[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Pretty good joke! I don't have a problem with government payments for up to 2 children - but 2 ONLY, NOT more. If you have more that is your problem. The government should only encourage 2 children. The US needs to control its population based on "quality of life" calculations. Too much population is a BAD problem. There is probably a population number that maximizes "quality of life". That number needs to be calculated and then tax and immigration policy should be adjusted to achieve that population. The US population density and natural resources are limited. We don't want to end up like India and China!!!!!!!!!!

U.S. population growth has been falling for a long time now.

U.S. population growth less than 0.5 percent as immigration and birth rates drop, new report says

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by stan the man

Should be $5000 per/year

should be ZERO

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

and getting stimulus money , did you give it all back or give it away , I gave every dollar away , passed out $100 bills to all the waitstaff at places I go and people who I see every day at stores and to Salvation Army this was on top of my normal charity donations , not looking for praise , but for all of us who have been lucky enough to do well no matter how much you give we all could do more

I don’t know everyone else’s circumstances at this point but ours had nothing to do with “ luck”. I wish all those “unlucky” people would have had to follow most of us around and performed the work we did to see what constitutes “luck”. Granted, there are families who have had their hard work devastated by illness. They definitely need and deserve a hand up. The rest can reap what they produce from their labors as far as I’m concerned. If a woman bears a child neither she or the child’s father can support, sterilization for both would be an excellent solution. I love children and they deserve far better than being born into a life with incompetent parents.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

and getting stimulus money , did you give it all back or give it away , I gave every dollar away , passed out $100 bills to all the waitstaff at places I go and people who I see every day at stores and to Salvation Army this was on top of my normal charity donations , not looking for praise , but for all of us who have been lucky enough to do well no matter how much you give we all could do more

I'll give you praise for giving it away. That is a great thing to do. I shop at Salvation Army every chance I get.

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Yes, but think of the increased revenue for liquor stores, lotto tickets, beer sales, casinos, crack dealers and prostitutes!

and then you realize you have to lower your expectations even more

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Lucky for us the govt has plenty of money so they can just give it away.

Yep, reward for having children you can’t afford. Why should someone be rewarded for personal choice. Looks like the singles will get shaft again.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by valuemkt

It is the new economy.. Get paid stimulus money to sit on your butt and watch netflix. When you;re bored watching TV you can get paid for making babies ! Put's new meaning to the value of HARD work.

It’s called paying for or buying votes.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

Always good to start a trouble thread with wrong information and it would be nice to use the word working poor and that includes a lot of people , if it works properly it could cut child hunger and needs by 50%

Right......

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

U.S. population growth has been falling for a long time now.

U.S. population growth less than 0.5 percent as immigration and birth rates drop, new report says

OK thank you for that comment. That is a good thing. But, I take it a couple of steps forward by saying that the maximum "quality of life" for the resources of the US just MIGHT (?) (when calculated) turn out to be as low as a population of 275 million people. We may currently be WAY above the IDEAL population. That IS what I am suggesting. And I realize that I am an outlier with this opinion. Nevertheless, I am sticking with my opinion!

[charlieo1126@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I don’t know everyone else’s circumstances at this point but ours had nothing to do with “ luck”. I wish all those “unlucky” people would have had to follow most of us around and performed the work we did to see what constitutes “luck”. Granted, there are families who have had their hard work devastated by illness. They definitely need and deserve a hand up. The rest can reap what they produce from their labors as far as I’m concerned. If a woman bears a child neither she or the child’s father can support, sterilization for both would be an excellent solution. I love children and they deserve far better than being born into a life with incompetent parents.

you never lost a job and then got a better one ,, I know educated people for one reason or another never got ahead , I also grew up in a very tough neighborhood not a lot of success stories even for the ones that tried hard , and to generalize that all the working poor don’t care for there children and want a better life is ridiculous, we also better help these children because with the birth rate declining who will pay into social security Oh I forgot many of us won’t be around so why should we care . I know of someone hadn’t cared enough to get me out of reform school and get me into the Army I would have ended up in the trunk of a car or prison like many of my Boston friend so yes I had a lot of luck

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Pretty good joke! I don't have a problem with government payments for up to 2 children - but 2 ONLY, NOT more. If you have more that is your problem. The government should only encourage 2 children. The US needs to control its population based on "quality of life" calculations. Too much population is a BAD problem. There is probably a population number that maximizes "quality of life". That number needs to be calculated and then tax and immigration policy should be adjusted to achieve that population. The US population density and natural resources are limited. We don't want to end up like India and China!!!!!!!!!!

China booming, we sold out to them 60 plus years ago and they been buying up American, world, “P”, colleges deans, soon Chinese will be third language behind Spanish and English. CCP not stupid like out career congress members that we vote in again, and again, and again. they don’t give they’re money away without strings attached.


Shouldn’t be reward for there choice of having children. Singles pay higher tax rate, IMO it “P” word. IMo that’s what wrong with tax system to many rewards. Should be flat tax with NO deductions/credits, but that’s not the American way when 1% decides who pays how much with lawyers in hand.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

you never lost a job and then got a better one ,, I know educated people for one reason or another never got ahead , I also grew up in a very tough neighborhood not a lot of success stories even for the ones that tried hard , and to generalize that all the working poor don’t care for there children and want a better life is ridiculous, we also better help these children because with the birth rate declining who will pay into social security Oh I forgot many of us won’t be around so why should we care . I know of someone hadn’t cared enough to get me out of reform school and get me into the Army I would have ended up in the trunk of a car or prison like many of my Boston friend so yes I had a lot of luck

Not special lots of us had to move on to create better life. Sometimes you have to go where jobs (in you’re case was army which opens up other door’s if you can take orders, some can’t) are or leave momma’s skirt to break out on you’re own. I agree low percentage that’s stuck but they made bad criminal choices.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com

you never lost a job and then got a better one ,, I know educated people for one reason or another never got ahead , I also grew up in a very tough neighborhood not a lot of success stories even for the ones that tried hard , and to generalize that all the working poor don’t care for there children and want a better life is ridiculous, we also better help these children because with the birth rate declining who will pay into social security Oh I forgot many of us won’t be around so why should we care . I know of someone hadn’t cared enough to get me out of reform school and get me into the Army I would have ended up in the trunk of a car or prison like many of my Boston friend so yes I had a lot of luck

A good story!

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK thank you for that comment. That is a good thing. But, I take it a couple of steps forward by saying that the maximum "quality of life" for the resources of the US just MIGHT (?) (when calculated) turn out to be as low as a population of 275 million people. We may currently be WAY above the IDEAL population. That IS what I am suggesting. And I realize that I am an outlier with this opinion. Nevertheless, I am sticking with my opinion!

It would be good thing if accurate? Millions not being counted IMO.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

OK thank you for that comment. That is a good thing. But, I take it a couple of steps forward by saying that the maximum "quality of life" for the resources of the US just MIGHT (?) (when calculated) turn out to be as low as a population of 275 million people. We may currently be WAY above the IDEAL population. That IS what I am suggesting. And I realize that I am an outlier with this opinion. Nevertheless, I am sticking with my opinion!

A good start towards reaching 275 million would be to deport the estimated 14 million illegals living in the U.S. and stop the flood of new ones illegally entering the country.