Stonecrest POA requests Paradise gate open to all

[champion6]

Below is an interesting letter from the Stonecrest POA to the Sumter County Board of Commissioners. It is in the packet of documents for the Sumter County Commissioners regular meeting on Nov. 12, 2013.

Essentially, they make the case that the gate should be open to all for ADA and medical access reasons.

[njbchbum]

Isn't the gate in Lady Lake, Lake County? Why petition Sumter County commissioners?

[rhood]

Right, the path from Paradise to the gate is in Lake County. What business is it of Sumter County?

[red tail]

Below is an interesting letter from the Stonecrest POA to the Sumter County Board of Commissioners. It is in the packet of documents for the Sumter County Commissioners regular meeting on Nov. 12, 2013.

Essentially, they make the case that the gate should be open to all for ADA and medical access reasons.

hogwash

[DonH57]

I wander about that because even for the ones who can not drive a car isn't there transport service available to take elderly or disabled people to and from their appointments like in other towns and cities.

[graciegirl]

Below is an interesting letter from the Stonecrest POA to the Sumter County Board of Commissioners. It is in the packet of documents for the Sumter County Commissioners regular meeting on Nov. 12, 2013.

Essentially, they make the case that the gate should be open to all for ADA and medical access reasons.


93% of Stonecrest residents can drive a car according to the letter.

[CFrance]

Right, the path from Paradise to the gate is in Lake County. What business is it of Sumter County?

If that's the case, why did Sumter put it in their meeting agenda?

[rsetterlund]

Why are so many people against outsiders coming into the Villages via golf carts? I for one think that we should be able to go anywhere with a cart, like into Fruitland Park, Lady Lake, Wildwood and other places. Some have said that the Villages pays to maintain the cart paths and outsiders do not. But seriously, how much wear and tear does a cart do to the paths?

[graciegirl]

Why are so many people against outsiders coming into the Villages via golf carts? I for one think that we should be able to go anywhere with a cart, like into Fruitland Park, Lady Lake, Wildwood and other places. Some have said that the Villages pays to maintain the cart paths and outsiders do not. But seriously, how much wear and tear does a cart do to the paths?


I don't know. But some things are a right. And some things are a privilege.

[bkcunningham1]

I wander about that because even for the ones who can not drive a car isn't there transport service available to take elderly or disabled people to and from their appointments like in other towns and cities.

I am posting this for informational purposes in case someone needs the service or knows someone who can benefit from this great taxpayer funded service: Public Transportation - Lake County Connection (http://www.lakecountyfl.gov/departments/community_services/public_transportation/lake_county_connection/) Sumter County, FL - Official Website - Transit (http://sumtercountyfl.gov/index.aspx?NID=95)

[CFrance]

I see on the Sumter commissioners meeting agenda that the letter from Stonecrest is being presented "For information only." Does that mean there will be no discussion nor action taken?

[aln]

Collect tolls!

If you don't have a gate card, insert a dollar!

Or, maybe sell gate cards to non-residents .... $50 per year?

[karostay]

Sad to say as in a previous posted concerning unwanted guest.
It's the developers party:confused:

[Bogie Shooter]

Why are so many people against outsiders coming into the Villages via golf carts? I for one think that we should be able to go anywhere with a cart, like into Fruitland Park, Lady Lake, Wildwood and other places. Some have said that the Villages pays to maintain the cart paths and outsiders do not. But seriously, how much wear and tear does a cart do to the paths?

Do you find the multi-modal paths crowded at this time? Want to add even more traffic?

[Peachie]

Collect tolls!

If you don't have a gate card, insert a dollar!

Or, maybe sell gate cards to non-residents .... $50 per year?

Or how about Stonecresters who want the privilege of having the opportunity to use their golf carts to get around pay the same monthly amenity fee we pay. Remember, you pay the piper to live the dream.

This small percentage of people from Stonecrest that want to take their carts to the doctors office vs utilizing free public transportation could also move within The Villages, problem solved.

Also, if this would be approved for Stonecrest, how would you keep every other adjacent community from demanding the same thing? This is not a good idea and could greatly devalue The Villages. Why bother living within when you can have the same thing from living outside?

[TrudyM]

Didn't I read that one of the reasons for the gate is there are apartments or homes being built on that side that are using access via golf cart to your area as a selling point. Are all the entrances to stone crest open to all? I thought it was a gated community? I am not there so trying to understand through your posts.

[redwitch]

Actually, I think a fee for a gate pass for non-residents would be a more than fair solution. If we're honest about it, they really don't add enough golf cart traffic to really make a difference. I don't think full amenity fee would be fair -- they don't have access to our clubs, recreation centers, pools, etc. Yes, some cheat and take advantage of those things, but those that would do so whether by car or cart.

Taking a cart to LSL from Stonecrest would be onerous for most -- it's a far distance and done far more easily by car.

FYI -- One main reason I'm for "outsiders" using golf carts here is that our parking is so limited as it is and two carts in one spot is a lot better than one car in the same spot.

[Peachie]

Actually, I think a fee for a gate pass for non-residents would be a more than fair solution. If we're honest about it, they really don't add enough golf cart traffic to really make a difference. I don't think full amenity fee would be fair -- they don't have access to our clubs, recreation centers, pools, etc. Yes, some cheat and take advantage of those things, but those that would do so whether by car or cart.

Taking a cart to LSL from Stonecrest would be onerous for most -- it's a far distance and done far more easily by car.

FYI -- One main reason I'm for "outsiders" using golf carts here is that our parking is so limited as it is and two carts in one spot is a lot better than one car in the same spot.

Redwitch, the problem would be precedent. If the surrounding counties deem the trails must be accessible to outlying communities, you would not be able to exclude anyone. Now you're talking lots of carts on the cart paths, which would most likely include a good number of carts from Fruitland Park since they are able to use their golf carts on many roads.

[Bryan]

Unfortunately, Stonecrest is in Marion County and that transportation system was not posted (if it exists - I have no idea).

Also, no argument that anyone can drive their golf cart in the marked lanes on the public roads (like Morse) or the unmarked public roads benind the gates of most villages. As Villagers, we pay for the privilege of driving our golf carts on the "multinodal paths" our money built and maintains which are not part of the public road system, as is the golf cart bridge and most of the tunnels. Want to drive on those paths - move to The Villages and pay your part.

[Pepperhead]

It looks like they are cooking the books. Only 26% of the surveys were returned, but they are presenting the statistics as if they apply to 100% of the residents.

[whitelion]

Is Stonecrest accessible to golf carts from The Villages? Just curious.

[redwitch]

Redwitch, the problem would be precedent. If the surrounding counties deem the trails must be accessible to outlying communities, you would not be able to exclude anyone. Now you're talking lots of carts on the cart paths, which would most likely include a good number of carts from Fruitland Park since they are able to use their golf carts on many roads.

But Fruitland Park carts are prohibited from using 466A, so, unless street legal, how would they get here? And I sincerely doubt it would be lots of carts from any outlying areas -- the distance is just too great and the hazards even greater.

Wish we could get an actual count of the number of carts that would be added to the paths if allowed or maybe set up something that carts would be able to go no further than Brownwood for Fruitland Park/Wildwood residents and no further than Spanish Springs for residents off of 441.

I do understand the Developer's reasons. I don't understand TV residents' reasoning and, quite honestly, I hope I never do.

[rubicon]

Well well well ....Stonecrest residents protest too much, methinks
The medical angle being used in Stonecrest's POA letter is a red herring. Stop and ask yourself if someone was not able to drive a car to a medial appointment do you really believe they would be in good enough health to drive a cart? and if it is true then make it street legal

Clearly the claim that only a few Stonecrest residents were utilizing Village cart paths was pure bravado.

Based on the wording of the Stonecrest letter I suspect their entire community or close to it were joy riding on our golf cart paths free.

Given the population explosion here it does make an appreciable difference
on traffic congestion.

Despite some people's claim that Stonecrest residents will not, the people of Stonecrest will continue to come to the Town Square ,restaurants etc in The Villages only now by automobile unless they own a street legal golf cart.

If the Developer is responsible for installing the gate then I applaud him and thank him. Now I believe we need to utilize our gate passes for all of the gates for any other entrances were non village golf cart drivers can gain access.

[skip0358]

Fruitland Park asked for it as a consideration for The Villages of Fruitland Park that was a no no. Wildwood wanted access via a new path on 466A that was shot down by Sumter County. I'm sure they try again off of 44A when the new Villas go in on the West side of Brownwood. They don't pay to use the MM paths or build them. There's a stink being made about the traffic on Colony Blvd. Yes the paths are getting crowded and are only going to get worse by our own residents who paid for them and pay to maintain them. If you don't live here drive your car or take a cab if you have to get here. Period. JMO

[loonlovers]

Well well well ....Stonecrest residents protest too much, methinks
The medical angle being used in Stonecrest's POA letter is a red herring. Stop and ask yourself if someone was not able to drive a car to a medial appointment do you really believe they would be in good enough health to drive a cart? and if it is true then make it street legal

Clearly the claim that only a few Stonecrest residents were utilizing Village cart paths was pure bravado.

Based on the wording of the Stonecrest letter I suspect their entire community or close to it were joy riding on our golf cart paths free.

Given the population explosion here it does make an appreciable difference
on traffic congestion.

Despite some people's claim that Stonecrest residents will not, the people of Stonecrest will continue to come to the Town Square ,restaurants etc in The Villages only now by automobile unless they own a street legal golf cart.

If the Developer is responsible for installing the gate then I applaud him and thank him. Now I believe we need to utilize our gate passes for all of the gates for any other entrances were non village golf cart drivers can gain access.

Rubicon, I don't always agree with your posts, but this time I must say I agree completely. Where does access end...Spruce Creek can now cross RT 441 and soon we will have the Villages of Fruitland Park. Should we also have open gates for these two communities as well as the new assisted care facility close to the Paradise Park gate.

If the Stonecrest POA is genuinely concerned with medical access for its residents, perhaps it can establish a transportation network within its own community.

[Peachie]

But Fruitland Park carts are prohibited from using 466A, so, unless street legal, how would they get here? And I sincerely doubt it would be lots of carts from any outlying areas -- the distance is just too great and the hazards even greater.

Wish we could get an actual count of the number of carts that would be added to the paths if allowed or maybe set up something that carts would be able to go no further than Brownwood for Fruitland Park/Wildwood residents and no further than Spanish Springs for residents off of 441.

I do understand the Developer's reasons. I don't understand TV residents' reasoning and, quite honestly, I hope I never do.

Red, if you look at the situation as if all planned development is complete, Fruitland Park wouldn't come into the equation. However, if Stonecrest is given the green light to access to The Villages and the Village of Fruitland Park, that is currently in the works, gets the go ahead; Fruitland Park would probably quickly build a golf cart path to the fenced perimeter of that village and petition Lake County for access to The Villages multimodal paths. In effect, so it's citizenry could access all the services contained within The Villages and not cause them "hardship".

Keep in mind that Spruce Creek South would love direct access to The Villages and what would keep the business south of Rolling Acres Road from petitioning that county for a golf cart bridge to cross Rolling Acres Road. Who doesn't want direct access to what the Morse family has created?

I think one has to look at a map and the total picture to see what open access to Villages multimodal paths would entail.

[rubicon]

Rubicon, I don't always agree with your posts, but this time I must say I agree completely. Where does access end...Spruce Creek can now cross RT 441 and soon we will have the Villages of Fruitland Park. Should we also have open gates for these two communities as well as the new assisted care facility close to the Paradise Park gate.

If the Stonecrest POA is genuinely concerned with medical access for its residents, perhaps it can establish a transportation network within its own community.

loonlovers: Thank you

[TheVillageChicken]

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[Peachie]

[QUOTE=TheVillageChicken;777759]This is how you do it.




Seeeee, good fences do make good neighbors, thanks for sharing!

[Marigold]

I researched where was the best place to retire and chose The Villages. I paid for my home and continue to pay a monthly amenities fee to maintain the lifestyle of my community.
I have read many posts where people who have decided to move to other retirement communities want what I PAY FOR. I personally have spoken to some of these people who live in outside communities who brag about their larger homes for less money, etc.

There has to be a bottom line....you chose to live there, you get what you paid or are paying for. I live here and get what I paid or am paying for.

I went to the Stonecrest website and believe that there is a big misconception on it.
Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida (http://www.thestonecrestcountryclub.com/)
They are publicizing (promoting) that their residents can take a golf cart ride to ALL THE AMENITIES IN THE VILLAGES.

Medical facilities can be reached by car. Stonecrest and any other communities could make arrangements for thei residents.

[graciegirl]

It is clear-er to me now why the entrance was blocked when it was blocked. The developer was about to go into negotiation with Fruitland Park and didn't want the entrance to be an issue with them wanting access.

Red. The developer is building a community like no other on this earth. I see nothing wrong with his goals. I also feel that 1900 homes is a lot of golf cart traffic potential from Stonecrest. We have to deal with our own traffic FIRST. We don't have to deal with adjacent community traffic. Parking is a safer problem than traffic. Parking doesn't kill anyone.

You GET what you pay for. You have a choice to live here or there.

[Ooper]

Is Stonecrest accessible to golf carts from The Villages? Just curious.

Only through the main vehicle gate north of Walmart by getting a pass from the guardhouse.

[Indydealmaker]

Below is an interesting letter from the Stonecrest POA to the Sumter County Board of Commissioners. It is in the packet of documents for the Sumter County Commissioners regular meeting on Nov. 12, 2013.

Essentially, they make the case that the gate should be open to all for ADA and medical access reasons.

Not a very business like letter with spelling errors. If you want to be taken seriously, it is a good idea to work on presentation.

[CFrance]

It is clear-er to me now why the entrance was blocked when it was blocked. The developer was about to go into negotiation with Fruitland Park and didn't want the entrance to be an issue with them wanting access.

Red. The developer is building a community like no other on this earth. I see nothing wrong with his goals. I also feel that 1900 homes is a lot of golf cart traffic potential from Stonecrest. We have to deal with our own traffic FIRST. We don't have to deal with adjacent community traffic. Parking is a safer problem than traffic. Parking doesn't kill anyone.

You GET what you pay for. You have a choice to live here or there.

I agree with your reasoning, Gracie. And Red, I agree with you on most things, but this is not one of them. With the rate of development going on, there needs to be a bottom line as to what our amenity fees will pay to maintain. It's not being mean-spirited. It's protecting our investment against future over-usage. If we allow non residents to use our mm paths now, what precedent are we setting? There could even be lawsuits forcing us to allow access to other non-residents to our multi-modal paths.

There will be over-crowding of the paths. The people who buy in the new Fruitland Park TV development will surely (and rightly) be adding upwards of 1500+ carts to our paths. The paths already constructed in TV are fixed in size and scope. How will they handle this added traffic, even without adding other communities' carts as well? And there's more development to come.

[Bogie Shooter]

I researched where was the best place to retire and chose The Villages. I paid for my home and continue to pay a monthly amenities fee to maintain the lifestyle of my community.
I have read many posts where people who have decided to move to other retirement communities want what I PAY FOR. I personally have spoken to some of these people who live in outside communities who brag about their larger homes for less money, etc.

There has to be a bottom line....you chose to live there, you get what you paid or are paying for. I live here and get what I paid or am paying for.

I went to the Stonecrest website and believe that there is a big misconception on it.
Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida (http://www.thestonecrestcountryclub.com/)
They are publicizing (promoting) that their residents can take a golf cart ride to ALL THE AMENITIES IN THE VILLAGES.

Medical facilities can be reached by car. Stonecrest and any other communities could make arrangements for thei residents.

From their web site:
At the Stone Crest Country Club you can enjoy two golf courses, play on our lighted tennis courts and pickle-ball courts, swim in the heated indoor pool or any of the outdoor pools throughout the community. Play shuffleboard, bocce ball or softball on our new softball field. Get in shape at the community gym. And take a short golf cart ride to all the amenities in The Villages, including shopping, healthcare and entertainment.

[CFrance]

At the Stone Crest Country Club you can enjoy two golf courses, play on our lighted tennis courts and pickle-ball courts, swim in the heated indoor pool or any of the outdoor pools throughout the community. Play shuffleboard, bocce ball or softball on our new softball field. Get in shape at the community gym. And take a short golf cart ride to all the amenities in The Villages, including shopping, healthcare and entertainment.

Bogie, you are quoting Stonecrest's advertising blurb, aren't you?

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Actually, I think a fee for a gate pass for non-residents would be a more than fair solution. If we're honest about it, they really don't add enough golf cart traffic to really make a difference. I don't think full amenity fee would be fair -- they don't have access to our clubs, recreation centers, pools, etc. Yes, some cheat and take advantage of those things, but those that would do so whether by car or cart.

Taking a cart to LSL from Stonecrest would be onerous for most -- it's a far distance and done far more easily by car.

FYI -- One main reason I'm for "outsiders" using golf carts here is that our parking is so limited as it is and two carts in one spot is a lot better than one car in the same spot.

For me added traffic is not the point. I pay a monthly fee plus I paid a premium on my home price so I could enjoy what TV has to offer. Those that want to use the multi-modal paths should have to do the same thing

[TheVillageChicken]

It's another variation of this theme, which I wholeheartedly support.

http://ohreally.blog.com/files/2010/06/not_yours.jpg

[graciegirl]

It's another variation of this theme, which I wholeheartedly support.

http://ohreally.blog.com/files/2010/06/not_yours.jpg
Chicken. You aren't who I thought you were.

And now because of Rubicon, I know what a Red Herring is.

This forum is amazing. I am so sorry Chicken.

[keywest]

It is clear-er to me now why the entrance was blocked when it was blocked. The developer was about to go into negotiation with Fruitland Park and didn't want the entrance to be an issue with them wanting access.

Red. The developer is building a community like no other on this earth. I see nothing wrong with his goals. I also feel that 1900 homes is a lot of golf cart traffic potential from Stonecrest. We have to deal with our own traffic FIRST. We don't have to deal with adjacent community traffic. Parking is a safer problem than traffic. Parking doesn't kill anyone.

You GET what you pay for. You have a choice to live here or there.



I agree.....you have a choice. You can buy a home IN The Villages, pay for and enjoy all the amenities including the golf cart paths.... OR.... you can buy elsewhere and NOT have access to our amenities and golf cart paths...It doesn't work both ways! Pretty simple.

[Snowbirdtobe]

Stonecrest should be careful because they may need to provide transportation to all the people that were lured there by promises that Stonecrest had no right to make. If I lived in the development I would find some written promises of easy access to medical care and the hospital and ask where is my van to take me across the street? Then I might sue the Stone Crest developer to provide van service. The Villages POA might give them pointers.

[asianthree]

we came in for a few weeks in october, and spent most nights in brownwood..i have to admit the traffic from off road four wheelers driving to and from brownwood and around the square, yelling at people that took too long to park and then raced in between to get somewhere faster..was not something i would want to deal with all the time..and the snowbirds were not in full yet. Yes, they were young with three to four per cart..the age is not the problem, nor the yelling at people, its the unsafe, driving that bothered me..it seemed each night there were 4 to 10 of the non golf carts, on the paths weaving in and out of the carts, passing at the last minute...so my thought is that adding more carts from outside of tv..will just add to the problem...but just my thoughts

[Indydealmaker]

I agree.....you have a choice. You can buy a home IN The Villages, pay for and enjoy all the amenities including the golf cart paths.... OR.... you can buy elsewhere and NOT have access to our amenities and golf cart paths...It doesn't work both ways! Pretty simple.

I am pretty sure that our multi-modal paths are "public access". If a non-resident can access them, they can legally use them, but then, why would they if doing so would require jumping through all sorts of hoops to gain access.

This "non residents using TV amenities" is much ado about nothing.

[Indydealmaker]

we came in for a few weeks in october, and spent most nights in brownwood..i have to admit the traffic from off road four wheelers driving to and from brownwood and around the square, yelling at people that took too long to park and then raced in between to get somewhere faster..was not something i would want to deal with all the time..and the snowbirds were not in full yet. Yes, they were young with three to four per cart..the age is not the problem, nor the yelling at people, its the unsafe, driving that bothered me..it seemed each night there were 4 to 10 of the non golf carts, on the paths weaving in and out of the carts, passing at the last minute...so my thought is that adding more carts from outside of tv..will just add to the problem...but just my thoughts

If ATVs were at Brownwood, they were not there legally.

[Bogie Shooter]

Bogie, you are quoting Stonecrest's advertising blurb, aren't you?

Yes, I should have indicated that..........was fixed. Thanks

[Mr.Kris]

Need to be careful here.

I know that I am not current on all things TV, and others will be quick to point that out, but if I recall correctly one of the points in the IRS audit was the use of tax free, i.e. publicly subsidized, bonds for a private "gated" community. I believe the response from the VCCDD at the time was the public had access by the mere push of a button. Now that doesn't appear to be true. Maybe the VCDD has abandoned that position in light of its recent "request for relief."

For my edification are there any updated comments on this particular part of the issue?

[BobAllen1290]

I live in Stonecrest. I have a golf cart. It has one purpose..To drive us to and from the pools in Stonecrest. If I want to go somewhere other than that I will either take my truck or my wife's car. I must confess that I do not understand the "golf cart culture". To me rattling around in a golf cart to go to the grocery store, the restaurant, the doctor's or the hardware store is asinine. Obviously many other people enjoy it greatly.

Another thing that I do not understand about this whole thing is that people coming out of TV and heading off to Lowe's or WalMart beyond have to travel over trails that have been beaten into the ground on private property that essentially they have no right to be on. Conversely, people on carts coming from Stonecrest must do the same thing to get over to the trails in TV. I don't know about others, but from where I come from trespassing on land that isn't yours can earn you a rump full of buckshot.

Living on the Stonecrest side I find it ridiculous that our POA would waste money and resources on such a foolish matter. IMHO the Stonecrest POA has ZERO business pursuing this issue and I said as much when they sent around their stupid questionnaire.

My feeling all along is that the TV gate issue stems very possibly from one of Morse's lawyers advising their client about the liability factors with people who are not actual TV residents using the golf cart paths.

To me it's a tempest in a teapot. If you want to go to TV from Stonecrest or go to Walmart from TV just fire up the flivver and get on with it.

[Xavier]

Only through the main vehicle gate north of Walmart by getting a pass from the guardhouse.

... and the three different times I had a need to enter StoneCrest the "Official" at the gate was especially rude and very difficult. Not at all welcoming. A lot of hassle to attend an Estate or Garage Sale. They could learn about hospitality from any of The Villages gates and businesses.

Xavier

[Fourpar]

:bigbow: The most sensible comments I have seen/heard on this (non) issue. Thanks for a breath of common sense

[Steve & Deanna]

We enjoy living in The Villages and believe access should be limited. We like the gated communities, we pay our amenities and feel thankful and privileged for the lifestyle. Allowing others access by golf carts will bring problems. The next thing you know, outsiders will demand to use our golf courses and pools and anything else we have. The old adage still holds true that 'if you give an inch, they'll take a mile'.

[HMLRHT1]

My position on the access to this area is there has been free and unimpeded flow since 1998 and or earlier. Everyone from where ever that could use a golf cart to get there used that access point. Everyone has gotten used to the idea. Now TV says u can't use it unless u live in TV. But to get to Lowes or Walmart u have to cross private property too. Who is being two faced here? If the amount of non TV residents using this didn't cause a problem before why is it now?

[Steve & Deanna]

My wife had just reminded me that years back when we were renting in TV, our curiousity took us to Stonecrest and we wanted to look around. The gatekeeper insisted that he get a salesperson to show us around. We left....and the rest is history.

[Xavier]

My wife had just reminded me that years back when we were renting in TV, our curiousity took us to Stonecrest and we wanted to look around. The gatekeeper insisted that he get a salesperson to show us around. We left....and the rest is history.

Something similar happened to us back when we were still working folks just dreaming of the "someday" that we could retire. We looked at Royal Highlands, Kings Ridge and many other places. When we pulled into The Plantation just south of Leesburg we were abruptly turned away from driving through to look around. A 10 minute pass would have done the job. It was a Holiday and we knew there weren't sales staff around. Now, some 15 or so years later, we always give The Plantation a particular salute as we drive by. As you can see, it did leave a certain impression. The Villages does it right.

Xavier

[getdul981]

I believe TheVillageChicken hit the nail on the head with the map. The gate is akin to the US borders. There are people that want to enter the US illegally and there are people that want to enter TV illegally. I hope the gate and/or gates do a better job though.

[patfla06]

This doesn't really surprise me with the sense of "entitlement" that now exists in this country.

The Villages are doing the right thing putting up the gate.

[co519]

Its funny how many are so focused on the elderly from Stonecrest coming to spend money in TV when in fact there are much bigger problems as you can see from this article Should vendors have gate cards to The Villages? | Ocala.com (http://www.ocala.com/article/20070418/REPORTER/204190312)

[CFrance]

Its funny how many are so focused on the elderly from Stonecrest coming to spend money in TV when in fact there are much bigger problems as you can see from this article Should vendors have gate cards to The Villages? | Ocala.com (http://www.ocala.com/article/20070418/REPORTER/204190312)

That article is dated 2007. It's a well-known fact that TV is not a true gated community, and anyone in a car can get in through the visitors gates by pushing a button, which will raise the gate. So businesses and contractors don't even need a gate pass. I don't see that there have been "bigger problems" since this article was published five years ago. In fact, the article seems like sensationalism.

[co519]

That article is dated 2007. It's a well-known fact that TV is not a true gated community, and anyone in a car can get in through the visitors gates by pushing a button, which will raise the gate. So businesses and contractors don't even need a gate pass. I don't see that there have been "bigger problems" since this article was published five years ago. In fact, the article seems like sensationalism.

As you said the article is from 2007 so one could only imagine that the number of non residents with gate cards would be much greater. Just my thought!!!

[Golfingnut]

Or how about Stonecresters who want the privilege of having the opportunity to use their golf carts to get around pay the same monthly amenity fee we pay. Remember, you pay the piper to live the dream.

This small percentage of people from Stonecrest that want to take their carts to the doctors office vs utilizing free public transportation could also move within The Villages, problem solved.

Also, if this would be approved for Stonecrest, how would you keep every other adjacent community from demanding the same thing? This is not a good idea and could greatly devalue The Villages. Why bother living within when you can have the same thing from living outside?

BINGO:shrug:

[2BNTV]

Well well well ....Stonecrest residents protest too much, methinks
The medical angle being used in Stonecrest's POA letter is a red herring. Stop and ask yourself if someone was not able to drive a car to a medical appointment do you really believe they would be in good enough health to drive a cart? and if it is true then make it street legal

Clearly the claim that only a few Stonecrest residents were utilizing Village cart paths was pure bravado.

Based on the wording of the Stonecrest letter I suspect their entire community or close to it were joy riding on our golf cart paths free.

Given the population explosion here it does make an appreciable difference
on traffic congestion.

Despite some people's claim that Stonecrest residents will not, the people of Stonecrest will continue to come to the Town Square ,restaurants etc in The Villages only now by automobile unless they own a street legal golf cart.

If the Developer is responsible for installing the gate then I applaud him and thank him. Now I believe we need to utilize our gate passes for all of the gates for any other entrances were non village golf cart drivers can gain access.

:agree: Me thinks the Stonecrest residents, want access to TV because they want to get more house for their money but want the priviledge of having access to TV. The ADA ploy, is just a veiled attempt to get the majority in TV, for a few people who have some real concerns.

I think if some people have a real need, then some arrangement can be made in terms of a fair payment to TV, without having to let outside residents have the priviledge for free. "Free" is a concept, all people can undersatnd. Maybe a special sticker on their cart, like a handicapped person, would have, to help distinguish people who have a legitimate need.

Some people want to have their cake and eat it too. :smiley:

[senior citizen]

Residents of other 55+ communities are not allowed to use the swimming pools, rec centers, golf courses, tennis courts of T.V. but they are allowed to visit their doctors and/or the hospital plus the town squares which all are on public property.

Personally, I can't imagine anyone wanting to ride in a golf cart from Stonecrest to The Villages when a an automobile would be much more comfortable and air conditioned. I agree with the poster who said "much ado about nothing".

All of the restaurants and big stores are on public property. Ditto, as has been stated a zillion times, the merchants in the three squares NEED the revenue from those outside The Villages to stay in business.

I found the definition of amenities very interesting........indeed.

Definition of amenity (n)


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noun, plural amenities. 1. an agreeable way or manner; courtesy; civility: the graceful amenities of society. 2. any feature that provides comfort, convenience

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I highlighted the part about the golfcart ride to the Villages but I just copied and pasted the link that someone had posted above.

[Bogie Shooter]

Residents of other 55+ communities are not allowed to use the swimming pools, rec centers, golf courses, tennis courts of T.V. but they are allowed to visit their doctors and/or the hospital plus the town squares which all are on public property.

Personally, I can't imagine anyone wanting to ride in a golf cart from Stonecrest to The Villages when a an automobile would be much more comfortable and air conditioned. I agree with the poster who said "much ado about nothing".

All of the restaurants and big stores are on public property. Ditto, as has been stated a zillion times, the merchants in the three squares NEED the revenue from those outside The Villages to stay in business.

I found the definition of amenities very interesting........indeed.

Definition of amenity (n)


Bing Dictionary
a�men�i�ty
[ ə m�nnə tee ]

　
public facility: a useful or attractive feature or a service, e.g. leisure facilities
pleasantness: the experience of a place as pleasant or attractive

Synonyms: facility (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+facility) � convenience (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+convenience) � comfort (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+comfort) � service (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+service) � feature (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+feature) � creature comfort � nicety (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+nicety)

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noun, plural amenities. 1. an agreeable way or manner; courtesy; civility: the graceful amenities of society. 2. any feature that provides comfort, convenience

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noun, plural amenities. 1. an agreeable way or manner; courtesy; civility: the graceful amenities of society. 2. any feature that provides comfort, convenience, or ...

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Full Definition of AMENITY 1 a : the quality of being pleasant or agreeable b (1) : the attractiveness and value of real estate or of a residential structure

　
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In the contexts of real estate and lodging, amenities are any tangible or intangible benefits of a property, especially those which increase the attractiveness .....

Why are you shouting?

[donb9006]

Have them open up THEIR gates to us...then we'll talk...

[graciegirl]

Residents of other 55+ communities are not allowed to use the swimming pools, rec centers, golf courses, tennis courts of T.V. but they are allowed to visit their doctors and/or the hospital plus the town squares which all are on public property.

Personally, I can't imagine anyone wanting to ride in a golf cart from Stonecrest to The Villages when a an automobile would be much more comfortable and air conditioned. I agree with the poster who said "much ado about nothing".

All of the restaurants and big stores are on public property. Ditto, as has been stated a zillion times, the merchants in the three squares NEED the revenue from those outside The Villages to stay in business.

I found the definition of amenities very interesting........indeed.

Definition of amenity (n)


Bing Dictionary
a�men�i�ty
[ ə m�nnə tee ]

　
public facility: a useful or attractive feature or a service, e.g. leisure facilities
pleasantness: the experience of a place as pleasant or attractive

Synonyms: facility (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+facility) � convenience (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+convenience) � comfort (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+comfort) � service (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+service) � feature (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+feature) � creature comfort � nicety (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/search?q=define+nicety)

Amenities | Define Amenities at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/amenities)

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noun, plural amenities. 1. an agreeable way or manner; courtesy; civility: the graceful amenities of society. 2. any feature that provides comfort, convenience

Amenity | Define Amenity at Dictionary.com (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/amenity)

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noun, plural amenities. 1. an agreeable way or manner; courtesy; civility: the graceful amenities of society. 2. any feature that provides comfort, convenience, or ...

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Full Definition of AMENITY 1 a : the quality of being pleasant or agreeable b (1) : the attractiveness and value of real estate or of a residential structure

　
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In the contexts of real estate and lodging, amenities are any tangible or intangible benefits of a property, especially those which increase the attractiveness .....


Should you move here, you may begin to feel as I do, that during the winter months when the population swells here in The Villages and in Florida, that driving a golf cart becomes less safe.

I think that I cannot complain about people who live here driving around in a golf cart but I can complain about outlanders.

The people in Stonecrest and other nearby communities can and will drive their cars to visit the places that we freely can drive our golf cart to if we choose, since we chose this place to live.

[getdul981]

I think that I cannot complain about people who live here driving around in a golf cart but I can complain about outlanders.


I clal them interlopers.

[CFrance]

As you said the article is from 2007 so one could only imagine that the number of non residents with gate cards would be much greater. Just my thought!!!

Right, but they would probably be driving cars on our public streets maintained by the county (i.e., the contractors), not golf carts on the multi-modal paths maintained by our amentity fees.

The article, I thought, was inflammatory. After the developer decided to make the streets public so the county would maintain them, gates were only left there to slow traffic down.

Does anybody know when the streets became public? Or were they never private?

[BobAllen1290]

... and the three different times I had a need to enter StoneCrest the "Official" at the gate was especially rude and very difficult. Not at all welcoming. A lot of hassle to attend an Estate or Garage Sale. They could learn about hospitality from any of The Villages gates and businesses.

Xavier
Stonecrest is a fully-gated PRIVATE community. Our gate guards are not there to be "welcoming" they are there to keep people out. In Stonecrest unless you are a property owner or a guest of a property owner you cannot just come in an "look around". If you are interested in the community you can tell the guard that you would like to go to the sales office and sales will give you a pass to "look around" after they take your name, address and other basic information. You may also enter if you are there to play golf or if you are attending a bona-fide real estate open house given by a realtor or attending some special event. Otherwise access is denied. That's the purpose of a gated community.

TV on the other hand is essentially an open city built for the elderly. To be sure there are amenities, features and services that are available only to Villages residents and their guests, which they indeed pay for. But TV is not a gated community like Stonecrest or Del Webb.

In regards to the golf cart paths, I think that they are the property of TV, and for the use of their residents only and I have virtually no problem with that and those in Stonecrest who think that they are entitled, are IMHO wrong about it.

[senior citizen]

Why are you shouting?

I wasn't shouting. It didn't look big on my screen when I typed it.

[senior citizen]

[QUOTE=CFrance;778023]That article is dated 2007. It's a well-known fact that TV is not a true gated community, and anyone in a car can get in through the visitors gates by pushing a button, which will raise the gate. So businesses and contractors don't even need a gate pass. I don't see that there have been "bigger problems" since this article was published five years ago. In fact, the article seems like sensationalism.[/QUOTE
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You are correct. When we were renting for a month we saw some pretty scary looking guys in pickup trucks riding on the public roads within The Villages.....and in the neighborhoods. We just assumed they were contractors, plumbers, workmen, landscapers, etc. We never thought they were from Stonecrest as we never knew it existed back then.

It is easy to get into The Villages........before we got our guest pass at Lake Sumter Landing (the big hotel which was the sales office) (beautiful place by the way).....we discovered back during the Lifestyle Visit that you just needed to press the red button to get in. Anyone can even walk around the gates if they so desired to, at night in the dark.

Again, the main roads are PUBLIC roads ; those are the roads that the doctors offices, restaurants, stores, etc. are located on.......so anyone can enter The Villages. The Town Squares are public property as well......

I really can't imagine hordes of elderly senior citizens from Stonecrest driving golf carts to the town squares. From the looks of the people we saw eating at The Lighthouse Restaurant and others at L.S.L.......I'd say most of them would arrive in their air conditioned automobiles........just as we did.

[Peachie]

I wasn't shouting. It didn't look big on my screen when I typed it.

Senior, it appears you had about a half hour window to edit your post and clean up the print size. Were you unable to edit to a smaller size in that period? I'm not sure size can be edited but must admit, it's very annoying to see it so large in the first place and then it is quoted so often after that. Perhaps the Admin can clean it up.

[Peachie]

[QUOTE=CFrance;778023]That article is dated 2007. It's a well-known fact that TV is not a true gated community, and anyone in a car can get in through the visitors gates by pushing a button, which will raise the gate. So businesses and contractors don't even need a gate pass. I don't see that there have been "bigger problems" since this article was published five years ago. In fact, the article seems like sensationalism.[/QUOTE
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You are correct. When we were renting for a month we saw some pretty scary looking guys in pickup trucks riding on the public roads within The Villages.....and in the neighborhoods. We just assumed they were contractors, plumbers, workmen, landscapers, etc. We never thought they were from Stonecrest as we never knew it existed back then.

It is easy to get into The Villages........before we got our guest pass at Lake Sumter Landing (the big hotel which was the sales office) (beautiful place by the way).....we discovered back during the Lifestyle Visit that you just needed to press the red button to get in. Anyone can even walk around the gates if they so desired to, at night in the dark.

Again, the main roads are PUBLIC roads ; those are the roads that the doctors offices, restaurants, stores, etc. are located on.......so anyone can enter The Villages. The Town Squares are public property as well......

I really can't imagine hordes of elderly senior citizens from Stonecrest driving golf carts to the town squares. From the looks of the people we saw eating at The Lighthouse Restaurant and others at L.S.L.......I'd say most of them would arrive in their air conditioned automobiles........just as we did.

If you had read all the posts in this thread, Senior, you would understand that our concern about opening the paths to the general public is about a precedent being set to all of the surrounding communities. Stonecrest knew what they were buying.

I could give you the name of a former Village neighbor who bragged to us that he was moving there to buy a cheaper house and could still get around The Villages and we were foolish to continue living here. We would have been happy to help him pack, ahem...

I think it's funny that you find blue collar workers to be scary looking, not everyone can go to work in a suit and a $100. haircut and trim.

[senior citizen]

[quote=senior citizen;778102]

If you had read all the posts in this thread, Senior, you would understand that our concern about opening the paths to the general public is about a precedent being set to all of the surrounding communities. Stonecrest knew what they were buying.

I could give you the name of a former Village neighbor who bragged to us that he was moving there to buy a cheaper house and could still get around The Villages and we were foolish to continue living here. We would have been happy to help him pack, ahem...

I think it's funny that you find blue collar workers to be scary looking, not everyone can go to work in a suit and a $100. haircut and trim.

Hey, we have two landscapers in our own family.....a nephew and an inlaw. Hardworking, salt of the earth guys. We had a beloved Uncle who was a plumber. My parents were factory workers. My husband's dad was a tool and die maker. Two uncles were mailmen. No one we knew wore a suit to work and no one we ever knew got a $100 haircut...that's for sure. My husband wore a denim shirt in his studio and even when he opened a retail store, he still dressed down in a polo shirt as that's what they do up here.....dress casually. We have nephews who are policemen and lawyers. The lawyer would wear a suit when he has a court trial.

I had a brother in law who drove a big tanker truck for Shell Oil and then Exxon.....another who owned a hardware store and another cousin who delivers meat. All blue collar workers.

I never said "blue collar workers" were scary. My husband was a craftsman and I would say that is a blue collar worker. A very talented one.

I meant that some of the ones driving all over The Villages (got in there somehow...onto the grounds that you don't want the Stonecrest people to drive) were scary looking and some of the landscapers working on the road near our rental home.......(looked at them for a month).........didn't look like high school kids or any landscapers I've ever seen. So, what I meant in a nutshell........is ANYONE can get into The Villages.....and be near the homes........obviously, they are not riding on the golf cart paths......

Our son and son in law do wear suits to work but they are also college grads with higher graduate degrees....and it's the uniform that is called for in their workplace. But I still doubt if they'd ever pay $100. for a haircut.

So many on this forum have said they have friends in Stonecrest.
I'd hate to be a fair weather friend just to be popular on this forum.

I shouldn't have to explain myself.

I've explained before re the "outsiders" or whatever they are in Stonecrest coming to the squares..........and my husband's opinion , in that had he not welcomed people from all the outlying towns (up in the mountains and out in the farmlands) and just relied on the 16,000 locals in our little town, he wouldn't have been as successful as he was. I've never heard of towns drawing "do not cross over this line" rules..........we get all kinds of folks that come into our town to shop, to go to a movie, to the doctors, to the hospital and we welcome them as they also stop for lunch or dinner in a restaurant and that's what keeps "Main Street" going............nuff said.

We also welcome Canadians and leaf peepers from all the other states.

We trust our own carpenters and plumbers and painters so much that we let them "do their thing" while we were gone two weeks. Gave them the keys to the house. We have NOTHING against blue collar workers and consider them our FRIENDS........and FAMILY.

[Xavier]

Stonecrest is a fully-gated PRIVATE community. Our gate guards are not there to be "welcoming" they are there to keep people out. In Stonecrest unless you are a property owner or a guest of a property owner you cannot just come in an "look around". If you are interested in the community you can tell the guard that you would like to go to the sales office and sales will give you a pass to "look around" after they take your name, address and other basic information. You may also enter if you are there to play golf or if you are attending a bona-fide real estate open house given by a realtor or attending some special event. Otherwise access is denied. That's the purpose of a gated community.

TV on the other hand is essentially an open city built for the elderly. To be sure there are amenities, features and services that are available only to Villages residents and their guests, which they indeed pay for. But TV is not a gated community like Stonecrest or Del Webb.

In regards to the golf cart paths, I think that they are the property of TV, and for the use of their residents only and I have virtually no problem with that and those in Stonecrest who think that they are entitled, are IMHO wrong about it.

I am very aware of the security differences between the gates in The Villages and the gate at StoneCrest. So, knowing that, am I to conclude that the "Officials" at the StoneCrest gate are trained and encouraged to be rude and unwelcoming? Don't answer that, I know that everyone in StoneCrest is not aware at how they are being represented at the gate. My point is that if I was considering StoneCrest as an option for my retirement home, and I was greeted in such a manner, I'd be making the U-turn, never to return. That is certainly another major difference between the people in our gate houses.

On the other hand, I compliment you on the last paragraph and am in complete agreement. You sound like a reasonable and honorable person.

Xavier

[graciegirl]

[quote=Peachie;778115]

Hey, we have two landscapers in our own family.....a nephew and an inlaw. Hardworking, salt of the earth guys. We had a beloved Uncle who was a plumber. My parents were factory workers. My husband's dad was a tool and die maker. Two uncles were mailmen. No one we knew wore a suit to work and no one we ever knew got a $100 haircut...that's for sure. My husband wore a denim shirt in his studio and even when he opened a retail store, he still dressed down in a polo shirt as that's what they do up here.....dress casually. We have nephews who are policemen and lawyers. The lawyer would wear a suit when he has a court trial.

I had a brother in law who drove a big tanker truck for Shell Oil and then Exxon.....another who owned a hardware store and another cousin who delivers meat. All blue collar workers.

I never said "blue collar workers" were scary. My husband was a craftsman and I would say that is a blue collar worker. A very talented one.

I meant that some of the ones driving all over The Villages (got in there somehow...onto the grounds that you don't want the Stonecrest people to drive) were scary looking and some of the landscapers working on the road near our rental home.......(looked at them for a month).........didn't look like high school kids or any landscapers I've ever seen. So, what I meant in a nutshell........is ANYONE can get into The Villages.....and be near the homes........obviously, they are not riding on the golf cart paths......

Our son and son in law do wear suits to work but they are also college grads with higher graduate degrees....and it's the uniform that is called for in their workplace. But I still doubt if they'd ever pay $100. for a haircut.

So many on this forum have said they have friends in Stonecrest.
I'd hate to be a fair weather friend just to be popular on this forum.
ouch! ouch! ouch!
I shouldn't have to explain myself. (Nor should we)

I've explained before re the "outsiders" or whatever they are in Stonecrest coming to the squares..........and my husband's opinion , in that had he not welcomed people from all the outlying towns (up in the mountains and out in the farmlands) and just relied on the 16,000 locals in our little town, he wouldn't have been as successful as he was. I've never heard of towns drawing "do not cross over this line" rules..........we get all kinds of folks that come into our town to shop, to go to a movie, to the doctors, to the hospital and we welcome them as they also stop for lunch or dinner in a restaurant and that's what keeps "Main Street" going............nuff said.

We also welcome Canadians and leaf peepers from all the other states.

We trust our own carpenters and plumbers and painters so much that we let them "do their thing" while we were gone two weeks. Gave them the keys to the house. We have NOTHING against blue collar workers and consider them our FRIENDS........and FAMILY.


I don't think anyone wants to keep Stonecrest people OUT!!! I think we think it is wise to limit golf carts.

They can come here in their cars,

They can come and drink in bars,

They can ride here on their bike,

They can walk if they so like,

The can come in Chevy, Honda or Toyoto,

Just not in Yamaha, Par Car or Ezgo.

They are welcome, we are fans,

Just not in GOLFCARTS, Sam I am.

[Peachie]

[quote=Peachie;778115]

Hey, we have two landscapers in our own family.....a nephew and an inlaw. Hardworking, salt of the earth guys. We had a beloved Uncle who was a plumber. My parents were factory workers. My husband's dad was a tool and die maker. Two uncles were mailmen. No one we knew wore a suit to work and no one we ever knew got a $100 haircut...that's for sure. My husband wore a denim shirt in his studio and even when he opened a retail store, he still dressed down in a polo shirt as that's what they do up here.....dress casually. We have nephews who are policemen and lawyers. The lawyer would wear a suit when he has a court trial.

I had a brother in law who drove a big tanker truck for Shell Oil and then Exxon.....another who owned a hardware store and another cousin who delivers meat. All blue collar workers.

I never said "blue collar workers" were scary. My husband was a craftsman and I would say that is a blue collar worker. A very talented one.

I meant that some of the ones driving all over The Villages (got in there somehow...onto the grounds that you don't want the Stonecrest people to drive) were scary looking and some of the landscapers working on the road near our rental home.......(looked at them for a month).........didn't look like high school kids or any landscapers I've ever seen. So, what I meant in a nutshell........is ANYONE can get into The Villages.....and be near the homes........obviously, they are not riding on the golf cart paths......

Our son and son in law do wear suits to work but they are also college grads with higher graduate degrees....and it's the uniform that is called for in their workplace. But I still doubt if they'd ever pay $100. for a haircut.

So many on this forum have said they have friends in Stonecrest.
I'd hate to be a fair weather friend just to be popular on this forum.

I shouldn't have to explain myself.

I've explained before re the "outsiders" or whatever they are in Stonecrest coming to the squares..........and my husband's opinion , in that had he not welcomed people from all the outlying towns (up in the mountains and out in the farmlands) and just relied on the 16,000 locals in our little town, he wouldn't have been as successful as he was. I've never heard of towns drawing "do not cross over this line" rules..........we get all kinds of folks that come into our town to shop, to go to a movie, to the doctors, to the hospital and we welcome them as they also stop for lunch or dinner in a restaurant and that's what keeps "Main Street" going............nuff said.

We also welcome Canadians and leaf peepers from all the other states.

We trust our own carpenters and plumbers and painters so much that we let them "do their thing" while we were gone two weeks. Gave them the keys to the house. We have NOTHING against blue collar workers and consider them our FRIENDS........and FAMILY.

Ah, Senior, I think you have the wrong community... STONECREST has locked and barred their community to outsiders, unless you have special permission to come in and increase their coffers.

The Villages is the warm and open community where the streets are public. The Squares are open to the public and "Main Street" can keep going here in The Villages. The STREETS from Stonecrest can be driven right into The Villages in the same manner of most commercial areas of the United States.

The Morse family business model offered carts paths to its residents, period.

Your remark about "fairweather friends" smells funny to me. Has Stonecrest put a hole in their fence so we can easily get into their complex to use facilities that are available to us so we can avoid the hassle at the front gate? So much of your post has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

[blueash]

The population of TV is now at 100,000 residents in the winter. There really are more as some rentals have more than 2 per home and many residents here have guests any given week. So perhaps we peak at 110,000 (wild guess?). Nonetheless, if on any given day 25% of the residents of Stonecrest and 25% of the residents of Fruitland additionally came, we might go from 110,000 people here to 114,000 people here, a MASSIVE increase in our traffic of 3% lousy percent. They would use public highways spend money inside this community which we all support. However some are opposed because the developer built the multimodal paths and now via tax-free bonds which we pay back as amenity fees and home bonds someone else "THEM" might derive a small benefit. This has IMO nothing to do with overcrowding as no one is going to notice a 3% increase in traffic so please skip that argument. Would you be happy if the POA at Stonecrest offered to pay into the maintenance cost for the paths? Now it wouldn't be fair for them to asked to pay for any paths other than the ones they are likely to use. Keep in mind that via their taxes they already pay for the streets. It would seem to be easy to set up a system where interested persons from Stonecrest could obtain a gate card and as we know the cards are already tracked, their POA would get a bill for each time a card is used. Everyone happy with that? Stonecrest would also pick up the cost of establishing and maintaining the hardware and software needed.

[golf2140]

I don't believe that gate was put up to stop the folks from Stonecrest. It's was put up because of the massive care center being built just north of The Villages property line. ( Forget it's name) They started to advertise that it was golf cart ride to The Villages. If I was the Morse family and a large facilty was built saying it was goft cart friendly, I would put a stop to it. The family has put in a lot of work to make The Villages what it is today.

[red tail]

don't forget the folks on paradise dr that have to endure this traffic.

[LndLocked]

I had absolutely no idea that such vast hordes of the great unwashed masses were descending on The Villages like golf cart driving invading mongrels!!? I must have missed all of the mile long traffic jams of illegal alien driven golf carts clogging the "Multi-Modal Paths" all throughout the pristine wonderfulness that is America's Friendliest Hometown"

I say why stop at just keeping those darn pesky foreign type operated golf carts out!! I mean it takes a bit of effort to get a foreign golf cart into our lil bubble of utopia .... but think about how easy it is for "outsiders" to just walk or bike in!!!

The answer is crystal clear to me. Let's use our genuine and God given 2nd amendment rights to form "A well regulated Militia" and make sure that each and every; walker, runner, cyclist (especially these annoying bike riders!), roller skaters, hula hoopers, Segway riders (don't get me started on those hipster wannabe's), dog walkers (even if they have fitted Fido with the soon to be mandatory Doggie Colostomy Bag) .... in general every living breathing soul that use's "our" Multi-Modal Paths, is in fact a card carrying The Villages resident!!!

Punishment to offenders will range from a harsh tongue lashing (for not carrying your "papers) to a caning (for not submitting for the new "TV Resident Micro Chip" implant) to a public stoning (that will teach "them")

WHO"S WITH ME!?!?!?

[rubicon]

BobAllen1290 I read both of your posts and I agree you.

The village has ben lax in tending to its gates and I believe they finally have figured that out.

this issue of Stonecrest golf carts using our paths has been going on for a long time.

I initially felt it should be challenged and was shouted down by many. suddenly the majority agree that it is a problem. Why? because of the same reasons cited years back. 1 congestion 2) they are riding free 3) despite what some believe the golf cart paths are private and paid or maintained to by village residents. Recall that the widening of the golf cart paths was not paid for by the county, not by the developer but by our amenity fees. 4) Recall I explained back in early 2007 I met a Stonecrest resident who laughed in my face because he felt he dodged the extra cost of The Villages and could still experience the Lifestyle.

finally ask yourself how long you would tolerate a person going to lunch with you and sticking you we the bill every time?

to my way of thinking we have enough gridlock on the golf cart paths now

[blueash]

[quote=senior citizen;778163]

Your remark about "fairweather friends" smells funny to me. Has Stonecrest put a hole in their fence so we can easily get into their complex to use facilities that are available to us so we can avoid the hassle at the front gate? So much of your post has nothing to do with the issue being discussed.

This is completely apples and orangutans. The streets and buildings within Stonecrest were built with private money. The residents of Stonecrest pay to build and maintain their streets. We do not. Going into Stonecrest is no different than driving into someone's personal property, coming into TV is like going into a public space. If you want to enter my home I insist that you stop at the front door and ask my permission. On the other hand I have no right to stop you from walking on the street in front of my house. There are no facilities in Stonecrest that are publicly "available to us", only those facilities they are willing to share by opening their private front door and letting us enter.

[Peachie]

The population of TV is now at 100,000 residents in the winter. There really are more as some rentals have more than 2 per home and many residents here have guests any given week. So perhaps we peak at 110,000 (wild guess?). Nonetheless, if on any given day 25% of the residents of Stonecrest and 25% of the residents of Fruitland additionally came, we might go from 110,000 people here to 114,000 people here, a MASSIVE increase in our traffic of 3% lousy percent. They would use public highways spend money inside this community which we all support. However some are opposed because the developer built the multimodal paths and now via tax-free bonds which we pay back as amenity fees and home bonds someone else "THEM" might derive a small benefit. This has IMO nothing to do with overcrowding as no one is going to notice a 3% increase in traffic so please skip that argument. Would you be happy if the POA at Stonecrest offered to pay into the maintenance cost for the paths? Now it wouldn't be fair for them to asked to pay for any paths other than the ones they are likely to use. Keep in mind that via their taxes they already pay for the streets. It would seem to be easy to set up a system where interested persons from Stonecrest could obtain a gate card and as we know the cards are already tracked, their POA would get a bill for each time a card is used. Everyone happy with that? Stonecrest would also pick up the cost of establishing and maintaining the hardware and software needed.

Blueash, I think that is tunnel vision.

First: 4,000 additional carts from outside the community on our multimodal trails is a LOT.

Second: if outlying communities are able to petition the counties to force The Villages to open their fences to the general public, you have, in essence, killed the vitality and uniqueness of The Villages. Grab a map and study the areas adjacent or accessible by the building of a cart path to The Villages. You are not talking 4,000 carts.

From my understanding, there are homes for sale in The Villages. If one desires the features of The Villages, buy in. And if you think having golf cart access to everything The Villages has to offer is a "small benefit", then why all the complaining? Get in your car and drive in.

[Peachie]

[quote=Peachie;778177]

This is completely apples and orangutans. The streets and buildings within Stonecrest were built with private money. The residents of Stonecrest pay to build and maintain their streets. We do not. Going into Stonecrest is no different than driving into someone's personal property, coming into TV is like going into a public space. If you want to enter my home I insist that you stop at the front door and ask my permission. On the other hand I have no right to stop you from walking on the street in front of my house. There are no facilities in Stonecrest that are publicly "available to us", only those facilities they are willing to share by opening their private front door and letting us enter.

Exactly! The interior of The Villages with golf cart access is for Village residents, we insist Stonecrest take the public street into the Squares and shopping centers because they didn't buy into The Villages and pay the premiums we paid for our homes for these special features.

[Peachie]

I had absolutely no idea that such vast hordes of the great unwashed masses were descending on The Villages like golf cart driving invading mongrels!!? I must have missed all of the mile long traffic jams of illegal alien driven golf carts clogging the "Multi-Modal Paths" all throughout the pristine wonderfulness that is America's Friendliest Hometown"

I say why stop at just keeping those darn pesky foreign type operated golf carts out!! I mean it takes a bit of effort to get a foreign golf cart into our lil bubble of utopia .... but think about how easy it is for "outsiders" to just walk or bike in!!!

The answer is crystal clear to me. Let's use our genuine and God given 2nd amendment rights to form "A well regulated Militia" and make sure that each and every; walker, runner, cyclist (especially these annoying bike riders!), roller skaters, hula hoopers, Segway riders (don't get me started on those hipster wannabe's), dog walkers (even if they have fitted Fido with the soon to be mandatory Doggie Colostomy Bag) .... in general every living breathing soul that use's "our" Multi-Modal Paths, is in fact a card carrying The Villages resident!!!

Punishment to offenders will range from a harsh tongue lashing (for not carrying your "papers) to a caning (for not submitting for the new "TV Resident Micro Chip" implant) to a public stoning (that will teach "them")

WHO"S WITH ME!?!?!?

The "unwashed masses" must have really bothered Stonecrest and Spruce Creek South. They put walls up and guards on duty so commoners like you and I wouldn't enter their hallowed grounds, (if you want to be that way about it, sigh....).

[co519]

I seem to be missing the point of where these private golf cart paths might be!!! From everything that I have seen as long as you can get to these paths legally with a golf cart than you can freely drive said cart on these paths. Since most of these paths are accessed from public roads I would think that maybe a yearly trail fee would be a much better approach since at this time all legal golf carts rented or owned can access all cart paths. This being said the comparison of our borders being invaded by Illegal aliens is is really far fetched.

[Peachie]

I seem to be missing the point of where these private golf cart paths might be!!! From everything that I have seen as long as you can get to these paths legally with a golf cart than you can freely drive said cart on these paths. Since most of these paths are accessed from public roads I would think that maybe a yearly trail fee would be a much better approach since at this time all legal golf carts rented or owned can access all cart paths. This being said the comparison of our borders being invaded by Illegal aliens is is really far fetched.

If you have a street legal cart that you can legally use on the highway that allows access to The Villages, you may enter that way if you want to go to the Squares or shopping centers.

Trail fees would cut it if you also include the premium price that The Village residents pay for the privilege of those cart paths. Wouldn't a simpler solution be to move to The Villages rather than standing on the other side of the fence and trying to talk the powers-that-be into giving you the same rights as The Village residents? :confused: Or you can hop in your car and come on over, the arrangement for which you paid when you purchased your home in Stonecrest or Spruce Creek, etc.

[co519]

If you have a street legal cart that you can legally use on the highway that allows access to The Villages, you may enter that way if you want to go to the Squares or shopping centers.

Trail fees would cut it if you also include the premium price that The Village residents pay for the privilege of those cart paths. Wouldn't a simpler solution be to move to The Villages rather than standing on the other side of the fence and trying to talk the powers-that-be into giving you the same rights as The Village residents? :confused:

You can enter that way to use the squares and all of the cart paths. My point is that the cart paths are not restricted to anyone that can access TV with a legal golf cart. I also don't recall me saying that I am asking anybody to give me any rights to what you have. All I am saying is that the rights to the cart paths are already there to anyone in the general public.

[DougB]

I seem to be missing the point of where these private golf cart paths might be!!! From everything that I have seen as long as you can get to these paths legally with a golf cart than you can freely drive said cart on these paths. Since most of these paths are accessed from public roads I would think that maybe a yearly trail fee would be a much better approach since at this time all legal golf carts rented or owned can access all cart paths. This being said the comparison of our borders being invaded by Illegal aliens is is really far fetched.

Where can these paths be accessed freely from a public road? There was only one I was aware of that now has a gate. With the gate, you can't get to a public road inside the Villages without a street legal. Then you might as well drive on the streets

[co519]

Where can these paths accessed freely from a public road? There was only one I was aware of that now has a gate.

Unless something has changed most if not all roads in TV are public thus they are maintained by county dollars.

[Peachie]

Unless something has changed most if not all roads in TV are public thus they are maintained by county dollars.

You can hop in your car and come on over, the arrangement for which you paid when you purchased your home in Stonecrest or Spruce Creek, etc.

Those putting out the cash for a street legal with insurance and licensing could probably afford a home in The Villages.

[graciegirl]

I just thought of something. If Stonecrest can't drive their carts here they cannot as easily play golf here, which would free up a lot of tee times.

[co519]

I just thought of something. If Stonecrest can't drive their carts here they cannot as easily play golf here, which would free up a lot of tee times.

Do you really believe that it is Stonecrest that is Clogging up your tee times!!:a20:

[Peachie]

Do you really believe that it is Stonecrest that is Clogging up your tee times!!:a20:

So if they're not golfing here on the championship courses, they can just hop in their car to run errands. Problem solved since there is public transportation available to medical facilities, no? :pepper2:

[DonH57]

So if they're not golfing here on the premier courses, they can just hop in their car to run errands. Problem solved since there is public transportation available to medical facilities, no? :pepper2:

Because of the alternative of using public roads to get to medical appointments and such I really don't see the stonecrest poa's letter referencing ADA holding water. Village residents having the priveledge of using the gate is no different than the stonecrest residents using their gates. The stonecrest gates abutt public property as well but the village residents arn't allowed to use those gates. I really don't see the letter doing any service to other community residents.

[co519]

Because of the alternative of using public roads to get to medical appointments and such I really don't see the stonecrest poa's letter referencing ADA holding water. Village residents having the priveledge of using the gate is no different than the stonecrest residents using their gates. The stonecrest gates abutt public property as well but the village residents arn't allowed to use those gates. I really don't see the letter doing any service to other community residents.

All Stonecrest gates are on private property which is quite different than those in the Villages!!!!

[Peachie]

All Stonecrest gates are on private property which is quite different than those in the Villages!!!!

co519, I feel a bit sorry for you... it seems you want what The Villages has to offer but bought in the wrong community for your needs. Have you thought about moving here? :shrug:

[DonH57]

All Stonecrest gates are on private property which is quite different than those in the Villages!!!!

I'm aware only that the streets on the villages are for public use and none of the streets in stonecrest are. I believe if this new gate had been built for automobiles it would be a different story. I'm not the developer and I'm not a lawyer. They could very easily left that wall up. What if the access behind the power station by wallmart was fenced up. That is private property. Where would they go then?

[CFrance]

All Stonecrest gates are on private property which is quite different than those in the Villages!!!!

The Paradise gate is not an automobile gate and is on private property now, I believe.

[jbdlfan]

I really don't care either way on this issue, but I do believe it would be quite comical if a wall was built just outside the medical facilities to prohibit access from TV to the Lowes shopping center, Aldis and WalMart. Hmmmm.....I wonder if there would be any outcry over public access????

[co519]

co519, I feel a bit sorry for you... it seems you want what The Villages has to offer but bought in the wrong community for your needs. Have you thought about moving here? :shrug:

Really Peachie!!! Last thing I will ever need or want is for you to feel sorry for me!!! Yes we did consider the Villages but thanks to the poor sales person in TV we made what we consider a much wiser decision of buying in Stonecrest. If it is the cart trails that I want to ride it is that that I will do as it is my right to access these PUBLIC areas areas of the Villages but thanks for your concern!!!

[Peachie]

I really don't care either way on this issue, but I do believe it would be quite comical if a wall was built just outswide the medical facilities to prohibit access from TV to the Lowes shopping center, Aldis and WalMart. Hmmmm.....I wonder if there would be any outcry over public access????

I'm sure there would be a public outcry by those that trespass on those properties but it is the same set of circumstances. If one has built one's activities around illegal trespassing, one has little ground to stand on when it is halted. I would assume one day down the road, that access will close up for people living in The Villages too.

[co519]

I really don't care either way on this issue, but I do believe it would be quite comical if a wall was built just outside the medical facilities to prohibit access from TV to the Lowes shopping center, Aldis and WalMart. Hmmmm.....I wonder if there would be any outcry over public access????

Agree!!!!!:pepper2:

[Peachie]

Really Peachie!!! Last thing I will ever need or want is for you to feel sorry for me!!! Yes we did consider the Villages but thanks to the poor sales person in TV we made what we consider a much wiser decision of buying in Stonecrest. If it is the cart trails that I want to ride it is that that I will do as it is my right to access these PUBLIC areas areas of the Villages but thanks for your concern!!!

If you have a street legal, this should be a non-issue for you to start with and if the Stonecrest decision was much wiser, if baffles me as to why you need to be in The Villages so often. :shrug:

Enjoy your street legal and the day!

[mickey100]

Do you really believe that it is Stonecrest that is Clogging up your tee times!!:a20:

Originally Posted by graciegirl:
I just thought of something. If Stonecrest can't drive their carts here they cannot as easily play golf here, which would free up a lot of tee times.


Really. Why would anyone at Stonecrest come to The Villages to play golf. During the high season its almost impossible to get a teetime for a non-resident, and the golfing rates are more expensive than golfing outside The Villages. :1rotfl:

[njbchbum]

Really. Why would anyone at Stonecrest come to The Villages to play golf. During the high season its almost impossible to get a teetime for a non-resident, and the golfing rates are more expensive than golfing outside The Villages. :1rotfl:

Because they golf with villages residents as part of a 2some or 4some maybe?

And the 'season' is comparatively brief when compared to the remainder of the year - no? During 'the season it could be more beneficial for those golf groups to do their golfing @ Stonecrest - no?

[Peachie]

Really. Why would anyone at Stonecrest come to The Villages to play golf. During the high season its almost impossible to get a teetime for a non-resident, and the golfing rates are more expensive than golfing outside The Villages. :1rotfl:

I might be able to help you 'cipher that one Mickey...

1.) Playing the same 18 holes over and over gets boring...

2.) They were able to bring their own golf carts over to The Villages to golf and didn't have to rent one...

[co519]

If you have a street legal, this should be a non-issue for you to start with and if the Stonecrest decision was much wiser, if baffles me as to why you need to be in The Villages so often. :shrug:

Enjoy your street legal and the day!

Best of Both worlds!!!:icon_wink:

And you have a nice day too!!!!

[DonH57]

The reason I brought up about other access points that can be easily shut off to all is due to the fact the last time I went to walmart from behind Aldi's it had been raining on and off. I noticed on my return that several carts had cut to the right of the dirt path which was then mud. They had cut thru by the fenced electrical yard, basically was a very stupid thing to do. The no trepass sign had also been run over. I have a feeling the power company may not tolerate trepassing and for liability reasons close it up to all.

[Marigold]

I have been reading a lot of well thought out responses as well as some viewpoints that I don't quite understand. One would think that some people from Stonecrest would benefit from starting their own chat forum, "Talk of Stonecrest" or something like that to discuss their issues about leaving Stonecrest. Seems like they don't have much to do there and want out.
Devil's advocate......what if there was no Villages with all the healthcare, entertainment, shopping, etc.............would they still move to Stonecrest?

[co519]

I have been reading a lot of well thought out responses as well as some viewpoints that I don't quite understand. One would think that some people from Stonecrest would benefit from starting their own chat forum, "Talk of Stonecrest" or something like that to discuss their issues about leaving Stonecrest. Seems like they don't have much to do there and want out.
Devil's advocate......what if there was no Villages with all the healthcare, entertainment, shopping, etc.............would they still move to Stonecrest?

And the same back to you without all the healthcare, entertainment, shopping, etc.............would they still move to The Villages!!!!!

[Peachie]

And the same back to you without all the healthcare, entertainment, shopping, etc.............would they still move to The Villages!!!!!

But that may be where you're missing the link, those features are The Villages. We don't have to live without them.

What was asked is if they plunked Stonecrest down in a field in the middle of nowhere, would you be enthralled with the compound and move there?

[co519]

But that may be where you're missing the link, those features are The Villages. We don't have to live without them.

What was asked is if they plunked Stonecrest down in a field in the middle of nowhere, would you be enthralled with the compound and move there?

And that was my same question back at you since Stonecrest has the same access to these and we don't have to live without them either. Obviously location is a large consideration wherever you move. You threw a hypothetical possibility at me and I did the same.

[Mikeod]

Really Peachie!!! Last thing I will ever need or want is for you to feel sorry for me!!! Yes we did consider the Villages but thanks to the poor sales person in TV we made what we consider a much wiser decision of buying in Stonecrest. If it is the cart trails that I want to ride it is that that I will do as it is my right to access these PUBLIC areas areas of the Villages but thanks for your concern!!!

You do understand that the path from the gate to Paradise Dr. is private property owned and maintained by the VCCDD?. So, in order for you to get to the "public" roads, you have to travel over private property in TV.

[CFrance]

And that was my same question back at you since Stonecrest has the same access to these and we don't have to live without them either. Obviously location is a large consideration wherever you move. You threw a hypothetical possibility at me and I did the same.

You have the same access to them if you get in your car. You just can't get to TV facilities in a golf cart.

Someone answer a question for me, please... Now that the Paradise gate is closed to anyone not a TV resident, is there any golf cart access point anywhere to non TV residents?

If there isn't, then co519, you cannot use the mult-imodal paths because they are only accessible from within TV, and you could not enter TV in your golf cart.

I think that is what Peachie is saying--you could only access them with a street-legal cart.

[co519]

You have the same access to them if you get in your car. You just can't get to TV facilities in a golf cart.

Someone answer a question for me, please... Now that the Paradise gate is closed to anyone not a TV resident, is there any golf cart access point anywhere to non TV residents?

If there isn't, then co519, you cannot use the mult-imodal paths because they are only accessible from within TV, and you could not enter TV in your golf cart.

I think that is what Peachie is saying--you could only access them with a street-legal cart.

As far as I know you are correct. The only way is by street legal. That will be a choice that I will have to consider!

[NoMoSno]

Someone answer a question for me, please... Now that the Paradise gate is closed to anyone not a TV resident, is there any golf cart access point anywhere to non TV residents?


There are many access points to TV, from Spruce Creek South.:gc:
Most will not travel the terrain to access them, however...

[graciegirl]

As far as I know you are correct. The only way is by street legal. That will be a choice that I will have to consider!


It would be simple to sell a home in Stonecrest and move to the Villages. While the homes in The Villages are still affordable.

We all have choices that are above board and none of us have to choose devious ways to accomplish our goals, dreams or wants.

On this forum I have learned what a Contrarian is, what a red herring is, what happens when having a giving attitude toward others is taken advantage of and I have learned about how being sensible and realistic is usually the best course. And it has reinforced my belief that we all need to learn to take care of ourselves, and save for the future. It is not other people's responsibility to look after us and give us what we want when we can get it for ourselves by careful planning, work, and some sacrifice..and if that doesn't work, shift to other goals and dreams.

Wanting something is not reason enough to think we are entitled to it.

[CFrance]

There are many access points to TV, from Spruce Creek South.:gc:
Most will not travel the terrain to access them, however...

Are you saying that you would have to drive across unpaved parts of land to get onto the TV paths? Not a traditional path built by TV? I was asking about paved, permitted access into TV by golf cart.

[sailor47]

The developer has a very important carrot that he can use to bring in commercial customers. From restaurants to hardware stores he can offer Golf Cart accessibility. That's a big deal. He has marketed this with his customers and it would be stupid for him to allow an erosion of this sales tool.

The paradise gate is just one place that surrounding communities or businesses outside of TV would like to have the ability to enter TV by golf cart. Has nothing to do with public roads, all these golf cart paths where they enter TV are on private property.

The developer, I think, will eventually build out. Then his only source of income will be commercially leased properties. Which is a really big deal. I for one hope he makes a bunch on his commercial interests so that the quality of life and higher standards can be maintained that are the reasons we bought here in the first place.

[graciegirl]

The developer has a very important carrot that he can use to bring in commercial customers. From restaurants to hardware stores he can offer Golf Cart accessibility. That's a big deal. He has marketed this with his customers and it would be stupid for him to allow an erosion of this sales tool.

The paradise gate is just one place that surrounding communities or businesses outside of TV would like to have the ability to enter TV by golf cart. Has nothing to do with public roads, all these golf cart paths where they enter TV are on private property.

The developer, I think, will eventually build out. Then his only source of income will be commercially leased properties. Which is a really big deal. I for one hope he makes a bunch on his commercial interests so that the quality of life and higher standards can be maintained that are the reasons we bought here in the first place.


You are right of course, SumterInc. is in it to turn a profit. That is o.k. with me. Gary Morse is NOT our mother, but I am content to be his foster child as long as I can live here.

He and his family, and his staff and builders and ALL of the wise, smart folks who have planned this and built it have learned as they grew. His success translates into our success, if you consider your home an investment.

It is not sinful to be successful financially no matter what some few folks think. I think there are four now who live in TV who think that way. Maybe five. ;)

[DonH57]

I'm glad Gary Morse had the dream and good business sense to get the best people to build the villages. Like any business endeavor it could have easily failed under a different business model. Nothing wrong at all with being successfull and giving back is equally important. Is everyone happy? Maybe not but you can't please everyone.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

If Stonecrest ownership or management is so concerned about the ability of their residents to have golf cart access to the Villages Hospital and the VA, why don't they go through the trouble and expense of having a golf cart bridge or tunnel that crosses 27/441? They could even petition Sumter County to create some kind of variance that allows golf carts to cross at the pedestrian crossings. That would make the gold cart ride to the hospital and VA a lot shorter for them.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

And the same back to you without all the healthcare, entertainment, shopping, etc.............would they still move to The Villages!!!!!
Umm....all of that healthcare, shopping, entertainment etc has been built by the Villages to attract people to their development.

[golf2140]

Gracie for President Let's start a committee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!:pepper2:

[CFrance]

You are right of course, SumterInc. is in it to turn a profit. That is o.k. with me. Gary Morse is NOT our mother, but I am content to be his foster child as long as I can live here.

He and his family, and his staff and builders and ALL of the wise, smart folks who have planned this and built it have learned as they grew. His success translates into our success, if you consider your home an investment.

It is not sinful to be successful financially no matter what some few folks think. I think there are four now who live in TV who think that way. Maybe five. ;)

The Morse family, in protecting their investment and profits, are protecting our home values. I'm all for that.:pepper2:

[Bosoxfan]

For me added traffic is not the point. I pay a monthly fee plus I paid a premium on my home price so I could enjoy what TV has to offer. Those that want to use the multi-modal paths should have to do the same thing

Finally a voice of reason in all this! It's not just the amenities & the fees related to using the multi modal paths it's more about the premium we all paid for our homes that those outside our community didn't pay figuring they could get more house & still enjoy what we have.:BigApplause::bigbow::BigApplause:

[ellie123]

Problem with that is the cars will take up more parking spaces than the golf carts.

[mickey100]

I might be able to help you 'cipher that one Mickey...

1.) Playing the same 18 holes over and over gets boring...

2.) They were able to bring their own golf carts over to The Villages to golf and didn't have to rent one...

I think you're having a little problem with your "ciphering". The rates at Stonecrest include a cart. At the Villages, residents can use their own carts, yes, but they are paying for the carts themselves, the maintenance, gas, electric bill, etc. and of course the cost of the priority membership, which is $745 for a single or $950 for a couple.The priority rates for golf in The Villages are simiiar to rates in Stonecrest and other neighboring courses, but after adding on all the abovementioned costs, you are paying more to play golf here. Also, the rates for non-residents to play golf in The Villages are exorbitant, and its almost impossible for a non-resident to get a tee time in the high season. Why would a Stonecrest resident come here and pay $70 to play a round of golf, assuming he/she could even get a tee time, when they get a resident discount to play their own course, ppay $35 or less,and they are assured of a tee time? What you do see happen quite frequently is that Villagers go off campus to enjoy a variety of courses and/or play with friends who are not residents. There are a number of men's and ladies groups that do this on a regular basis.

[Peachie]

I think you're having a little problem with your "ciphering". The rates at Stonecrest include a cart. At the Villages, residents can use their own carts, yes, but they are paying for the carts themselves, the maintenance, gas, electric bill, etc. and of course the cost of the priority membership, which is $745 for a single or $950 for a couple.The priority rates for golf in The Villages are simiiar to rates in Stonecrest and other neighboring courses, but after adding on all the abovementioned costs, you are paying more to play golf here. Also, the rates for non-residents to play golf in The Villages are exorbitant, and its almost impossible for a non-resident to get a tee time in the high season. Why would a Stonecrest resident come here and pay $70 to play a round of golf, assuming he/she could even get a tee time, when they get a resident discount to play their own course, ppay $35 or less,and they are assured of a tee time? What you do see happen quite frequently is that Villagers go off campus to enjoy a variety of courses and/or play with friends who are not residents. There are a number of men's and ladies groups that do this on a regular basis.

I think you lost sight of your question which I answered, "why would anyone at Stonecrest come to The Villages to golf. This was not about what The Villagers pay to golf...

If a Stonecrester could drive their regular golf cart into The Villages to golf they could: drive right out of their garage with the clubs on the cart without loading and unloading their equipment twice from the car; they could stay local and save much in time and gas costs; they would have a variety of courses, (and tee times are not as difficult to obtain as everyone would have you believe, this is particularly true if they have a friend or group they play with that lives in The Villages and they play the championship courses); the golfers also have a wide variety of restaurants and clubs at which they can grab lunch and tip a beverage with their friends after their round of golf. As far as fees go, summer rates are almost half of the winter rates and are a terrific deal. It is my understanding that a good number of Stonecresters are fulltimers.

These are some reasons Stonecresters may be interested in golfing in The Villages. What you determine to be outrageous prices can be quite a deal with all of the above taken into consideration. The fees charged for golf are nothing to some people who, in their previous lives, belonged to a country club. You may also want to consider that many golfers like a variety of challenges on different courses, not the same ole, same ole.

Note: Anyone else wish this thread would dry up and go away?

[Bogie Shooter]

I think you lost sight of your question which I answered, "why would anyone at Stonecrest come to The Villages to golf. This was not about what The Villagers pay to golf...

If a Stonecrester could drive their regular golf cart into The Villages to golf they could: drive right out of their garage with the clubs on the cart without loading and unloading their equipment twice from the car; they could stay local and save much in time and gas costs; they would have a variety of courses, (and tee times are not as difficult to obtain as everyone would have you believe, this is particularly true if they have a friend or group they play with that lives in The Villages and they play the championship courses); the golfers also have a wide variety of restaurants and clubs at which they can grab lunch and tip a beverage with their friends after their round of golf. As far as fees go, summer rates are almost half of the winter rates and are a terrific deal. It is my understanding that a good number of Stonecresters are fulltimers.

These are some reasons Stonecresters may be interested in golfing in The Villages. What you determine to be outrageous prices can be quite a deal with all of the above taken into consideration. The fees charged for golf are nothing to some people who, in their previous lives, belonged to a country club. You may also want to consider that many golfers like a variety of challenges on different courses, not the same ole, same ole.

Note: Anyone else wish this thread would dry up and go away?

No, just some of the posters!:wave:

[rhondac]

Problem with that is the cars will take up more parking spaces than the golf carts.

I vote for golf cart parking only, around the squares perimeters!!! solves that!....not really, but....I have been quiet on TOTV, surely not the fun place I knew....lol... but agree that the gate belongs there.......always wondered why it was gone(broken gate since 2004)...Villager since 10/2004! I personally have heard many people from STONECREST joke about saving $ on their houses and boasting about using The Villages amenities (yes, golf after hours....and KBs(just befriend a Villager)EASY!) ha! ....etc., etc....sorry, but, want use???? Buy here. Simple as that. Could have, should have doesn't work. Sorry.

[Barboza]

You would be surprised & how would you feel about having to pay for outsiders to use the cart paths. What about increased amount of Golf Carts around town & bound to be increased accidents & we may then lose the right to use carts ourselves

[patfla06]

It would be simple to sell a home in Stonecrest and move to the Villages. While the homes in The Villages are still affordable.

We all have choices that are above board and none of us have to choose devious ways to accomplish our goals, dreams or wants.

On this forum I have learned what a Contrarian is, what a red herring is, what happens when having a giving attitude toward others is taken advantage of and I have learned about how being sensible and realistic is usually the best course. And it has reinforced my belief that we all need to learn to take care of ourselves, and save for the future. It is not other people's responsibility to look after us and give us what we want when we can get it for ourselves by careful planning, work, and some sacrifice..and if that doesn't work, shift to other goals and dreams.

Wanting something is not reason enough to think we are entitled to it.

Amen!