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Kelevision 07-13-2024 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2349596)
Except he didn't... Shooting someone who is on top of you, banging your head into the sidewalk is in no way murder... By ANY legal definition...

Um….. what?!?! Martin was visiting relatives at the time of the shooting.Zimmerman became suspicious of Martin and called police; Zimmerman attacked Martin and then shot him with a pistol he was licensed to carry.

In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense, although Martin had no weapon.

I guess a 17 year old with skittles would seem very dangerous to an unstable person carrying a gun.

Kelevision 07-13-2024 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2349004)
I checked out the background of the judge. She was appointed by former governor Bill Richardson who largely is responsible for providing incentives to get the film industry into New Mexico. She should have recused herself.

Mary Marlowe Sommer - Ballotpedia

Oh please….. the prosecutors hid evidence that would’ve helped the Baldwin case and why is it when things don’t go your way, you people cry foul. Would the judge have been okay if she’d done the wrong thing just because Alec made fun of your King? Haha

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-13-2024 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2349612)
Um….. what?!?! Martin was visiting relatives at the time of the shooting.Zimmerman became suspicious of Martin and called police; Zimmerman attacked Martin and then shot him with a pistol he was licensed to carry.

In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense, although Martin had no weapon.

I guess a 17 year old with skittles would seem very dangerous to an unstable person carrying a gun.

Zimmerman has a history of violence, several times involving a firearm in his possession. He's been charged with assault and threatening multiple times over the years and has been set free every single time so far. Zimmerman is trash.

frayedends 07-13-2024 07:11 AM

I didn't watch any of it, but the consensus among people on a gun forum I frequent was the prosecution was a total mess. No matter what any of us thought the outcome should be, they all agreed it would be dismissed or found innocent because the prosecution was horrible.

frayedends 07-13-2024 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2349612)
Um….. what?!?! Martin was visiting relatives at the time of the shooting.Zimmerman became suspicious of Martin and called police; Zimmerman attacked Martin and then shot him with a pistol he was licensed to carry.

In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense, although Martin had no weapon.

I guess a 17 year old with skittles would seem very dangerous to an unstable person carrying a gun.

The skittles and Arizona drink were for him to make a drug with codein, which he had literally posted about making since 2011. He was smashing Zimmerman's head against the ground when he was shot. It was a self defense shooting.

None of that means I don't think Zim is a scumbag. His actions since that shooting have proved it multiple times. But Martin was a druggy thug and no attempts by the media to portray him otherwise change that fact. The media even altered pictures of Martin to make him look like a nice innocent kid, when in fact his posted pics show otherwise.

Stu from NYC 07-13-2024 07:34 AM

Guess the prosecutors should be in the process of finding new careers.

manaboutown 07-13-2024 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349611)
A fair result given the mishandling and lying about the evidence.

Why is it fair that a killer who lied to police about pulling the trigger and is as guilty as sin walks?

Stu from NYC 07-13-2024 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2349663)
Why is it fair that a killer who lied to police about pulling the trigger and is as guilty as sin walks?

Not fair at all

Two Bills 07-13-2024 09:06 AM

Justice and the law are two different animals.
There should be some heads mounted on a wall, at the prosecutor's office.

LeRoySmith 07-13-2024 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2349693)
Justice and the law are two different animals.
There should be some heads mounted on a wall, at the prosecutor's office.

One of these days, when 'they' come to their senses and make me grand poobah and supreme ruler, things will be different.

Taltarzac725 07-13-2024 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2349663)
Why is it fair that a killer who lied to police about pulling the trigger and is as guilty as sin walks?

How do you know what actually happened? He would have had post traumatic stress problems after seeing the gun putting real bullets into his co-workers. His memory probably is not all that good. He was given a "cold gun". Someone he trusted told him that.

justjim 07-13-2024 11:40 AM

Karma working the best IMHO. The only guilt was he “trusted” others too much. He was not at fault and karma is alive and well in this case. Time to move on.

manaboutown 07-13-2024 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349734)
How do you know what actually happened? He would have had post traumatic stress problems after seeing the gun putting real bullets into his co-workers. His memory probably is not all that good. He was given a "cold gun". Someone he trusted told him that.

The world knows what happened, including the judge. Without checking to see if the revolver was loaded while fooling with it on his own time, not in a scene being filmed, Baldwin aimed the revolver at that poor woman, pulled the trigger, and shot her stone cold dead. Then he lied to the police, stating he did not pull the trigger. Those are the facts of the matter.

Taltarzac725 07-13-2024 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2349740)
The world knows what happened, including the judge. Without checking to see if the revolver was loaded while fooling with it on his own time, not in a scene being filmed, Baldwin aimed the revolver at that poor woman, pulled the trigger, and shot her stone cold dead. Then he lied to the police, stating he did not pull the trigger. Those are the facts of the matter.

Facts do not need spinning. They just are.

manaboutown 07-13-2024 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349754)
Facts do not need spinning. They just are.

That is my point.

Marathon Man 07-13-2024 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2349740)
The world knows what happened, including the judge. Without checking to see if the revolver was loaded while fooling with it on his own time, not in a scene being filmed, Baldwin aimed the revolver at that poor woman, pulled the trigger, and shot her stone cold dead. Then he lied to the police, stating he did not pull the trigger. Those are the facts of the matter.

Did Alec Baldwin step on your toe or something? You seem to have a genuine hatred of him.

Taltarzac725 07-13-2024 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2349759)
Did Alec Baldwin step on your toe or something? You seem to have a genuine hatred of him.

I do not want to get into trouble. But think about how many people have seen Baldwin on a certain show?

I have no idea what kind of person Alec Baldwin is but he does a good job on some shows. He is a talented actor.

I need to not spell it out.

Stu from NYC 07-13-2024 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2349759)
Did Alec Baldwin step on your toe or something? You seem to have a genuine hatred of him.

From what we have heard he should not get away with killing that poor woman.

Carelessness is no excuse

frayedends 07-13-2024 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2349759)
Did Alec Baldwin step on your toe or something? You seem to have a genuine hatred of him.

I have a genuine hatred of him. He goes spouting off his anti-gun rhetoric for years and believes no citizen should own a gun. But between me and him, only one of us has shot and killed an innocent person. He's a total scumbag.

I'm baffled by the posts saying his only error was trusting someone else. Is there anyone in this thread that thinks they'd get released if they shot someone, using the excuse, "I didn't know it was loaded, someone else told me it wasn't."

Nope, every one of us would be sent to prison. Every single one of us. But he goes free. It isn't right. The prosecution is to blame.

Taltarzac725 07-13-2024 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by frayedends (Post 2349785)
I have a genuine hatred of him. He goes spouting off his anti-gun rhetoric for years and believes no citizen should own a gun. But between me and him, only one of us has shot and killed an innocent person. He's a total scumbag.

I'm baffled by the posts saying his only error was trusting someone else. Is there anyone in this thread that thinks they'd get released if they shot someone, using the excuse, "I didn't know it was loaded, someone else told me it wasn't."

Nope, every one of us would be sent to prison. Every single one of us. But he goes free. It isn't right. The prosecution is to blame.

It is not his job on a movie set to check the ammunition. And again he was told it was a "cold gun". This is very different from someone in their own home pointing a gun at a burglar. Or some kid thinking that his pistol was full of blanks while goofing off his house.

frayedends 07-13-2024 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349788)
It is not his job on a movie set to check the ammunition. And again he was told it was a "cold gun". This is very different from someone in their own home pointing a gun at a burglar. Or some kid thinking that his pistol was full of blanks while goofing off his house.

It is not different. I've used this analogy a few times. If I were at a gun range, and the range safety officer handed me a gun, told me it wasn't loaded, and I shot and killed someone, I would go to jail.

The person responsible is the person holding the firearm. He claims to be a gun expert. He did not check his gun. He knew it was used for real target shooting. "Not my job". Give me a break. Of course it's his job. He ignored all the gun safety rules.

Kenswing 07-13-2024 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by frayedends (Post 2349792)
It is not different. I've used this analogy a few times. If I were at a gun range, and the range safety officer handed me a gun, told me it wasn't loaded, and I shot and killed someone, I would go to jail.

The person responsible is the person holding the firearm. He claims to be a gun expert. He did not check his gun. He knew it was used for real target shooting. "Not my job". Give me a break. Of course it's his job. He ignored all the gun safety rules.

I’m afraid you’re wasting your breath. Some people don’t understand or don’t want to understand what gun safety and responsibility are.

Taltarzac725 07-13-2024 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2349795)
I’m afraid you’re wasting your breath. Some people don’t understand or don’t want to understand what gun safety and responsibility are.

Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

If Baldwin pointed a gun at someone outside of a movie set and it went off he like anyone else should be charged for some kind of crime depending on the circumstances.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-13-2024 03:57 PM

To this day, if someone handed me a gun and told me it was unloaded, I'd probably take their word for it - right before I gave it back to them. I know nothing about how to handle firearms, how to open chambers, how to deal with a safety, which kind of firearm has them and which don't, or what they look like. I don't know what it feels like to pull a trigger, or how to properly hold a firearm that I don't plan on shooting.

I wouldn't ever be found at a shooting range. There are more firearms owned by Americans, than there are Americans who own firearms. Millions of Americans don't possess any firearms at all, and have no interest in them. Assuming that "everyone" knows that you have to open a gun to check for ammunition is a pretty horrible assumption. Especially since there are millions of us who have no idea how to even do that and are NOT interested in looking it up to satisfy your argument that we should know.

frayedends 07-13-2024 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2349801)
To this day, if someone handed me a gun and told me it was unloaded, I'd probably take their word for it - right before I gave it back to them. I know nothing about how to handle firearms, how to open chambers, how to deal with a safety, which kind of firearm has them and which don't, or what they look like. I don't know what it feels like to pull a trigger, or how to properly hold a firearm that I don't plan on shooting.

I wouldn't ever be found at a shooting range. There are more firearms owned by Americans, than there are Americans who own firearms. Millions of Americans don't possess any firearms at all, and have no interest in them. Assuming that "everyone" knows that you have to open a gun to check for ammunition is a pretty horrible assumption. Especially since there are millions of us who have no idea how to even do that and are NOT interested in looking it up to satisfy your argument that we should know.

Baldwin is a firearms expert. Just ask him. Plus if it was your job to know, you would know.

Kenswing 07-13-2024 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349799)
Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

If Baldwin pointed a gun at someone outside of a movie set and it went off he like anyone else should be charged for some kind of crime depending on the circumstances.

I know we’ve argued this in the past so I’ll stop with this post. Firearm safety doesn’t stop at some imaginary line. If a person doesn’t understand firearm safety they shouldn’t be handling a firearm. If you need to train every actor, producer and production assistant on the set in the safe handling of a firearm so be it. The ultimate responsibility for firearm safety is the person holding the gun. Period.

NoMoSno 07-13-2024 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349799)
Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

Why would it be a terrible mistake?
I bet Baldwin will be checking from now on.

LeRoySmith 07-13-2024 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 2349804)
I know we’ve argued this in the past so I’ll stop with this post. Firearm safety doesn’t stop at some imaginary line. If a person doesn’t understand firearm safety they shouldn’t be handling a firearm. If you need to train every actor, producer and production assistant on the set in the safe handling of a firearm so be it. The ultimate responsibility for firearm safety is the person holding the gun. Period.

You are correct

Stu from NYC 07-13-2024 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349799)
Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

You are wrong. He Was holding a weapon and he pointed and pulled the trigger on this weapon without taking the trouble to check if it was loaded. Terrible and he should be jailed for it.

Taltarzac725 07-13-2024 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2349810)
You are wrong. He Was holding a weapon and he pointed and pulled the trigger on this weapon without taking the trouble to check if it was loaded. Terrible and he should be jailed for it.

On a movie set!

JMintzer 07-13-2024 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2349612)
Um….. what?!?! Martin was visiting relatives at the time of the shooting.Zimmerman became suspicious of Martin and called police; Zimmerman attacked Martin and then shot him with a pistol he was licensed to carry.

In a widely reported trial, Zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder for Martin's death, but acquitted by the jury after claiming self-defense, although Martin had no weapon.

I guess a 17 year old with skittles would seem very dangerous to an unstable person carrying a gun.

Incorrect nonsense. Zimmerman DID NOT attack anyone... NO where was that false information reported, nor did it come out during the trial...

JMintzer 07-13-2024 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2349649)
Zimmerman has a history of violence, several times involving a firearm in his possession. He's been charged with assault and threatening multiple times over the years and has been set free every single time so far. Zimmerman is trash.

Those charges were dropped and are irrelevant to the current discussion...

JMintzer 07-13-2024 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349788)
It is not his job on a movie set to check the ammunition. And again he was told it was a "cold gun". This is very different from someone in their own home pointing a gun at a burglar. Or some kid thinking that his pistol was full of blanks while goofing off his house.

Strange reply to a statement that said one of that...

JMintzer 07-13-2024 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349799)
Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

If Baldwin pointed a gun at someone outside of a movie set and it went off he like anyone else should be charged for some kind of crime depending on the circumstances.

It "went off"... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 07-13-2024 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349812)
On a movie set!

The location doesn't matter...

manaboutown 07-13-2024 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349812)
On a movie set!

But not during a filming. It could have been in a dive bar or just about anywhere. Alec was carelessly playing with a loaded revolver. He aimed at and shot and killed that poor woman in cold blood.

manaboutown 07-13-2024 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349799)
Movie set! It would be a terrible mistake to expect actors on a set to check their guns for real bullets every time they pick up a weapon.

If Baldwin pointed a gun at someone outside of a movie set and it went off he like anyone else should be charged for some kind of crime depending on the circumstances.

And he was charged because he carelessly aimed a loaded revolver without checking it at a woman, pulled the trigger and shot her on his own hook. Most significantly a scene was not being shot! A judge who should have recused herself was looking for a technicality to let him walk and she got one.

Stu from NYC 07-13-2024 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2349812)
On a movie set!

Why does it matter where he was at the time?

ThirdOfFive 07-14-2024 01:52 AM

Charges dismissed with prejudice: Judge ruled that the prosecution withheld evidence.

Stu from NYC 07-14-2024 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2349858)
Charges dismissed with prejudice: Judge ruled that the prosecution withheld evidence.

Wonder if prosecution was paid off or just incompetent


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