Talk of The Villages Florida

Talk of The Villages Florida (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/)
-   Current Events and News (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/)
-   -   American Airlines New Vaccinated Requirement (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/current-events-news-541/american-airlines-new-vaccinated-requirement-319899/)

Rodneysblue 05-22-2021 09:12 AM

Ihre Papiere bitte.

ffresh 05-22-2021 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiltongrizz11 (Post 1948453)
Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? You're okay with having to present your papers however you don't like the method that they're presented? That's where you make the stand?

I'm so disappointed that you and every American who is okay with surrendering health information to private companies on governmental request or company request is okay with it. That just shows you how far we've come and how far we've slid. All the people that fought for our freedom and the revolutionary war would have blood in their eyes knowing this. We aren't asked to die on a battlefield All we have to do is take a stand over stupid stuff like this and we pansie out and justify it. Accepting his requirements is wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Although I haven't posted on TOTV in quite awhile, I attempt to read some of the posts with my morning coffee, both for amusement and occasional useful information. I have found posting to be mostly futile and have, therefore, refrained from that activity. HOWEVER, every now and then along comes a comment or post from someone who exhibits a complete understanding of the issue as well as the resultant "fallout". I am very thankful that there is still a remnant of Americans who understand what America is supposed to be about and you stated it so eloquently! Again ... thank you.


I am confident and sad that, when future historians write about the decline and fall of the United States, the failure of the press to inform the people will be counted as a principle cause. Charles Reese (Orlando Sentinel columnist) Nov '99

Byte1 05-22-2021 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvmurray (Post 1948454)
This is starting to remind me of something I learned in history class --- vee must show das papers, or off to das showers!!!

Guess that is why they don't like history being taught.

That has negative connotations so they do not teach that in public schools anymore. No one younger than us will know what you are referring to. :ohdear:

Byte1 05-22-2021 09:42 AM

What will be interesting is when the destination requires a booster requirement. How will they determine when you should have had the booster? Everyone gets their vaccinations at differing times and a booster might be given every six months or so. How will they decide when you are current? It's all a bunch of hysterical panic brought on by weak minded or power hungry people. I have traveled to many countries in my lifetime and very seldom have I been required to provide vaccination proof UNLESS I apply for a visa in a country requiring certain vaccinations. I can't even remember the last country where I had to provide my shot record. I am not saying that countries do not request it, just that I don't remember any of them that have in my experience.
AA is only providing a service, not a requirement........yet.

Byte1 05-22-2021 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1948704)
Oh come on.....its not really giving up your medical record....its a yes or no answer. And they have every right to ask it. If I owned a cruise ship...hell no you are not getting on without the shot. End of story.

I am sure that there are those that are glad that you do not own a cruise ship.

Byte1 05-22-2021 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MollyJo (Post 1948625)
Tattoo? With every vaccine? I’m against tattoos 😂

Sure and they can put it right next to the "tramp stamp" or "whale tail" or whatever they call it today...........:1rotfl: :1rotfl: :1rotfl:

Byte1 05-22-2021 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dwhite5773 (Post 1948699)
Microchip in the COVID shot! Yep!

You can laugh about that, but I have read a study regarding the putting of dye in the vaccine so that folks will be able to SEE proof of vaccination. Of course, that is also easy to copy at your nearest tattoo parlor.

Pat2015 05-22-2021 10:12 AM

The heading on this post leads one to believe that you can’t fly AA if you’re not vaccinated which is not true. If your destination requires that you be vaccinated it makes sense to be sure people are vaccinated, just like requiring a passport on an international flight. That’s a big difference from insinuating that this is just the beginning of forcing airline passengers to produce proof of vaccination to board a plane.

WVB#1 05-22-2021 10:17 AM

Great example of entitlement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1948247)
I am very much in favor of having a proof of vaccination and people being required to have one to fly. I just don't want the verification to be in the form of an app. Why does everything have to be through an app. I am not surgically attached to my phone. How about we just get a government issued verification card similar to a drivers license, or better yet the verification can be linked to ones TSA pre-check account?

Great example of "I want what I want, doesn't matter what you want." I want to require everyone else to get a vaccine and have to prove it but I don't care that it might be more convenient/efficient/cost effective to do it electronically and I want to create a whole new govt bureaucracy because I want a physical Id. There is so much wrong with this (beginning with everyone must be vaccinated to be able to fly). And they call the ones who don't feel the need to wear a mask or get vaccinated the selfish ones.

cassjax2 05-22-2021 10:53 AM

Proof of vaccine is just another step to track you and bring you to the world of socialism and all that brings to this once great country. 🥺😡🥺

coffeebean 05-22-2021 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1948499)
If you want to travel and there is a vaccination requirement at your destination the carrier is usually required to verify that you have had your shots before boarding you. It has been this way for decades. It only became a political issue when people politicized an infectious disease when COVID19 assaulted humanity. It is not difficult, if you want to travel to “E” and they require a vaccination for for COVID19, yellow fever or whatever; get the shot & show the proof, or don’t go. With every freedom come a responsibility. If you want the freedom to travel, you are responsible for meeting the host’s requirements.

Cruise lines are in the same "boat" (no pun intended) if they want to home port in Florida. The cruise lines will not be able to call on ports in foreign countries if those countries require proof of Covid vaccination. Imposing a ban on businesses who need to require proof of vaccination will certainly hinder the operation of cruise lines who wish to home port in Florida.

coffeebean 05-22-2021 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 1948520)
Funny, they are not stopping all the illegal aliens for a vac card to enter the US or get on a bus or plane as they are being distributed to 48 states. Credible reports are they are not being tested and have 10 times the number of positive cases.

If this is really occurring, it is criminal and I am appalled.

coffeebean 05-22-2021 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1948530)
Yes you can upload your report card, but it's not legally required for travel in the US, the important word is travel in the US, however, is still required for many countries outside of the US. PS did you know the government as a master health file on you whether you've gotten vaccinated or not? It's true.

PLEASE, PLEASE let this be true. When push comes to shove, this will eliminate the forgeries that non-vaccinated people will undoubtedly try to get away with if proof of vaccination is required for whatever.

Gulfcoast 05-22-2021 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1948251)
Great in theory, but not everyone has TSA pre-check. And consider the logistical nightmare of getting 330 million cards out there? Just when the last person gets his/hers, then the boosters will come along. Then you have all the problems that come along with a "vaccine passport"---4th amendment rights, HIPPA, those who are allergic, religious objectors, etc.

I guess the people who have no cell phones or use basic flip phones and don't use apps at all will not be able to fly?

golfing eagles 05-22-2021 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gulfcoast (Post 1948824)
I guess the people who have no cell phones or use basic flip phones and don't use apps at all will not be able to fly?

Maybe the current administration will give away "free" smartphones to those they determine need them:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

coffeebean 05-22-2021 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1948755)
What will be interesting is when the destination requires a booster requirement. How will they determine when you should have had the booster? Everyone gets their vaccinations at differing times and a booster might be given every six months or so. How will they decide when you are current? It's all a bunch of hysterical panic brought on by weak minded or power hungry people. I have traveled to many countries in my lifetime and very seldom have I been required to provide vaccination proof UNLESS I apply for a visa in a country requiring certain vaccinations. I can't even remember the last country where I had to provide my shot record. I am not saying that countries do not request it, just that I don't remember any of them that have in my experience.
AA is only providing a service, not a requirement........yet.

Covid just may change that scenario you described, and it is already happening........

COVID travel restrictions: Where fully vaccinated Americans can go

coffeebean 05-22-2021 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1948757)
I am sure that there are those that are glad that you do not own a cruise ship.

There are PLENTY of folks who will not set one foot on a cruise ship unless all passengers and crew are vaccinated (at least for the start up of cruising). Have you been to the cruise forums? There are a few anti-vaxxers and hesitant vaxxers that are whining like you wouldn't believe because they are not able to board a cruise ship. Wha Wha Wha Wha Wha and it is so damn comical. They make me chuckle just like the folks on this forum that are so opposed to that "government control".

coffeebean 05-22-2021 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1948780)
The heading on this post leads one to believe that you can’t fly AA if you’re not vaccinated which is not true. If your destination requires that you be vaccinated it makes sense to be sure people are vaccinated, just like requiring a passport on an international flight. That’s a big difference from insinuating that this is just the beginning of forcing airline passengers to produce proof of vaccination to board a plane.

Absolutely correct SO FAR regarding the airlines. Not so, however, for cruise lines. Proof of vaccination is required to board a cruise ship. I can't wait to see how this new Florida law that DeSantis orchestrated that bans businesses from requesting proof of vaccination will shake out. AND, there is no exception for cruise lines.

JMintzer 05-22-2021 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sallyg (Post 1948650)
No, nothing like that.

Then what type of "mark or tattoo" (that was being proposed) would you suggest?

Gulfcoast 05-22-2021 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1948850)
Maybe the current administration will give away "free" smartphones to those they determine need them:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The recipients would just sell the free government provided phones in order to pay for their fake vaccination cards.

stanley 05-22-2021 12:26 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1948859)
Then what type of "mark or tattoo" (that was being proposed) would you suggest?

....

Pat2015 05-22-2021 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1948856)
Absolutely correct SO FAR regarding the airlines. Not so, however, for cruise lines. Proof of vaccination is required to board a cruise ship. I can't wait to see how this new Florida law that DeSantis orchestrated that bans businesses from requesting proof of vaccination will shake out. AND, there is no exception for cruise lines.

Cruise lines have been given ridiculous guidelines by the CDC in order to cruise to include masks by the pool and at the dinner table which the industry is fighting back on. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Pat2015 05-22-2021 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J1ceasar (Post 1948530)
Yes you can upload your report card, but it's not legally required for travel in the US, the important word is travel in the US, however, is still required for many countries outside of the US. PS did you know the government as a master health file on you whether you've gotten vaccinated or not? It's true.

Absolutely true as everyone who has been vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study and being tracked by local health departments and the federal government to see what the results of the vaccine are in the short term, and long term.

Bonnevie 05-22-2021 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1948879)
Absolutely true as everyone who has been vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study to see what the results of the vaccine are in the short term, and long term.

you can say the same thing about being prescribed a new medicine. there have been many cases of medications being pulled from the market after side effects that did not present in trials became more evident with widespread use.

Pat2015 05-22-2021 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1948880)
you can say the same thing about being prescribed a new medicine. there have been many cases of medications being pulled from the market after side effects that did not present in trials became more evident with widespread use.

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

Pat2015 05-22-2021 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1948880)
you can say the same thing about being prescribed a new medicine. there have been many cases of medications being pulled from the market after side effects that did not present in trials became more evident with widespread use.

Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

rjsantos592 05-22-2021 01:10 PM

One step closer to socialism. Government trying to control our lives. What's next tatoos?

JMintzer 05-22-2021 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1948870)
....

That's just a more modern, "hotter" version of what I posted! ;)

coffeebean 05-22-2021 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1948871)
Cruise lines have been given ridiculous guidelines by the CDC in order to cruise to include masks by the pool and at the dinner table which the industry is fighting back on. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

NCL is looking elsewhere to home port. The CDC is ridiculous, especially when NCL is guaranteeing FULLY vaccinated ships.......

From the NCL website: "Our cruises will operate with 100% vaccination of guests and crew through 10/31/21, therefore face coverings are not required but are highly recommended where physical distancing is not possible indoors for cruises prior to 10/31/21."

coffeebean 05-22-2021 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1948879)
Absolutely true as everyone who has been vaccinated is participating in the ongoing clinical study and being tracked by local health departments and the federal government to see what the results of the vaccine are in the short term, and long term.

Tracking is a good thing. Even when medications have full FDA approval, isn't there some form of tracking adverse reactions? How else can they pull medications that have been sold with full FDA approval from the market? Zantac and Vicodin come to mind. Those drugs had full FDA approval and sold for many years yet were pulled from shelves. How did they know there were problems if not for receiving adverse side side effects reports? I'm sure these vaccines will be tracked and studied for many years beyond FDA approval. I have no problem with that.

coffeebean 05-22-2021 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1948884)
Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

That is a good thing. No? I get it. These vaccines only have emergency use authorization. It was either that or have many more millions of people die of Covid. It was an excellent option to save millions of lives.

coffeebean 05-22-2021 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjsantos592 (Post 1948898)
One step closer to socialism. Government trying to control our lives. What's next tatoos?

Oh stop with the tattoo talk. That is ridiculous and you know it and so does everyone else who says the same thing about tattoos. Government control? Nah. Just public health to keep us safe.

Bill14564 05-22-2021 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1948890)
Not the same as COVID vaccine tracking on everyone who has been vaccinated. The local health dept is not tracking what medications you take but they are tracking and reporting your vaccine type, dates, and batch numbers to study the effects as part of the ongoing clinical study of the side effects and efficiencies of the vaccines.

And your proof of this or evidence of this or anything to show you didn't make it up yourself is.......

It is quite likely that my name is associated with the information you mention in some database somewhere. My name is associated with many pieces of information in many databases somewhere. That doesn't mean the databases are being actively used to track me.

JMintzer 05-22-2021 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1948911)
Oh stop with the tattoo talk. That is ridiculous and you know it and so does everyone else who says the same thing about tattoos. Government control? Nah. Just public health to keep us safe.

It was suggested as a viable option by another poster...

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-22-2021 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astron (Post 1948499)
If you want to travel and there is a vaccination requirement at your destination the carrier is usually required to verify that you have had your shots before boarding you. It has been this way for decades. It only became a political issue when people politicized an infectious disease when COVID19 assaulted humanity. It is not difficult, if you want to travel to “E” and they require a vaccination for for COVID19, yellow fever or whatever; get the shot & show the proof, or don’t go. With every freedom come a responsibility. If you want the freedom to travel, you are responsible for meeting the host’s requirements.

Sadly, logic and practicality tend to get lost in this crowd. Thanks for a reasonable response though.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-22-2021 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1949009)
It was suggested as a viable option by another poster...

So you conformed to that other poster's idea.

Because, you conform, automatically. It's just what you do.

Like if someone said "hey let's show proof that we're vaccinated!" you'll conform.

Or if someone said, "hey let's overturn the government and storm the capitol and try to kill the VP" you'd conform.

Because someone else said it/did it/posted it first.

Pat2015 05-22-2021 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1948992)
And your proof of this or evidence of this or anything to show you didn't make it up yourself is.......

It is quite likely that my name is associated with the information you mention in some database somewhere. My name is associated with many pieces of information in many databases somewhere. That doesn't mean the databases are being actively used to track me.

Believe that if you wish but every vaccinated person is being tracked by the local health dept with their name and identifying info along with the type of vaccine, dates administered, and batch numbers. I never said it was a bad thing, just that it’s a real thing as all vaccinated people are part of the ongoing clinical research.

NoMoSno 05-22-2021 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1949040)
Believe that if you wish but every vaccinated person is being tracked by the local health dept with their name and identifying info along with the type of vaccine, dates administered, and batch numbers. I never said it was a bad thing, just that it’s a real thing as all vaccinated people are part of the ongoing clinical research.

Other than your name, what other "identifying" info did they get about you?

Bill14564 05-22-2021 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1949040)
Believe that if you wish but every vaccinated person is being tracked by the local health dept with their name and identifying info along with the type of vaccine, dates administered, and batch numbers. I never said it was a bad thing, just that it’s a real thing as all vaccinated people are part of the ongoing clinical research.

So then you have nothing but your assertion.

Since I didn't get my vaccination locally, I'm pretty sure the Sumter County Health Dept. has no information on me. Of course, I can't know that absolutely, but I know enough about how Govt works to feel safe with my statement.

Pat2015 05-22-2021 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1949045)
Other than your name, what other "identifying" info did they get about you?

They have all the information that you placed on the form that you filled out to include your name, date of birth, address, phone # along with your vaccination dates/type/batch number which is all in their database computer system. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but I am saying that it’s a fact that the local health dept in the area where you get vaccinated has all of this information.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:38 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO v2.0.32 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2025 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.