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Old 06-11-2017, 04:03 AM
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I absolutely agree with what the pro at Cane Garden did.

Now I have an opportunity to visit this pro and set a tee time for four of my family members and me to play a round. Was concerned that we would have had to split to a twosome and a threesome. Boy The Villages surely is the friendliest town in Florida.

The Cane Garden's pro move smacked of elitism/aka entitlement.

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Old 06-11-2017, 06:22 AM
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Played at Cane Garden on Thursday we made the turn and the last tee time 9:28 of the morning wave was teeing off, five women. The ambassador informed us that they were the guest of the pro. I was always told that foursomes were the max. The tee time office was called and asked the question and was referred to the pro Dave Williams. He made it clear it is within his purview to have a fivesome. I think this a bad policy and sets up many problems for the clubs and their employees.
Did they keep up with the pace of play?If so,no issue.If not I would want a rain check for 9 holes.
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whats the big hurry anyway....

Hubby and I just love to sit in the cart, back far enough as not to be a bother, and critique their playing abilities.

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whats the big hurry anyway...
Wanting to maintain a decent pace of play is not the same as being in a hurry.
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Played at Cane Garden on Thursday we made the turn and the last tee time 9:28 of the morning wave was teeing off, five women. The ambassador informed us that they were the guest of the pro. I was always told that foursomes were the max. The tee time office was called and asked the question and was referred to the pro Dave Williams. He made it clear it is within his purview to have a fivesome. I think this a bad policy and sets up many problems for the clubs and their employees.
If they're the last group of the morning wave the other option would be to have them play as a threesome and a twosome. It might have been that three people didn't show up for one group and rather have one person miss out on her day of golf he allowed the fivesome.

It's certainly not going to be any slower than a three and a two, and as long as it's not common practice, I would say that it's a good thing to do whatever can be done to accommodate a player as long as it doesn't interfere with other players.
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...It's certainly not going to be any slower than a three and a two...
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Played at Cane Garden on Thursday we made the turn and the last tee time 9:28 of the morning wave was teeing off, five women. The ambassador informed us that they were the guest of the pro. I was always told that foursomes were the max. The tee time office was called and asked the question and was referred to the pro Dave Williams. He made it clear it is within his purview to have a fivesome. I think this a bad policy and sets up many problems for the clubs and their employees.
Did you ever read The Villages "Good Golf Guide?" (The Rules.)

On the same page where it says, "A maximum of four golfers per group are allowed" (Yep, that's right Grammar Police, it should say "is allowed") is an additional paragraph.

It says, "Note: In some cases the golf staff is extended some liberty in using good judgment on how these policies are applied. As long as the deviation from policy does not circumvent the intention behind the guideline and does not inconvenience other golfers, golf and country club team members are encouraged to demonstrate Raving Fan service. Failure to follow these guidelines, or those given by golf course staff, especially discourteous behavior, may result in unpleasant consequences for all involved."

Now, arguably, a person may not like the escape clause. But the fact is that the people who made the rules created an escape clause for themselves.

Their course.............their rules.
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Did you ever read The Villages "Good Golf Guide?" (The Rules.)

On the same page where it says, "A maximum of four golfers per group are allowed" (Yep, that's right Grammar Police, it should say "is allowed") is an additional paragraph.

It says, "Note: In some cases the golf staff is extended some liberty in using good judgment on how these policies are applied. As long as the deviation from policy does not circumvent the intention behind the guideline and does not inconvenience other golfers, golf and country club team members are encouraged to demonstrate Raving Fan service. Failure to follow these guidelines, or those given by golf course staff, especially discourteous behavior, may result in unpleasant consequences for all involved."

Now, arguably, a person may not like the escape clause. But the fact is that the people who made the rules created an escape clause for themselves.

Their course.............their rules.
Usually those kids of "escape clauses" as you call them are there to give the golf professional a little leeway to use his discretion when it makes sense. Situations often come up where it makes sense to bend a rule. Rainy day, no one on the course and two foursomes are schedule and only five people show up.

There are several other scenarios where it might make sense to allow a fivesome. That's why the golf professional is given that discretion.

The other side of the coin is that he has to answer to his boss and if he makes a bad call and people complain he's going to hear about it. If he makes enough bad calls, he might be looking for a new job.
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...On the same page where it says, "A maximum of four golfers per group are allowed" (Yep, that's right Grammar Police, it should say "is allowed")...
Not that you're acting as the Grammar Police or anything, right?!?
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Could have been said "four golfers maximum are allowed"
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Not sure about golf rule language but the word " shall" means every thing in contract language.
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Let's get real. You have NO IDEA who these 5 women were or WHY the pro let them out as a fivesome. Not LPGA pros? Probably not. U of F women's golf team???? H Gary Morse's grandchildren??/ Third generation Andrews sisters???? YOU simply have no idea. Does this pro frequently let out fivesomes??? YOU have no idea. Was he told by someone higher on the food chain to let them out. YOU have no idea.

Did they keep pace on the course, or were they 3 holes behind???? Did they hit the ball better than most male Villagers or were they just hacking around??? Since it seems to bother you, did you complain directly to the pro or the club manager at the time?????

Without the FACTS, all you are doing is extrapolating a "no fivesome" rule to all circumstances, and even ASSUMING the pro doesn't have the authority to use his discretion

Sorry to be so harsh, but I love golf as you apparently do, and to my mind the pro is the captain of the club ship. So I think his "orders" are to be obeyed, until such time as his pattern of actions lead to a "courts-martial"
Total nonsense! What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Twice in the past 2 weeks my group was five players. We were forced to play as a group of 3 and a group of 2. Each day play was very slow and we were constantly waiting on tees (all 5 of us) together. Each time we requested that we be allowed to join up and play as a group of five. In both cases Ambassadors told us "absolutely not, I'd get fired for allowing that". On the second such occasion, an Asst. Mgr. rode out to our location on the course to insist no one can play in a group of five in TV. Not even when good judgement and common sense dictates it might be a reasonable option. Given these circumstances, no one, golf pro or not should be able to violate this kind of standing rule. Not even for Lady Pros, Men Pros, College golfers or the Morse family. Wrong is wrong and making excuses is worse.
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Total nonsense! What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Twice in the past 2 weeks my group was five players. We were forced to play as a group of 3 and a group of 2. Each day play was very slow and we were constantly waiting on tees (all 5 of us) together. Each time we requested that we be allowed to join up and play as a group of five. In both cases Ambassadors told us "absolutely not, I'd get fired for allowing that". On the second such occasion, an Asst. Mgr. rode out to our location on the course to insist no one can play in a group of five in TV. Not even when good judgement and common sense dictates it might be a reasonable option. Given these circumstances, no one, golf pro or not should be able to violate this kind of standing rule. Not even for Lady Pros, Men Pros, College golfers or the Morse family. Wrong is wrong and making excuses is worse.
So, in other words, you are upset because the facility manager used his judgement to allow SOME OTHER GROUP, on some course at some time, to play as a fivesome, but YOU were not allowed to play as 5. The ambassador has no authority to allow a fivesome, so you got the expected response. Again, YOU have no idea of the circumstances of this other fivesome, and as the rules state, the manager has discretion in these matters. Fivesomes are a rare exception to play in TV, and YOU did not get this rare exception. BAAAWAAAH. Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?

Or, put another way----"Gee, officer, yes I was going 65 in a 45 zone, but so were a lot of other drivers, so you have to let me get away with it also" Rotsa ruck.
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Total nonsense! What's good for the goose should be good for the gander. Twice in the past 2 weeks my group was five players. We were forced to play as a group of 3 and a group of 2. Each day play was very slow and we were constantly waiting on tees (all 5 of us) together. Each time we requested that we be allowed to join up and play as a group of five. In both cases Ambassadors told us "absolutely not, I'd get fired for allowing that". On the second such occasion, an Asst. Mgr. rode out to our location on the course to insist no one can play in a group of five in TV. Not even when good judgement and common sense dictates it might be a reasonable option. Given these circumstances, no one, golf pro or not should be able to violate this kind of standing rule. Not even for Lady Pros, Men Pros, College golfers or the Morse family. Wrong is wrong and making excuses is worse.

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