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jimjamuser 06-02-2022 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by juneroses (Post 2101808)

This is a good article. I noticed that 35 Billion dollars would be needed to provide enough school counselors. I would be willing to have my property taxes raised to accomplish this. But, the question is, how many other people here would?

Keefelane66 06-02-2022 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2101895)
It might be NICE to know exactly WHO are these people that have destroyed society? And WHEN and HOW did they accomplish this HUGE undertaking.? And are other 1st world democratic nations affected or NOT? AS is - there is NO meat on those bare bones.

Only in the U.S. can you get shot in school, go to the supermarket get shot, go the hospital, get shot again, recover, then go to church — only to get shot once more.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2101840)
We would have to stop the world and restart again to accomplish this.

Don't know about any of you people, but I'm a senior citizen looking for my eternal life
someplace else.

The US is the only one of the G-7 that has a HUGE mass murder issue. Their children do NOT have tobe frightened to go to school. And Canada is working on a method to prevent 99% of all GUN crime, while still allowing for legitimate hunting and target practice. I guess that the northern attitudes make Canada smarter than the US and Mexico!

GpaVader 06-02-2022 01:55 PM

No pun intended but there is no Silver Bullet for the solution to this. The genie is out of the bottle and will continue to slip through our fingers if attempt to put him back in.

Let's just say you ban all guns - that might stop NEW guns from getting on the street but then how do you collect all the guns that are out there and how many will die in the effort of trying to collect them?

Sorry I don't have the link, but I read someplace where after Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the reason they didn't start invading the US was because they knew we were armed and would resist. Switzerland issues everyone a rifle and you don't hear about mass shooting there. The issue isn't just the tool but the person wielding it.

Now do I have a solution, sorry no. Wish I did... Do I think making background checks mandatory for any automatic weapon purchase is a good idea, as long as it includes a mental health check with that and a way for people to challenge if it has been set.

Just my 2 cents worth.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2101863)
Well, I wish we could live the world ElDiabloJoe suggests, but here's a couple of things we could actually do now.

1. Re-open the insane asylums and make it possible to once again commit dangerous lunatics, like we used to do back before we had mass-murders by dangerous lunatics every other month.

2. Make Big Tech apply the same powerful algorithms they use to detect people pointing out that the Covid Vaccines don't work, to detecting the ravings of the next murderous lunatic, as he documents in detail on-line his plans to commit mass murder.

Just a couple of alternative common-sense ideas, since everyone seems to have a "common sense" plan these days to remove 400 million guns, which might be a little more difficult than simply locking up the lunatics.

I agree with both #1 and #2.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2101883)
We can discuss this over and over until the cows come home and not sure what will ever be accomplished.

If "the cows were coming home" in Australia, then the little children would NOT be afraid to go to school !!!!!

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101888)
It's not, unless you are referring to those guns that float through the air until they get to a school or movie and then fire themselves.

Well, "switchblade" drones can almost do that. I hear that the NRA is proposing those for CIVILIAN US use.

golfing eagles 06-02-2022 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2101931)
Well, "switchblade" drones can almost do that. I hear that the NRA is proposing those for CIVILIAN US use.

They need them for hunting 😂😂😂

MartinSE 06-02-2022 02:05 PM

I just watched the Chief of Police in Tulsa giving the timeline.

Less than 10 minutes after the 911 call, police were on the second floor of the Doctors office building where the shooting took place. The scene (2nd floor) was described as a complicate place for the officers and posed particular problems. THEY were yelling, "Tulsa Police". A minute later the shooter shoot himself.

Well trained, well disciplined. less than 10 minutes. Not a hour later some officers ignore orders and go in - like in Texas. Fast response is the top priority in training for these situations. And in Tulsa it worked.

BTW: Not that it matters. The shooter was not happy with the outcome of a surgery he had a week or so before, so on the 29th he purchase a semi-automatic hand gun (.40 Cal) and on the day of the shooting he purchase an AR-15 style weapon. 30 casings of 0.223 were found on the scene, and 8(? something like that) casing of .40 found on the scene. He left a letter saying he was going to kill the doctor and anyone that got into his way. It took him almost 40 rounds to accomplish his goal. I guess others ( like patients and doctors) got in his way.

EDITED to remove comment about facts that some found offensive. Facts are facts, unless you don't like them I guess.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2101899)
We may never be able to agree on "common sense", but maybe we could agree on "do-able".

There are 400 million "assault rifles" in private hands, but only a few thousand potential mass murderers. Removing either from society would require a constitutional amendment, or what we usually do -- simply ignore the Constitution. The obvious choice seems like simple math.

The beauty of it is, the lunatics actually use Big Tech to tell us who they are -- if we could just get Big Tech to imagine that an 18-year old kid who says he's going to use his new AR to murder his grandma and then shoot up the grade school down the street is at least as dangerous as a Mom who doesn't want to shoot up her kid with a vaccine that doesn't appear to actually prevent people from getting Covid!

But if you say that's not "common sense", I guess I'm out of ideas.

Slick deflection to Covid.

Papa_lecki 06-02-2022 02:06 PM

Seeing how popular Shooters World is, I would guess TV has a high per capita gun ownership rate and a very low per capita homicide rate.

Are the guns in The Villages different, that they don’t kill people, like the do in Detroit?

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101905)
Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC?????

Keep guessing, you are getting warm.........hint UK ownership.

golfing eagles 06-02-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2101937)
Seeing how popular Shooters World is, I would guess TV has a high per capita gun ownership rate and a very low per capita homicide rate.

Are the guns in The Villages different, that they don’t kill people, like the do in Detroit?

Maybe. The guns are old, their muzzle velocity has slowed down, the bullets are softer and the trigger is rusty 😂😂😂

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mike234 (Post 2101910)
quit saying it is a mental health issue. lives should not depend on some mental person, forgetting to take his or her pill in the morning.....they belong in jail.

Yes, there should be a mental health test......every 2 years. ?????? I wonder how many here in TV Land would pass. I remember a tennis player here that definitely would NOT pass. And one of my neighbors, I have serious doubts about.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101933)
They need them for hunting 😂😂😂

The deer better watch out......meat prices are skyrocketing!

Kenswing 06-02-2022 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2101934)
I just watched the Chief of Police in Tulsa giving the timeline.

Less than 10 minutes after the 911 call, police were on the second floor of the Doctors office building where the shooting took place. The scene (2nd floor) was described as a complicate place for the officers and posed particular problems. THEY were yelling, "Tulsa Police". A minute later the shooter shoot himself.

Well trained, well disciplined. less than 10 minutes. Not a hour later some officers ignore orders and go in - like in Texas. Fast response is the top priority in training for these situations. And in Tulsa it worked.

BTW: Not that it matters. The shooter was not happy with the outcome of a surgery he had a week or so before, so on the 29th he purchase a semi-automatic hand gun (.40 Cal) and on the day of the shooting he purchase an AR-15 style weapon. 30 casings of 0.223 were found on the scene, and 8(? something like that) casing of .40 found on the scene. He left a letter saying he was going to kill the doctor and anyone that got into his way. It took him almost 40 rounds to accomplish his goal. I guess others ( like patients and doctors) got in his way.

And one last point. And I am NOT saying this is why there was so much difference between the two shootings. But, the victims in Texas were poor minority children, and the victims in Tulsa were rich white guys.

Uvalde is city with a population of 16,000 with a police force that reflects that number. Tulsa has a population of 400,000. Who do you expect to have a better trained and staffed police department?

Then your race baiting at the end is just sick!

MartinSE 06-02-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2101947)
Uvalde is city with a population of 16,000 with a police force that reflects that number. Tulsa has a population of 400,000. Who do you expect to have a better trained and staffed police department?

Then your race baiting at the end is just sick!

I drew no conclusions OTHER than I said the Tulsa Police were better trained.

I drew NO conclusions in my observation of differences in the victims. My statement was true. In Uvalde nothing happened until a Childs father arrived and went in.

You can draw any conclusions you want, please do not attribute your opinions to my comment. Draw your own conclusions.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-02-2022 03:29 PM

Christianity - oh yeah. That's a good one. The religion that did the whole "convert or die" thing back during the Crusades. The thing that had Englanders rushing to the New World to escape persecution because their version of Christianity wasn't the "right kind."

Christianity - the #1 religion in Oklahoma, where over 75% of the population is some denomination or another of Christian.

Here's some clues: the majority of mass shooters in the USA were NOT athiests. Lack of universal background checks made it easier for them to get more guns and more ammo. Having universal background checks would likely not have stopped most of them. But it would've made it harder for them to get.

I'm not for a weapons ban - banning weapons doesn't stop weapons from being sold. But I am in favor of halting the manufacture of semi-automatics and retail sales. In other words - any currently in circulation should still be allowed to be in circulation. But from now on - any (semi-automatics) made will be for the military and the police, via contract. So there's 100% accountability in the chain of distribution.

I'm also for the clips that hold lots of rounds being restricted (not banned) to military/police use only. I don't know how many rounds, but certainly no one needs more than a couple of bullets to hit their target if they're properly trained.

I'm also for mandatory training and licensing, just as we do for driving motor vehicles.

MartinSE 06-02-2022 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2101941)
Yes, there should be a mental health test......every 2 years. ?????? I wonder how many here in TV Land would pass. I remember a tennis player here that definitely would NOT pass. And one of my neighbors, I have serious doubts about.

Wait, didn't we just dump all the mentally ill out? Who was it that defunded the mental health institutions. Oh, now I remember. The ones calling shooters crazy and blaming mental health for all the deaths. The ones that didn't "fix" that when they controlled 3 branches of government. And yet, here they all are again blaming mental health, but not willing to fund it. And still, they couldn't wait to go into recess and NOT propose a mental health funding bill, that they say is the problem.

justjim 06-02-2022 05:35 PM

Prior to 2004 there was a ban on “Assault weapons” but it expired. Were things better then? Just asking….

Number 10 GI 06-02-2022 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2101979)
Christianity - oh yeah. That's a good one. The religion that did the whole "convert or die" thing back during the Crusades. The thing that had Englanders rushing to the New World to escape persecution because their version of Christianity wasn't the "right kind."

Christianity - the #1 religion in Oklahoma, where over 75% of the population is some denomination or another of Christian.

Here's some clues: the majority of mass shooters in the USA were NOT athiests. Lack of universal background checks made it easier for them to get more guns and more ammo. Having universal background checks would likely not have stopped most of them. But it would've made it harder for them to get.

I'm not for a weapons ban - banning weapons doesn't stop weapons from being sold. But I am in favor of halting the manufacture of semi-automatics and retail sales. In other words - any currently in circulation should still be allowed to be in circulation. But from now on - any (semi-automatics) made will be for the military and the police, via contract. So there's 100% accountability in the chain of distribution.

I'm also for the clips that hold lots of rounds being restricted (not banned) to military/police use only. I don't know how many rounds, but certainly no one needs more than a couple of bullets to hit their target if they're properly trained.

I'm also for mandatory training and licensing, just as we do for driving motor vehicles.

I agree with testing.

Let's set up tests to determine if a person is intelligent enough to vote in elections.

Test to determine if a person is literate and knowledgeable enough of a subject to post on social media and in newspaper letters to the editor.

As to driver's licenses, we need to have annual mandatory evaluations of ability to drive for anyone over 55 years old.

Let's require education and licensing for marriage and child rearing. Nearly as many children are maimed or killed by child abusers as with firearms.
Forty to fifty percent of marriages end in divorce which creates serious emotional problems for children.

Require intelligence tests for jury members.

Djean1981 06-02-2022 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2101758)
Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

Amen!

Badger 2006 06-02-2022 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101905)
Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC?????

Spot on!

Dave951 06-02-2022 06:59 PM

Social media and violent video games that kids have access too

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2101979)
Christianity - oh yeah. That's a good one. The religion that did the whole "convert or die" thing back during the Crusades. The thing that had Englanders rushing to the New World to escape persecution because their version of Christianity wasn't the "right kind."

Christianity - the #1 religion in Oklahoma, where over 75% of the population is some denomination or another of Christian.

Here's some clues: the majority of mass shooters in the USA were NOT athiests. Lack of universal background checks made it easier for them to get more guns and more ammo. Having universal background checks would likely not have stopped most of them. But it would've made it harder for them to get.

I'm not for a weapons ban - banning weapons doesn't stop weapons from being sold. But I am in favor of halting the manufacture of semi-automatics and retail sales. In other words - any currently in circulation should still be allowed to be in circulation. But from now on - any (semi-automatics) made will be for the military and the police, via contract. So there's 100% accountability in the chain of distribution.

I'm also for the clips that hold lots of rounds being restricted (not banned) to military/police use only. I don't know how many rounds, but certainly no one needs more than a couple of bullets to hit their target if they're properly trained.

I'm also for mandatory training and licensing, just as we do for driving motor vehicles.

A 5 round magazine in a bolt action would be enough for hunting and home defense.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2102016)
Prior to 2004 there was a ban on “Assault weapons” but it expired. Were things better then? Just asking….

After 2005 mass shootings went up.

Woodbear 06-03-2022 12:14 AM

I just picked up four 32 round magazines to fit my handguns and PCC. Great price, almost half of what the local gun shops would have charged to ship in. I love this state

Calisport 06-03-2022 12:22 AM

1. Regain law and order.

MrChip72 06-03-2022 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2101758)
Oh Geez, that's easy. You're not gonna like the answer though:

1. Two-parent homes for raising children;
2. A stay-at home parent;
3. Put away "participation trophies" and teach kids that heartbreak and losing are life lessons and doing so gracefully is important;
4. Return to discipline. Kids are your responsibility to society, NOT your new cuddly best friend for you to pamper and indulge;
5. Return to a shared moral code. In the past, it was Christianity and regular church attendance;
6. Return to community norms. No more, "but it's their culture to be rude" excuses. Abide by community standards or face social ostracism;
7. A return to accountability and personal responsibility for one's actions and behaviors.

I actually thought you were joking/sarcastic with this response, but I guess not.

Check how many other G7 countries had multiple mass shootings this week? Zero. Same as last week.

For point #1, didn't a couple of the last mass shooters get their AR-15's from their two-parent homes as birthday or Christmas gifts?

You can say with a straight face that guns have nothing to do with the problem?

Woodbear 06-03-2022 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2102078)
I actually thought you were joking/sarcastic with this response, but I guess not.

Check how many other G7 countries had multiple mass shootings this week? Zero. Same as last week.

For point #1, didn't a couple of the last mass shooters get their AR-15's from their two-parent homes as birthday or Christmas gifts?

You can say with a straight face that guns have nothing to do with the problem?

Guns have nothing to do with the problem. Did you blame Uhaul for the Oklahoma City Bombing? Was Porsche responsible for Paul Pelosi driving drunk and causing an accident. The shooter was the only person responsible

Eg_cruz 06-03-2022 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2101771)
Violent movies, violent video games, kids today are desensitized, blood and guts mean nothing to them.

100% agree

dewilson58 06-03-2022 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2102052)
A 5 round magazine in a bolt action would be enough for hunting and home defense.

Nope.

Home owner is going to be nervous & scared.......not going to be aiming the best......15 shots will do a much better job. Just like police, keep shooting until the bad guy is down.

jimbomaybe 06-03-2022 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 2102017)
I agree with testing.

Let's set up tests to determine if a person is intelligent enough to vote in elections.

Test to determine if a person is literate and knowledgeable enough of a subject to post on social media and in newspaper letters to the editor.

As to driver's licenses, we need to have annual mandatory evaluations of ability to drive for anyone over 55 years old.

Let's require education and licensing for marriage and child rearing. Nearly as many children are maimed or killed by child abusers as with firearms.
Forty to fifty percent of marriages end in divorce which creates serious emotional problems for children.

Require intelligence tests for jury members.

Excellent idea, long overdue ,, I will of course be in charge of making the decision as to the criteria and have both criminal and civil authority to enforce the needed measures

MartinSE 06-03-2022 06:52 AM

21 more mass shootings since the Texas School shooting just 11 days ago, and not a new idea, suggestion, just same old complains about how "someone" destroyed our country and we need to ban all AR-15s. Both sides stuck. Repeating the same mantras since this got going for real over 20 year ago.

Round and round. Hating and not trusting while our children, grandchildren, and neighbors die. Everyone has their own favorite theory and is sticking to it by god.

jebartle 06-03-2022 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101905)
Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC?????

Never a fan of broad brush descriptions of anything, a liberal could include Fox, which in sheer numbers of news media bias would speak for itself.

Bay Kid 06-03-2022 07:30 AM

What is making people going so crazy this year in our country. Could it be??? Our country has lost all morals. Lies are the norm. Police are bad. Druggies are heroes. Legal drugs are over used. God is bad. And so on and on.

ElDiabloJoe 06-03-2022 07:50 AM

It is interesting to note the multiple references to "G-7 Countries." Why be so selective? While it is true that the U.S. seems to hold the vast majority of mass incidents, let's not pretend they have not occurred in Canada, France, Finland, Norway, Brazil, Etc. either.

It is notable that the U.S. culture creates the globe's majority of mass media and direct-injects (some would call brainwashes) violent video games, Hollywood movies, T.V. shows, and "gangster" style music imagery and lyrics directly into hormone-bathed American teen-aged brains.

However, no one is taking Blizzard Entertainment, MGM, or Sony to task for these mass casualty incidents. I wonder why the focus is on the darling of the right, the hated item of the left - the firearm?

Here's the list:

Timeline of Worldwide School and Mass Shootings

Kenswing 06-03-2022 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2102052)
A 5 round magazine in a bolt action would be enough for hunting and home defense.

Yeah right. If you miss with your first shot, any home invader would be upon you before you could cycle your second. Where as if you had a semiautomatic pistol you could fire off 10 rounds. Even if you missed it would give even the most hardened criminal reason to pause. I can’t believe you post this stuff.

Kenswing 06-03-2022 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodbear (Post 2102080)
Guns have nothing to do with the problem. Did you blame Uhaul for the Oklahoma City Bombing? Was Porsche responsible for Paul Pelosi driving drunk and causing an accident. The shooter was the only person responsible

Next they’ll want to ban the knife and fork in order to stop obesity.

MartinSE 06-03-2022 08:31 AM

I am glad everyone is having so much fun - knives and forks are next, et al. Kind of reminds me of Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

I sincerely hope your grandchildren are not next on the hit list parade.


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