Championship courses and the Afternoon wave

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Old 01-23-2021, 09:30 AM
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There is no wave on Saturday or Sunday. Now through end of May, it’s straight tee times on weekends. You can play 9 or 18. Only weekdays have the wave. Before 8, you can play 9. After 1 you can play 9. This applies to weekdays only.
That is so wrong. THERE ARE waves on Saturday and Sunday mornings. YES, you can play nine on the weekends.
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Old 01-23-2021, 09:35 AM
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In the Course Etiquette section of The Rules Of Golf:

"In the "Pace of Play" section: "It is a group's responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group."

"In the "Priority on the Course" section: "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round. The term 'group' includes a single player."

TV courses are USGA approved courses, so why are they not following USGA guidelines ? I have never seen a rule by the TV Golf Committee that supersedes this.
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In the Course Etiquette section of The Rules Of Golf:

"In the "Pace of Play" section: "It is a group's responsibility to keep up with the group in front. If it loses a clear hole and it is delaying the group behind, it should invite the group behind to play through, irrespective of the number of players in that group."

"In the "Priority on the Course" section: "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the course is determined by a group's pace of play. Any group playing a whole round is entitled to pass a group playing a shorter round. The term 'group' includes a single player."

TV courses are USGA approved courses, so why are they not following USGA guidelines ? I have never seen a rule by the TV Golf Committee that supersedes this.
"In the "Priority on the Course" section: "Unless otherwise determined by the Committee, priority on the course is determined by a group's pace of play."

The Starters and Ambassadors are "the Committee"

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/ho...y%20day%20play.
1A- General Play


"During general play, the structure of the Committee is often more informal than in competitions, and in many cases the responsibilities of the Committee will be delegated to or undertaken by one or more course representatives, such as the golf professional, course manager or other employee of the course. "

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I often get the 1st or second tee times for the afternoon wave, I find that after completing the first nine which often goes very quickly, The courses often fill in 2 to 3 foursomes in between the waves, from then on I find that the fill-ins play very slowly and it make the continuity of play very disruptive. we would normally finish around 4:00 pm and now we are lucky to finish near 5:00 pm.

This practice of adding in a couple of foursomes into the wave is very disruptive to the players trying to complete their rounds, stop closing off a course in the PM and put 9 hole players on that course
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Could they have the wave system in the morning so they can cram as many golfers in as possible and in the afternoon go to straight 18 and one course for 9 hole only
That does nothing to solve the problem of no t times between 9:30 and noon.
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Old 01-23-2021, 10:52 AM
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I play off campus from Jan-March every year and the waves are part of the reason. I spoke with 2 of the Golf Course managers about the wait at the turn with the same results. "You play too fast", in reality they schedule the T-times to maximize the income with no gap in time allowed between the end of a wave and the golfers making the turn. Instead of planning for the first group of the day to play in 2 1/2 hours plan for 1 3/4 hours leaving a open period for "Fast Golfers" or as previously suggested designate one of the 3 nines to accept the people making the turn.
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I play off campus from Jan-March every year and the waves are part of the reason. I spoke with 2 of the Golf Course managers about the wait at the turn with the same results. "You play too fast", in reality they schedule the T-times to maximize the income with no gap in time allowed between the end of a wave and the golfers making the turn. Instead of planning for the first group of the day to play in 2 1/2 hours plan for 1 3/4 hours leaving a open period for "Fast Golfers" or as previously suggested designate one of the 3 nines to accept the people making the turn.
The "plan" is for the first groups to play in 2 hrs 8 min, NOT 2 1/2 hrs. (7:28 first tee time, 9:28 last). If you play faster, you WILL hit the wave. They do this to maximize tee times, especially in high season (and profit as well). Separate carts have added to the faster times as well. If you're first out just be aware that arrival at the back 9 quicker than 2:08 will probably result in a short wait. IMHO, that's better than getting stuck behind a group that takes 2:40 to play the front nine. (I'd rather wait 15 minutes at the turn than wait on EVERY shot all 18 holes)
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That’s true to explain the delays in the current system. Points to a flaw in the system though imho...there’s no such thing as playing too fast!!
When you have 27 holes, an efficient tee time system will fill 9 holes at a time, within all 3 nines crossing over to another nine. If you finish the first nine under the alotted time (2:08 hours), you will have to wait for the remaining tee times to go before you start the back nine.
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When you have 27 holes, an efficient tee time system will fill 9 holes at a time, within all 3 nines crossing over to another nine. If you finish the first nine under the alotted time (2:08 hours), you will have to wait for the remaining tee times to go before you start the back nine.
I fully understand the system. And I really don’t have a major problem with it, especially at a 27 hole club. Doesn’t change the fact however that it can punish fast play. That part I’m not crazy about.
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That is so wrong. THERE ARE waves on Saturday and Sunday mornings. YES, you can play nine on the weekends.
Oops, you are correct. I was thinking summer play
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I fully understand the system. And I really don’t have a major problem with it, especially at a 27 hole club. Doesn’t change the fact however that it can punish fast play. That part I’m not crazy about.
To allow for fast play, the number of tee times would be reduced. Is that not punishing others?
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To allow for fast play, the number of tee times would be reduced. Is that not punishing others?
I’m not arguing for reduction in the number of tee times. That is exactly the problem with the wave system.

No wave system equals no delay in crossing over...and no need to reduce tee times.
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I’m not arguing for reduction in the number of tee times. That is exactly the problem with the wave system.

No wave system equals no delay in crossing over...and no need to reduce tee times.
And no wave means t times would be available between the desirable time slot of 9:30 and noon. On a typical day, many t times go unfilled between the first available in the morning and around 8:30.
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And no wave means t times would be available between the desirable time slot of 9:30 and noon. On a typical day, many t times go unfilled between the first available in the morning and around 8:30.
In either case, wouldn't those early tee times go unfilled anyway????
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There is no wave on Saturday or Sunday. Now through end of May, it’s straight tee times on weekends. You can play 9 or 18. Only weekdays have the wave. Before 8, you can play 9. After 1 you can play 9. This applies to weekdays only.
Sorry, you are not correct, the 27 hole course have the wave 7 days a week. You are correct you can play 9 any time on the weekends
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