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Kerry Azz 11-08-2018 03:40 PM

Reset the filter switch
 
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Originally Posted by mixsonci (Post 1595982)
I tried taking my fridge filter out, but when I did, the ice maker wouldn''t work. I tried to get a "Plug" for in place of the filter, but was told by Whirlpool that my particular model does not need a plug so there is none to buy. However, the ice maker doesn't work without. So at present I have a filter in, but really don't want to buy another filter if I don't have to, they're expensive.

Reading some of these post on the little confused, If you’re not worried about the filter system on the refrigerator and your refrigerator requires a filter to be used for your icemaker to work then just reset the thing it’s really that simple.

HiHoSteveO 11-08-2018 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerry Azz (Post 1597315)
Reading some of these post on the little confused, If you’re not worried about the filter system on the refrigerator and your refrigerator requires a filter to be used for your icemaker to work then just reset the thing it’s really that simple.

Actually I don't think it's that simple.

Wouldn't bacteria continue to collect in the carbon filter in the refrigerator?

Bacteria stew with every glass of water or ice cube.

Does the Nova system remove chlorine too? (disinfectant) Wouldn't that make the refrigerator filter even more of a bacteria collector?

retiredguy123 11-08-2018 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HiHoSteveO (Post 1597359)
Actually I don't think it's that simple.

Wouldn't bacteria continue to collect in the carbon filter in the refrigerator?

Bacteria stew with every glass of water or ice cube.

Does the Nova system remove chlorine too? (disinfectant) Wouldn't that make the refrigerator filter even more of a bacteria collector?

Yes, I think the filter system will remove chlorine. That is why I am skeptical of these filter systems. The water that comes to your house has chlorine to protect you against harmful bacteria. So, if you leave the water sitting on your pipes after it leaves the filter, isn't there the possibility of that water becoming contaminated? With regard to the refrigerator, I would continue to use the filter as designed. It really doesn't cost that much, and will provide additional filtering.

jimbo2012 11-09-2018 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1597109)
I think I would continue using a refrigerator filter. Most filters have a Home Depot brand that is about half the cost of the name brand. And, you can extend the time between changing filters to save money.

Fridge filter have a very poor filtering capacity at most 25 to 30 microns and they use a low quality charcoal carbon.

The Nova is not using charcoal and is a 5 micron filter.

For comparison, the Nova carbon weighs iin at 6.3 pounds of pure carbon. The expensive fridge are a few ounces.

they will have zero effect and may harbor bacteria, therefore I recommend their removal.

All fridge manufacturers must have a way to use them without.

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jimbo2012 11-09-2018 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1597369)
Yes, I think the filter system will remove chlorine. That is why I am skeptical of these filter systems. The water that comes to your house has chlorine to protect you against harmful bacteria. So, if you leave the water sitting on your pipes after it leaves the filter, isn't there the possibility of that water becoming contaminated?

The chlorine did it's job killing bacteria from the pumping plant to your home.
After that any chlorine in the pipes is completely dissipated in 24 hours, that is the total life.

It is difficult to harbor bacteria after that because of lack of air in the pipes

Also understand the chlorination process has two carcinogens that remain in the water, they are stated right on your annual bill.

TTHM and Haloacetic acid, just google them

I'm not trying to alarm anyone just know they are there but at safe Federal guidelines.

More importantly our system removes them.

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there are also microplastics in the water not only here but world wide, again they will be removed

See http://www.novafiltration.com/whats-in-your-water/

jimbo2012 11-09-2018 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HiHoSteveO (Post 1597359)
Actually I don't think it's that simple.

Wouldn't bacteria continue to collect in the carbon filter in the refrigerator?

Bacteria stew with every glass of water or ice cube.

Does the Nova system remove chlorine too? (disinfectant) Wouldn't that make the refrigerator filter even more of a bacteria collector?

Yes it removes it.
But it's no longer needed see post above

If the ice is being made and the water dispenser being used
on regular basis your fine because it is be flushed as all piping in the home.

You can always run water for 3 seconds before using to flush the faucet tip

jimbo2012 11-09-2018 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1597273)
To remove the sodium added by a water softener (it is actually sodium, not sodium chloride, the chloride is stripped off), you will need a reverse osmosis system,

Agree, but if you use potassium in it's place that will work also.

The reverse osmosis units will give you 99.99% pure water

We install a 5 stage unit for $395

See http://www.novafiltration.com/reverse-osmosis-1/

here's some of what it removes,


https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-zo6dv...images/ro2.jpg

biker1 11-09-2018 09:51 AM

Read the rest of most post (#39) as I already said that.

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 1597488)
Agree, but if you use potassium in it's place that will work also.

The reverse osmosis units will give you 99.99% pure water

We install a 5 stage unit for $395

See http://www.novafiltration.com/reverse-osmosis-1/

here's some of what it removes,


https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-zo6dv...images/ro2.jpg


jimbo2012 11-09-2018 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1597266)
It is the water softener that will take care of the calcium/mineral deposits. But it may not take care of the mold under the toilet rim (ours didn't).

We recommend Clorox Clinging gel

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As an earlier poster stated (debfromaine, I believe), just having the whole-house filter will not eliminate all calcium deposits unless you add a softener to it.
The spots or build up is not ALL calcium, it is about 10% calcium and 90% sediment.

The Nova whole house filter will remove the sediment 100%

this pic shows the sediment after 12 months use or 26,000 gallons
https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-zo6dv...g-4700-min.jpg


A softener will remove the calcium, but it is an option add on unit NOT mandatory.

of our 3481 customers the whole house meets the needs for 90% of our customers in the main part of the villages (N of 44) and in Fenny about 50% where the calcium level is higher.

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jimbo2012 11-09-2018 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1596725)
With Pelican..............You can filter, you can soften, you can do both.

Pelican is NOT a softener, it is treatment system.

It does NOT remove calcium or magnesium, it claims to suspend it

The definition of softener is to remove.

It sell for about $3,300

I contacted the company to ask them for info supporting their claims

they sent a lab test done in Germany, guess no lab in in USA could give them the results they wanted!!!!

https://www.novafiltration.com/produ...images/lie.jpg


They say they soften the water without salt while leaving the beneficial minerals. Soft water is “water where the hard minerals (calcium and magnesium) have been removed”. But the salt-free marketing guys say that their process leaves the beneficial minerals. Sure, including calcium and magnesium . So, if it doesn’t not soften water, it shouldn’t be called a “WATER SOFTENER.” Yet, that is exactly what they call it.

The way these work they suspend the (calcium and magnesium) they do not remove them. they bind these minerals together. I asked that direct question This is important because if you’re expecting to experience truly “soft” water after installing your NuvoH2O, you’re likely to be disappointed.Therefore, they do not in fact soften water

That’s just a marketing scheme designed to trick you into buying their product.

Only a salt or potassium chloride-based water softener removes the calcium and magnesium.

I am amazed that these companies like Nuvo H2O, Pelican & Rhino continue to get away with their deception and charge upwards of $3,000+

We can install a whole house filter and softener for about $1500

biker1 11-09-2018 10:12 AM

Pelican makes a number of products including salt-based (sodium chloride or potassium chloride) ion exchange water softeners. Your reference is to their non-salt based system only. I share your skepticism about non-salt based systems (although I have never had one but have used salt-based systems for a long time).

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 1597499)
Pelican is NOT a softener, it is treatment system.

It does NOT remove calcium or magnesium, it claims to suspend it

The definition of softener is to remove.

It sell for about $3,300

I contacted the company to ask them for info supporting their claims

they sent a lab test done in Germany, guess no lab in in USA could give them the results they wanted!!!!

https://www.novafiltration.com/produ...images/lie.jpg


They say they soften the water without salt while leaving the beneficial minerals. Soft water is “water where the hard minerals (calcium and magnesium) have been removed”. But the salt-free marketing guys say that their process leaves the beneficial minerals. Sure, including calcium and magnesium . So, if it doesn’t not soften water, it shouldn’t be called a “WATER SOFTENER.” Yet, that is exactly what they call it.

The way these work they suspend the (calcium and magnesium) they do not remove them. they bind these minerals together. I asked that direct question This is important because if you’re expecting to experience truly “soft” water after installing your NuvoH2O, you’re likely to be disappointed.Therefore, they do not in fact soften water

That’s just a marketing scheme designed to trick you into buying their product.

Only a salt or potassium chloride-based water softener removes the calcium and magnesium.

I am amazed that these companies like Nuvo H2O, Pelican & Rhino continue to get away with their deception and charge upwards of $3,000+

We can install a whole house filter and softener for about $1500


dewilson58 11-09-2018 10:23 AM

I'm not a salesmen, with a conflict of interest, trying to sell my products on ToTV.

I know what I have, I like what I have.

Splitting hairs on definitions is entertaining for some. Opinions do not make facts.

Oh Wait!!!! What did I read on the internet?????:

Word forms: (regular plural) water softeners

noun
(Chemical Engineering: General)
A water softener is a piece of equipment or a place that is used for filtering or treating water to remove the chemicals that cause hardness.

Again fellow Talkers...................I'm not selling.

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Bill32 11-10-2018 09:41 AM

To answer the OP original question....we keep the refrigerator filter in and change it once a year.


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