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daniel200 03-01-2022 06:29 PM

I had similar indexing issues a couple of years ago on Windows 10. I resolved it by turning “off” indexing in Windows. Indexing is not helpful for most people … My file access time is still lightning fast. But I am not trying to synch across multiple machines or the cloud. So your experience may vary. But it is easy to turn on/off.

I have used Windows & Microsoft products since Dos 1.0. But I rarely use my 2018 Dell Optiplex any more …. Because I know when I turn it on that I will be forced/coerced by Microsoft to install all the recent updates (and reboot 3 or 4 times in the process) before I can complete the small task I wanted to do on my Dell

I agree with others, use OpenOffice in place of MS OFFICE. Its smaller, lighter, faster and compatible.

As for Linux, there is lots you can do with it … and lots you can’t if you are expecting to do everything that Windows huge app base is capable of.

I now use my ipad for 90% of my computing/data/music needs. And use the Dell for the remaining 10% (because its not possible on the ipad)

Graspher 03-01-2022 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by M2inOR (Post 2066647)
Long career working with Apple and Microsoft, primarily storage, server, and graphic products. I'm a serious user of both.

In this case, first time access of a lot of files, the indices simply needed to be rebuilt, especially if storage was on an older operating system.

Even more time if connected to the cloud, and files and folders needed to be synchronized.

I use Amazon, Microsoft, Google, and Amazon cloud services, in addition to local direct connect hard drives, and local home server.

Until everything gets synced, there can and will be delays. Same happens when iPad, Samsung tablet, and both Apple and Android smartphones are connected for the first time.

As for which platforms are "better", that's a tough one to answer. Each has plusses and minuses, and is highly dependent of what you are doing.

Storage products I've been responsible for sit on the shelves in Apple Stores worldwide, as well as other major retailers online and at brick and mortar locations.

I will say one thing, though: the state of software development for apps and the operating systems is worrisome. Between security and bugs, things could be better. Some new problems are simply new features that confound all of us at times.

Good luck to all!

PS remember to backup! Have at least two copies of everything. I have backups local as well as in the cloud.


That was helpful - thanks.

Graspher 03-01-2022 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by midiwiz (Post 2066636)
files on a drive require an index otherwise when the heads read the disc they read it 'in order' indexing gives a better "fast disk" impression however is merely a bandaid of future things to come. Opticals aren't fast like SSD, they are slow. Indexing will mask over what you have in your video, because it's caching an index for current use.


Hopefully my shallow usage depth of the system will allow me to feel like its processing at the speed of light....

Graspher 03-01-2022 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dshoberg (Post 2066657)
I just bought a new high end tower and for the first few days whenever I wanted to look at my photos, the icon images had loaded and then updated very similar to your experience with music files. It then did not do it after the first few days and is fine now. I suspected it was the sharing and migration across my other devices, OneDrive cloud files, etc….

That could be - glad ur problem was short lived. So was mine.

Graspher 03-01-2022 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Joanne19335 (Post 2066674)
Although I consider myself sort of a geek, I did not upgrade to Windows 11 for the same reason—a different desktop. I have yet to see a complete tutorial outlining the major differences between Windows 10 and Windows 11. It took awhile for me to move to Windows 10 and learn all of its quirks. Now that I have done so, I will wait until all of the “bugs” are fixed before I do. If you bought the computer already loaded with the new operating system, I would contact the seller or buy a cheap tutorial explaining the major differences between the two. In fact, there should be some kind of tutorial already loaded on your new computer. If you can afford to do so, I recommend that you buy an iMac. It works just like an iPhone. It’s quite a change from a PC, but Apple is far superior to Microsoft.

I moved from an 7 yo lenovo thinkpad with windows 8 to my current. I just jumped in and continue to hope for the best. I just don't use a system enough to justify the imac buy in plus I have other learning curves that I need to master...

Graspher 03-01-2022 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 2066790)
Having worked on computers before Bill Gates was born, I've worked on MANY different operating systems. My first PC ran DOS, then, reluctantly, I went to Windows (3.1). When we moved here we had rental property, so we used Quicken (so had to keep Windows 7). A few years back I discovered LINUX, tried it and liked it. When we sold the rental property I converted my 10 year old Dell to LINUX MINT and never looked back. It runs faster than it ever did on Windows. I've converted about a dozen people here in The Villages to LINUX and, so far, they haven't asked to go back to Windows.

Interesting....

Graspher 03-01-2022 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2066844)
Have had dell for years, i have two right now, what model did you buy?

The description could be different models. . .

XPS 8950 with most of the innards beefed up. Ordered early dec but delays resulted in a delivery 2 weeks ago.

Graspher 03-01-2022 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2066899)
Ditch Microsoft Office and switch to LibreOffice. It's open source from the folks who brought the world Sun Microsystems and Oracle. It's compatible with MS Office, more robust, fewer bugs, with tons more functionality. They have another software suite called OpenOffice that's similar, with less functionality than LibreOffice (so it's about the same as MS Office).

Thanks OBB for that - will investigate.

CoachKandSportsguy 03-01-2022 10:20 PM

XPS 8950 - this is how I would configure your tower:

12th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-12900K (30MB cache, 16 cores, 24 threads, 3.20 to 5.20 GHz Turbo)
laptop
Windows 11 Pro, English
videocard
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3080, 10 GB GDDR6X, LHR
memory
64 GB, 2 x 32 GB, DDR5, 4400 MHz; up to 128 GB (add'l mem sold separately)
harddrive
1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (Boot) + 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)
fallbackcolor
750W Platinum Silver Bezel Chassis including optical drive
Liquid cooling

$3,512.99

This is comparable to my laptop 6 years years ago, for a lesser price. My laptop was $4,000 +/- for the equivalent cutting edge back then. Should easily last you 5+ years, which all high end computers should last these days.

BTW, i picked the liquid cooling which keeps the CPU much cooler. However, the liquid can evaporate in 3-4 years, so I had to replace that in the home built tower. however, I have used high end laptops for 15 years, and much prefer taking it with me whenever I want, versus a tower. .

good luck

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-02-2022 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Graspher (Post 2067232)
Thanks OBB for that - will investigate.

One of the nice things about switching from MS Office to Open (or Libre) Office is they share many of the same conventions. I'm a keyboarder rather than a mouse user. I have a mouse, and use it of course. But I was trained on a computer keyboard before mouses were available so that's my strength.

Copy and paste: Highlight, ctrl-v, ctrl-c
Print: ctrl-p, enter
Save: ctrl-s
Bold: highlight, ctrl-b
Clicking "alt" brings down menus.

All of those keyboard commands work the exact same from MS to OO/LO.

Graspher 03-03-2022 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2067246)
XPS 8950 - this is how I would configure your tower:

12th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-12900K (30MB cache, 16 cores, 24 threads, 3.20 to 5.20 GHz Turbo)
laptop
Windows 11 Pro, English
videocard
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 3080, 10 GB GDDR6X, LHR
memory
64 GB, 2 x 32 GB, DDR5, 4400 MHz; up to 128 GB (add'l mem sold separately)
harddrive
1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (Boot) + 1TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s (Storage)
fallbackcolor
750W Platinum Silver Bezel Chassis including optical drive
Liquid cooling

$3,512.99

This is comparable to my laptop 6 years years ago, for a lesser price. My laptop was $4,000 +/- for the equivalent cutting edge back then. Should easily last you 5+ years, which all high end computers should last these days.

BTW, i picked the liquid cooling which keeps the CPU much cooler. However, the liquid can evaporate in 3-4 years, so I had to replace that in the home built tower. however, I have used high end laptops for 15 years, and much prefer taking it with me whenever I want, versus a tower. .

good luck

That's close to what I ended up with....

i7-12700k
64 ram
1tb SSD & 1TB sata
geforce 3060 8gb
I did go with liquid cooled - so I'll be refreshing the antifreeze once a year

Graspher 03-03-2022 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2067380)
One of the nice things about switching from MS Office to Open (or Libre) Office is they share many of the same conventions. I'm a keyboarder rather than a mouse user. I have a mouse, and use it of course. But I was trained on a computer keyboard before mouses were available so that's my strength.

Copy and paste: Highlight, ctrl-v, ctrl-c
Print: ctrl-p, enter
Save: ctrl-s
Bold: highlight, ctrl-b
Clicking "alt" brings down menus.

All of those keyboard commands work the exact same from MS to OO/LO.

I can definitely see the positives...will explore. I appreciate the insights!

nn0wheremann 03-03-2022 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Graspher (Post 2066298)
NOT FIXED - still looking for any suggestions...

You click on the folder.
Computer looks at folder, reads content, indexes all files, then displays the indexed list for your selection.
All that takes time.
Probably large files, and a large number of them. Leave the folder active, and the next time you display it, it likely will work much quicker.

Make sure your BIOS, and your hardware drivers are up to date. Write down the express service service code and service tag numbers, go to Dell’s website, select support, enter the numbers, follow the prompts, download the recommended files, and execute.

Graspher 03-04-2022 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2067716)
You click on the folder.
Computer looks at folder, reads content, indexes all files, then displays the indexed list for your selection.
All that takes time.
Probably large files, and a large number of them. Leave the folder active, and the next time you display it, it likely will work much quicker.

Make sure your BIOS, and your hardware drivers are up to date. Write down the express service service code and service tag numbers, go to Dell’s website, select support, enter the numbers, follow the prompts, download the recommended files, and execute.

I will do that - much appreciated!

kp11364 03-05-2022 06:06 PM

My first computer program was in 1979 with APL (who remembers THAT language?) with a timesharing service and Anderson-Jacobsen acoustic couplers to connect... :D

coralway 03-05-2022 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Graspher (Post 2066256)
:pray:

Dell - Windows 11 - 1TB optical - 64 ram - i7 12700K

I don't even know how to explain the issue - short vid of problem linked below.

Basically, when I click on a folder (music in this case) the list of songs appear....and then they one by one disappear until all are gone then they reappear and are able to be clicked on. This takes about 20 seconds for 30 files - should only take a split second!!!

Imagine my shock and horror given this unit is only days old (meaning I haven't loaded the drive with slow down garbage yet) and probably the fastest processor in the world (that's what I told the wife to justify the purchase - please don't bust my bubble).

Yes, I do have free dell help but I'm trying to avoid the long phone time. Plus deep down I know it has to be something simple. Head hung in shame, computers are not part of my wheelhouse.

What tweak to do I need to make or did I just goof really bad and should of bagged a Lenovo?

Dropbox - IMG_1036.MOV - Simplify your life

:bigbow:





No disrespect to you, but I never click on any links posted on this page - having said that, is your music on iTunes? If so, just add your Apple account and pin the icon to your desktop. Whenever you wanna play your music, just click on the apple icon.

I am using Windows 10, and have no intention of ever moving to 11.

Graspher 03-06-2022 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2068784)
No disrespect to you, but I never click on any links posted on this page - having said that, is your music on iTunes? If so, just add your Apple account and pin the icon to your desktop. Whenever you wanna play your music, just click on the apple icon.

I am using Windows 10, and have no intention of ever moving to 11.

Understand completely. I never click either...until two conditions are met. If an established/known to me member originated the link - my guard goes down 50%. If others in the thread have referenced the link - with no warning of contamination - my guard turns off and link turns on.

It was on itunes. But long story short - I lost my established itunes library information, links, ratings, playlists, etc but of course not the songs themselves. That happened on my windows 8 laptop in november.

I moved to a windows 11 desktop a couple of weeks ago. Am about to rebuild - from scratch - my itunes library.

I rarely ever listen to music in my office off the computer - 99% via iphone.

I'm not a fan of itunes. Folks here have suggested alternatives to itunes - and I researched alternatives....but was unable to find a management program that organized/integrated with iphone as well as iTunes does. So, I'm going back to itunes.

I don't stream music. I obtain my own music files and build lists with those.

I haven't synced my iphone since last november cause my playlists remained on the phone and I didn't want to take a chance of losing that cache of music during a sync session....cause, like so many of us - I need my music to get me through the day!!!!

retiredguy123 03-06-2022 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by coralway (Post 2068784)
No disrespect to you, but I never click on any links posted on this page - having said that, is your music on iTunes? If so, just add your Apple account and pin the icon to your desktop. Whenever you wanna play your music, just click on the apple icon.

I am using Windows 10, and have no intention of ever moving to 11.

If your Windows 10 computer is eligible for a Windows 11 upgrade, I would recommend doing it. I have been using it for 5 months on my desktop and laptop and have had no issues. You can use widgets and install apps from the Amazon store. I think it also allows better interface with your cell phone, if you want to do that. The desktop looks and works almost exactly like Windows 10.


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