

Basically, let the Stonecrest residents get upset that they cannot drive a golf cart onto our private multi-modal trails. Do I care about them? No!

If they wanted Villages amenities, they should have bought in The Villages.

Wow you must be one of the "Friendliest" People they sing about on the commercial. Maybe they could hire you for the next one. You could yell "GET OFF OF MY LAWN"!!!!. that would be more like the attitude I am seeing here. If we want to drive our golf carts we can buy street legal. What is the big deal?:boom:

[Peachie]

Wow you must be one of the "Friendliest" People they sing about on the commercial. Maybe they could hire you for the next one. You could yell "GET OFF OF MY LAWN"!!!!. that would be more like the attitude I am seeing here. If we want to drive our golf carts we can buy street legal. What is the big deal?:boom:

Love that psychology, make them give us what we want because we want it and we'll verbally attack them for not acquiescing. How dare they deny us use of their property.

Buy street legals, pay the price for the street legal, yearly license fees and insurance and you will then be able to understand the premium we had to pay to use the private multi-modal paths in The Villages.

Your angst for the rental places escapes me, they'll be fine.

Again, if you want The Villages lifestyle, buy in The Villages. You have the same opportunity to buy here that the rest of us living here had. Don't stand outside the fence and whine because you selected a compound developed with far less vision than the Morse's, it was your choice.

[Moderator]

This thread has gotten way off track and has a number of posts with personally directed comments. Too many to prune out.

Thread now closed.

One can disagree without being disagreeable.