Just to clarify

[Golfingnut]

A recent misstep needs clarification.

How did Jesus and the Hebrews become WHITE? (http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm)

[graciegirl]

A recent misstep needs clarification.

How did Jesus and the Hebrews become WHITE? (http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm)


You know Golfingnut, I think the world of you, but I wouldn't have used the word "clarify" in this particular topic.


We are all colored to some hue. We all have the features of our ancestors. We all probably feel a certain comfort level with our ethnic groups that are familiar and what we grew up with. We make Santa and the elves and the saints and even God in our minds to look like we do.


They all look like they look and no harm done and stirring things up doesn't seem to help. Ever. Finding good in others is sometimes easy and sometimes hard, but worth the effort.


There are issues, valid issues that are relevant in today's world that are racial. but to me, this isn't one of them.

[redwitch]

I always knew Jesus wasn't white -- didn't make sense considering the region he came from and what the people there looked like. I had some major issues with American and European churches depicting a white man as Jesus as a child. As an adult, I understand the need to have him look like the people who worship him. In Japan, there is a church with a stained window showing Jesus as having a yellow tinge and epicanthic eyes. I've always wondered, though, how Jesus feels seeing his image so skewed.

[Golfingnut]

You know Golfingnut, I think the world of you, but I wouldn't have used the word "clarify" in this particular topic.


We are all colored to some hue. We all have the features of our ancestors. We all probably feel a certain comfort level with our ethnic groups that are familiar and what we grew up with. We make Santa and the elves and the saints and even God in our minds to look like we do.


They all look like they look and no harm done and stirring things up doesn't seem to help. Ever. Finding good in others is sometimes easy and sometimes hard, but worth the effort.


There are issues, valid issues that are relevant in today's world that are racial. but to me, this isn't one of them.

Well it should be worth the effort. The truth will set you free if you can find it. When a public figure lies, they should be called. Jesus was not a white man and as a Christian, I take offense when intentional lies are told about The Lord.
I think it has offended Christians around the world. Jesus resembled Mohamed more so than the pope. We all have limits on what we find offensive and for me this is one.

[rubicon]

Golfingnut: I can't find a better manner to continue feckless race discussion than clarifying an issue such as this.

You seem to have this obsession with the black issue and my instincts tell me it originated 1964 (circa). This nation has advanced leaps and bounds since then and we ought to be concentrating on Americans as a unit.

Please this in your face stuff does not bode well here

Personal Best Regards:

[graciegirl]

I always knew Jesus wasn't white -- didn't make sense considering the region he came from and what the people there looked like. I had some major issues with American and European churches depicting a white man as Jesus as a child. As an adult, I understand the need to have him look like the people who worship him. In Japan, there is a church with a stained window showing Jesus as having a yellow tinge and epicanthic eyes. I've always wondered, though, how Jesus feels seeing his image so skewed.



Do ANY of us know how he really looks? Perhaps when viewed, he appears to each of us as our image of "beautiful".


I am under the impression that The Messiah is kind and all loving, and patient with our faults.








I don't like these kinds of threads. They bring out bad feelings and are not helpful at all.


Wait and see. Some things are better left undiscussed. This kind of thread often turns into a political fight too. There will be scathing remarks by the people who do not believe in God, and soon we will have a religious tension on here that cannot be resolved and is simply not worth our time. People believe as they believe and they are entitled to do so and hopefully those beliefs do not harm anyone.


That is a whole other issue.


Merry Christmas to all who are celebrating Christmas. Peace on Earth to all.

[Peachie]

Do ANY of us know how he really looks? Perhaps when viewed, he appears to each of us as our image of "beautiful".


I am under the impression that The Messiah is kind and all loving, and patient with our faults.








I don't like these kinds of threads. They bring out bad feelings and are not helpful at all.


Wait and see. Some things are better left undiscussed. This kind of thread often turns into a political fight too. There will be scathing remarks by the people who do not believe in God, and soon we will have a religious tension on here that cannot be resolved and is simply not worth our time. People believe as they believe and they are entitled to do so and hopefully those beliefs do not harm anyone.


That is a whole other issue.


Merry Christmas to all who are celebrating Christmas. Peace on Earth to all.

Gracie, thank you so much for putting into words what I felt when I read the OP and I agree; peace on earth to all.

Rubicon, thank you for your statement too. Peace.

[Golfingnut]

Golfingnut: I can't find a better manner to continue feckless race discussion than clarifying an issue such as this.

You seem to have this obsession with the black issue and my instincts tell me it originated 1964 (circa). This nation has advanced leaps and bounds since then and we ought to be concentrating on Americans as a unit.

Please this in your face stuff does not bode well here

Personal Best Regards:

What is the Black issue? I was in high school in 1964...

All I am saying is I believe that Jesus was not a European looking white man. What do you believe?

[Golfingnut]

Do ANY of us know how he really looks? Perhaps when viewed, he appears to each of us as our image of "beautiful".


I am under the impression that The Messiah is kind and all loving, and patient with our faults.








I don't like these kinds of threads. They bring out bad feelings and are not helpful at all.


Wait and see. Some things are better left undiscussed. This kind of thread often turns into a political fight too. There will be scathing remarks by the people who do not believe in God, and soon we will have a religious tension on here that cannot be resolved and is simply not worth our time. People believe as they believe and they are entitled to do so and hopefully those beliefs do not harm anyone.


That is a whole other issue.


Merry Christmas to all who are celebrating Christmas. Peace on Earth to all.

Very true Gracie. We my disagree about the race of Jesus, but your post is true.

[Peachie]

What is the Black issue? I was in high school in 1964...

All I am saying is I believe that Jesus was not a European looking white man. What do you believe?

Peace to you, Golfingnut. :thumbup: I am not concerned at all about the race of Jesus.

[buggyone]

Does it really matter what personal opinion that some talking head on a news channel said? No, it does not matter.

I remember seeing some Biblical movies such as King of Kings. Jesus was a very tall, blonde, blue-eyed white person (Jeffrey Chandler, I think). Of course, He did not look like that. Think more of a Lebanese looking person, olive skin maybe, dark eyes for sure, probably curly black hair, and no more than 5 foot 5 inches tall. Just a wild guess on my part as even I am not that old!

Once again, does it matter either what personal opinion was expressed by a talking head or what He really looked like in reality?

Anyhow, whatever Jesus looked like, the world was changed forever with His coming, life, and resurrection.

[Golfingnut]

Peace to you, Golfingnut. :thumbup:

Thanks and the love of Jesus back at you.

[Golfingnut]

Does it really matter what personal opinion that some talking head on a news channel said? No, it does not matter.

I remember seeing some Biblical movies such as King of Kings. Jesus was a very tall, blonde, blue-eyed white person (Jeffrey Chandler, I think). Of course, He did not look like that. Think more of a Lebanese looking person, olive skin maybe, dark eyes for sure, probably curly black hair, and no more than 5 foot 5 inches tall. Just a wild guess on my part as even I am not that old!

Once again, does it matter either what personal opinion was expressed by a talking head or what He really looked like in reality?

Anyhow, whatever Jesus looked like, the world was changed forever with His coming, life, and resurrection.

That's all I was saying. It does bother me to see his memory distorted for any reason.

[CFrance]

Now I will be singing the song in my head all day...

"A-a-a-men
A-a-a-men
A-a-men, Amen, Amen."

Love and Peace to all.

[donb9006]

Well it should be worth the effort. The truth will set you free if you can find it. When a public figure lies, they should be called. Jesus was not a white man and as a Christian, I take offense when intentional lies are told about The Lord.
I think it has offended Christians around the world. Jesus resembled Mohamed more so than the pope. We all have limits on what we find offensive and for me this is one.

The truth shall set you free? When a public figure lies, they should be called on it? Jesus was NOT a white man?

Religion is truth? Then why are there so many different ones? There are estimates that there are OVER 5000 different sects in Christianity alone...why so many if it's "the truth"?

There are so many lies told by public figures, it isn't funny...it's sad, yet we do nothing. Why? Why DO we put up with it?

Jesus wasn't white? Really? Then what was he? He wasn't Asian. He wasn't Negroid. He wasn't American Indian. That leaves white (Caucasian). People from the Mediterranean regions ARE white. Spanish are white, Italians are white, Israelis are white. Just because your skin is dark, doesn't mean you're not classified as Caucasian. White (Caucasian) isn't only the Northern European version of white.

[Golfingnut]

The truth shall set you free? When a public figure lies, they should be called on it? Jesus was NOT a white man?

Religion is truth? Then why are there so many different ones? There are estimates that there are OVER 5000 different sects in Christianity alone...why so many if it's "the truth"?

There are so many lies told by public figures, it isn't funny...it's sad, yet we do nothing. Why? Why DO we put up with it?

Jesus wasn't white? Really? Then what was he? He wasn't Asian. He wasn't Negroid. He wasn't American Indian. That leaves white (Caucasian). People from the Mediterranean regions ARE white. Spanish are white, Italians are white, Israelis are white. Just because your skin is dark, doesn't mean you're not classified as Caucasian. White (Caucasian) isn't only the Northern European version of white.

You may be right. That is why I added European looking. As I have quoted before, I live by the writings of Sermon on the Mount. All the other writings are well intentioned but fictional stories. If not Jesus and his teachings, then I would become an atheist.

[billethkid]

and of course if any of us were concerned about a misstep this one link is what sets the record straight? Right.

I am impressed after all these centuries and all the scholars in the world and all the religions of the world thoroughout these centureis have been able to keep it a secret.....UNTIL NOW!! I am impressed.

I wonder who or what the make up of the very first group was that decided to hide the real truth.

I am impressed....tick tock....I am over it!

Over what?:D

Merry Christmas!!

btk

[Matzy]

I somewhat agree with some of the comments but for me it isn't an issue to talk about a "race". There are people with different colors of skin on earth but there are all human beings and at the end brothers and sisters. So what? What people can make out of that… well we can see, hear and feel it in different ways under different circumstances.

[Golfingnut]

It has never been a secret to those that have educated themselves on biblical history.

[Golfingnut]

I somewhat agree with some of the comments but for me it isn't an issue to talk about a "race". There are people with different colors of skin on earth but there are all human beings and at the end brothers and sisters. So what? What people can make out of that… well we can see, hear and feel it in different ways under different circumstances.

Very nice post. Thank you.:BigApplause:

[Barefoot]

Do ANY of us know how he really looks? Perhaps when viewed, he appears to each of us as our image of "beautiful".

I agree with Gracie's supposition that when viewed, Jesus appears to each of us as our image of beautiful. After all, his teachings are all about love and acceptance and generosity of spirit.

[graciegirl]

wwjd?


Maybe close this thread and bless us all?

[Golfingnut]

wwjd?


Maybe close this thread and bless us all?

Close your own threads and leave mine alone PLEASE.

[Golfingnut]

I agree with Gracie's supposition that when viewed, Jesus appears to each of us as our image of beautiful. After all, his teachings are all about love and acceptance and generosity of spirit.

Yes that is why I like to talk about Sermon on the Mount.

[donb9006]

I agree with Gracie's supposition that when viewed, Jesus appears to each of us as our image of beautiful. After all, his teachings are all about love and acceptance and generosity of spirit.

Yes that is why I like to talk about Sermon on the Mount.

What DID Jesus say? It's a VERY good question! Why? Because he didn't write ONE word down. Because his chosen few apostles didn't write down ONE word. Why not?

So, I ask, what DID Jesus say? And how do you know?

It's a simple innocent question. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to instigate a brouhaha.

[karostay]

A recent misstep needs clarification.

How did Jesus and the Hebrews become WHITE? (http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Jesus/Jesus.htm)

Because the creator made them that way

[Peachie]

What DID Jesus say? It's a VERY good question! Why? Because he didn't write ONE word down. Because his chosen few apostles didn't write down ONE word. Why not?

So, I ask, what DID Jesus say? And how do you know?

It's a simple innocent question. Feel free to PM me if you don't want to instigate a brouhaha.

Don, this conversation may not be one in which you want to include yourself. You've made it very obvious that you are an atheist; I accept that you do not believe the precepts of the bible.

I will respect your right to hold your opinion, please accept our right to have faith and believe in God. A brouhaha is not required.

[gomoho]

What is the Black issue? I was in high school in 1964...

All I am saying is I believe that Jesus was not a European looking white man. What do you believe?

I believe we were all made in His image and likeness - so He looks like all of mankind.

[Schaumburger]

Does it really matter what personal opinion that some talking head on a news channel said? No, it does not matter.

I remember seeing some Biblical movies such as King of Kings. Jesus was a very tall, blonde, blue-eyed white person (Jeffrey Chandler, I think). Of course, He did not look like that. Think more of a Lebanese looking person, olive skin maybe, dark eyes for sure, probably curly black hair, and no more than 5 foot 5 inches tall. Just a wild guess on my part as even I am not that old!

Once again, does it matter either what personal opinion was expressed by a talking head or what He really looked like in reality?

Anyhow, whatever Jesus looked like, the world was changed forever with His coming, life, and resurrection.


:BigApplause: Thank you for that post.

[justjim]

Religion and politics----perhaps the two most difficult subjects to discuss among friends. Peace on earth and Merry Christmas to all.

[graciegirl]

Religion and politics----perhaps the two most difficult subjects to discuss among friends. Peace on earth and Merry Christmas to all.







Amen.

[red tail]

it takes two to tango. the only way to shut down the wackos is to ignore them!

[Bucco]

Religion and politics----perhaps the two most difficult subjects to discuss among friends. Peace on earth and Merry Christmas to all.

I am a bit confused by ANY discussion of this. I have always thought that everyone had their own "perception" of both parties. Sorry, as much as I enjoy debate, I really do not see the point of this at all.

Some just have a need to scratch any "scab" they can find !!

[donb9006]

Religion and politics----perhaps the two most difficult subjects to discuss among friends. Peace on earth and Merry Christmas to all.

And the two MOST important to intelligently discuss...

[Bucco]

And the two MOST important to intelligently discuss...

I do not often agree with your posts, but you are onto something here. It is uncomfortable to do those discussions, and not easy. It requires LISTENING and compromise also.

Our country has very little of the discipline required thus we are what we are !!!

[Villages PL]

I have always thought the likenesses of Jesus, wherever you may see them, were created by various artists. And, as I understand it, art is a creative process based on what the artist visualizes in his or her own mind. You can't argue with art. It is what it is.

Therefore, this thread strikes me as an effort to get even with "evil" white people who plundered, enslaved and killed blacks throughout history. I think it's time to let go of it.

Peace to all and Merry Christmas!

[Big O]

I am not a Bible scholar by any means but does the Bible indicate what race Jesus was? If it does, maybe that is relevant, if not, maybe that is relevant.

[Bucco]

I am not a Bible scholar by any means but does the Bible indicate what race Jesus was? If it does, maybe that is relevant, if not, maybe that is relevant.

Does the color of Jesus's skin, whether real or perceived, make any difference to anyone ?

[Big O]

Does the color of Jesus's skin, whether real or perceived, make any difference to anyone ?

I don't believe it should.

[eweissenbach]

Lou, you do know how to stir the pot! First, I am fairly confident that Jesus Christ was not blond and blue eyed. I agree with the basic premise of the article, that the image was portrayed as"white" in order to appeal to the largest constituency of Christianity. I can think of a number of "true believers" who would change their beliefs drastically if presented with indisputable evidence that Christ was black.
The article, while interesting, contains one giant error in stating that the color of black people becomes white in three generations and vice versa. If that is the case how do descendants of slaves, here for ten generations or more in some cases, remain black (provided they are not of mixed heritage). Egregious errors like that in what purports to be a scholarly piece destroy the credibility of the author and all the "facts" presented. To me, it is a non issue, but to many it would be huge.

[ilovetv]

Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.

1 Timothy 1:15

[DougB]

Personally, I could care less what color anybody was, is, or will be.

[jodymike3@aol.com]

let it go!!

[Golfingnut]

Donb9006 is the one poster that has not been mean spirited and sarcastic on this thread. Thank you don, and if you are in fact an atheist, I must take a closer look at atheism. Is it the norm for atheists vs Christians to be more all inclusive?

[dillywho]

Personally, I have never given it a thought. He accepted me just the way I am, and I accept him just the way He is now or however He was when He walked this earth.

I prefer to have my faith as it is to me, and I don't care what the talking heads have to say....one way or the other. I am just eternally grateful that we live in this country where we can have our opinions, voice them or not.

Merry Christmas to all and a very Happy New Year!

[Golfingnut]

Personally, I have never given it a thought. He accepted me just the way I am, and I accept him just the way He is now or however He was when He walked this earth.

I prefer to have my faith as it is to me, and I don't care what the talking heads have to say....one way or the other. I am just eternally grateful that we live in this country where we can have our opinions, voice them or not.

Merry Christmas to all and a very Happy New Year!

I agree 100% but some wish to distort the truth by claiming he was not middle eastern.

[dillywho]

I agree 100% but some wish to distort the truth by claiming he was not middle eastern.

And that's why my TV has a remote. I can pick and choose my watching/listening. They, too, are entitled to think whatever they want. I don't have to be or become like-minded.

(Remember the days when you actually had to get up, go over to the TV, and change the channel!?!:D:D)

[KeepingItReal]

This is all we need to know. and who are we to question anything really? There is always someone wanting to argue and try to make others believe they have all the answers or questions even.
Not one of us can change even one little thing except what we believe in our own heart and our own actions.

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.


Merry Christmas to All and May We Pray That God Will Have Mercy And Bless Our Country Once Again

[rubicon]

Like I said in my previous post I can't find any better way to bring up the issue of race than to clarify something like this.

I would be more pleased if people were discussing some of the wise counsel passed on by Jesus rather than his nationality or origin .


Boun Natale
Merry Christmas

[Golfingnut]

And that's why my TV has a remote. I can pick and choose my watching/listening. They, too, are entitled to think whatever they want. I don't have to be or become like-minded.

(Remember the days when you actually had to get up, go over to the TV, and change the channel!?!:D:D)

I do remember those days, but I also remember what is is like to be a responsible person and since I am the OP on this thread, it is my responsibility to stay tuned and not run away.

[Golfingnut]

Like I said in my previous post I can't find any better way to bring up the issue of race than to clarify something like this.

I would be more pleased if people were discussing some of the wise counsel passed on by Jesus rather than his nationality or origin .


Boun Natale
Merry Christmas

Tell that to Megan.

[Bucco]

I agree 100% but some wish to distort the truth by claiming he was not middle eastern.

I am not sure what exactly the OP watches, nor do I care, but it is pretty obvious that this is a political thread and was from the start.

If we are allowed to bring outrageous statements from any channel on here, please post that because I got a bunch of them.

This is a political thread !!!

[billethkid]

mean spirited and sarcastic must obviously mean having a difference of opinion or position or anyone who disagrees with anything stated.

Obviously!.

btk

[Golfingnut]

I am not sure what exactly the OP watches, nor do I care, but it is pretty obvious that this is a political thread and was from the start.

If we are allowed to bring outrageous statements from any channel on here, please post that because I got a bunch of them.

This is a political thread !!!

Good point. I did not mean this as political at all, but if you see it that way, maybe Gracie is correct that it should be closed. I am the least political person in the villages. I just have problems with a lie no matter whom it comes from.

[Golfingnut]

mean spirited and sarcastic must obviously mean having a difference of opinion or position or anyone who disagrees with anything stated.

Obviously!.

btk

:BigApplause:

You said a mouthful there, but be nice as I don't think he meant it that way.

[Bucco]

Good point. I did not mean this as political at all, but if you see it that way, maybe Gracie is correct that it should be closed. I am the least political person in the villages. I just have problems with a lie no matter whom it comes from.

It should be deleted and you should be penalized for defiance of rules

If you want to discuss a network...fine, but do it in context

If you want to bash someone.....I dont go for it but do it, BUT DO IT IN CONTEXT.

You mention someone by name without giving the full context or discussion....this was a set up using...well, whatever.

Discussion is talking about some issue IN CONTEXT and fully disclosed. You hid behind an agenda of yours concerning the network or a party and allowed folks to think it was a serious discussion of biblical proportion. THAT is quite sad

[Bucco]

Good point. I did not mean this as political at all, but if you see it that way, maybe Gracie is correct that it should be closed. I am the least political person in the villages. I just have problems with a lie no matter whom it comes from.

Would you be ok with a lie from another network and another political persuasion....I think not

However, if you are, and the moderators allow, I got a bunch of them

[Easyrider]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golfingnut View Post
Good point. I did not mean this as political at all, but if you see it that way, maybe Gracie is correct that it should be closed. I am the least political person in the villages. I just have problems with a lie no matter whom it comes from.




Discussion is talking about some issue IN CONTEXT and fully disclosed. You hid behind an agenda of yours concerning the network or a party and allowed folks to think it was a serious discussion of biblical proportion. THAT is quite sad

Very well said...:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[2BNTV]

Lou, you do know how to stir the pot! First, I am fairly confident that Jesus Christ was not blond and blue eyed. I agree with the basic premise of the article, that the image was portrayed as"white" in order to appeal to the largest constituency of Christianity. I can think of a number of "true believers" who would change their beliefs drastically if presented with indisputable evidence that Christ was black.
The article, while interesting, contains one giant error in stating that the color of black people becomes white in three generations and vice versa. If that is the case how do descendants of slaves, here for ten generations or more in some cases, remain black (provided they are not of mixed heritage). Egregious errors like that in what purports to be a scholarly piece destroy the credibility of the author and all the "facts" presented. To me, it is a non issue, but to many it would be huge.

:agree: Thoughtful post on the OP original statements.

Several thoughts:
1. This is the time of the season when people are especially nice to one another. This feeling, should be carried throughout the year. IMHO
2. Most of the trouble in the world has started over religious beliefs. Especially, in the middle east with many wars, starting over religion.
3. Everyone should be have tolerance, for another's point of view.
4. Everyone will believe what they feel in their heart, no matter how many facts are thrown at them.

Fvaorite bible sayings is:

"Let us not grow weary while doing good aswe reap in due season if we do not lose heart".

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a properous New Year for everyone. :smiley:

[Bucco]

:agree: Thoughtful post on the OP original statements.

Several thoughts:
1. This is the time of the season when people are especially nice to one another. This feeling, should be carried throughout the year. IMHO
2. Most of the trouble in the world has started over religious beliefs. Especially, in the middle east with many wars, starting over religion.
3. Everyone should be have tolerance, for another's point of view.
4. Everyone will believe what they feel in their heart, no matter how many facts are thrown at them.

Fvaorite bible sayings is:

"Let us not grow weary while doing good aswe reap in due season if we do not lose heart".

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and a properous New Year for everyone. :smiley:

Nice post, but this was never about the theme of your post.

The OP HID...literally hid behind to make an attack on a network by making everyone believe this was a true discussion. THEN, he said others were mean...what is meaner than hiding your issue, which was political from the beginnins.

If it was not political, a full disclosure would have been made of what he was trying to talk about but that may not have been allowed and he knew it.

Character is not abundant sometimes