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Bill14564 02-28-2025 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Arlington2 (Post 2412549)
And even 2FA is insufficient for a number of widely used email accounts. Now passcode is recommended in addition to 2FA for gmail, yahoo, etc. The hacking community is way out in front of the rest of us.

I believe you mean a passkey (there's a difference).

Passkeys currently have some shortcomings in that they don't work across all devices or accounts and they are difficult to use without your specific device (though 2FA has the same limitation). Passkeys are a good idea but until they are a bit more universal I will stick with a password manager.

ElDiabloJoe 02-28-2025 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2412461)
Everything is in the cloud these days, 20 years ago I was nervous about the cloud, haven’t been nervous for over 15 years now. How else are all of your devices kept in sync? When you have computers, phones, watches all accessing the same sites, you need a good way to sync all devices and a good password manager. Apple has had this functionality built in for over a decade. Plus now with facial recognition.

But what’s just as important is to turn on 2 phase authentication, and use a password that contains uppercase letters, special characters, numbers and is over 15 chars long. It will take a hundred years to crack it!

If you are Using windows, just put your info on the web because it’s too easy to hack into. Linux and Apple are much harder to hack into.

I agree with all of the above. For non-important things, like web forums, I use whatever password(s) I like. For important things, like an investment account, I let the 1Password randomly select a 25+ random character password. I do NOT put that on the computer, and instead hide it written down and tell my spouse and another trusted family member of its location. That other trusted family member also has copy of the password written down and in a sealed envelope they keep at their house (just in case mine burns down). Secure redundancy that is non-digital for the important things.

Acordionist 02-28-2025 11:41 AM

Password Manager
 
LastPass, I have used it for many years.

Michael G. 02-28-2025 11:48 AM

It just seems to be the unknown out there for using any pass manager
that changes more offend then we change our shorts.

Ex: The one site of AI.
How much do we really know about it's presents and future?

Velvet 02-28-2025 12:20 PM

Life’s too short. It’s a gamble. Best one can do is reduce the probabilities. Then go out and play golf… or whatever you like to do.

bp243 02-28-2025 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 2412405)
I've been using LastPass for years. I know there was some press about a breach, but it never affected anyone.

Unfortunately, a friend who used Last Pass lost her entire bitcoin investment which was supposed to be 100% safe. Last Pass has been breached at least twice.

Altavia 02-28-2025 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2412538)
Not hacked by AI at all.

According to reporting, he downloaded an AI tool that happened to include malware. The malware stole information from his machine including his keystrokes as he typed his 1Password login and password. Once they had the 1Password login information they had all his other logins and passwords too.

Two quick takeaways: Be careful about what software you download and make use of 2FA.

Very sad story indeed, the malware provided the same access as of sitting at the computer. Several lessons to be learned.

Hackers stole this engineer's 1Password database. Could it happen to you? | ZDNET


"The WSJ article discusses 1Password at length, pointing out that the victim was using the password manager to store 2-factor authentication keys for many sites, and that he hadn't turned on 2-factor authentication for 1Password itself.

...


In this case, it's hard to assign any fault to the password manager. Bad guys had unrestricted access to his computer for five months!

The keyboard logger was capable of stealing every set of credentials he used during that time, even if the usernames and passwords were typed in manually. "

bp243 02-28-2025 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2412390)
Thinking about getting one so following

1Password is my password manager of choice and is often rated as #1. To my knowledge it's never been breached and is a dream to use if you access lots of websites. The backup team is very helpful should you have an issue, although all communication is done via email with their team.

Arlington2 02-28-2025 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2412554)
I believe you mean a passkey (there's a difference).

Passkeys currently have some shortcomings in that they don't work across all devices or accounts and they are difficult to use without your specific device (though 2FA has the same limitation). Passkeys are a good idea but until they are a bit more universal I will stick with a password manager.

I guess I misspoke, it is passkey. I'm not an IT guru. Nevertheless, security experts are recommending using passkeys to counter the Astaroth Phishing Kit which is designed to bypass traditional 2FA in gmail, etc. as reported in Infosecurity Magazine and cybersecsentinel as well as other news outlets. The Astaroth kit is available on the dark web for $2K. Passkeys work on my PC and iPhone and I choose to use them. Of course the first line of defense is don't click on unknown links, but studies have shown user negligence is prevalent.

Pamela1130 02-28-2025 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2412386)
Who uses them and which one do you use.
Do you feel their safe?

My DIL who worked at FB for ten years and now TikTok says everyone uses Last Pass. So I got it. It's cheap enough $36.00 year but you have to learn how to use it and there are You Tube Videos. But our computers also give us automatic generated passwords if you have a MAC.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-28-2025 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2412513)
Do you carry the thumb drive with you so that when you are sitting at the square and try to login to a site you have your passwords? Which slot do you use to insert the thumb drive in your phone?

When you need to change your password the password manager inserts your old password - that's what a password manager does. When you are asked for a new password, most of the password managers will offer to generate one for you. When you hit the submit button the password manager will ask if you want to update your stored password.

I don't use my phone to access websites. I have some shopping apps, and the passwords are encrypted and saved, and the phone doesn't display anything without my fingerprint or face to unlock it first. I also sometimes use my kindle app to read on my phone if I'm out to lunch by myself.

I don't have banking apps on my phone, and my "wallet" is also encrypted and requires biometrics to use.

The thumb drive goes with me when I take my laptop to my dad's house. If I'm taking my tablet instead I port just a dozen lines of data to a temporary spreadsheet on a micro SD card and take that - and then I delete it when I get home.

Ramblnman 02-28-2025 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2412411)
I do not trust anything that is online (aka cloud) storage, and I do not like local storage on my PC, so I have my own secret way of storing passwords which I will not give out on an open forum. There are ways to keep your passwords safe I have over 100 currently.

I completely agree and have my own method of managing passwords as well

bp243 03-01-2025 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2412510)
I keep all my passwords on a spreadsheet on a thumb drive. There are several apps and accounts that require me to change the password every 90 days. I don't know how these password managers handle that. If you get one that says you have to change it, it requires that you manually enter the current password. If you don't know what it is - you're outta luck.

1Password is named that because you have ONE Password to get into your master listing where you can change anything or occasionally copy and paste a password.

RoseyRed 03-01-2025 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cuervo (Post 2412456)
This issue has been addressed before in a different manner and as a previous poster stated I also do not trust putting anything on the internet no matter how secure they claim to be. If the manager site is hacked, they will have access to all your information. What I don't understand is why you just don't keep all your passwords in an address book that you only have access to.

The last time I suggested that someone said what if someone breaks into your house and finds the book. If that is your worry put it in a place where no one will look. But let be realistic if someone breaks into your house, they're not going to waste their time looking for a book they don't even know exists. They're going for cash and jewelry.

If you don't think a hackers can't break into a password manager, a hacker from North Korea just got away with over a billion in bite coin.

Very good point! I have been in IT for yrs and see more and more how online products are advertised as the best thing since sliced bread and the employees within the companies see all the failure points (areas for improvement). There are pros and cons to both electronic/physical methods of PW storage. The difficult part is there are NO guarantees, so that leaves the question of what has the least amount of risk? Which method does one feel the most comfortable?

ElDiabloJoe 03-01-2025 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramblnman (Post 2412639)
I completely agree and have my own method of managing passwords as well

I assume you mean something far more robust than writing them down on a sheet of paper and putting it under the keyboard or in an adjacent drawer.

RoseyRed 03-01-2025 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jimkerr (Post 2412477)
This is terrible advice. I’ve been in the IT industry for many years. Last pass used to be a password manager I used until their security breaches.


I assume you’re referring to the "LastPass security breach." LastPass, a widely used password manager, experienced significant security incidents, with the most notable and impactful occurring in 2022. Because of this, I don’t trust him anymore. Here are the details.

The LastPass security breach unfolded in multiple stages throughout 2022, with the company disclosing critical updates over several months. It began in August 2022 when LastPass announced that an unauthorized party had accessed portions of its development environment, stealing source code and proprietary technical information. At the time, the company assured users that no customer data or encrypted password vaults were compromised, and the breach was contained within the development environment, which was separate from production systems holding sensitive user data.

However, the situation escalated in November 2022 when LastPass revealed a second related incident. Using information stolen in the August breach, the attacker gained access to a third-party cloud storage service that LastPass used to store backups of customer data. By December 22, 2022, the company confirmed that this breach was far more severe than initially suggested. The attacker had copied a backup of customer vault data, which included both unencrypted data—such as website URLs—and encrypted sensitive fields, like usernames, passwords, secure notes, and form-filled data. Additionally, basic account information such as names, email addresses, billing addresses, phone numbers, and IP addresses was stolen. The encrypted data was protected by 256-bit AES encryption and could only be decrypted with each user’s unique master password, which LastPass does not store or have access to due to its zero-knowledge architecture.

Further details emerged in March 2023, when LastPass provided a comprehensive update. The attacker had targeted a senior DevOps engineer’s home computer, exploiting a vulnerability in third-party media software (suspected to be Plex) to install keylogger malware. This allowed the attacker to capture the engineer’s master password after they authenticated with multi-factor authentication (MFA), granting access to the engineer’s corporate LastPass vault. From there, the attacker obtained decryption keys for the cloud storage backups, enabling them to access and exfiltrate the sensitive customer data. This incident highlighted a sophisticated, multi-step attack that leveraged both the initial breach and social engineering tactics.

The fallout from this breach has been significant and ongoing. While LastPass maintained that users with strong, unique master passwords adhering to its defaults (at least 12 characters and 100,100 iterations of PBKDF2 hashing) were secure—claiming it would take millions of years to crack such passwords with current technology—experts raised concerns. If users had weak or reused master passwords, especially from prior breaches available on the dark web, their vaults could be vulnerable to brute-force attacks. This led to widespread recommendations for users to change all passwords stored in LastPass and consider switching to alternative password managers like 1Password or Bitwarden, which have not reported similar breaches.

The breach’s impact extended beyond immediate data loss. In late 2024, reports surfaced linking the stolen LastPass data to cryptocurrency thefts. Blockchain investigators, such as ZachXBT, claimed that hackers using the 2022 breach data stole millions in crypto assets, with over $5 million reportedly taken in December 2024 alone and a total exceeding $12 million across multiple incidents. These attacks targeted users who had stored crypto seed phrases or keys in their LastPass vaults, exploiting the encrypted data once decrypted with compromised master passwords.

LastPass responded by enhancing security measures, including rebuilding its development environment, rotating credentials, and enforcing stricter master password requirements (e.g., a 12-character minimum for all users by January 2024). The company also spun off from its parent company, GoTo, in 2024, aiming to rebuild trust under new leadership. However, its handling of the breach—marked by delayed and piecemeal disclosures—drew criticism from users and security experts, damaging its reputation. Many questioned the company’s transparency and its ability to protect sensitive data, especially given prior incidents in 2011, 2015, and earlier in 2022.

In summary, the LastPass security breach of 2022 was a complex, multi-phase attack that compromised user data through a combination of stolen source code, cloud storage access, and a targeted keylogger attack on an employee. While encrypted data remained secure for users with strong master passwords, the breach exposed vulnerabilities in LastPass’s infrastructure and response strategy, leading to long-term consequences like crypto thefts and a loss of user trust. If you’re a LastPass user, it’s wise to ensure your master password is robust, rotate sensitive credentials, and monitor for any suspicious activity.

This brings to light the need for multiple layers of security! Not just a PW mgr, but 2FA, credit freeze, virus protection, and constant PW changes along with many others to make it not worth it to the hacker for the timed needed to get through to your valuable data! It's not IF your hacked ... It's WHEN!!!

RoseyRed 03-01-2025 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by TheWatcher (Post 2412500)
2-factor verification or FIDO passkey is the answer here for your high security sites like your finances. Enable 2-factor verification in google, too.

Use different email account and computer for finances/high security.

Use of password manager is personnal preference, use answers given prior to help choose one and use their password generator to get secure random passwords.

Nothing is totally secure. But you can be sufficiently safe for now if you are careful. Just do not make obvious security mistakes.

I have heard it suggested to use an entirely different computer (Chromebook due to being harder to hack) and email address.

GoldenBoy 03-01-2025 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RoseyRed (Post 2412786)
This brings to light the need for multiple layers of security! Not just a PW mgr, but 2FA, credit freeze, virus protection, and constant PW changes along with many others to make it not worth it to the hacker for the timed needed to get through to your valuable data! It's not IF your hacked ... It's WHEN!!!

Govt databases have become suspect with the activity of the hoard buzzing around CMS, IRS, and VA looking for savings. I suspect all of this activity has made our data less than secure and individuals can do nothing to protect themselves as long as there is virtually no accountability for data security.

Sportster 03-01-2025 03:56 PM

I use KeyPassXC (not KeyPass). Decent user interface, very easy to use, local file storage, no ads or account required and best of all opensource so its free. You have control of the encrypted password file and a copy can be kept offsite like where you keep backups, or with a family member (heirs). More than just passwords can be saved too (account numbers, critical info etc.).

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-01-2025 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bp243 (Post 2412740)
1Password is named that because you have ONE Password to get into your master listing where you can change anything or occasionally copy and paste a password.

Google already does that. You log into Google and you have access to your master list. If you don't log in, you don't have access.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-01-2025 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenBoy (Post 2412841)
Govt databases have become suspect with the activity of the hoard buzzing around CMS, IRS, and VA looking for savings. I suspect all of this activity has made our data less than secure and individuals can do nothing to protect themselves as long as there is virtually no accountability for data security.

The only way you can protect yourself these days is to NOT store passwords in the cloud, or on your hard drive. Even then it's not really safe - they can find you with keyloggers.

retiredguy123 03-02-2025 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2412461)
Everything is in the cloud these days, 20 years ago I was nervous about the cloud, haven’t been nervous for over 15 years now. How else are all of your devices kept in sync? When you have computers, phones, watches all accessing the same sites, you need a good way to sync all devices and a good password manager. Apple has had this functionality built in for over a decade. Plus now with facial recognition.

But what’s just as important is to turn on 2 phase authentication, and use a password that contains uppercase letters, special characters, numbers and is over 15 chars long. It will take a hundred years to crack it!

If you are Using windows, just put your info on the web because it’s too easy to hack into. Linux and Apple are much harder to hack into.

I agree with the 2 phase authorization, which is often referred to as "two-step verification". My investment accounts have this feature turned on, which is very easy to do in your profile security settings. When you enter your username and password, they will then text or call your phone with a 6-digit code to enter. You must enter the code within about 10 minutes. You need to have your phone with you or you cannot log in. If you don't have this feature turned on, anyone with your username and password can access your account from anywhere. If it is turned on, your username and password are worthless to a hacker. In my opinion, this feature should be mandatory, and not something that needs to be turned on. I highly recommend turning on the two-step verification, which will only add about 15 seconds to your log in process.

DaddyD 03-03-2025 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2412411)
I do not trust anything that is online (aka cloud) storage, and I do not like local storage on my PC, so I have my own secret way of storing passwords which I will not give out on an open forum. There are ways to keep your passwords safe I have over 100 currently.

Any reason why you can't discuss your method in just vague general terms??

But more importantly, pretty much all of us (yes, I know there are outliers) will get more forgetful as we age, and what will you do if (God forbid) you get beginning stages of dementia / Alzheimers?

It might be a pain if someone found out my username and password to online forums such as these, but I'm really only concerned about someone hacking into my email account & banking / investment accounts. I'm thinking of buying an inexpensive Chromebook and using it EXCLUSIVELY when I need online access to my Fidelity & Vanguard investment accounts & the crypto/bitcoin exchanges I'm on. I would not use it for email or to log on to any other website, but again use it solely for online access to my investment accounts.

I'm considering Chromebook because a) they are cheap, and b) because I've been told that they are very basic computers with very little memory and are therefore very hard to hack & aren't very susceptible to malware. If anyone here is knowledgable about Chromebooks and whether or not they would be good for what I'm proposing, I'd appreciate feedback.

retiredguy123 03-03-2025 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyD (Post 2413172)
Any reason why you can't discuss your method in just vague general terms??

But more importantly, pretty much all of us (yes, I know there are outliers) will get more forgetful as we age, and what will you do if (God forbid) you get beginning stages of dementia / Alzheimers?

It might be a pain if someone found out my username and password to online forums such as these, but I'm really only concerned about someone hacking into my email account & banking / investment accounts. I'm thinking of buying an inexpensive Chromebook and using it EXCLUSIVELY when I need online access to my Fidelity & Vanguard investment accounts & the crypto/bitcoin exchanges I'm on. I would not use it for email or to log on to any other website, but again use it solely for online access to my investment accounts.

I'm considering Chromebook because a) they are cheap, and b) because I've been told that they are very basic computers with very little memory and are therefore very hard to hack & aren't very susceptible to malware. If anyone here is knowledgable about Chromebooks and whether or not they would be good for what I'm proposing, I'd appreciate feedback.

Do you have the two-step verification turned on for your Vanguard and Fidelity accounts? If so, someone with your username and password cannot log in to your accounts without access to your cell phone. My cell phone requires my fingerprint to unlock it.

RoseyRed 03-03-2025 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyD (Post 2413172)
Any reason why you can't discuss your method in just vague general terms??

But more importantly, pretty much all of us (yes, I know there are outliers) will get more forgetful as we age, and what will you do if (God forbid) you get beginning stages of dementia / Alzheimers?

It might be a pain if someone found out my username and password to online forums such as these, but I'm really only concerned about someone hacking into my email account & banking / investment accounts. I'm thinking of buying an inexpensive Chromebook and using it EXCLUSIVELY when I need online access to my Fidelity & Vanguard investment accounts & the crypto/bitcoin exchanges I'm on. I would not use it for email or to log on to any other website, but again use it solely for online access to my investment accounts.

I'm considering Chromebook because a) they are cheap, and b) because I've been told that they are very basic computers with very little memory and are therefore very hard to hack & aren't very susceptible to malware. If anyone here is knowledgable about Chromebooks and whether or not they would be good for what I'm proposing, I'd appreciate feedback.

Online security methods that are selected boil down to an individual preference. I am not intentionally trying to be vague. I have found long drawn out details do not interest most people. A simple suggestion may prompt someone to research if it is something they are interested in and find the details on their own.


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