Rose Thief

[springfield]

A neighbor told me yesterday that her husband caught a man in their yard cutting roses and putting them in a cooler. When he asked him what he was doing, the guy just said "I like roses. " The neighbor asked him to leave or he would call the police. He just continued to stand there. Their next door neighbor said there were 2 men in their yard looking around. One of them matched the description of the "rose thief." This is just creepy having strangers wandering around in ones yard.

[graciegirl]

VERY strange!!! Annoying, Outrageous.


Their moms didn't get the part about STAY OUTA THEIR YARD and DON'T TOUCH IT IF IT ISN'T YOURS across.


What part of town do you live in?

[missypie]

It's called stealing.

[jblum315]

I used to have day lilies growing in profusion along the edges of my lot in NY and people would just help themselves until I had no blooms left. Never saw anyone doing it. . .

[eremite06]

People steal a lot of items from restaurants as well, ie., salt & pepper shakers from Ruby Tuesday.

[Villageshooter]

conceal an carry is for a reason,,,, go out with a shotgun,,, and this will be the last time they ever come around,,,

[graciegirl]

conceal an carry is for a reason,,,, go out with a shotgun,,, and this will be the last time they ever come around,,,



In fact, EVERYONE will stop coming around.

[blueash]

conceal an carry is for a reason,,,, go out with a shotgun,,, and this will be the last time they ever come around,,,

And then prepare yourself for the cost of a legal bill which you will richly deserve. Rose theft/trespass hardly qualify as capital offenses nor rise to the level of requiring self defense. However threatening others with a gun. Sadly I don't believe based on your name and your posting history that you meant your comment as a joke.

[gerryann]

Alzeimers or dementia come to mind.....misunderstanding what they are doing...

[Villageshooter]

And then prepare yourself for the cost of a legal bill which you will richly deserve. Rose theft/trespass hardly qualify as capital offenses nor rise to the level of requiring self defense. However threatening others with a gun. Sadly I don't believe based on your name and your posting history that you meant your comment as a joke.
no where did i say shoot them,, NEVER,,, i carry my gun like i wear my watch,, i realize the law, and the ramifications,, but i surely would send a message to the rose thiefs, if that is what they are in my yard for, which i highly doubt,,i wear very loose fitting underwear,, i never get my panties in a wad over ANYTHING,, you might want to try it,,,, we all have less days ahead of us then we have behind us,,

[BobnBev]

Could be casing the neighborhood for their next break-in.

If you didn't, you should have called the Sheriff immediately.

[Irish Red]

conceal an carry is for a reason,,,, go out with a shotgun,,, and this will be the last time they ever come around,,,

If someone is trespassing on my property and refuses to leave, I would feel threatened. I have no idea if this person is dangerous. I would call the police, copy down the car tags, and show him that I'm going to defend myself.

[loonlovers]

Did this actually happen in The Villages? If not, this post may cause undue concern. Naturally, we all want to be aware of what goes on in our neighborhoods, but let's not frighten or incite people unnecessarily.

[kagney123]

If someone is trespassing on my property and refuses to leave, I would feel threatened. I have no idea if this person is dangerous. I would call the police, copy down the car tags, and show him that I'm going to defend myself.

Yes I agree and taking a few pics with your phone will help also.

[kagney123]

no where did i say shoot them,, NEVER,,, i carry my gun like i wear my watch,, i realize the law, and the ramifications,, but i surely would send a message to the rose thiefs, if that is what they are in my yard for, which i highly doubt,,i wear very loose fitting underwear,, i never get my panties in a wad over ANYTHING,, you might want to try it,,,, we all have less days ahead of us then we have behind us,,

I agree except for the your term: "very loose fitting underware"

Tried that once got my ankles twisted and almost broke my nose!

[blueash]

It is not necessary for you to shoot them for you to be in violation of the law. I'm sure as a very well informed gun owner you knew that. I'm sure you also know there are huge differences between wearing a watch and a gun and your seeming to equate them as equally benign is humor?
There is a law against display of a weapon as a means of making a threat.
790.10 Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms.—If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

However, it is possible that people following your advise will instead face aggravated assault without intention to kill as your suggested action contains all the required elements of that felony:
Florida Statutes

784.011 Assault.—

(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

784.021 Aggravated assault.—

(1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault:

(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or
(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree,

Elements

To prove the crime of Assault, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Defendant intentionally and unlawfully threatened, either by word or act, to do violence to victim.
2. At the time, defendant appeared to have the ability to carry out the threat.
3. The act of defendant created in the mind of victim a well-founded fear that the violence was about to take place.

[njbchbum]

VERY strange!!! Annoying, Outrageous.


Their moms didn't get the part about STAY OUTA THEIR YARD and DON'T TOUCH IT IF IT ISN'T YOURS across.


What part of town do you live in?

Sounds like a job for 'the posse', doesn't it, gracie? :)

[graciegirl]

Did this actually happen in The Villages? If not, this post may cause undue concern. Naturally, we all want to be aware of what goes on in our neighborhoods, but let's not frighten or incite people unnecessarily.



You are very reasonable. I have lived here for six years and no one stole anything and the only folks who cut through my yard were going to the pool. Sweetie shot them.


JUST KIDDING.

[graciegirl]

Alzeimers or dementia come to mind.....misunderstanding what they are doing...





I thought so too gerryann, we all have lived for a LONG time and this whole episode is MOST unusual. ANYWHERE.

[OBXNana]

I'm back to the original post. Was this in The Villages?

[villagerjack]

Never had anyone steal anything in 7 years.

[jbdlfan]

People steal a lot of items from restaurants as well, ie., salt & pepper shakers from Ruby Tuesday.

Boy thats the truth. When my spouse worked at Citizens, residents would come in and take the whole basket of apples. One person even boasted that they made apple crisp with them. Others would come in and take the newspapers and three or four bags of popcorn. Needless to say, we live among some people with sticky fingers....

[Villageshooter]

never mind

[Villageshooter]

have a nice day

[springfield]

They were 2 young adults and our neighbor did call the police. We all need to keep our eyes open, not just for ourselves, but other neighbors

[Bogie Shooter]

becareful with cut an paste,, that is copyright violation

Printed laws are public information, right?

[graciegirl]

They were 2 young adults and our neighbor did call the police. We all need to keep our eyes open, not just for ourselves, but other neighbors



I remember you now.


Your advice is heeded by me.


No wonder you posted it. It was as I first said. OUTRAGEOUS. I hope that someone got their license plate or some other identifying information. You are not contiguous to other villages there, but in between two sections of non village homes.


Not that that matters in the whole scheme of things. Very troubling. With a cooler, cutting someone else's roses! Beyond audacious.

[Jaggy]

Did we ever figure out where this happened?? If the Villages, which one??

[graciegirl]

Did we ever figure out where this happened?? If the Villages, which one??



Bridgeport at Miona Shores, down Rainey Trail, off of Buena Vista.

[Villageshooter]

Printed laws are public information, right?

I stand corrected,, you right,, or left whatever side you want to be on,,,

[Rango]

Alzeimers or dementia come to mind.....misunderstanding what they are doing...

That's what I'm thinking.

[murray607]

That's what I'm thinking.

Maybe he had a fall out with his wife and wanted to make up with a nice bunch of roses.

[Sable99]

Alzeimers or dementia come to mind.....misunderstanding what they are doing...

That is what I first thought of until I saw that they had a cooler and were young!

[BobnBev]

That is what I first thought of until I saw that they had a cooler and were young!

I always thought cooler + young = beer.:beer3::eek::D

[raynan]

I think they were checking to see if anyone was home by cutting the flowers. I know, I get suspicious when strangers are in the neighborhood.

[Easyrider]

It is not necessary for you to shoot them for you to be in violation of the law. I'm sure as a very well informed gun owner you knew that. I'm sure you also know there are huge differences between wearing a watch and a gun and your seeming to equate them as equally benign is humor?
There is a law against display of a weapon as a means of making a threat.
790.10 Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms.—If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

However, it is possible that people following your advise will instead face aggravated assault without intention to kill as your suggested action contains all the required elements of that felony:
Florida Statutes

784.011 Assault.—

(1) An “assault” is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

784.021 Aggravated assault.—

(1) An “aggravated assault” is an assault:

(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or
(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree,

Elements

To prove the crime of Assault, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Defendant intentionally and unlawfully threatened, either by word or act, to do violence to victim.
2. At the time, defendant appeared to have the ability to carry out the threat.
3. The act of defendant created in the mind of victim a well-founded fear that the violence was about to take place.



So anyone can do whatever they wish in your yard as you will do nothing about it, Correct? :0000000000luvmyhors

[Down Sized]

And then prepare yourself for the cost of a legal bill which you will richly deserve. Rose theft/trespass hardly qualify as capital offenses nor rise to the level of requiring self defense. However threatening others with a gun. Sadly I don't believe based on your name and your posting history that you meant your comment as a joke.

DA!

[blueash]

So anyone can do whatever they wish in your yard as you will do nothing about it, Correct? :0000000000luvmyhors

While certainly not on the topic of the OP, I simply posted the law regarding the display of firearms, or other armaments in what may be regarded by the bystander as a threat. One can speak the person on your property, one can photograph, one can call the police. What you seemingly cannot do it leave your home and use a potentially lethal weapon to drive the rose picker away. I am neither a lawyer nor peace officer so I may be wrong.

[kaydee]

call the police...it is a violation

[Easyrider]

call the police...it is a violation

But will he (The Rose Picker) be willing to wait until they can get there? :police:

[Carl in Tampa]

conceal an carry is for a reason,,,, go out with a shotgun,,, and this will be the last time they ever come around,,,

Well............. no.

First off, concealed carry authority does not include shotguns. You sound like you are taking advice from VP Joe (nut job) Biden... "Go out on the balcony and fire your shotgun." Stupid advice, and illegal in his state..... and here.

If a person is simply on your property there is no offense, not even trespass. Trespass can only be charged after you tell them to leave and they don't do so. Then the police MAY arrest them, if they continue to refuse to leave after the police arrive. It is a misdemeanor and must be committed in the presence of the police for the police to make a lawful arrest.

If you display a firearm in the absence of a threat YOU are subject to arrest.

The simple answer, if the person on your property is taking or damaging your property, is to call the police. That is what they are for.

Don't be the next George Zimmerman. If you have a concealed weapon permit, keep the weapon concealed. Even if you feel threatened, return to your house and call the police.

I have been involved in a few line-of-duty shootings where I was entirely in the right, but even then the paperwork and the stress of having the prosecutor decide that you were right is not an enjoyable experience.

As in the case under discussion.......... they were only flowers. You can get new ones.

Chill out.

:police:

[Bill32]

The way the laws are today your lucky if you get away with protecting your life.....forget about your property, try to protect that and you will probably get arrested.....

[TrudyM]

I used to have day lilies growing in profusion along the edges of my lot in NY and people would just help themselves until I had no blooms left. Never saw anyone doing it. . .

We also had people pick the day lilies in our yard in NH always before they were open when we finally caught the person found out they were cooking and eating them.

I would think young people walking through yards and cutting flowers would raise a red flag and be worth a call to the cops. You said the your neighbor called the cops did they show up?

[2BNTV]

I think this "rose thief", is a person has lost their ability, to reason properly.

Hence, when told to get off the property, he just stood there!!! Anybody with a sense of right and wrong, would have scurried away, when confonted in this manner.

I may be wrong and frequently am. :smiley:

[cquick]

Last night my hubbie and I were just saying how wonderful it is to live in a place where you could have a whole row of potted Poinsettias on the stage like they did at Brownwood last night without worrying if they would be stolen. Now I wonder if the staff puts them away after the entertainment is over.

[karostay]

I used to have day lilies growing in profusion along the edges of my lot in NY and people would just help themselves until I had no blooms left. Never saw anyone doing it. . .
Perhaps they were deer eating your lillies

[justjim]

A lot of speculation about this incident. I'll throw another one out. Maybe these two had the wrong house and they were told to get these to analyze for a problem with the roses. Pests, bugs, fungus etc.

It doesn't seem logical that two younger adult males would be picking roses and putting them into a cooler for themselves or for their significant other for that matter. But I can believe they could accidently gone to the wrong property. Finding a certain property isn't always an easy thing to do in TV---especially if you are not a resident.

[graciegirl]

A lot of speculation about this incident. I'll throw another one out. Maybe these two had the wrong house and they were told to get these to analyze for a problem with the roses. Pests, bugs, fungus etc.

It doesn't seem logical that two younger adult males would be picking roses and putting them into a cooler for themselves or for their significant other for that matter. But I can believe they could accidently gone to the wrong property. Finding a certain property isn't always an easy thing to do in TV---especially if you are not a resident.



Why would you steal FLOWERS from private property? There are flowers everywhere in Florida.

[springfield]

I was teasing our neighbor about his stolen roses. He said he saw the same young man working for one of the lawn companies yesterday. He went to the owner of the company and told him what happened. The rose owner is a kind, generous person and said he would have given him the roses if he had only asked. He thinks the young man's English was limited and just said he like roses. The fact that the man just stood there and didn't leave is what really creeped him out.

When the sheriff came, the officers said we should always call when something strange happens like this because you don't know what the motive is or if drugs are involved.

This morning, the lawn company owner had his truck parked in front of our driveway. I could hear him telling one of the workers that you just don't take roses from people. So perhaps he really didn't know that you don't do that.

[tpop1]

A neighbor told me yesterday that her husband caught a man in their yard cutting roses and putting them in a cooler. When he asked him what he was doing, the guy just said "I like roses. " The neighbor asked him to leave or he would call the police. He just continued to stand there. Their next door neighbor said there were 2 men in their yard looking around. One of them matched the description of the "rose thief." This is just creepy having strangers wandering around in ones yard.

This post illustrates, in my opinion, 2 major problems with our society today:

1) Individuals undertaking bad behavior without regard for the consequences.
Notice he just stood there when confronted and showed up in another yard later. One poster's comment about getting out his firearm did not seem to me to be unwarranted when the person did not leave...he became a threat to the homeowner at that moment and may have had to face the consequences of his action!!!!

2) Many members of society (ie our board here) seem to want to minimize the bad actions of individuals, make excuses for them, and denigrate an honest opinion of how one poster would handle this threat to his property.

[graciegirl]

I was teasing our neighbor about his stolen roses. He said he saw the same young man working for one of the lawn companies yesterday. He went to the owner of the company and told him what happened. The rose owner is a kind, generous person and said he would have given him the roses if he had only asked. He thinks the young man's English was limited and just said he like roses. The fact that the man just stood there and didn't leave is what really creeped him out.

When the sheriff came, the officers said we should always call when something strange happens like this because you don't know what the motive is or if drugs are involved.

This morning, the lawn company owner had his truck parked in front of our driveway. I could hear him telling one of the workers that you just don't take roses from people. So perhaps he really didn't know that you don't do that.



Bless you dear girl for this follow up explanation. It really did seem so strange. I wouldn't want you or anyone to be in danger.

[Bogie Shooter]

so, all of this hand wringing posts about dementia, thieves, stand your ground, carry or not carry, shoot and ask questions later..............
were all a waste of time.....????

[rubicon]

It is not necessary for you to shoot them for you to be in violation of the law. I'm sure as a very well informed gun owner you knew that. I'm sure you also know there are huge differences between wearing a watch and a gun and your seeming to equate them as equally benign is humor?
There is a law against display of a weapon as a means of making a threat.
790.10 Improper exhibition of dangerous weapons or firearms.�If any person having or carrying any dirk, sword, sword cane, firearm, electric weapon or device, or other weapon shall, in the presence of one or more persons, exhibit the same in a rude, careless, angry, or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense, the person so offending shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

However, it is possible that people following your advise will instead face aggravated assault without intention to kill as your suggested action contains all the required elements of that felony:
Florida Statutes

784.011 Assault.�

(1) An �assault� is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

(2) Whoever commits an assault shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

784.021 Aggravated assault.�

(1) An �aggravated assault� is an assault:

(a) With a deadly weapon without intent to kill; or
(b) With an intent to commit a felony.

(2) Whoever commits an aggravated assault shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree,

Elements

To prove the crime of Assault, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

1. Defendant intentionally and unlawfully threatened, either by word or act, to do violence to victim.
2. At the time, defendant appeared to have the ability to carry out the threat.
3. The act of defendant created in the mind of victim a well-founded fear that the violence was about to take place.

Hi blueash: assault or the spoken word depends on interpretations which is usually argued to the umpteenth degeee lawyers. Battery can be the mere laying of a hand or touch on a person.

it is conceivable that a homeowner could simply stand on his property with a weapon tucked in his waistline saying nothing but glaring at trespasser

I do not own a gun .

[sharonga]

I agree with Gerryann. Maybe a little compassion instead of anger

[boomerbaby]

It would be a great thing if ALL the companies that come into the villages to do work tell all their workers there are rules and laws here and one is you never take anything from someones property even flowers.

[Easyrider]

call the police...it is a violation


Anyone else think this truck was not breaking any laws? As with the rose thief what would you have done if it were your driveway?

If the police and community watch would do NOTHING to stop this I doubt they would stop a rose thief. Both community watch and the SCSO Deputy said the truck was not breaking any laws and it was a civil matter. The truck was repeatedly within 6 inches OR LESS of the garage door on a private driveway but no laws were broken per SCSO.. Neither agency would do a thing to stop this HEAVY truck from repeatedly pulling up into the drive and making more marks on a private driveway and the owners were absent. Then the trucking company tried to deny with the property owner that they had made the marks but the photos proved it, really lucky this heavy truck did not crack the concrete. Truck was trying to back up and turn to back down a cul-de-sac and ended up in a private drive in the process.

You're pretty much on your own...don't expect much from SCSO or Community Watch.

[Bogie Shooter]

It would be a great thing if ALL the companies that come into the villages to do work tell all their workers there are rules and laws here and one is you never take anything from someones property even flowers.

Isn't that common sense? How are rules and laws any different here in TV?

[SusanOfWoodbury]

Alzeimers or dementia come to mind.....misunderstanding what they are doing...


Maybe he has a loved one at home is dying and that person loves roses!!! We need not jump to conclusions, just saying

[boomerbaby]

That truck IS trespassing and should be held responsible for the damage on that driveway, pictures say it all.

[Easyrider]

That truck IS trespassing and should be held responsible for the damage on that driveway, pictures say it all.

If the truck was breaking the law by trespassing why did the SCSO Deputy not stop him from continuing to drive into the driveway over and over and hold him responsible? The deputy left without doing anything at all knowing this damage had been done. No write up, no report, nothing.