No Lefts Turns from Right Lane

[kathyzapp]

I really don't want to start another roundabout thread, but.......

Yesterday as I was exiting a roundabout in the left lane, a car turned left (practically in front of my car) from the right lane.

Same thing happened today.

We had three close calls last winter in the same situation.

No left turns from the right lane!

[murray607]

I really don't want to start another roundabout thread, but.......

Yesterday as I was exiting a roundabout in the left lane, a car turned left (practically in front of my car) from the right lane.

Same thing happened today.

We had three close calls last winter in the same situation.

No left turns from the right lane!

Kathy, I am trying to picture what happened, but this old timer is not too sharp sometimes.

So, you had gone past the first turn off while in the left lane and were then making your right turn to exit and staying in the left lane. Did this person move from the right lane into the left lane to go around instead of exiting? Or did they make the exit same time as you and pull straight into the left lane which was the lane you were already traveling in?
Either way, the got it all wrong.

[scrubjay]

I hit a lady Thursday on Moris near 466. I was in the left lane going stright through and she was in the right lane going stright then moved over in my lane.
What a mess she made of the left side of her car.

[Bogie Shooter]

slow down let the right lane driver enter the roundabout first and leave that driver ahead of you. Then if they do something stupid you will not get whacked.

[travelguy]

unless you have driven in new jersey you have no idea how to navigate a roundabout, or what we refer to as traffic circles. believe me, driving there is an education. do not slow down, change lanes as often as you can, and get out of there......all without using a turn signal even once.

[MikeV]

I now always enter the roundabout in the right lane if I intend to go straight through. I have had to many close calls and the idiots who do this have the nerve to yell at me or give me the "salute". Just read the signs dummies.

[Shimpy]

All this confusion would be solved if round-a-bouts were just one lane. Down in S. Florida in Hollywood there is one which is about 3 lanes and you can imagine how much fun that is.

[NotGolfer]

Then there are those who don't slow (and yield) on approaching the round abouts. We were in the right lane going for the 1st turn off through a gate when a woman came barreling from the north on Morse and nearly ran over us! Didn't slow down.....fortunate for us we just made it.

[graciegirl]

Then there are those who don't slow (and yield) on approaching the round abouts. We were in the right lane going for the 1st turn off through a gate when a woman came barreling from the north on Morse and nearly ran over us! Didn't slow down.....fortunate for us we just made it.


Please, EVERYONE, watch and drive defensively. There are many new to The Villages, and many just plain bad drivers have joined us for the winter. I want to count noses the end of March and not come up short. I already admitted to being a worrier.

Please drive as if everyone else is crazy.

[Indydealmaker]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/7345d1354682767-roundabout-question-roundabout1.jpgI think that it might be less confusing for the newbies on the roundabouts to quit thinking in terms of right turn and left turns. Just learn which lane you are supposed to be in to go the direction you choose. Logically, all turns from the circle are "right" turns. The exits are one through four. Regardless of which direction you enter from, your first exit is YOUR number one, the two, etc. The signs posted at the approach to each roundabout are very clear.

Also, no lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout. You are either inside our outside.

Never enter a roundabout beside another car. Stagger your entry so that you are not T-boned. Also the speed limit of 20 is absolutely necessary. It is not an arbitrary speed.

[JB in TV]

Indy, thanks for posting this, I hope it helps those who can't visualize how this works!

One question I have had from our visitors...let's say you are going to take the 3rd exit, but want to be in the right lane to enter the right hand gate, when do you cross to the right hand lane? Where the white center line is dashed...dotted - - - - -? or after you exit the roundabout, by crossing the solid white line ____________? Where we all learned to drive, you don't cross solid white lines.

[tainsley]

unless you have driven in new jersey you have no idea how to navigate a roundabout, or what we refer to as traffic circles. believe me, driving there is an education. do not slow down, change lanes as often as you can, and get out of there......all without using a turn signal even once.

Haha! I know what you mean. I lived in So. Jersey for years. Rte. 130 circles bad! I would just close my eyes and pray! The roundabouts here are easy. Just keep your eyes on all mirrors and pray!

[Indydealmaker]

Indy, thanks for posting this, I hope it helps those who can't visualize how this works!

One question I have had from our visitors...let's say you are going to take the 3rd exit, but want to be in the right lane to enter the right hand gate, when do you cross to the right hand lane? Where the white center line is dashed...dotted - - - - -? or after you exit the roundabout, by crossing the solid white line ____________? Where we all learned to drive, you don't cross solid white lines.

I just gauge when/if I move to the right dependent upon who is coming from my right. If I can't safely make it within the broken white lines, then I just stay left. Residents can enter the left gate also, so it really does not matter. I always also use my turn signal for whatever that is worth. Some drivers are so anxious entering the circle that I wonder if they even notice the signal.

The only real close call I have had in the roundabout was when I encountered a car backing up because he had missed his turn.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Kathy, I am trying to picture what happened, but this old timer is not too sharp sometimes.

So, you had gone past the first turn off while in the left lane and were then making your right turn to exit and staying in the left lane. Did this person move from the right lane into the left lane to go around instead of exiting? Or did they make the exit same time as you and pull straight into the left lane which was the lane you were already traveling in?
Either way, the got it all wrong.

Yea, I'm confused to. What do you mean they made a left turn? You can't make a left turn out of round a bout unless you're in England.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/7345d1354682767-roundabout-question-roundabout1.jpgI think that it might be less confusing for the newbies on the roundabouts to quit thinking in terms of right turn and left turns. Just learn which lane you are supposed to be in to go the direction you choose. Logically, all turns from the circle are "right" turns. The exits are one through four. Regardless of which direction you enter from, your first exit is YOUR number one, the two, etc. The signs posted at the approach to each roundabout are very clear.

Also, no lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout. You are either inside our outside.

Never enter a roundabout beside another car. Stagger your entry so that you are not T-boned. Also the speed limit of 20 is absolutely necessary. It is not an arbitrary speed.

I think that problems occur when cars enter the round-a-bout at 6:00 go into the left lane, and intend to go straight through and exit at 12:00. A car enters the round-a-bot at 3:00 at approximately the same time stays in the right lane and intends to go straight through and exit at 9:00. The car in the right hand lane will be cutting across the bow of the car in the left hand lane. You have to watch out for this. Both drivers are following the rules, but there could be an issue if the car in the left hand lane isn't paying attention.

This little diagram is nice, but it doesn't address cars entering at close to the same time from different points. It only shows two cars entering from 6:00.

[Bogie Shooter]

Bill it must be that time year..................again.
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[mherzberg]

That it is!

[ilovetv]

I think that problems occur when cars enter the round-a-bout at 6:00 go into the left lane, and intend to go straight through and exit at 12:00. A car enters the round-a-bot at 3:00 at approximately the same time stays in the right lane and intends to go straight through and exit at 9:00. The car in the right hand lane will be cutting across the bow of the car in the left hand lane. You have to watch out for this. Both drivers are following the rules, but there could be an issue if the car in the left hand lane isn't paying attention.

This little diagram is nice, but it doesn't address cars entering at close to the same time from different points. It only shows two cars entering from 6:00.

I've had the o.p.'s scenario happen several times while going north on Buena Vista, in the area of Rainey Trail and Belvedere circles and it is dangerous. What differs from Dr. Winston O Boogie's scenario quoted is this:

While I entered at 6:00 into the inner (left) lane intending to go straight and exit at 12:00, another car entered at 6:00 (not 3:00) and slightly behind me, then sped around in the right lane... and as I was exiting at 12:00, they got slightly ahead of me and cut across to the left to exit at 9:00, nearly swiping my front passenger side bumper or t-boning my passenger side. Fortunately I was on the lookout and held back as they zoomed to the left in front of me.

That is what the o.p. is talking about: turning left from the right lane....translating to: they should not have entered the circle in the right lane at 6:00 with intentions of exiting the circle on the left at 9:00. (Should have entered in the left lane at 6:00.

Mike in Post #6 understood it that way, too, I'm pretty sure.

[kaydee]

entering & exiting ALWAYS stagger & please ALWAYS use BLINKERS

[mixsonci]

unless you have driven in new jersey you have no idea how to navigate a roundabout, or what we refer to as traffic circles. believe me, driving there is an education. do not slow down, change lanes as often as you can, and get out of there......all without using a turn signal even once.

I am from the Boston area and we are probably the only ones in the US who refer to roundabouts as Rotaries. However, Massachusetts has slowly been doing away with all roundabouts. There are of course some still around but they have been changing them and putting traffic lights in. Much better.

[mickey100]

I think that problems occur when cars enter the round-a-bout at 6:00 go into the left lane, and intend to go straight through and exit at 12:00. A car enters the round-a-bot at 3:00 at approximately the same time stays in the right lane and intends to go straight through and exit at 9:00. The car in the right hand lane will be cutting across the bow of the car in the left hand lane. You have to watch out for this. Both drivers are following the rules, but there could be an issue if the car in the left hand lane isn't paying attention.

This little diagram is nice, but it doesn't address cars entering at close to the same time from different points. It only shows two cars entering from 6:00.

The problem is, the car already in the roundabout has the right of way. The car entering the roundabout from 3:00 technically is supposed to wait until the cars already in the roundabout have gone by. If they followed this rule, then they would be able to go straight as you describe, with no conflict. If they actually did enter at exactly the same time, the car at 3:00 would be ahead of the car entering at 6:00 and there would be no problem.

Indymaker, that was a great diagram by the way.

[graciegirl]

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/7345d1354682767-roundabout-question-roundabout1.jpgI think that it might be less confusing for the newbies on the roundabouts to quit thinking in terms of right turn and left turns. Just learn which lane you are supposed to be in to go the direction you choose. Logically, all turns from the circle are "right" turns. The exits are one through four. Regardless of which direction you enter from, your first exit is YOUR number one, the two, etc. The signs posted at the approach to each roundabout are very clear.

Also, no lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout. You are either inside our outside.

Never enter a roundabout beside another car. Stagger your entry so that you are not T-boned. Also the speed limit of 20 is absolutely necessary. It is not an arbitrary speed.


Copy this and study it. I didn't walk on you intentionally Mickey...This is important for all new people to SEE.

[stroglass]

I live in jersey and travel state route 34 there are round about on this road and I have to tell you most drivers here also do not know how to dive in a roundabout .I think they should be removed but oh well coming to the villages I guess I have to live with them:swear:

[red tail]

they sure beat 4 way stop intersections!!

[Regor]

It would be so simple if everyone in the right lane, HAS to exit at the first exit!

[mickey100]

The great thing about roundabouts is that they keep traffic moving. If there were four way stops at all the intersections, traffic would be so bogged down it would be unbelievable. The roadway system in The Villages would just not be able to handle the volume of cars in the high season. The bad thing about roundabouts is that if one person disobeys the rules, it mucks it up for the other drivers in the roundabouts.

[Biker Dog]

Turn signals people....always use your turn signals...PLEASE!!!!!!:swear:

[Bogie Shooter]

For those who enjoy reading about how to drive roundabouts, there are over 100 posts. If this doesn't give you the answer...do a search on "roundabouts". Or continue reading the posts on this thread; which eventually will be duplication of the posts on these earlier threads.
There just so many different ways to say the same thing.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/tips-driving-villages-93123/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-roundabouts-92021/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/roundabouts-vs-stop-signs-90733/

[kathyzapp]

I've had the o.p.'s scenario happen several times while going north on Buena Vista, in the area of Rainey Trail and Belvedere circles and it is dangerous. What differs from Dr. Winston O Boogie's scenario quoted is this:

While I entered at 6:00 into the inner (left) lane intending to go straight and exit at 12:00, another car entered at 6:00 (not 3:00) and slightly behind me, then sped around in the right lane... and as I was exiting at 12:00, they got slightly ahead of me and cut across to the left to exit at 9:00, nearly swiping my front passenger side bumper or t-boning my passenger side. Fortunately I was on the lookout and held back as they zoomed to the left in front of me.

That is what the o.p. is talking about: turning left from the right lane....translating to: they should not have entered the circle in the right lane at 6:00 with intentions of exiting the circle on the left at 9:00. (Should have entered in the left lane at 6:00.

Mike in Post #6 understood it that way, too, I'm pretty sure.

Exactly! You said it so much better than I did.

[Golfingnut]

slow down let the right lane driver enter the roundabout first and leave that driver ahead of you. Then if they do something stupid you will not get whacked.

Agree. Even though they are wrong, they don't know it, so why be bothered with an accident.

[Indydealmaker]

In that case driver is completely wrong. You should never enter a round-a-bout at 6:00 in the right lane if your intention is to exit at 9:00. The right hand lane is for 3:00 and 12:00 ONLY. If you are in the right hand lane, you need to move to the left hand lane before you get into the round-a-bout or move over where the dashed lines are within the round-about.

I have a problem almost every week, where I enter a round-a-bout at 6:00 in the left lane intending to exit at 9:00. The problem occurs when I exit, I need to get into the right hand lane to go through the resident gate. sometimes cars are entering in the right hand lane right behind me and I have to change lanes. I am very aware of this always just super careful.

What I was pointing out is that we can have a problem even when all parties are following the rules.

Residents can enter through either lane.

[DDoug]

So what happens if I enter at 9:45 am do I have to wait till 12 noon to exit or and if so where should I park ( I hate these circles )

[cquick]

I really don't want to start another roundabout thread, but.......

Yesterday as I was exiting a roundabout in the left lane, a car turned left (practically in front of my car) from the right lane.

Same thing happened today.

We had three close calls last winter in the same situation.

No left turns from the right lane!

I know! People just cant figure out that roundabouts are just like a 4 way stop in that you can't turn left from the right lane....it never ends!

[cquick]

So what happens if I enter at 9:45 am do I have to wait till 12 noon to exit or and if so where should I park ( I hate these circles )

I'm sorry, but I don't understand...do you mean if you think of a roundabout like a clock face? Or what?:confused:

[cquick]

The great thing about roundabouts is that they keep traffic moving. If there were four way stops at all the intersections, traffic would be so bogged down it would be unbelievable. The roadway system in The Villages would just not be able to handle the volume of cars in the high season. The bad thing about roundabouts is that if one person disobeys the rules, it mucks it up for the other drivers in the roundabouts.

I SO agree with you! I love the roundabouts!

[getdul981]

Indy - It would be wonderful if The Sun would print your diagram on the front page of the paper several times, like every Sunday or at least once or twice a month. The signs installed prior to entering the circles are great, but I have a feeling that many people are so anxious about entering the circles that they just ignore them.

[cquick]

I hit a lady Thursday on Moris near 466. I was in the left lane going stright through and she was in the right lane going stright then moved over in my lane.
What a mess she made of the left side of her car.

I am so sorry, but if you were going straight, you had the right of way, not her, she technically hit you!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Residents can enter through either lane.

Yea, I realized that I had said that and tried to revise my post but somehow they got deleted. Here is a better explanation.As you can see it can happen whether you are in the right or left hand lane.

In that case driver is completely wrong. You should never enter a round-a-bout at 6:00 in the right lane if your intention is to exit at 9:00. The right hand lane is for 3:00 and 12:00 ONLY. If you are in the right hand lane, you need to move to the left hand lane before you get into the round-a-bout or move over where the dashed lines are within the round-about.

I have a problem almost every week, where I enter a round-a-bout at 6:00 in the left lane intending to exit at 9:00. The problem occurs when I need to exit. Sometimes cars are entering, at what is 12:00 to me, in the right hand lane and right behind me. They are going around to the point where I entered. (6:00 to me and 12:00 to them) If I try to take my exit, I am going to have to cut in front of them.

The problem is worse when there are three or four cars entering there are the same time. If I don't cut in front of the first one, I'd have to stop in the left hand lane of the round-a-about until all cars go by.

I am very aware of this always just super careful. I try to make eye contact with the driver entering the round-a-bout and sometimes point to where I'm going

What I was pointing out is that we can have a problem even when all parties are following the rules.

[cquick]

All this confusion would be solved if round-a-bouts were just one lane. Down in S. Florida in Hollywood there is one which is about 3 lanes and you can imagine how much fun that is.

try driving in a big city in England where one roundabout leads into another roundabout...called a double donut, cars coming in and exiting all over the place, and then try to read the name of the city you want to go to at the same time, then you would think that The Villages are easy!

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I'm sorry, but I don't understand...do you mean if you think of a roundabout like a clock face? Or what?:confused:

Doug is making a joke. I was the one who brought up the clock face analogy because that is the easiest wand clearest way to understand what we are talking about. I hear people talking about making left hand turns out of the round-a-bouts and I and I think many of us are confused.

So yes, think of a round-a-bout as a clock face. Where you enter is 6:00 the first exist is 3:00 the second exit is 12:00 and the third exit is 9:00.

Problems can arise when cars are entering the round-a-bout from different point even when everyone is obeying the rules.

[cquick]

I think that problems occur when cars enter the round-a-bout at 6:00 go into the left lane, and intend to go straight through and exit at 12:00. A car enters the round-a-bot at 3:00 at approximately the same time stays in the right lane and intends to go straight through and exit at 9:00. The car in the right hand lane will be cutting across the bow of the car in the left hand lane. You have to watch out for this. Both drivers are following the rules, but there could be an issue if the car in the left hand lane isn't paying attention.

This little diagram is nice, but it doesn't address cars entering at close to the same time from different points. It only shows two cars entering from 6:00.

If you are already in the roundabout, the person at 3:00 is supposed to yield to you, so there would be no problem

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Also, look at the diagram posted by Indydealmaker. You can, in fact change lanes in a round-a-bout. That's why there are dashed lines in some areas.

I think that most of the problems occur when people are exiting the round-a-bouts from the left hand lane, which is perfectly legal and in fact the proper procedure in some cases. It might actually be better if the law was that you can only exit from the right hand lane and if you're in the left, you need to change lanes before you exit.

[billethkid]

one just needs to remember that in TV there is a significant part of the population that DOES NOT:

>stop for stop signs
>does not obey the rules of the road in round-a-bouts
>does not do the speed limit
>does not repair ball marks on the greens
>does not (and will not) play ready golf

MAny blame it on the age of the population. I disagree; I don't remember getting less polite or less attentive or less obeying the law than I did 20 years ago.

I do agree some of these things are affected by age. I also believe there are far too many (senior seniors) behind the wheel that should not be.

The biggest culprit in the pile? ATTITUDE!!

Add them all up and there is only one answer.....get there and do it first (just kidding).......

Ave your breath and DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!

btk

[Eve2278]

The signage going North/ South is clearly marked for roundabouts.

This is not rocket science but certainly agree the dotted lines is what has everyone confused and crossing over

THINK ahead before you get to a circle and simply remember:

Right lane...go straight or exit to right

Left lane....go straight or around circle ...end of story!

NEVER EVER CROSS OVER IN CIRCLE....stay in your lane

CONFUSION is the dotted lines!

Dotted lines applies only to cars ENTERING into circle FROM the side subdivisions.

(Seriously if there were solid lines in a circle, people from the side would think, "well how am I suppose to go around the circle")

Dotted lines apply only for them

The white line is advising the cars coming from the SIDE they are allowed to cross over the circle to go around the circle., therefore a "dotted line"

[gomoho]

IMHO - if only everyone would properly yield the problem would be solved. Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

[THE NEWCOMER]

[QUOTE=Indydealmaker;785861]https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/7345d1354682767-roundabout-question-roundabout1.jpgI think that it might be less confusing for the newbies on the roundabouts to quit thinking in terms of right turn and left turns. Just learn which lane you are supposed to be in to go the direction you choose. Logically, all turns from the circle are "right" turns. The exits are one through four. Regardless of which direction you enter from, your first exit is YOUR number one, the two, etc. The signs posted at the approach to each roundabout are very clear.

Also, no lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout. You are either inside our outside.

Never enter a roundabout beside another car. Stagger your entry so that you are not T-boned. Also the speed limit of 20 is absolutely necessary. It is not an arbitrary speed.[/QUOTE

According to Lt. Wolfe, (Sumter County Sheriff's Department) a person making a LEFT TURN should use the VISTORS GATE ONLY! No lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout and that includes changing lanes to go into the RESIDENT GATE! STUDY THE DIAGRAM, a person making a left turn is going into the VISTORS GATE which is always on the left side entering the gate. There is no lane change shown going into the RESIDENTS GATE.

[Eve2278]

Also, look at the diagram posted by Indydealmaker. You can, in fact change lanes in a round-a-bout. That's why there are dashed lines in some areas.

I think that most of the problems occur when people are exiting the round-a-bouts from the left hand lane, which is perfectly legal and in fact the proper procedure in some cases. It might actually be better if the law was that you can only exit from the right hand lane and if you're in the left, you need to change lanes before you exit.

Sorry have to disagree. That is exactly what is happening now...and how is that working out for everyone.

Never change lanes in a roundabout.

The dotted or dashed lines apply to the cars exiting from the side subdivisions...

think about it, why would you be in the left lane wanting to go right,

why would you get in the right lane if you were going to go left.

Roundabouts keep traffic flowing by staying in the correct lane..

Dotted/dashed lines have nothing to do with cars already in the circle..

Having said that...we made the same assumption as you posted when we first came to TV...

however..Common Sense prevailed...when we understood the signage...
haven't had a problem since...

[Eve2278]

[QUOTE=Indydealmaker;785861]https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachments/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/7345d1354682767-roundabout-question-roundabout1.jpgI think that it might be less confusing for the newbies on the roundabouts to quit thinking in terms of right turn and left turns. Just learn which lane you are supposed to be in to go the direction you choose. Logically, all turns from the circle are "right" turns. The exits are one through four. Regardless of which direction you enter from, your first exit is YOUR number one, the two, etc. The signs posted at the approach to each roundabout are very clear.

Also, no lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout. You are either inside our outside.

Never enter a roundabout beside another car. Stagger your entry so that you are not T-boned. Also the speed limit of 20 is absolutely necessary. It is not an arbitrary speed.[/QUOTE

According to Lt. Wolfe, (Sumter County Sheriff's Department) a person making a LEFT TURN should use the VISTORS GATE ONLY! No lane changes should occur once you are in the roundabout and that includes changing lanes to go into the RESIDENT GATE! STUDY THE DIAGRAM, a person making a left turn is going into the VISTORS GATE which is always on the left side entering the gate. There is no lane change shown going into the RESIDENTS GATE.

AGREE you are correct...and do think before you get to the roundabout in which direction your going..

[murray607]

Turn signals people....always use your turn signals...PLEASE!!!!!!:swear:

And remember to signal before you make your turn, not while you are making your turn as it is too late then.

It is amazing the number of people that only signal while they are actually making their turn and I have even seen those that turn on the signal light after they have completed their turn. I wonder why?

[Matzy]

If everybody would use the little stick at the left side of the steering wheel, the blinker, more often it would make all much easier.. not just in a round-about. As Europeans have to use it, if you want to go out, means leaving the round-about use the right blinker, if you are on the left lane stay you have to circle until no other car from back (right side) can hit you, give signal (again: blinker to the right) and get out. Actually, it is pretty easy.

[ajbrown]

This AM, our neighbor and good friend was approaching a roundabout on her bike. She saw a car slowing down like they were going to exit, but they did not. Next, they moved to the left lane, so she assumed they missed exit and were going around again. They did not, but instead banged a U-turn and went the wrong way in the roundabout back to the exit it missed ....

I try not to post on roundabout threads, but come on....you must admit this is a new one :shocked:

Since I am already posting on the thread... why not share my opinion on roundabouts?
Much better for traffic flow and I feel much safer in them then a signal light....

[jblum315]

Probably not a new one, just new for you. I agree that roundabouts are safer and better traffic flow - we just have to be alert for drivers that don't follow the rules!

[pqrstar]

I think that problems occur when cars enter the round-a-bout at 6:00 go into the left lane, and intend to go straight through and exit at 12:00. A car enters the round-a-bot at 3:00 at approximately the same time stays in the right lane and intends to go straight through and exit at 9:00. The car in the right hand lane will be cutting across the bow of the car in the left hand lane. You have to watch out for this. Both drivers are following the rules, but there could be an issue if the car in the left hand lane isn't paying attention.

This little diagram is nice, but it doesn't address cars entering at close to the same time from different points. It only shows two cars entering from 6:00.

All cars entering a traffic circle are supposed to yield to BOTH LANES of traffic within the traffic circle.

[Bogie Shooter]

Even more about roundabouts.

[njbchbum]

Even more about roundabouts.

But it is more old stuff! :(

[sailor47]

slow down let the right lane driver enter the roundabout first and leave that driver ahead of you. Then if they do something stupid you will not get whacked.

Bogie...That is the way to do it. I have always done that and saved my car more than once.

Otherwise you would be right but in some cases dead right. Not really dead but a messed up car for sure.

[Bogie Shooter]

Glad posters are posting to these old threads............not!

[CFrance]

one just needs to remember that in TV there is a significant part of the population that DOES NOT:

>stop for stop signs
>does not obey the rules of the road in round-a-bouts
>does not do the speed limit
>does not repair ball marks on the greens
>does not (and will not) play ready golf

MAny blame it on the age of the population. I disagree; I don't remember getting less polite or less attentive or less obeying the law than I did 20 years ago.

I do agree some of these things are affected by age. I also believe there are far too many (senior seniors) behind the wheel that should not be.

The biggest culprit in the pile? ATTITUDE!!

Add them all up and there is only one answer.....get there and do it first (just kidding).......

Ave your breath and DRIVE DEFENSIVELY!!!

btk
Hear, hear.

[drdodge]

same way in Boston

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I've had the o.p.'s scenario happen several times while going north on Buena Vista, in the area of Rainey Trail and Belvedere circles and it is dangerous. What differs from Dr. Winston O Boogie's scenario quoted is this:

While I entered at 6:00 into the inner (left) lane intending to go straight and exit at 12:00, another car entered at 6:00 (not 3:00) and slightly behind me, then sped around in the right lane... and as I was exiting at 12:00, they got slightly ahead of me and cut across to the left to exit at 9:00, nearly swiping my front passenger side bumper or t-boning my passenger side. Fortunately I was on the lookout and held back as they zoomed to the left in front of me.

That is what the o.p. is talking about: turning left from the right lane....translating to: they should not have entered the circle in the right lane at 6:00 with intentions of exiting the circle on the left at 9:00. (Should have entered in the left lane at 6:00.

Mike in Post #6 understood it that way, too, I'm pretty sure.

The car on your right was clearly in the wrong. If he entered at 6:00 and want to exit at 9:00 or back at 6:00 he should have been in the left hand lane. You can avoid most accidents by expecting people to do the wrong thing, but if there was a collision in this case, the other person would have been totally at fault.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

All cars entering a traffic circle are supposed to yield to BOTH LANES of traffic within the traffic circle.

In my scenario, there were no cars in the circle. Two cars entered at the same time from different points. If a car is on your right and you intend to exit the round about, then you better make sure that it is safe to do so.

[cquick]

I hit a lady Thursday on Moris near 466. I was in the left lane going stright through and she was in the right lane going stright then moved over in my lane.
What a mess she made of the left side of her car.

Sounds like SHE hit you, you were in the "straight" lane, she crossed over and hit you.

[cquick]

But it is more old stuff! :(

yes, this IS all "old stuff" to those of us who have been living here for a while, but we are always getting new people moving here to TV, so perhaps it's not old to them.

[Miles42]

I am guessing common sense is not a resident requirement.

[Bonanza]

All of the comments are good and well meaning, even the ones that contradict each other. And speaking of contradictions, the biggest one, perhaps is the large green sign at each circle and the lines that are painted on the street.

The dotted lines painted on the road belie what the green sign is telling you. Anywhere in the u. S., a dotted line means that you can pass -- that it's legal to do so. That clearly is NOT what the sign indicates!