Ihre Papiere bitte.

Although I haven't posted on TOTV in quite awhile, I attempt to read some of the posts with my morning coffee, both for amusement and occasional useful information. I have found posting to be mostly futile and have, therefore, refrained from that activity. HOWEVER, every now and then along comes a comment or post from someone who exhibits a complete understanding of the issue as well as the resultant "fallout". I am very thankful that there is still a remnant of Americans who understand what America is supposed to be about and you stated it so eloquently! Again ... thank you.


I am confident and sad that, when future historians write about the decline and fall of the United States, the failure of the press to inform the people will be counted as a principle cause. Charles Reese (Orlando Sentinel columnist) Nov '99

That has negative connotations so they do not teach that in public schools anymore. No one younger than us will know what you are referring to. :ohdear:

What will be interesting is when the destination requires a booster requirement. How will they determine when you should have had the booster? Everyone gets their vaccinations at differing times and a booster might be given every six months or so. How will they decide when you are current? It's all a bunch of hysterical panic brought on by weak minded or power hungry people. I have traveled to many countries in my lifetime and very seldom have I been required to provide vaccination proof UNLESS I apply for a visa in a country requiring certain vaccinations. I can't even remember the last country where I had to provide my shot record. I am not saying that countries do not request it, just that I don't remember any of them that have in my experience.
AA is only providing a service, not a requirement........yet.

I am sure that there are those that are glad that you do not own a cruise ship.

Sure and they can put it right next to the "tramp stamp" or "whale tail" or whatever they call it today...........:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

You can laugh about that, but I have read a study regarding the putting of dye in the vaccine so that folks will be able to SEE proof of vaccination. Of course, that is also easy to copy at your nearest tattoo parlor.

The heading on this post leads one to believe that you can’t fly AA if you’re not vaccinated which is not true. If your destination requires that you be vaccinated it makes sense to be sure people are vaccinated, just like requiring a passport on an international flight. That’s a big difference from insinuating that this is just the beginning of forcing airline passengers to produce proof of vaccination to board a plane.

Great example of entitlement
 

Great example of "I want what I want, doesn't matter what you want." I want to require everyone else to get a vaccine and have to prove it but I don't care that it might be more convenient/efficient/cost effective to do it electronically and I want to create a whole new govt bureaucracy because I want a physical Id. There is so much wrong with this (beginning with everyone must be vaccinated to be able to fly). And they call the ones who don't feel the need to wear a mask or get vaccinated the selfish ones.

Proof of vaccine is just another step to track you and bring you to the world of socialism and all that brings to this once great country. 🥺😡🥺

Cruise lines are in the same "boat" (no pun intended) if they want to home port in Florida. The cruise lines will not be able to call on ports in foreign countries if those countries require proof of Covid vaccination. Imposing a ban on businesses who need to require proof of vaccination will certainly hinder the operation of cruise lines who wish to home port in Florida.

If this is really occurring, it is criminal and I am appalled.

PLEASE, PLEASE let this be true. When push comes to shove, this will eliminate the forgeries that non-vaccinated people will undoubtedly try to get away with if proof of vaccination is required for whatever.

I guess the people who have no cell phones or use basic flip phones and don't use apps at all will not be able to fly?

Maybe the current administration will give away "free" smartphones to those they determine need them:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Covid just may change that scenario you described, and it is already happening........

COVID travel restrictions: Where fully vaccinated Americans can go

There are PLENTY of folks who will not set one foot on a cruise ship unless all passengers and crew are vaccinated (at least for the start up of cruising). Have you been to the cruise forums? There are a few anti-vaxxers and hesitant vaxxers that are whining like you wouldn't believe because they are not able to board a cruise ship. Wha Wha Wha Wha Wha and it is so damn comical. They make me chuckle just like the folks on this forum that are so opposed to that "government control".

Absolutely correct SO FAR regarding the airlines. Not so, however, for cruise lines. Proof of vaccination is required to board a cruise ship. I can't wait to see how this new Florida law that DeSantis orchestrated that bans businesses from requesting proof of vaccination will shake out. AND, there is no exception for cruise lines.

Then what type of "mark or tattoo" (that was being proposed) would you suggest?

The recipients would just sell the free government provided phones in order to pay for their fake vaccination cards.

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Cruise lines have been given ridiculous guidelines by the CDC in order to cruise to include masks by the pool and at the dinner table which the industry is fighting back on. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Absolutely true as everyone who has been vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study and being tracked by local health departments and the federal government to see what the results of the vaccine are in the short term, and long term.

you can say the same thing about being prescribed a new medicine. there have been many cases of medications being pulled from the market after side effects that did not present in trials became more evident with widespread use.

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

One step closer to socialism. Government trying to control our lives. What's next tatoos?

That's just a more modern, "hotter" version of what I posted! ;)

NCL is looking elsewhere to home port. The CDC is ridiculous, especially when NCL is guaranteeing FULLY vaccinated ships.......

From the NCL website: "Our cruises will operate with 100% vaccination of guests and crew through 10/31/21, therefore face coverings are not required but are highly recommended where physical distancing is not possible indoors for cruises prior to 10/31/21."

Tracking is a good thing. Even when medications have full FDA approval, isn't there some form of tracking adverse reactions? How else can they pull medications that have been sold with full FDA approval from the market? Zantac and Vicodin come to mind. Those drugs had full FDA approval and sold for many years yet were pulled from shelves. How did they know there were problems if not for receiving adverse side side effects reports? I'm sure these vaccines will be tracked and studied for many years beyond FDA approval. I have no problem with that.

That is a good thing. No? I get it. These vaccines only have emergency use authorization. It was either that or have many more millions of people die of Covid. It was an excellent option to save millions of lives.

Oh stop with the tattoo talk. That is ridiculous and you know it and so does everyone else who says the same thing about tattoos. Government control? Nah. Just public health to keep us safe.

And your proof of this or evidence of this or anything to show you didn't make it up yourself is.......

It is quite likely that my name is associated with the information you mention in some database somewhere. My name is associated with many pieces of information in many databases somewhere. That doesn't mean the databases are being actively used to track me.

It was suggested as a viable option by another poster...

Sadly, logic and practicality tend to get lost in this crowd. Thanks for a reasonable response though.

So you conformed to that other poster's idea.

Because, you conform, automatically. It's just what you do.

Like if someone said "hey let's show proof that we're vaccinated!" you'll conform.

Or if someone said, "hey let's overturn the government and storm the capitol and try to kill the VP" you'd conform.

Because someone else said it/did it/posted it first.

Believe that if you wish but every vaccinated person is being tracked by the local health dept with their name and identifying info along with the type of vaccine, dates administered, and batch numbers. I never said it was a bad thing, just that it’s a real thing as all vaccinated people are part of the ongoing clinical research.

Other than your name, what other "identifying" info did they get about you?

So then you have nothing but your assertion.

Since I didn't get my vaccination locally, I'm pretty sure the Sumter County Health Dept. has no information on me. Of course, I can't know that absolutely, but I know enough about how Govt works to feel safe with my statement.

They have all the information that you placed on the form that you filled out to include your name, date of birth, address, phone # along with your vaccination dates/type/batch number which is all in their database computer system. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but I am saying that it’s a fact that the local health dept in the area where you get vaccinated has all of this information.