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[TVMayor]

Workaround to Morse's Concrete Curtain
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:09 PM

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Default Workaround to Morse's Concrete Curtain
I have come up with a potential plan to share with you if you’re willing to put the time into it. Here it is:

Go to google earth (or whatever mapping software you have) and type in this address “Bowersox Dr. Lady Lake, FL”.

To the left of Bowersox Dr. is an empty lot that is an unpaved street continuance of Bowersox under the control of the town of Lady Lake. To the left of that you will see a rather large (24 acre) lot and residence that is owned by Mr. Ron Brown, the original owner of much of the land around here. And then to the left of that is Lowes.

Now before I say anything else, do not, repeat, DO NOT starting using this entrance because you’ll be trespassing across his residential property and he is the last person you want to pi$$ of at this point. Remember he was instrumental in getting approval for a paved path through the new HarborChase complex and across his commercial property.

Instead work with Elaine Dreidame of the POA to get a meeting with HarborChase of Villages Crossing. The objective would be to see if Mr. Brown would be willing to allow temporary golf cart access through the lower part of his property until the wall issue is somehow resolved.

Remember the Mr. Brown sold the land to Harbor Chase and worked with them to get a paved path approved by the town. So if Gary Morse built the Concrete Curtain to put the screws them, this might be a great way to stick him back.

Also, from the information in the Lady Lake Land Records, it appears that this little plot of land next to Bowersox is not part of Orange Blossoms Hills and is therefore not subject to their deed restrictions that might otherwise preclude using this property for a cart path.

Comments and discussions are encouraged but please keep this thread limited to discussing this potential workaround and not the wall itself.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/workaround-morses-concrete-curtain-85219/

EdV a man who I judge to be a smart man after reading hundreds of this post and Mr. Ron Brown who I have spoke with, I judge to be super nice person between the two I think the Stonecrest residents have a way to Spanish springs by golf cart.

This was posted back when the Wall went up and before the one way gate was constructed. It looks like this could be a good workaround for Stonecrest residents.

EdV has chosen to go silent, our loss.

[Bogie Shooter]

What is the purpose of this post?

[TVMayor]

What is the purpose of this post?

Your post is nonresponsive to the subject.

[Peachie]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/workaround-morses-concrete-curtain-85219/

EdV a man who I judge to be a smart man after reading hundreds of this post and Mr. Ron Brown who I have spoke with, I judge to be super nice person between the two I think the Stonecrest residents have a way to Spanish springs by golf cart.

This was posted back when the Wall went up and before the one way gate was constructed. It looks like this could be a good workaround for Stonecrest residents.

EdV has chosen to go silent, our loss.

What is the purpose of this post?

[njbchbum]

I'd like to know, also...what is the purpose of this post?

[graciegirl]

What is the purpose of the OP's post?

Other thoughts;

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/174000.html

[redwitch]

There still would be the issue of Stonecrest residents using the path to get to the bridge crossing 441. Given the developer's adamant position that no non-Villagers are to use the private paths, not sure how this would work.

[Peachie]

There still would be the issue of Stonecrest residents using the path to get to the bridge crossing 441. Given the developer's adamant position that no non-Villagers are to use the private paths, not sure how this would work.

Redwitch, if you look at the OP's, (I think...) purpose for this post, he's encouraging people to trespass and is advising this is a way to get into The Villages illegally.

TV Mayor's post: "This was posted back when the Wall went up and before the one way gate was constructed. It looks like this could be a good workaround for Stonecrest residents".

I'm not an attorney but I think he may have put his patoot on the line for lawsuits if anyone is injured, arrested, fined, trespassed against since he made the recommendation for this situation. We all know any computer posting or usage is traceable and perhaps the Mayor will be very liable for promoting this situation.

I'm also totally convinced there are trolls doing their work here and they would be just as liable.

[Taltarzac725]

I doubt seriously if something someone said on TOTV could arguably be the basis of a lawsuit for trespass. These people are responsible for their own actions. Of course, lawyers can make an argument for just about anything. There could be a lawsuit on it, but would it get anywhere at all? Interesting question. It will have been 25 years in May 2014 since I graduated from Law School so I am very rusty.

[onslowe]

Curiously detailed recipe for mischief,IMHO. Is 'workaround' a new non-word euphemism for 'criminal activity' like trespass?

[Skybo]

EdV's original post proposed this as a way to "allow temporary golf cart access through the lower part of his property until the wall issue has been resolved."

But the wall issue has been resolved. The gate is up and it's a done deal. So I join with the others in wondering what the point of this thread is.

[TVMayor]

Curiously detailed recipe for mischief,IMHO. Is 'workaround' a new non-word euphemism for 'criminal activity' like trespass?

Driving on public roads in the historical area and Spanish Springs would not be trespassing. The bridge over 441 I daknow. Crossing Mr. Ron Browns property with permission not trespassing.

[fromct]

I think 'Hizzoner' was feeling lonely so he decided to see if his peeps were still paying attention - or maybe he's looking to expand his political empire to include Stonecrest................

[Bogie Shooter]

Will there be another election..................soon?

[graciegirl]

Will there be another election..................soon?


Oh I wish.

[Peachie]

Driving on public roads in the historical area and Spanish Springs would not be trespassing. The bridge over 441 I daknow. Crossing Mr. Ron Browns property with permission not trespassing.

And how do you think that big ole insurance policy Mr. Brown would be required to have, since he would be creating a public road and would be open to lawsuits galore, would be paid?

[graciegirl]

Your homework class. Read all of the OP's posts.

[Peachie]

Your homework class. Read all of the OP's posts.

Ah, got it now.

[jbdlfan]

I find it interesting that we as Villagers are all of the sudden concerned about trespassing, when we have been doing just that in order to access Lowe's and beyond. Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't that private property that Villagers have been rolling across for several years to get to Walmart? Just seems a bit hypocritical to use that argument now. I get the gate....MM Paths...bridge....amenity fees....I pay for it....that is a valid argument. But trespassing?

[Peachie]

I find it interesting that we as Villagers are all of the sudden concerned about trespassing, when we have been doing just that in order to access Lowe's and beyond. Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't that private property that Villagers have been rolling across for several years to get to Walmart? Just seems a bit hypocritical to use that argument now. I get the gate....MM Paths...bridge....amenity fees....I pay for it....that is a valid argument. But trespassing?

Trespassing is entering anothers property without permission, no matter which residents are doing so. Watch for further restrictions down the road from businesses and private property owners in that area abutting 441.

Anyone looking to buy or who already lives in the Historic Section should be prepared for a correction, to the access they are using at this time, which would bar future use of this private property.

[njbchbum]

I find it interesting that we as Villagers are all of the sudden concerned about trespassing, when we have been doing just that in order to access Lowe's and beyond. Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't that private property that Villagers have been rolling across for several years to get to Walmart? Just seems a bit hypocritical to use that argument now. I get the gate....MM Paths...bridge....amenity fees....I pay for it....that is a valid argument. But trespassing?

the golf cart path up to lowe's/walmart has been crossed with the expressed permission of the owner, mr. brown...who, btw, went above and beyond the sale of his property to the assisted living facility to insure that the path would be accessible thru their property! thus, I believe, your statement re tresspass/hypocrisy holds no water.

property beyone that to access aldi's is crowwed without permission of the energy company, so there might be tresspass there.

[njbchbum]

Trespassing is entering anothers property without permission, no matter which residents are doing so. Watch for further restrictions down the road from businesses and private property owners in that area abutting 441.

Anyone looking to buy or who already lives in the Historic Section should be prepared for a correction, to the access they are using at this time, which would bar future use of this private property.

Peachie - do you know something or have access to info that those of us in the historic neighborhoods don't?

[Peachie]

Peachie - do you know something or have access to info that those of us in the historic neighborhoods don't?

Honestly, njbchbum, I do not have information about changes that may happen along the path by 441, but I remember how off-guard people were when the first wall went up. I got the impression that many who bought in the Historic Section were unaware that access to those stores could be changed at any time.

My statement was to make people aware it's bound to happen, sooner or later. Either access to that strip of stores will close or residents will be charged to use the private property to cross there to offset insurance costs and path maintenance. The property owners and businesses, by allowing people unfettered access across their land, are pretty much accepting liability for those travelers.

It's my hope that the residents of the Historic Section are able to make some good decisions now for a change that most likely will occur shortly regarding those private properties.

[Bogie Shooter]

Same oh , same oh.........................

[Peachie]

Same oh , same oh.........................

I hear ya, Bogie. Have you tried the "Ignore" button? :crap2:

[Challenger]

Uninformed speculation is the worst kind of "stuff" This site is becoming filled with "stuff"

I hope this "stuff" does not cause people to take actions and make decisions that are based on this "stuff"

from: Stuffy

[keywest]

Remember Villagers, when you enter in through " the gate" , make sure no one "tailgates" through behind you.

[Bogie Shooter]

Remember Villagers, when you enter in through " the gate" , make sure no one "tailgates" through behind you.

what if they are a Villager?

[red tail]

im a villager and I 'tailgate' all the time if I can.

[Indydealmaker]

Tailgating, or the attempt to enter through a gate without using the button or passcard, is what has resulted in much of the damage to the gates. This is a waste of our funds. The sign at the gates clearly warns that the gates close after each car. Be responsible and wait another ten seconds!

[keywest]

im a villager and I 'tailgate' all the time if I can.

Then you'll have to change your ways through that particular gate.

[JeffAVEWS]

Removed

[DonH57]

Then you'll have to change your ways through that particular gate.

That particular gate opens slowly but closes guickly and will definately chew up a cart. Why tailgate in the first place?

[Rickg]

Life is too short to worry about this.

[perrjojo]

im a villager and I 'tailgate' all the time if I can.

Why???

[Steve & Deanna]

Who is Ed V? A Villages wannabe? Sounds like he's crying. Where I come from, trespassing is illegal.....sorta like cattle russlin' !!!

[Mikeod]

Who is Ed V? A Villages wannabe? Sounds like he's crying. Where I come from, trespassing is illegal.....sorta like cattle russlin' !!!
Please don't judge EdV from that post alone. If I remember correctly, he made that post when the wall went up and it was more of an attempt to find a way for Stonecrest residents to get to medical facilities than a way to access TV paths and facilties.

In the past EdV has been a good source of information regarding many aspects of TV despite not living here.,

[graciegirl]

Please don't judge EdV from that post alone. If I remember correctly, he made that post when the wall went up and it was more of an attempt to find a way for Stonecrest residents to get to medical facilities than a way to access TV paths and facilties.

In the past EdV has been a good source of information regarding many aspects of TV despite not living here.,


I agree. He is a wonderful source of correct information about the IRS inquiry. He is fair and very smart and I miss him.

[n8xwb]

This post is a fraud in my opinion. The author declares he lives in "the village of stonecrest!?#(@ Seems to me that isn't in The Villages or am I confused??

[SusanOfWoodbury]

Solution... Build another bridge over Rt 441 so that StoneCrest can cross the road.

[chuckinca]

Solution - return it to the way it has been for the past ten years or more.

What advantage is it to villagers on the north side if TV expands into Fruitland Park or Wildwood and the developer wants to lie about cart access from other adjacent communities. Why is the developer still involved in the management of the north side villages?

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[Bogie Shooter]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/workaround-morses-concrete-curtain-85219/

EdV a man who I judge to be a smart man after reading hundreds of this post and Mr. Ron Brown who I have spoke with, I judge to be super nice person between the two I think the Stonecrest residents have a way to Spanish springs by golf cart.

This was posted back when the Wall went up and before the one way gate was constructed. It looks like this could be a good workaround for Stonecrest residents.

EdV has chosen to go silent, our loss.

I repeat what was the purpose of this original post?

[southguy66]

Solution - return it to the way it has been for the past ten years or more.


. For sure, remember before the wall, nothing was said about Stonecrest, but then the wall was put up so people could not get OUT. Now, the 'outsiders' are all we hear about using the Village trails, when in fact, we are using trails that are not ours, to get to Walmart, etc.

[CraigC]

I believe if most people were certain that Stonecrest would be the only community that would ever have/want golf cart access to The Villages, most would agree that it isn't worth the cost or trouble to install resident only gates.

The area around Stonecrest has largely been developed, and for this reason, many both in Stonecrest and the historic district of The Villages aren't worried about golf cart ingress from other communities. However, south of 466, there is a tremendous amount of undeveloped land East, West, and South of The Villages. If golf cart access is allowed from one community, it will make it more difficult or impossible to deny access to other communities. While it may not happen this year or the next, it is highly likely that new adjacent communities will develop, not to mention the cities of Fruitland Park and Wildwood.

A very large portion of the Villagers that I know aren't spiteful, and don't want to punish Stonecrest, but they also don't want to see the Village's cart paths overrun by non-Villagers. The potential for this to happen is very high if access is not limited to Villagers.

[Ceafolks]

I repeat what was the purpose of this original post?

Could it be that the OP has been impeached ?? :o

[graciegirl]

Solution - return it to the way it has been for the past ten years or more.

What advantage is it to villagers on the north side if TV expands into Fruitland Park or Wildwood and the developer wants to lie about cart access from other adjacent communities. Why is the developer still involved in the management of the north side villages?

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You are a very nice person but if I recall you live in Stonecrest.

Some of us who live in The Villages, that would be me and my family, like how the developer and his family run things here. I have no need to serve on any committees or vote for anyone with big egos.

Where do you find that the Morses are telling lies about cart access?

It is now the Stonecrest ad by the Stonecrest developer that will have to change the lines about golfcart accessible to The Villages.

I like folks from Stonecrest, but you live there and we live here. If we live here and wanted access to your indoor pool would you allow it? You do not allow easy access into your community.

One just makes choices as to where they live and what comes with that ownership and what does not.

Here is the Stonecrest ad that says Stonecrest has golf cart access to The Villages.


http://thestonecrestcountryclub.com/


If I were a builder in business to sell houses, that would be a good line. Business is business don't you know.

[n8xwb]

Well said, Graciegirl...if Stoncrest residents care to use The Village's cart paths, they are welcome to buy a home in The Villages.

[DonH57]

Very well put Gracie. Any other outside community or business developer will no longer be able to use the" access to the villages " ploy in their advertising but no garantee they'll stop.

[2BNTV]

Well said, Graciegirl...if Stoncrest residents care to use The Village's cart paths, they are welcome to buy a home in The Villages.

:agree:

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time". :D

[njbchbum]

Solution - return it to the way it has been for the past ten years or more.

What advantage is it to villagers on the north side if TV expands into Fruitland Park or Wildwood and the developer wants to lie about cart access from other adjacent communities. Why is the developer still involved in the management of the north side villages?

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Perhaps the developer is still involved because we of the north side are still a part of the villages?

And as far as returning access to the way it used to be - that should be left as a song concept for barbra streisand or people who are trying to get back their old insurance policies that were canceled.

[Challenger]

Post #47 Graciegirl

Right on, as usual - Why does that not surprise me anymore?

[njbchbum]

For sure, remember before the wall, nothing was said about Stonecrest, but then the wall was put up so people could not get OUT. Now, the 'outsiders' are all we hear about using the Village trails, when in fact, we are using trails that are not ours, to get to Walmart, etc.

But we are doing so with the permission and the facilitation of the owner of that path to Walmart/Lowes.

[asianthree]

Well said GG

[obxgal]

You are a very nice person but if I recall you live in Stonecrest.

Some of us who live in The Villages, that would be me and my family, like how the developer and his family run things here. I have no need to serve on any committees or vote for anyone with big egos.

Where do you find that the Morses are telling lies about cart access?

It is now the Stonecrest ad by the Stonecrest developer that will have to change the lines about golfcart accessible to The Villages.

I like folks from Stonecrest, but you live there and we live here. If we live here and wanted access to your indoor pool would you allow it? You do not allow easy access into your community.

One just makes choices as to where they live and what comes with that ownership and what does not.

Here is the Stonecrest ad that says Stonecrest has golf cart access to The Villages.


Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida (http://thestonecrestcountryclub.com/)


If I were a builder in business to sell houses, that would be a good line. Business is business don't you know.

At the bottom of their webpage is an email address that you can click on (info@armstronghomes.net) .... you can always email them and ask why they are advertising "And take a short golf cart ride to all the amenities in The Villages, including shopping, healthcare and entertainment." Now that the gate is in place.

[rubicon]

I repeat what was the purpose of this original post?

Bogie shooter You are spot on but you won't get a straight answer because the answer is obvious.

This discussion concerning outsiders use of private cat paths is as old as The villages. The main difference finally is that village residents finally recognized that it is a big concern, something I have steadily repeated for the last 7 years.

The Developer is wise in protecting his brand an I for one am thankful that he is doing so because the cat paths are beginning to feel like I-4

[keywest]

You are a very nice person but if I recall you live in Stonecrest.

Some of us who live in The Villages, that would be me and my family, like how the developer and his family run things here. I have no need to serve on any committees or vote for anyone with big egos.

Where do you find that the Morses are telling lies about cart access?

It is now the Stonecrest ad by the Stonecrest developer that will have to change the lines about golfcart accessible to The Villages.

I like folks from Stonecrest, but you live there and we live here. If we live here and wanted access to your indoor pool would you allow it? You do not allow easy access into your community.

One just makes choices as to where they live and what comes with that ownership and what does not.

Here is the Stonecrest ad that says Stonecrest has golf cart access to The Villages.


Stonecrest Country Club - Armstrong Homes - Active Adult Living Florida (http://thestonecrestcountryclub.com/)


If I were a builder in business to sell houses, that would be a good line. Business is business don't you know.

Gracie.....Perfectly thought out and written. Now it's time for the Stonecrest advertising team to change their wording, as it no longer applies!:clap2::clap2:

[chuckinca]

For sure, remember before the wall, nothing was said about Stonecrest, but then the wall was put up so people could not get OUT. Now, the 'outsiders' are all we hear about using the Village trails, when in fact, we are using trails that are not ours, to get to Walmart, etc.




True

To bad the friendly village people on this site can't understand this fact.



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[njbchbum]

For sure, remember before the wall, nothing was said about Stonecrest, but then the wall was put up so people could not get OUT. Now, the 'outsiders' are all we hear about using the Village trails, when in fact, we are using trails that are not ours, to get to Walmart, etc.[/QUOTE]

But we are doing so with the permission and the facilitation of the owner of that path to Walmart/Lowes.

[quote=njbchbum;781255]


True

To bad the friendly village people on this site can't understand this fact.

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But isn't the difference that the villagers have permission to use the path to lowes/walmart and stonecrest residents do not have permission to enter the villages via golf cart?

[CFrance]

[quote=chuckinca;782161]

But isn't the difference that the villagers have permission to use the path to lowes/walmart and stonecrest residents do not have permission to enter the villages via golf cart?

Yes, I think so. I think the problem stems from the fact that Stonecrest could access TV through the Paradise gate for a long time, and now that's been cut off. The difference is that they were accorded that access as a gift, not a right. And now that gift has been taken away, for whatever reason.

[OldManTime]

Gate was broken open this morning…who did it?

[graciegirl]

[quote=chuckinca;


True

To bad the friendly village people on this site can't understand this fact.



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I know it sounds unfriendly...and may be, or it just may be that we humans are a bit innately territorial like the animals that we are.

If we buy something and pay for it, it is ours and that if a normal feeling.

Generally most of us Villages humans are altruistic and feel like sharing, but some of the Stonecresters have challenged our rights in a most unfriendly way and like the humans we are, trying to be nice and good, that get's our back up a bit.

But there was no need to break the damned gate. Hope there were cameras.

[southguy66]

Stonecresters that have family, or friends in the Villages, don't have a problem going thru the gate, just as in reverse, Villagers that have family or friends in Stonecrest, don't have a problem entering their gate.

[TVMayor]

Gate was broken open this morning…who did it?
That didn’t last long.

We could have a “Gate-A-Lotto” pick a number representing how long the gate will function xx-xx-xx-xx (Days-Hours-Minutes-Seconds). The proceeds could be a 50/50 split with Neighborhood Watch.

[DonH57]

Broken already? There is a camera there. I certainly hope it wasn't intentionly damaged. There is no reason for property damage under any circumstances. If it was it's just plain juvenile.

[Bogie Shooter]

Broken already? There is a camera there. I certainly hope it wasn't intentionly damaged. There is no reason for property damage under any circumstances. If it was it's just plain juvenile.

Hasn't a lot of this whole event been rather juvenile?

[Indydealmaker]

Broken already? There is a camera there. I certainly hope it wasn't intentionly damaged. There is no reason for property damage under any circumstances. If it was it's just plain juvenile.

I hope it was not intentional either. Who knows? The Bonita gate on Canal was broken yesterday and I am sure there were several others. Usually just carelessness or impatience. Just one more reason to tag each golf cart for ID purposes. The perps should pay.

[Cajulian]

I don't think there are any Stonecresters going to the gate anymore since it is a waste of their time now.

My guess is that one of the Villagers forgot their gate card and couldn't get back in to the Villages after shopping at Walmart. I wouldn't just assume it's a disgruntled Stonecrester that did the damage.

Maybe it was accidental, by a Villager. Check the Security Camera.

[Ooper]

My guess is that one of the Villagers forgot their gate card and couldn't get back in to the Villages after shopping at Walmart.

It's my understanding that you need the card to get out also. If that's the case, the Villager wouldn't have forgotten their card because they, indeed, got out.

[jbdlfan]

We went through the gate yesterday afternoon. There was a Communty Watch person there when we left out of TV. Upon our return, there wasn't anyone monitoring the gate. The funny thing is that when reached the entrance, the gate was open! I was half afraid to go through thinking it may suddenly close on my new cart. As we passed through, it closed behind us. My guess is that it is malfunctioning in some way. Those that think they will tailgate, it is an iron gate that swings horizontaly, I wouldn't try it.....

[chuckinca]

I believe the original gate installed about 10 or 15 years ago was removed because it was broken every other week (sort of like many of the gates in TV) - the removal wasn't a gift to Stonecrest.

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[CFrance]

I hope it was not intentional either. Who knows? The Bonita gate on Canal was broken yesterday and I am sure there were several others. Usually just carelessness or impatience. Just one more reason to tag each golf cart for ID purposes. The perps should pay.

The visitor's gate at St. James was broken last weekend too. CUI?

[njbchbum]

I believe the original gate installed about 10 or 15 years ago was removed because it was broken every other week (sort of like many of the gates in TV) - the removal wasn't a gift to Stonecrest.

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please check the previous thread[s] re 'the wall' where it was reported in lady lake town mtg mins that the gate was removed due to interference with access to paradise dr - a public street...and not because the gate was frequently broken.

[handyman]

Men And Women the time has come to protect our borders,grab your drivers water balls first, save the pro v's for final assault, if it goes to trenches fix putters!The bubble must be protected at all costs!Since I am the closest to the crashed St.James gate
I will take it upon myself to recon Brownwood,Handyman out

[CFrance]

please check the previous thread[s] re 'the wall' where it was reported in lady lake town mtg mins that the gate was removed due to interference with access to paradise dr - a public street...and not because the gate was frequently broken.

Maybe so, but it still wasn't removed as a gift to Stonecrest.

[graciegirl]

I gotta stay outa some of these discussions. I think I have PMS.

[CFrance]

I gotta stay outa some of these discussions. I think I have PMS.

Huh? I thought you said you had hemorroides. :confused:

[DougB]

PMS = Post Misgivings Syndrome?

[graciegirl]

Huh? I thought you said you had hemorroides. :confused:

PMS sounds sexier.:D