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jimjamuser 06-02-2022 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2101883)
We can discuss this over and over until the cows come home and not sure what will ever be accomplished.

If "the cows were coming home" in Australia, then the little children would NOT be afraid to go to school !!!!!

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101888)
It's not, unless you are referring to those guns that float through the air until they get to a school or movie and then fire themselves.

Well, "switchblade" drones can almost do that. I hear that the NRA is proposing those for CIVILIAN US use.

golfing eagles 06-02-2022 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2101931)
Well, "switchblade" drones can almost do that. I hear that the NRA is proposing those for CIVILIAN US use.

They need them for hunting ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

MartinSE 06-02-2022 02:05 PM

I just watched the Chief of Police in Tulsa giving the timeline.

Less than 10 minutes after the 911 call, police were on the second floor of the Doctors office building where the shooting took place. The scene (2nd floor) was described as a complicate place for the officers and posed particular problems. THEY were yelling, "Tulsa Police". A minute later the shooter shoot himself.

Well trained, well disciplined. less than 10 minutes. Not a hour later some officers ignore orders and go in - like in Texas. Fast response is the top priority in training for these situations. And in Tulsa it worked.

BTW: Not that it matters. The shooter was not happy with the outcome of a surgery he had a week or so before, so on the 29th he purchase a semi-automatic hand gun (.40 Cal) and on the day of the shooting he purchase an AR-15 style weapon. 30 casings of 0.223 were found on the scene, and 8(? something like that) casing of .40 found on the scene. He left a letter saying he was going to kill the doctor and anyone that got into his way. It took him almost 40 rounds to accomplish his goal. I guess others ( like patients and doctors) got in his way.

EDITED to remove comment about facts that some found offensive. Facts are facts, unless you don't like them I guess.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2101899)
We may never be able to agree on "common sense", but maybe we could agree on "do-able".

There are 400 million "assault rifles" in private hands, but only a few thousand potential mass murderers. Removing either from society would require a constitutional amendment, or what we usually do -- simply ignore the Constitution. The obvious choice seems like simple math.

The beauty of it is, the lunatics actually use Big Tech to tell us who they are -- if we could just get Big Tech to imagine that an 18-year old kid who says he's going to use his new AR to murder his grandma and then shoot up the grade school down the street is at least as dangerous as a Mom who doesn't want to shoot up her kid with a vaccine that doesn't appear to actually prevent people from getting Covid!

But if you say that's not "common sense", I guess I'm out of ideas.

Slick deflection to Covid.

Papa_lecki 06-02-2022 02:06 PM

Seeing how popular Shooters World is, I would guess TV has a high per capita gun ownership rate and a very low per capita homicide rate.

Are the guns in The Villages different, that they donโ€™t kill people, like the do in Detroit?

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101905)
Like ABC, NBC, CBS, and MSNBC?????

Keep guessing, you are getting warm.........hint UK ownership.

golfing eagles 06-02-2022 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2101937)
Seeing how popular Shooters World is, I would guess TV has a high per capita gun ownership rate and a very low per capita homicide rate.

Are the guns in The Villages different, that they donโ€™t kill people, like the do in Detroit?

Maybe. The guns are old, their muzzle velocity has slowed down, the bullets are softer and the trigger is rusty ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mike234 (Post 2101910)
quit saying it is a mental health issue. lives should not depend on some mental person, forgetting to take his or her pill in the morning.....they belong in jail.

Yes, there should be a mental health test......every 2 years. ?????? I wonder how many here in TV Land would pass. I remember a tennis player here that definitely would NOT pass. And one of my neighbors, I have serious doubts about.

jimjamuser 06-02-2022 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2101933)
They need them for hunting ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

The deer better watch out......meat prices are skyrocketing!

Kenswing 06-02-2022 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2101934)
I just watched the Chief of Police in Tulsa giving the timeline.

Less than 10 minutes after the 911 call, police were on the second floor of the Doctors office building where the shooting took place. The scene (2nd floor) was described as a complicate place for the officers and posed particular problems. THEY were yelling, "Tulsa Police". A minute later the shooter shoot himself.

Well trained, well disciplined. less than 10 minutes. Not a hour later some officers ignore orders and go in - like in Texas. Fast response is the top priority in training for these situations. And in Tulsa it worked.

BTW: Not that it matters. The shooter was not happy with the outcome of a surgery he had a week or so before, so on the 29th he purchase a semi-automatic hand gun (.40 Cal) and on the day of the shooting he purchase an AR-15 style weapon. 30 casings of 0.223 were found on the scene, and 8(? something like that) casing of .40 found on the scene. He left a letter saying he was going to kill the doctor and anyone that got into his way. It took him almost 40 rounds to accomplish his goal. I guess others ( like patients and doctors) got in his way.

And one last point. And I am NOT saying this is why there was so much difference between the two shootings. But, the victims in Texas were poor minority children, and the victims in Tulsa were rich white guys.

Uvalde is city with a population of 16,000 with a police force that reflects that number. Tulsa has a population of 400,000. Who do you expect to have a better trained and staffed police department?

Then your race baiting at the end is just sick!

MartinSE 06-02-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2101947)
Uvalde is city with a population of 16,000 with a police force that reflects that number. Tulsa has a population of 400,000. Who do you expect to have a better trained and staffed police department?

Then your race baiting at the end is just sick!

I drew no conclusions OTHER than I said the Tulsa Police were better trained.

I drew NO conclusions in my observation of differences in the victims. My statement was true. In Uvalde nothing happened until a Childs father arrived and went in.

You can draw any conclusions you want, please do not attribute your opinions to my comment. Draw your own conclusions.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-02-2022 03:29 PM

Christianity - oh yeah. That's a good one. The religion that did the whole "convert or die" thing back during the Crusades. The thing that had Englanders rushing to the New World to escape persecution because their version of Christianity wasn't the "right kind."

Christianity - the #1 religion in Oklahoma, where over 75% of the population is some denomination or another of Christian.

Here's some clues: the majority of mass shooters in the USA were NOT athiests. Lack of universal background checks made it easier for them to get more guns and more ammo. Having universal background checks would likely not have stopped most of them. But it would've made it harder for them to get.

I'm not for a weapons ban - banning weapons doesn't stop weapons from being sold. But I am in favor of halting the manufacture of semi-automatics and retail sales. In other words - any currently in circulation should still be allowed to be in circulation. But from now on - any (semi-automatics) made will be for the military and the police, via contract. So there's 100% accountability in the chain of distribution.

I'm also for the clips that hold lots of rounds being restricted (not banned) to military/police use only. I don't know how many rounds, but certainly no one needs more than a couple of bullets to hit their target if they're properly trained.

I'm also for mandatory training and licensing, just as we do for driving motor vehicles.

MartinSE 06-02-2022 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2101941)
Yes, there should be a mental health test......every 2 years. ?????? I wonder how many here in TV Land would pass. I remember a tennis player here that definitely would NOT pass. And one of my neighbors, I have serious doubts about.

Wait, didn't we just dump all the mentally ill out? Who was it that defunded the mental health institutions. Oh, now I remember. The ones calling shooters crazy and blaming mental health for all the deaths. The ones that didn't "fix" that when they controlled 3 branches of government. And yet, here they all are again blaming mental health, but not willing to fund it. And still, they couldn't wait to go into recess and NOT propose a mental health funding bill, that they say is the problem.

justjim 06-02-2022 05:35 PM

Prior to 2004 there was a ban on โ€œAssault weaponsโ€ but it expired. Were things better then? Just askingโ€ฆ.


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