Thanksgiving Dinner: Calories & Sugar

[Villages PL]

How Much Sugar in a Thanksgiving Dinner? (http://www.sugarstacks.com/thanksgiving.htm)

Nice big color photos; try scrolling all the way down.

Will this be your standard Thanksgiving dinner?

[jblum315]

it's once a year - people don't eat like that every day Most people don't anyway

[Villages PL]

it's once a year - people don't eat like that every day Most people don't anyway

What about all the other "once a year" days? :boom:

[Indydealmaker]

In our age bracket, who cares about diet?

[jblum315]

What about all the other "once a year" days? :boom:

Such as?

[Villages PL]

In our age bracket, who cares about diet?

You mean if we are expected to die soon anyway, we might as well give ourselves an extra push in that direction?

:1rotfl:

[pooh]

And are you going to join family or friends for the holiday dinner? If so, what might you ingest? Personally, never mind how much sugar, there is also lots of fat.....but we should decide just what we will or won't eat on that particular day. Thanksgiving is more than just a hearty food day for many....it is a day filled with memories....some of family, friends, events and food....special foods prepared with love . For many, these foods offer nourishment for the soul on this particular day.

Happy Thanksgiving, VPL. We have many things to be thankful for....:)

[Villages PL]

Such as?

I don't have a complete list handy, but here are a few:

Thanksgiving dinner (leftovers continue for some)

Christmas eve and Christmas day dinner (More than one if you belong to various clubs in The Villages.)

New Year's Eve and New Year's Day dinner

Super Bowl Barbeques and TV snacks

Valentines Day dinner

Wedding Anniversary dinner and cake

Birthday celebrations

4th. of July barbeques

Sunday or Saturday dinners after religious services

Easter Sunday dinner

Graduation dinners

Wedding reception dinners

I'm sure there may be many more special occasions that I haven't thought of, especially considering that the average person is overweight. 63% of Americans are overweight.

[DonH57]

Yum. I love homemade egg noodles in poultry based gravy. Speaking of gravy I make a big old gravy lake in my mashed potatoes with a sunken pat of butter in the bottom. Of course the gravy goes on the stuffing too!

[Indydealmaker]

You mean if we are expected to die soon anyway, we might as well give ourselves an extra push in that direction?

:1rotfl:

Actually, what I mean is why ruin one's quality of life on the basis of pure theory. For every life-saving diet report, there is a study that invalidates it. Not one thing that a human can digest (other than poison) is bad for you when consumed in moderation. Most of the things that cause cancer in animals only do so in HUGE quantities. Bad things are not universally bad and that is the fatal flaw in all of the medical advice. For example, my grandparents consumed red meat, starch and fried foods in prodigious quantities well into their 80s until they were killed in a car accident.

[JC and John]

How Much Sugar in a Thanksgiving Dinner? (http://www.sugarstacks.com/thanksgiving.htm)

Nice big color photos; try scrolling all the way down.

Will this be your standard Thanksgiving dinner?

Thanks for posting. It is an eye opener. Just been reading how sugar can promote obesity. Interesting article. Guess that is why NYC is limiting sales of the huge sodas - because they are filled with sugar. Oh well, to his own decision.

[Peachie]

How Much Sugar in a Thanksgiving Dinner? (http://www.sugarstacks.com/thanksgiving.htm)

Nice big color photos; try scrolling all the way down.

Will this be your standard Thanksgiving dinner?

I sure hope so!! :icon_hungry: BTW, my 92 year old mother had that meal yesterday for an early Thanksgiving party and she loved it. (She always believes in moderation in everything but what does she know?)

[Happinow]

Is ok to indulge in these festive meals if you exercise. An extra exercise class, pickleball or walking or jogging will help take these calories down. Holidays are meant to be enjoyed and food is a large part of the enjoyment. It's everyone's own choice what to eat, how much to eat and weather to per take in exercise in some form. I hope everyone enjoys whatever they eat or do on Thanksgiving day.

[KeepingItReal]

And now it's time for an episode of Debbie Downer......no birthday cake allowed..nor anything else.


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[KeepingItReal]

Guess that is why NYC is limiting sales of the huge sodas - because they are filled with sugar. Oh well, to his own decision.

A New York appeals court on Tuesday ruled that the city Board of Health exceeded its legal authority and acted unconstitutionally when it tried to put a size limit on soft drinks served in city restaurants.

"The Board of Health overstepped the boundaries of its lawfully delegated authority," the court said in its decision.

[justjim]

Too much sugar, too much fat, too much caffeine, too much wine or just too much food not good! Moderation we all know is the key. As far as soda in N.Y. I just flat out don't think government has any business in the regulation of the size of your soda. How stupid can you be? One 32 oz soda or four 8 oz sodas...... They do make sugar free and I have one occasionally.

Thanksgiving, on this special day, give thanks and eat all and as much as your Ol' body can handle!

[2BNTV]

If one wants to be health concious, then one can eat sparingly for a couple of days before Thanksgiving, so they induldge themselves on the holiday, but still try to eat in moderation.

One meal is not going to kill anyone, but you don't have to overeat. Exercise combined with eating moderatly, should be done throughout the year. I agree it's very easy to overeat, but Thanksgiving is a day to be with people you care about, and enjoying their company.

Nobody puts a gun to one's head and tells them they must eat, until they need a Alka-Seltzer. :smiley:

[senior citizen]

Thoughts posted on the internet by a psychiatrist.........



''Worrying about carbs, calories and diets is one of the most unproductive things you can do on a holiday that celebrates thankfulness. Instead of giving you a list of healthy side dishes or tips on how to cut out calories, this Thanksgiving I offer just a single piece of advice: slow down.

The actual content of your Thanksgiving dinner matters very little in the grand scheme of things. A few hundred calories here or there can make a difference when projected over weeks and years, but for one meal the impact is negligible. Your body will adjust naturally and you'll burn off those extra calories the next day, so don't worry about it.

But for people trying to get healthy or lose weight, not worrying about food can feel very strange. There is always the fear that if you aren't vigilant and conscious of what and how much you eat you may gorge yourself stupid and all your hopes of fitting into your favorite jeans by the end of the year will be ruined.

Overeating is certainly a possibility when food anxiety is a constant force in your life, but Thanksgiving is a perfect opportunity to start getting over it. Really. It may seem counterintuitive that such a food-forward holiday can be stress free, but let's not forget that the real point of Thanksgiving isn't turkey or pie, but being thankful.

Since most of us won't be harvesting our own meals this year (hats off to anyone who is), it is silly to pretend this particular dinner requires more thankfulness than any other meal we eat. Turkey, stuffing and cranberry sauce are tradition, but do not necessarily reflect our 21st century needs and values.

With the emergence of modern media, there are other essential pieces of our lives that we can no longer afford to take for granted. Free time is one. Exercise is another. But most important of all these is our real, human, non-Twitter relationships, particularly those with family and friends. It is far too easy to neglect these basic elements of our existence when we have so many other obligations and distractions, but failure to nurture them can severely affect our overall quality of life.

If you care about your health and want to keep your eating under control on Thursday, why not focus your attention on strengthening relationships and spending time with the people you care about? Instead of worrying about yourself and what you want to accomplish, ask people about themselves and discuss mutual interests.

Let food be part of the celebration, but not the purpose of your day.

Once food is no longer the center of attention the only thing you need to keep in mind is to eat slowly-it is pretty tough to overeat if you are biting and chewing at a snail's pace.

Slow eating helps you eat less food and appreciate it more. It also helps you make wiser food choices, since decisions about what to put on your plate are made less impulsively.

But slow eating does require some conscious effort. If you are in the habit of shoveling food in your mouth without taking time to put down your fork and chew (or breathe), it is easy to slip back into this pattern. Also, if people around you are all guzzling their food in a fury, you might feel a natural compulsion to keep pace and match their eating speed.

I've written before about how to become a slow eater, but at large family dinners some of these tactics can be particularly useful. Start by actively trying to keep conversations engaged while you eat. Chewing and talking are (hopefully) mutually exclusive, so the more you converse the longer it will take you to get through your meal.

Making an effort to put your fork down between bites is another effective way to slow your pace at the dining table. To give your hands something to do between bites, reach for your glass and take regular sips of your water (it is best not to rely exclusively on wine for this tactic) or wipe your lips with your napkin.

And don't forget to chew.

Trying to eat slowly is much easier than trying to summon the will power to skip the mashed potatoes and biscuits.

And slowly savoring the foods you love is far more enjoyable than inventing a clever recipe to replace the sugar or fat in your pumpkin pie.

Spend time with people, enjoy your meal and have a wonderful Thanksgiving.''

[Barefoot]

Village PL, I know you really care about people and want to try to help us have a healthier life. I know you have the best of intentions and that you worry a lot about the obesity rate in adults.

But I think you need to remember that most members of this website are highly intelligent people, and most are over the age of fifty. We've worked hard all our lives to enjoy our Golden Years. And yes, we'd all like to be healthy of course. But we'd also like to enjoy our final lap of the race.

At this stage of life, most of us have probably made our lifestyle choices. We've decided how physically active we want to be, the sports or exercise classes with which we want to be involved. We know what weight we want to maintain. And some of us have decided to just enjoy fresh food every day while socializing with friends, eating in moderation of course. Lots of us enjoy a drink, or an occasional glass of wine.

I applaud your efforts to educate and inform us. But I think most of us have already decided what type of lifestyle we want to pursue.

[2BNTV]

Thoughts posted on the internet by a psychiatrist.........



''Worrying about carbs, calories and diets is one of the most unproductive things you can do on a holiday that celebrates thankfulness. Instead of giving you a list of healthy side dishes or tips on how to cut out calories, this Thanksgiving I offer just a single piece of advice: slow down.

The actual content of your Thanksgiving dinner matters very little in the grand scheme of things. A few hundred calories here or there can make a difference when projected over weeks and years, but for one meal the impact is negligible. Your body will adjust naturally and you'll burn off those extra calories the next day, so don't worry about it.

But for people trying to get healthy or lose weight, not worrying about food can feel very strange. There is always the fear that if you aren't vigilant and conscious of what and how much you eat you may gorge yourself stupid and all your hopes of fitting into your favorite jeans by the end of the year will be ruined.

Overeating is certainly a possibility when food anxiety is a constant force in your life, but Thanksgiving is a perfect opportunity to start getting over it. Really. It may seem counterintuitive that such a food-forward holiday can be stress free, but let's not forget that the real point of Thanksgiving isn't turkey or pie, but being thankful.

Since most of us won't be harvesting our own meals this year (hats off to anyone who is), it is silly to pretend this particular dinner requires more thankfulness than any other meal we eat. Turkey, stuffing and cranberry sauce are tradition, but do not necessarily reflect our 21st century needs and values.

With the emergence of modern media, there are other essential pieces of our lives that we can no longer afford to take for granted. Free time is one. Exercise is another. But most important of all these is our real, human, non-Twitter relationships, particularly those with family and friends. It is far too easy to neglect these basic elements of our existence when we have so many other obligations and distractions, but failure to nurture them can severely affect our overall quality of life.

If you care about your health and want to keep your eating under control on Thursday, why not focus your attention on strengthening relationships and spending time with the people you care about? Instead of worrying about yourself and what you want to accomplish, ask people about themselves and discuss mutual interests.

Let food be part of the celebration, but not the purpose of your day.

Once food is no longer the center of attention the only thing you need to keep in mind is to eat slowly-it is pretty tough to overeat if you are biting and chewing at a snail's pace.

Slow eating helps you eat less food and appreciate it more. It also helps you make wiser food choices, since decisions about what to put on your plate are made less impulsively.

But slow eating does require some conscious effort. If you are in the habit of shoveling food in your mouth without taking time to put down your fork and chew (or breathe), it is easy to slip back into this pattern. Also, if people around you are all guzzling their food in a fury, you might feel a natural compulsion to keep pace and match their eating speed.

I've written before about how to become a slow eater, but at large family dinners some of these tactics can be particularly useful. Start by actively trying to keep conversations engaged while you eat. Chewing and talking are (hopefully) mutually exclusive, so the more you converse the longer it will take you to get through your meal.

Making an effort to put your fork down between bites is another effective way to slow your pace at the dining table. To give your hands something to do between bites, reach for your glass and take regular sips of your water (it is best not to rely exclusively on wine for this tactic) or wipe your lips with your napkin.

And don't forget to chew.

Trying to eat slowly is much easier than trying to summon the will power to skip the mashed potatoes and biscuits.

And slowly savoring the foods you love is far more enjoyable than inventing a clever recipe to replace the sugar or fat in your pumpkin pie.

Spend time with people, enjoy your meal and have a wonderful Thanksgiving.''

SC:

:agree:

Eating slowly is a good practice for every meal. It takes a half hour for your brain to signal your body that you are full. It's one of the ways to maintain one's weight, if that is what they want to do.

It's all mind over matter. "If you don't mind. it don't matter". :jester".

[2BNTV]

Village PL, I know you really care about people and want to try to help us have a healthier life. I know you have the best of intentions and that you worry a lot about the obesity rate in adults.

But I think you need to remember that most members of this website are highly intelligent people, and most are over the age of fifty. We've worked hard all our lives to enjoy our Golden Years. And yes, we'd all like to be healthy of course. But we'd also like to enjoy our final lap of the race.

At this stage of life, most of us have probably made our lifestyle choices. We've decided how physically active we want to be, the sports or exercise classes with which we want to be involved. We know what weight we want to maintain. And some of us have decided to just enjoy fresh food every day while socializing with friends, eating in moderation of course. Lots of us enjoy a drink, or an occasional glass of wine.

I applaud your efforts to educate and inform us. But I think most of us have already decided what type of lifestyle we want to pursue.

Excellent post. :BigApplause: :bigbow:

[jblum315]

Personally I don't want to be one of those people who subsist on egg whites and yogurt and live to be 105 and then die in perfect health. No thanks.

[rubicon]

After reading all of the aforementioned posts it is obvious that most who replied agree that experts are too fickle in their opinions whether they be in the business of food, environment, archaeology or any of the earth sciences

I have a friend who would obsess about such events. I listened once why he proceeded to have a serious debate about which peanut butter was the best, the healthiest with another of my neighbors.

Death will come to us all. Certainly we do make bad choices that may quicken that process such as reckless driving. However often people die because of genetic mutations. I agree with those who speak of moderation in all things...and I do understand there are some people r kiddingly expresses when I speak of moderation, and ï like a lot of moderation". However,the issue of moderation as to be viewed in the long run and not one event.

Erma Bombeck expressed this issue of eating best when she wrote in one of her humorist columns "Just think some passengers waved off the dessert cart" minutes before the Titanic sank" Humor. smiling, laughing seems to be the one ingredient that truly increases longevity

Happy thanksgiving To You All

[senior citizen]

After reading all of the aforementioned posts it is obvious that most who replied agree that experts are too fickle in their opinions whether they be in the business of food, environment, archaeology or any of the earth sciences

I have a friend who would obsess about such events. I listened once why he proceeded to have a serious debate about which peanut butter was the best, the healthiest with another of my neighbors.

Death will come to us all. Certainly we do make bad choices that may quicken that process such as reckless driving. However often people die because of genetic mutations. I agree with those who speak of moderation in all things...and I do understand there are some people r kiddingly expresses when I speak of moderation, and ï like a lot of moderation". However,the issue of moderation as to be viewed in the long run and not one event.

Erma Bombeck expressed this issue of eating best when she wrote in one of her humorist columns "Just think some passengers waved off the dessert cart" minutes before the Titanic sank" Humor. smiling, laughing seems to be the one ingredient that truly increases longevity

Happy thanksgiving To You All




I do agree with what you've said......

[graciegirl]

Fear

is a terrible thing.

If we are frightened excessively of things that most others are not, we really need to seek help from a medical professional.

If we are really concerned with food, or germs, or break ins more than most people are, if we cannot throw things away or others who love us are remarking about our behavior, it may be that we have OCD. There are medications for low levels of serotonin. And although we may not feel much different, the others around us will notice a large change in our behavior.

If what we are doing falls outside the perimeters of what MOST people do, and it is noted by others, we may need help.

Anxiety, excessive worry, and OCD behaviors increase as we age.

Some pills may be needed. Being afraid of any medication is a sign too.

If a person lives alone there is no one to push that person toward help, because that person cannot see a problem.

There is no shame to have these things happen. It is not a character weakness at all, just a chemical imbalance that cannot be fixed with proper diet.

[senior citizen]

Personally I don't want to be one of those people who subsist on egg whites and yogurt and live to be 105 and then die in perfect health. No thanks.

We know plenty of oldsters who slathered cream cheese on their morning bagels and lived to a ripe old age in their mid nineties.....even with all the pastrami, corned beef and other fried foods.......they enjoyed the gatherings with their large family units.

I do believe most of us pass from genetically predisposed conditions........probably hastened along by our polluted environment and all the "stuff" in the modern day pharmaceuticals.

One just has to listen to all of the "side effect warnings" of popular drugs taken by so many today. It's no wonder the body is passed from one specialist to another..........resulting in even more drugs to be taken.

I do not think our human bodies were made for so many chemicals.

The huge increase in breast cancer in much younger women has been hinted to be the result of the modern birth control pills, etc. and in older women, the hormone replacement therapy. Everyone is just afraid to grow old naturally.......or use natural remedies and solutions for their health issues......but, it's like "what came first, the chicken or the egg".
A useless discussion, truly.

Getting back to food, years ago people did enjoy their food without worrying about every little component in it........all of my Italian relatives lived to a ripe old age........but their food was NATURAL for the most part.

Perhaps, even the daily glasses of home made red wine helped in their longevity........along with the olive oil, olives, fresh produce in abundance and NO BUTTER on their Italian breads. None of mine ever put butter on their bread.........

They also ate a lot of legumes (beans, etc., lentils) and garlic which is a natural antibiotic........

Lots of GREENS..........they were into greens (escarole, spinach, broccoli etc., etc., etc.) BEFORE KALE became the fave veggie.

Our son made us some home made "kale chips" when we were all on a two week Maine seacoast family reunion this past summer........not my idea of a veggie. I always loved the Italian greens whether in soups or just on the side.....

LOTS OF FRUIT. Fruit was the daily dessert.

For holidays, they did use the BAKERIES which were abundant in Little Italy, New York City.........it didn't kill them to indulge on holidays........I still remember those pastries , cannoli and pignoli cookies with the almond flavor and pine nuts. They also ate a lot of grapes, pears and oranges. BUT I DO NOT RECALL BOTTLES OF FRUIT JUICE. Just the red wine and dark strong demitasse cups of coffee.

Many grew their own tomatoes, zucchini and other greens.....right in their back yards........and their own mint, basil, etc. as far as herbs....

I guess what I'm trying to say is things were more NATURAL in the old days. Today, everything is processed in the way of food....or chemicals in the way of curative remedies.........except for those who choose a different path and who just choose to live life without worrying about every morsel that passes their lips.

[Villages PL]

Fear

is a terrible thing.

If we are frightened excessively of things that most others are not, we really need to seek help from a medical professional.

If we are really concerned with food, or germs, or break ins more than most people are, if we cannot throw things away or others who love us are remarking about our behavior, it may be that we have OCD. There are medications for low levels of serotonin. And although we may not feel much different, the others around us will notice a large change in our behavior.

If what we are doing falls outside the perimeters of what MOST people do, and it is noted by others, we may need help.

Anxiety, excessive worry, and OCD behaviors increase as we age.

Some pills may be needed. Being afraid of any medication is a sign too.

If a person lives alone there is no one to push that person toward help, because that person cannot see a problem.

There is no shame to have these things happen. It is not a character weakness at all, just a chemical imbalance that cannot be fixed with proper diet.

That's one of the most condesending posts I have ever read in my entire life, where the poster assumes (without reason or proof of any kind) that the OP must be suffering from some sort of mental illness. It's an unveiled attempt at character assassination, in my opinion.

[graciegirl]

That's one of the most condesending posts I have ever read in my entire life, where the poster assumes (without reason or proof of any kind) that the OP must be suffering from some sort of mental illness. It's an unveiled attempt at character assassination, in my opinion.

I didn't believe that I was too anxious. My daughter told me I might have an anxiety disorder and when I asked my physican he felt I worried too much about everything too and prescribed Zoloft. . I didn't look at it as a mental illness in the same way as some might. I think a lot of us have problems like this and it becomes more of an issue when we get older.

I have not noticed much difference in myself, I certainly don't feel drugged or feel euphoric, but my family says I don't worry quite as much. I still worry but apparently I am not driving them crazy.

[redwitch]

That's one of the most condesending posts I have ever read in my entire life, where the poster assumes (without reason or proof of any kind) that the OP must be suffering from some sort of mental illness. It's an unveiled attempt at character assassination, in my opinion.

Is this one of those if the shoe fits ....? I don't think Gracie was talking about you entirely. I think it was a more generalization that if people become too obsessed with certain things, especially as we age, we might need some help.

Personally, I fit one of her categories -- I can't bear to throw things away. I try, will look at it and remember the meaning behind it and it stays. Definitely not healthy given I have one room stuffed with boxes of things I don't need. So, I guess she's assassinating my character as well. Good thing I don't take it personally, eh?

[KayakerNC]

That's one of the most condesending posts I have ever read in my entire life, where the poster assumes (without reason or proof of any kind) that the OP must be suffering from some sort of mental illness. It's an unveiled attempt at character assassination, in my opinion.

Wow. I didn't get that at all! You REALLY need to relax. :shrug:

[Villages PL]

Actually, what I mean is why ruin one's quality of life on the basis of pure theory.

You mean you don't think there's any reliable knowledge that can be used to maintain or improve one's health? What must you think of those who have a PhD in nutrition? Those poor suckers must have wasted a lot of time and money on a degree that's worthless?

For every life-saving diet report, there is a study that invalidates it.

Can you give an example of a "life-saving diet report" and then "a study that invalidates it." Interesting, but I think perhaps you are talking about the normal process by which science is conducted. The earth was thought to be flat until someone came along and proved it to be round. Should we say that because the two ideas conflict with each other that we cannot be sure weather the earth is flat or round?

Not one thing that a human can digest (other than poison) is bad for you when consumed in moderation.

Is that your theory? Where did you get that information? And who decides what amount constitutes "moderation"? If I want to drink soft drinks, eat pastries, pizza, chips & dips, cookies, cakes, pies, processed meats etc. you can tell me just the right amount (moderation) that won't cause me any harm?

Most of the things that cause cancer in animals only do so in HUGE quantities.

Animal studies are usually a stepping stone to human studies. Animal studies are less expensive and provide an indication. Animal studies were never intended to be taken as conclusive proof of what will happen in humans.


Bad things are not universally bad and that is the fatal flaw in all of the medical advice. For example, my grandparents consumed red meat, starch and fried foods in prodigious quantities well into their 80s until they were killed in a car accident.

The purpose of a study is to indicate how various behaviors affect outcomes or risk. If a study indicates that red meat will raise one's risk for cancer or heart disease, it doesn't mean that everyone who eats meat will get cancer or heart disease.

If you drive down 466 at 100 miles per hour, you will likely raise your risk of getting into an accident. But it doesn't mean that you will get into an accident. Getting into an accident is not a certainty.

[Villages PL]

Is this one of those if the shoe fits ....? I don't think Gracie was talking about you entirely. I think it was a more generalization that if people become too obsessed with certain things, especially as we age, we might need some help.

Well, I think the question you have to ask is: Why did the idea of a mental condition even come to mind on this thread? And you reinforce it by suggesting that "people become too obsesed." So you characterize a person's interest in health as an obsession? That puts you in aggreement with Gracie.

Personally, I fit one of her categories -- I can't bear to throw things away. I try, will look at it and remember the meaning behind it and it stays. Definitely not healthy given I have one room stuffed with boxes of things I don't need. So, I guess she's assassinating my character as well. Good thing I don't take it personally, eh?

Sure, but this thread is not about anyones mental state. Is it?

[Villages PL]

A New York appeals court on Tuesday ruled that the city Board of Health exceeded its legal authority and acted unconstitutionally when it tried to put a size limit on soft drinks served in city restaurants.

"The Board of Health overstepped the boundaries of its lawfully delegated authority," the court said in its decision.

Now, if I have this right, New York is banning cigarette sales to anyone under 21. Maybe that's what they should have done with soft drinks. :icon_wink:

[DonH57]

All this talk about foods, holiday meals, and dietitary needs is making me hungery again. Why must I be tortured.

[Villages PL]

If one wants to be health concious, then one can eat sparingly for a couple of days before Thanksgiving, so they induldge themselves on the holiday, but still try to eat in moderation.

The problem with that strategy is that you will slow down your metabolism by dieting before Thanksgiving. There's nothing wrong with a slow metabolism per se, it's actually a good thing. But then when you consume a large amount of calories on Thanksgiving, your body, thinking that it's starving, will soak it up and convert it to fat more quickly than it would otherwise.

This is my situation: I'm at my ideal weight with a slow metabolism. It's a good thing for one's health but only if it's practiced consistently.

One meal is not going to kill anyone.... :smiley:

Tell that to James Gandolfini. If he was at home no one would have known how much he ate before he died. But he was in a hotel, getting room service.
Everything he ordered was listed on his bill. Doctors evaluated it and said that, without a doubt, his excessive intake of food triggered his heart attack.

[senior citizen]

We have had several good neighbors over the past 43 years who were diagnosed as manic depressive or bi polar.

At first one might not have even realized as these five women and one guy were all the HIGH ENERGY happy go lucky type and life of the party.

The problem was, according to their family members and doctors, they never "came down" to a reasonable calm level.

They were usually flying high......making the rest of us look listless in comparison. Like a bunch of slugs.

They typically all had grand schemes and plans. When younger, it was just taken as "ambition" or what have you.

However, eventually, they were put on high doses of Xanax, Buspar, Lithium (heavy duty stuff), and various other drugs whose names escape me at the moment.......but all psychotropic drugs.

One of these ladies' husband was a physician. He told me , at one of our barbecues, how truly difficult it is to regulate these drugs per patient to get it to a correct level for whatever their mental disorder was. His lovely wife who had a great sense of humor became a total ZOMBIE on pharmaceutical drugs.

I had one childhood friend with Systemic Lupus, diagnosed at age 19 and put on heavy doses of Prednisone........she began having manic episodes and urges to commit suicide after going on the Prednisone....as did her older cousin (also diagnosed with Lupus and taking Prednisone). This was back in the 1960s when it probably wasn't as refined in dosing as nowadays. The cousin jumped to her death from the hospital window.
Very sad. All mental illness is very sad........no one should treat it lightly.

Most recently a neighbor's husband who always got depressed in the winter time with a seasonal type affliction, due to lack of sunshine.....finally agreed to see the doc. He was put on a heavy duty psychotropic drug which only made him "act out" against his wife.

She had to call five police cars to the home to handle him. He was taken to a mental facility and bounced around the state to various others before being diagnosed as manic depressive schizophrenic.......the doctors themselves admitted to the wife that "he had a bad reaction to the drugs we gave him"...........she was scared to death as he had attacked her, thus our police station sending five cars to the house.

When not on drugs, he is a big male pussycat. On drugs he becomes a beast.

Many people are just quirky or individualistic in their free thinking without having a mental illness per se. I've always believed in freedom of speech for everyone........and with that comes freedom of thought. If we all thought the same way, we'd be a bunch of robots or Stepford Wives.
Or even, Stepford Husbands. Now, that wouldn't do, would it?

Getting back to the drugs..........many young friends, in their twenties, children of our older friends........have been handed drugs to help their anxiety, as if they were candy...........they also were the high spirited type gals. They've had the common sense to come off all of these drugs.

My pet peeve are all the kids we read about being given Ritalin and other A.D.H.D. drugs in elementary school, which I've read can lead to heavy duty chronic recreational drug use as they get older..........

Times have surely changed......as far as a little pill for every malady under the sun.

[graciegirl]

We have had several good neighbors over the past 43 years who were diagnosed as manic depressive or bi polar.

At first one might not have even realized as these five women and one guy were all the HIGH ENERGY happy go lucky type and life of the party.

The problem was, according to their family members and doctors, they never "came down" to a reasonable calm level.

They were usually flying high......making the rest of us look listless in comparison. Like a bunch of slugs.

They typically all had grand schemes and plans. When younger, it was just taken as "ambition" or what have you.

However, eventually, they were put on high doses of Xanax, Buspar, Lithium (heavy duty stuff), and various other drugs whose names escape me at the moment.......but all psychotropic drugs.

One of these ladies' husband was a physician. He told me , at one of our barbecues, how truly difficult it is to regulate these drugs per patient to get it to a correct level for whatever their mental disorder was. His lovely wife who had a great sense of humor became a total ZOMBIE on pharmaceutical drugs.

I had one childhood friend with Systemic Lupus, diagnosed at age 19 and put on heavy doses of Prednisone........she began having manic episodes and urges to commit suicide after going on the Prednisone....as did her older cousin (also diagnosed with Lupus and taking Prednisone). This was back in the 1960s when it probably wasn't as refined in dosing as nowadays. The cousin jumped to her death from the hospital window.
Very sad. All mental illness is very sad........no one should treat it lightly.

Most recently a neighbor's husband who always got depressed in the winter time with a seasonal type affliction, due to lack of sunshine.....finally agreed to see the doc. He was put on a heavy duty psychotropic drug which only made him "act out" against his wife.

She had to call five police cars to the home to handle him. He was taken to a mental facility and bounced around the state to various others before being diagnosed as manic depressive schizophrenic.......the doctors themselves admitted to the wife that "he had a bad reaction to the drugs we gave him"...........she was scared to death as he had attacked her, thus our police station sending five cars to the house.

When not on drugs, he is a big male pussycat. On drugs he becomes a beast.

Many people are just quirky or individualistic in their free thinking without having a mental illness per se. I've always believed in freedom of speech for everyone........and with that comes freedom of thought. If we all thought the same way, we'd be a bunch of robots or Stepford Wives.
Or even, Stepford Husbands. Now, that wouldn't do, would it?

Getting back to the drugs..........many young friends, in their twenties, children of our older friends........have been handed drugs to help their anxiety, as if they were candy...........they also were the high spirited type gals. They've had the common sense to come off all of these drugs.

My pet peeve are all the kids we read about being given Ritalin and other A.D.H.D. drugs in elementary school, which I've read can lead to heavy duty chronic recreational drug use as they get older..........

Times have surely changed......as far as a little pill for every malady under the sun.

Having an anxiety disorder is very common and frequently follows a bout with a life threatening illness. Having Schizophrenia, Bi Polar disorder or being Manic Depressive is much more uncommon. In fact none of them has any real connection with mild anxiety or depression.

Sertraline is one of the most widely prescribed medications in the world. And although I think that some of the A.D.D. drugs are over prescribed for children I have not read any valid studies that indicate that their use causes them to use recreational drugs later in life.

OCD is very common indeed and in fact if a lopsided picture makes you want to correct it, you may have a touch.

Medication for anxiety is not for the weak in character, it is for anyone who has faced some overwhelming events, usually.

[Villages PL]

Village PL, I know you really care about people and want to try to help us have a healthier life. I know you have the best of intentions and that you worry a lot about the obesity rate in adults.

But I think you need to remember that most members of this website are highly intelligent people, and most are over the age of fifty. We've worked hard all our lives to enjoy our Golden Years. And yes, we'd all like to be healthy of course. But we'd also like to enjoy our final lap of the race.

At this stage of life, most of us have probably made our lifestyle choices. We've decided how physically active we want to be, the sports or exercise classes with which we want to be involved. We know what weight we want to maintain. And some of us have decided to just enjoy fresh food every day while socializing with friends, eating in moderation of course. Lots of us enjoy a drink, or an occasional glass of wine.

I agree that most members of this website are highly intelligent people. No doubt about it. But intelligent people don't always eat healthy diets. Why is that? Maybe there's more to it than just being intelligent. Someone might be an intelligent lawyer, doctor, teacher, accountant etc., but not knowledgeable about healthy eating.

I'm sure I could come up with a list of highly intelligent people who are obese. I know I could. So I'm not sure I get your point.

I applaud your efforts to educate and inform us. But I think most of us have already decided what type of lifestyle we want to pursue.

Then why is there so much interest in this thread? Why are people telling me about all the gravy they consume. Is that intelligent? Why do some say that nothing about health can be proved? That everything is just a theory? What about those who call for moderation? What is moderation? One pizza per week or one pizza per month? Moderation is whatever each individual says it is and therefore it's meaningless. Where's the intelligence?

[graciegirl]

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[CFrance]

VPL, I think you would serve the population better if you took your message to the youth and their parents. Not a whole lot of us folks here on TOTV are going to change our habits no matter how many points you validate.

The fatty liver disease thing, for instance--take that to the parents of the children and encourage them to change their children's diet. The grandparents of the children are pretty much powerless to do anything about it.

I know you will have a comeback for my opinion, but there it is anyway.

And by the way, were you eating sugar the last couple of weeks? I really enjoyed your humor.:jester:

[Indydealmaker]

I agree that most members of this website are highly intelligent people. No doubt about it. But intelligent people don't always eat healthy diets. Why is that? Maybe there's more to it than just being intelligent. Someone might be an intelligent lawyer, doctor, teacher, accountant etc., but not knowledgeable about healthy eating.

I'm sure I could come up with a list of highly intelligent people who are obese. I know I could. So I'm not sure I get your point.



Then why is there so much interest in this thread? Why are people telling me about all the gravy they consume. Is that intelligent? Why do some say that nothing about health can be proved? That everything is just a theory? What about those who call for moderation? What is moderation? One pizza per week or one pizza per month? Moderation is whatever each individual says it is and therefore it's meaningless. Where's the intelligence?

If you have not gotten the message yet, mature successful adults do not like to be preached at regardless of whether it is nutrition, religion or lifestyle. You need to come across less arrogant and condescending and come to realize that the book from which you preach was written by individuals with personal opinions and all too often, personal agendae. For every tit there is a tat. and oh, by the way if you check your backyard and you can't find your goat, I've got it!

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Now chill and let everybody enjoy their Thanksgiving Feast.

[jblum315]

To Villages PL: the interest in this thread is mainly that people want you to stop preaching your "healthy eating" sermon. Tired of hearing it. Take a note from Mark Bittman who presents healthy food in unorthodox recipes that are appealing and delicious. He also occasionally writes about fried food (O my god). If you don't understand moderation then just keep quiet.

[senior citizen]

Having an anxiety disorder is very common and frequently follows a bout with a life threatening illness. Having Schizophrenia, Bi Polar disorder or being Manic Depressive is much more uncommon. In fact none of them has any real connection with mild anxiety or depression.

Sertraline is one of the most widely prescribed medications in the world. And although I think that some of the A.D.D. drugs are over prescribed for children I have not read any valid studies that indicate that their use causes them to use recreational drugs later in life.

OCD is very common indeed and in fact if a lopsided picture makes you want to correct it, you may have a touch.

Medication for anxiety is not for the weak in character, it is for anyone who has faced some overwhelming events, usually.




Are we over medicating our children?
Click on this link to read at leisure......
Ritalin (methylphenidate) Side Effects and Warnings (http://ritalinsideeffects.net/)


Depression:
Manic Depression says it all. Sometimes up; sometimes down.
Wild mood fluctuations. The manic side may be perceived as "life of the party"; energetic always on the go........until the depressive side hits...
They are then so depressed they do not want to get out of bed.

Schizophrenia, Manic Depression and Bi Polar Disorder may not be common where you are, but they certainly are common in our town.
Perhaps it is just discussed more up here as we live in a neighborhood with doctors and nurses as friends and neighbors........our town/neighborhood hospital is affiliated with Dartmouth University's hospital.

We've seen adult sons of neighbors on a lifetime of Lithium and Haldol for their schizophrenia and the cross their parents had to bear.

We've seen young moms up and down with their Bi Polar symptoms....
Grand schemes and things that average people get exhausted just listening to.....as with manic depression.

We've seen young people with anxiety handed out meds like they were candy.......until they finally just took the matter into their own hands and flushed them down the toilet.

Our society is over medicated.........and all of these drugs have side effects............just as processed foods have side effects if consumed in quantity.......or habitually.........

I know what Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is. I know grandparents whose grandchildren were put on drugs for that........after "cutting" themselves.......and young moms who clean constantly.......and so on and so forth. I also know people who have "washed their money" or are constantly washing their hands.......

Believe me, we have interesting dialogue and conversations...........

Must be the weather up here (or something in the water).........
Actually, it is snowing out now............

We just skyped with our littlest grandbabies and what a joy to see such active little girls with energy and love to spare.......they recognize us on the video cam and want to show us all of their toys....."Grandma", "Grandpa".........that's our drug of choice. Pure joy and happiness.

There is no alternative for us....as everyone we have witnessed who has been put on meds becomes more "unnatural" than whatever anxiety disorder they initially exhibited. The meds do a number on them.

It's not a perfect science, to say the least.

[graciegirl]

Are we over medicating our children?
Click on this link to read at leisure......
Ritalin (methylphenidate) Side Effects and Warnings (http://ritalinsideeffects.net/)


Depression:
Manic Depression says it all. Sometimes up; sometimes down.
Wild mood fluctuations. The manic side may be perceived as "life of the party"; energetic always on the go........until the depressive side hits...
They are then so depressed they do not want to get out of bed.

Schizophrenia, Manic Depression and Bi Polar Disorder may not be common where you are, but they certainly are common in our town.
Perhaps it is just discussed more up here as we live in a neighborhood with doctors and nurses as friends and neighbors........our town/neighborhood hospital is affiliated with Dartmouth University's hospital.

We've seen adult sons of neighbors on a lifetime of Lithium and Haldol for their schizophrenia and the cross their parents had to bear.

We've seen young moms up and down with their Bi Polar symptoms....
Grand schemes and things that average people get exhausted just listening to.....as with manic depression.

We've seen young people with anxiety handed out meds like they were candy.......until they finally just took the matter into their own hands and flushed them down the toilet.

Our society is over medicated.........and all of these drugs have side effects............just as processed foods have side effects if consumed in quantity.......or habitually.........

I know what Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is. I know grandparents whose grandchildren were put on drugs for that........after "cutting" themselves.......and young moms who clean constantly.......and so on and so forth. I also know people who have "washed their money" or are constantly washing their hands.......

Believe me, we have interesting dialogue and conversations...........

Must be the weather up here (or something in the water).........
Actually, it is snowing out now............

We just skyped with our littlest grandbabies and what a joy to see such active little girls with energy and love to spare.......they recognize us on the video cam and want to show us all of their toys....."Grandma", "Grandpa".........that's our drug of choice. Pure joy and happiness.

There is no alternative for us....as everyone we have witnessed who has been put on meds becomes more "unnatural" than whatever anxiety disorder they initially exhibited. The meds do a number on them.

It's not a perfect science, to say the least.


I don't know what to say. Where is RSHoffer when you need him? He was our go to psychiatrist on this forum.