Originally Posted by michgary (Post 2349087)

The union camera crew quit days before days before because of safety concerns,,, they knew something was not right,, which was that target practice was going on with live rounds during off hours.
That is the responsibility of the producer,, to have a safe set to film a movie. Do you really think Baldwin did not know there was target practice taking place on set ,, kinda loud to miss. Why did the union cam crew quit for safety?
Baldwin was negligent in the least,, or who is in charge?
Nobody?

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2348837)

I’ve worked on film/tv sets for 30 years with plenty of guns. For the gun to get handed off to an actor is the full responsibility of the Armorer. That person’s job is to lock up the gun, NEVER have live rounds on set, only blanks, but most importantly, that gun cannot leave that persons hands until both the first AD and Armorer look inside the gun to make sure nothing is stuck in there ( Brandon Lee ) which was a union rule put in place because of Brandon Lee getting shot and killed on set years ago. Once that’s done the AD will yell out “cold gun on set” I’m also curious why they’d even use a real gun for a rehearsal instead of the rubber one. But so many things went wrong on this set. First, union camera crew quit days before due to safety issues. The armorer had just been fired from a Nick Cage movie because nobody felt safe with her. She was new to the job. IMO the Line Producer is just as guilty for hiring her and non union crews on a union shoot to save money. When shows try to save money and hire less experienced people bad things happen. I worked in Atlanta for 8 years on a tv series and one of our camera assistants was killed by a train because they were told they COULD NOT shoot on a live train track but the producer/director decided to take a small crew and call it a “rehearsal” but actually filmed and my friend was killed. That director was in prison all of maybe 2 years and is still making movies. Meanwhile, I wanted to shoot a scene on a sidewalk with a parking lot in between the train tracks and was told NOT SAFE so I picked another spot.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349092)

The weapons are the responsibility of the armorer.

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2349094)

You are correct. The NM state law governs, not "Hollywood rules".

Alec was criminally negligent both as a producer and as an individual. A scene was not being shot so he was not acting at that time. On his own hook he was fooling around with a loaded revolver without checking it for live rounds even though it had been used with live rounds to shoot at targets. He pointed the weapon at the poor woman and pulled the trigger, killing her and then denied pulling the trigger to the police. I hope and pray he ends up rotting in the state prison in Santa Fe but fear he will walk. The writing is on the wall with the ruling this judge already made. Very sad...

Originally Posted by frayedends (Post 2349288)

He knew it was a real gun and he murdered a person with it.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2349291)

A murder charge under these circumstances would definitely be a not guilty verdict.

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2349297)

Agreed.

People don't kill people, guns kill people.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2349298)

Well, a gun and a person were certainly involved in the death of the poor lady.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2349291)

A murder charge under these circumstances would definitely be a not guilty verdict.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2348837)

I’ve worked on film/tv sets for 30 years with plenty of guns. For the gun to get handed off to an actor is the full responsibility of the Armorer. That person’s job is to lock up the gun, NEVER have live rounds on set, only blanks, but most importantly, that gun cannot leave that persons hands until both the first AD and Armorer look inside the gun to make sure nothing is stuck in there ( Brandon Lee ) which was a union rule put in place because of Brandon Lee getting shot and killed on set years ago. Once that’s done the AD will yell out “cold gun on set” I’m also curious why they’d even use a real gun for a rehearsal instead of the rubber one. But so many things went wrong on this set. First, union camera crew quit days before due to safety issues. The armorer had just been fired from a Nick Cage movie because nobody felt safe with her. She was new to the job. IMO the Line Producer is just as guilty for hiring her and non union crews on a union shoot to save money. When shows try to save money and hire less experienced people bad things happen. I worked in Atlanta for 8 years on a tv series and one of our camera assistants was killed by a train because they were told they COULD NOT shoot on a live train track but the producer/director decided to take a small crew and call it a “rehearsal” but actually filmed and my friend was killed. That director was in prison all of maybe 2 years and is still making movies. Meanwhile, I wanted to shoot a scene on a sidewalk with a parking lot in between the train tracks and was told NOT SAFE so I picked another spot.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2349324)

Wow how can they be so careless?

Originally Posted by frayedends (Post 2349321)

I consider manslaughter a form of murder.