No, her daughter is 100% wrong, as are you

As far as the second post goes, HOW DARE YOU? Not only did you insult a very nice and wise lady who has dealt with a special needs child for 50+ years, you managed to insult everyone from the "east coast". Give me the East Coast over the nut jobs on the West Coast any time.

So glad I've finally found that one superior person that knows what is the right thing to do. Perhaps you should post more moral imperatives on multiple subjects so all can know they are doing the right thing.

I don't think any of us should be condescending to others that, for valid personal reasons, make different medical decisions that we chose to make. Nor should we be cavalier in our sympathies if something goes wrong. But that's just me.....

"Give me the East Coast over the nut jobs on the West Coast any time."

Taking issue with insulting those from the East Coast is totally understandable, but then doing the same exact thing to those on the West Coast - seems pretty hypocritical to me.

Not really Jim. Perhaps you need to look elsewhere to see why your life today is Not Normal. Once again, the science shows that you run as much a risk from the unvaccinated as you do the vaccinated.

I think it is fear that is causing a lot of reluctance of people to get vaccinated against Covid.

I am thinking that not everyone has the same life experiences. Some of us have faced illness more than others and hospitalizations more than others and surgeries more than others either personally or with a family member.

Some people have been very fortunate not to need to have a lot of interaction with the medical community.

I do believe that some people fear medicine of any kind and some have a fear of shots too. (nobody likes shots, but some get light headed and dizzy)

The vaccine for Covid from Pfizer and Moderna are using MRNA technology rather than using weakened or dead cells. Many are frightened that this will somehow alter their own DNA and cause frightening and unwanted side effects and possibly cause people to give birth to children who will be damaged. Some fear long term effects from the vaccine itself and true reports from many showing people getting very strong effects of fatigue and even mental fog and pain have aided those fears.

Many people are comfortable enough to get the vaccine but there are those who truly are uncomfortable and afraid. Being ridiculed and criticized isn't going to help at all.

Not at all.

We are not all born alike with exactly the same way to approach problems. We all have different skill sets and different life experiences. Now many do not have the benefit of being raised by a parent who is extremely interested in educating them from the moment they are born and who imparts the wisdom they have accumulated and the small child will trust the source. Many small children are being raised by people that their parents would not trust with their car keys.

We have a different world. Little ones are not getting a lot of information the same way that we did.

I am sick of all the anonymous people putting others down on this forum and in many online places.

You cannot make anyone more aware or help them by insulting them.

You carry similar viral loads of covid as does a non vaccinated person. I am as likely to get the delta variant from a vaccinated person as I am a non vaccinated person. Ut is beyond time we must do what we need that is best for us, and stop trying to force people to do what we want.

Agree. I find it rude and very condescending to insult someone simply based on the part of the country they are from. I grew up in the south and was always sensitive to the insulting comments that others made because they evidently felt superior being from someplace other than the south. Since college, I have lived all over the US and have found no region better or worse than others.

Apparently, in today's world a "king" can be a male or female........:1rotfl:

It was----intentionally so that poster might get the point.

I'm sorry, but 6 pages ago on this thread you posted the same ridiculous claim regarding "viral loads" and chances of getting COVID from a vaccinated person. So now, 6 pages later, you will get the same response:

Point of clarification before that post misinforms even more people:

Vaccinated people who have breakthrough and carry the virus can have viral loads equal to the unvaccinated. HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low. A number of posts that refer to "viral load" are making it sound like just as many vaccinated people are running around with the same viral load as the unvaccinated. That is far, far from true. It's sort of like stating that fully clothed people who contract poison ivy in the woods have exactly the same lesions as naked people who ran through the woods without stating that 95% of the naked people got poison ivy while only 0.1% of the clothed did. Which group do you think will need the most calamine lotion?

You were “already immune to Covid”?!? Just because you were “exposed” to Covid previously and didn’t get it, doesn’t make you immune!
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Why so nasty and rude????

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It surprises me that non vaxers would use the regeneron treatment... isn't that going against all they believe and preach...how convenient.

If this is the way “the system” is counting the amount of occupied ICU beds, then this data is as skewed at the number of Covid deaths.

How did you get meds and which ones ahead of time?

There is no doubt in my mind that the OP described a very accurate scenario. Respiratory therapists are right there on the front lines along with doctors and nurses that are dealing with this every day. I thank every one of them for their dedication and skills.

Just the opposite. The Moderna vaccine actually is faring better than the Pfizer vaccine with a real life efficiency that remains in the high 80s to 90s percent and those percentages do include the Delta variant.

I figure my immunity is in the high 80s at this point because of my age but that is just a gut feeling I have. I had a “kick ass” side effect after my second Moderna shot so I know my immune system works very well. Now I’m beginning to reconsider getting the booster so soon. I have to discuss the booster with my PCP, hopefully today.

Well, considering neither the FDA, nor the CDC nor Moderna has approved/recommended an booster yet...

F.D.A. Panel Recommends Pfizer Boosters for Those Over 65 or at Risk - The New York Times

Three people we know have received them already.

HOWEVER, the percentage of those vaccinated people carrying the virus is very, very low.

"Very very low?" Not according to the CDC

Among the 469 cases in Massachusetts residents, 346 (74%) occurred in persons who were fully vaccinated; of these, 301 (87%) were male, with a median age of 42 years. Vaccine products received by persons experiencing breakthrough infections were Pfizer-BioNTech (159; 46%), Moderna (131; 38%), and Janssen (56; 16%); among fully vaccinated persons in the Massachusetts general population, 56% had received Pfizer-BioNTech, 38% had received Moderna, and 7% had received Janssen vaccine products. Among persons with breakthrough infection, 274 (79%) reported signs or symptoms, with the most common being cough, headache, sore throat, myalgia, and fever.


79% percent does not sound very very low to me.

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021 | MMWR

Sorry but unless you have proof that you actually contracted covid, the above is totally wrong. Saying you "were exposed" to covid is not the same thing as saying "I have natural immunity as a covid survivor"

This data from Israel shows the relative percentages of protection for various categories ( unvaxed, vaxed 6 months ago, vaxed recently, vaxed plus booster, covid survivor, covid survivor plus booster)

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Wrong. Anyone can do a little research and find that obesity is far more costly in terms of $ and death than covid. Especially when you consider that obesity (along with age) is a major factor in covid deaths.

Not fat = longer, happier life.

If you want to get vaccinates, go for it. If it's effective, why should you care if people are unvaccinated. In other words, mind your own business and keep out of mine.

People should do their own research re: deats from obesity vs covid. But covid has become a religion so facts are becoming irrelevant. True believers are going to believe. It's now faith-based with fat nurses as priests.

Less than 400 Americans under age 18 have died from covid. And those are probably inflated numbers too.

It's a now a crusade for many of the vaccinated. The unvaccinated must be converted, by word or sword.

Did you see the Australian cops pepper-spraying the 70-year old lady while she lay helpless on the ground?

Soon...

Most Americans are confused by percentages. And geography.

You are quoting data from a single large gathering in a single county in one state that involved less than 500 people. IN NO WAY can that be extrapolated into the hundreds of millions that have been vaccinated. Try again.

Covid vaccination is becoming a religion.

Thanks for helping make my point.

And once again:

If your position is that data from sources that don't fit your opinion are questionable or inflated then I guess you will always be correct.

The 300,000 number for yearly deaths from obesity can be found from multiple sources. The 670,000+ deaths from Covid can be found from multiple sources including JHU and CDC. The 580,000+ excess deaths in 2020 can be found on the CDC pages - they were caused by something and Covid was the biggest "something" happening last year.

Why should I care if people are unvaccinated? I have answered that several times and alluded to it in the response you quoted. Did you read it?

"Research" means significantly more than finding an article the fifth page of a Duck Duck Go search that agrees with your preconceived opinion or copying a forum post from a person who emphatically asserts that they alone are right and all the "so-called scientists" were just part of a conspiracy.

Now you're just making things up.

Want to be vaccinated? Fine. Now you're good.

People will resist your tyranny / religion.

We can also say freedom and personal responsibility have died, and too many are comfortable being told how to think. Perhaps some would feel more comfortable in places like NYC where they treat the people like children and government like parents; bad parents but parents just the same.

It appears one person is talking psychology and the other hard science.

They are the same as chalk and cheese.

OK, you say the vaccine is 99% safe, and we are told by the CDC that 99.8+ of those under 65 infected with covid recover fine, I would say it is still a personal choice. What is right for you may not be right for a 30 year old in perfect health. With non vaxxed people presenting the same risk to you as a vaxxed person (Oxford Study), why do you care. Take care of yourself and let others make their own choices.

It reminds me of when someone makes a poor choice. They go on a crusade to say everyone must do as they did. Perhaps it makes them feel less foolish if everyone makes the same choice as they did. The threat of covid is wildly different for different people. Depending on age and health, a very reasonable argument can be made not to get the jab.

Actually, the thrust of this thread is exactly how people die from Covid.

It is an awful death and for the first time in man's history, people are having to die without their loved ones.

Boomer brought up and excellent subject. Very real and pertinent. Very, very sad indeed.

This can be avoided by getting two shots in your arm.

Pictures in 2020 of hospital ward in Italy with covid patients. - Bing images

Until someone puts a gun to your head, it's your choice, of course.

Of course, there are smart choices and stupid choices..........

Oxford study showed similar percentage and similar viral loads of the Delta Variant in vax'd and non vax'd.

Nothing shows they were for covid patients. The site has been used by the city since the 19th century as a public cemetery for unclaimed people and those whose families can’t afford private burials. I can get photos every month of graves being dug there and bodies buried.It is reports like these, or over reporting covid ICU cases by 50%, or demanding those with natural immunity get the shot, that create mistrust.