Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2103514)

I so much want to have a serious discussion about this, but society today is not conducive to open, frank discussions.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2103547)

That is probably a domestic violence crime. Man fatally shoots woman, then himself at German supermarket, police say

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2103582)

"THEY" know all that, "THEY" don't care. You are wasting your pixels.

Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2103586)

Perhaps we need to be more aware and selective as to who is coming into the US. Local and State governments tend not to provide incarceration rates for illegal immigrants. What we do have is a study and report prepared by the DOJ/DHS in 2018.
Immigrants accounted for more than 30 percent of the federal prison population. Let us take care of our fellow citizens who are dealing with homelessness, hunger, poverty, before we allow others to enter illegally.

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2103593)

According to CATO research:

(All immigrants refers to illegal and legal)

"All immigrants have a lower criminal incarceration rate and there are lower crime rates in the neighborhoods where they live, according to the near-unanimous findings of the peer-reviewed evidence. Since 1911, large nationwide federal immigration commissions have asked whether immigrants are more crime-prone than native-born Americans and each one of them answered no, even when the rest of their reports unjustifiably blamed immigrants for virtually every problem in the United States. From the 1911 Immigration Commission, also known as the Dillingham Commission, to the 1931 Wickersham Commission, and 1994’s Barbara Jordan Commission, each has reported that immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than native-born Americans."

That was from 2018, since you referenced a 2018 data. There are more recent studies that show the same. In 2019 these numbers were released: At least 13% of the federal prison population, and 30% of the Federal Marshalls detention are illegal aliens. Federal Marshall's don't hold many other types of prisoners.

Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2103586)

Perhaps we need to be more aware and selective as to who is coming into the US. Local and State governments tend not to provide incarceration rates for illegal immigrants. What we do have is a study and report prepared by the DOJ/DHS in 2018.
Immigrants accounted for more than 30 percent of the federal prison population. Let us take care of our fellow citizens who are dealing with homelessness, hunger, poverty, before we allow others to enter illegally.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2103608)

The overriding problem is that our TOTAL infrastructure and government services can NOT adequately handle our TOTAL population. No wonder we have polarization and groups hating other groups. And that hatred leading to GUN violence and that FEAR driving up GUN sales. We have just emerged from the inability to solve the Covid crisis due to nationwide polarization. There is a Covid surge in Florida right now and it is being ignored by our so-called leaders.
............Increased GUN sales are NOT going to make for a peaceful summer, just the opposite!

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2103686)

Who's going to do all the landscaping work then? Who will flip the burgers at the fast food joints? Also - if you <allow> people to enter, then they're not entering illegally. That is a logical fallacy. If you allow them, then they're here with permission. That makes their entry legal, not illegal.

Meanwhile, immigrants do most of the grunt work in this country, because most American citizens refuse to do it. You want tomatoes for under $8/lb? Then accept that it's probably a Mexican picking the tomato off the vine at agricultural wages (which is sub-minimum).

At least they're willing to do the work.

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2103747)

Farmers have repeatedly tried to hire American's to do the field work, and they typically last a day or two. You are right. Who will work the fields. But, the good news is, if not no one does the prices of food will skyrocket, and well, all the people here will have more things to bitch about.

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2103796)

Perhaps some sort of migrant worker program , come to the US for a short stay , leave when the seasonal work is done , take your pay back to your home country, brings much needed money there, I think if the problems of abusing that sort of system could be worked out it could benefit all parties, but then it works out better politically just to be very non selective as to who comes into our country

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2103686)

Who's going to do all the landscaping work then? Who will flip the burgers at the fast food joints? Also - if you <allow> people to enter, then they're not entering illegally. That is a logical fallacy. If you allow them, then they're here with permission. That makes their entry legal, not illegal.

Meanwhile, immigrants do most of the grunt work in this country, because most American citizens refuse to do it. You want tomatoes for under $8/lb? Then accept that it's probably a Mexican picking the tomato off the vine at agricultural wages (which is sub-minimum).

At least they're willing to do the work.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2103703)

217 posts. Somebody needs to shoot this thread.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2103986)

Actually, there is a machine that can pick tomatoes. It is a large capital expense that the land owners are reluctant to pay because they have cheap human labor. But, if they did make that capital investment, in the long term tomatoes would be cheaper to the consumer.
..........The US is on the verge of using A.I. and robotics to transform just about all industries - even McDonalds'. So, if the US government was planning ahead, it would want to restrict immigration to the legal variety and mainly "rocket -scientist-types".