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However, we do excel at murdering our children while they learn to read. |
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........It will be impossible to "harden" everything. ........so the solution comes back to the GUN........how to make only a SLOWER rate of fire weapon available in the US to CIVILIANS. Stop selling semi-auto rifles and pistols to civilians. At a minimum, make NO clips that hold more than 5 rounds. Buy them back and melt them down. Civilians should get only bolt actions - Australia and New Zealand did it. The US needs to get over its "frontier mentality" about GUNS! |
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The claim by many experts that English common law is based on Christianity is rooted in Christianity is a result of the "Church of England" (based on Catholic - without the pope) and is a major reason many people came to the US to get away from a state sponsored religion. I recommend the Patriot Papers for more details. And I could point out many other religions that also propose "morals" and "ethics" and "laws". As has been posted, some where is religion referenced in the constitution except the prescription of the government endorsing it. In the western world Christianity has had a very dominate affect on morality and ethics. But, it is not along, and the Constitution is very clear the founders did not want religion playing a role in government. I have NO problem with people practicing their religion, I have a lot of problem with anyone wanting ME to practice their religion. That includes my older brother who has multiple doctorates, with his first as Doctor of Theology, and has been on multiple Presidents ethics/morality advisory counsels, including President Bush, and worked as a Southern Baptist Minister in rather large churches around the country his entire life. He KNOWS better than to "encourage" me to go to church! And he adamantly opposes any infiltration of religion into the government and will not hesitate to let you know why if you ask... LOL! |
Second Amendment | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute
It looks like the interpretation put on The Second Amendment by the Supreme Court has changed a lot over time. |
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Another interesting tidbit I have heard, and I don't know if it is true is that all mass shooting by a single shooter has been males. Maybe we should only allow females to own guns - :) |
District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia
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"Most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christians (54 out of 56). Twenty-seven (27) of them held theology degrees." They based the Declaration upon a greater foundational belief that God, or as written in the Declaration “Creator,” was the source for men’s irrevocable rights. John Quincy Adams, the 6th president of the United States: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: that it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.” I can dig up many other examples of our country being founded on Judeo-Christian values. This has nothing to do with the subject, but I felt compelled to respond to an opinion that was not quite factual. It's only been within the last ten years or so that the Judeo-Christian majority in America dropped below 90% of the population (according to ABC/WAPO polls. If you wish to use Christianity as a cause of killings, why not compare it to the very large Muslim population of the world and how many they kill. You can start in some of the African nations, as an example. Let's not base reasoning and rationalization of murder upon the population of one group. Like I said before and reiterate, guns don't kill, people kill. The idea that guns are the reason or blame for killing is ludicrous. Millions of people own guns and have never used them against another human, let alone even pointed them at anyone. You are not going to eliminate murder, period. You can ban guns, knives, glass bottles, hammers, screw drivers, bats, axes, etc. but you will not eliminate murder. Murder comes from irrational people. People with mental defects. Until you address that, then you will always have murder. We have had murder since the beginning of time. Live with it, but just protect yourself from being the victim. |
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There is also significant evidence that the 2nd amendment was put in to get states supporting slavery to sign on, since they wanted guns to control the slaves, and the slaves, not being humans, were not allowed to own guns, so did not benefit from the 2nd. I expect it is HARD to KNOW what all went into the politics of forming a new country and a new form of government (sort of). I am certain there was a lot of closed door meetings and margining going on. But, it is there, it is the law. So, since there is not a snowballs chance in hell of repealing the 2nd, we live with it. |
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And how many of that 400 million guns have been used to kill other citizens? Should we ban all guns because a few were used in a commission of a crime? How many times were they used to save a life? That is an interesting point, because I think there have been more cases of guns saving lives than taking them in a crime. ALMOST every study conducted in America says that guns save lives in millions of incidents, vs lives lost by guns in the thousands. SO, if a hundred lives are saved compared to one life lost in gun related crimes, then the whole debate is moot. |
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So, I call false, unless you can provide evidence. Second. I don't care what religion or lack of it the framers practiced in their lives. They did not include it in the Constitution, the only mention of it BANS it from government. If they were practicing Christians, why would they do that? That means to me, that ANYONE promoting religion in the government is anti-constitution. Just saying... I will leave it to smarter people here who have already debunked this too do it again. |
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Works for me. I have enjoyed target shooting since I was a teenager and still do. And I have owned many guns in my lifetime and still do, and not one of them has gone on a killing rampage. Guess I know how to pick them, huh? |
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How many times are they used to save a life - do you men where the person shot was trying to kill them with a bat? or a Gun? I expect most cases of self defense with gun shooting an assailant, the assailant also had a gun. So, maybe if neither had a gun, the worst that would happen is a concussion by being beaten with a bat. Ah, finally, you get to your point, 19 children lives are an acceptable price to pay if guns can save lives too. I will be sure to let the parents know. |
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But a lot more murdered before born. Oh well, guess that doesn't concern anyone, right? |
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..........think about how factors like extreme wealth disparity intensify the propensity for some marginal male youth to see GUNS and violence as an easy and thrilling way to improve their life. They might join forces in a gang or they could go crazy and individually just kill adults and children as punishment for THEIR dead-end lives. .........Many young males (in every country, not just the US) feel like they are swimming upstream in an environment that HATES them and one where they can NEVER succeed. In the US they have the greatest access to semi-auto weapons of war than any other country so we have the greatest amount of mass murders. |
Kids today are desensitized with all the violence in the movies, and on video games. It's no wonder they are all messed up and prone to violence. If you don't believe me, watch your grand kids video games...
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Just enjoying a civil conversation with an intelligent person, NOT "obsessed." I don't believe I indicated that you wished to ban all guns, did I? If so, my mistake. No, I do not believe that 19 children's' lives justify gun ownership, and I don't believe that I suggested that, did I? But, please DO give them my condolences since you plan on contacting them. Thank you. Not sure where you get the idea that "the worst that would happen is a concussion by being beaten by a bat." I guess that unlike me, you may not have law enforcement experience and know that a bat or club has been the cause of many murders. I believe that death trumps concussion, right? Personally, if someone came at me with a bat, I too would use lethal force to protect myself. I am not as young as I used to be and not quite up to fighting bare hands against a bat wielding assailant. Fortunately, the law allows for self defense, still. |
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And yes, I am CERTAIN you can kill a person with a bat, but the more likely outcome is someone is unconscious. Please explain how a person with a bat can kill two teachers and 19 children in 2 minutes? I expect it can happen, but it is SO much easier with a semiautomatic weapon. As I have said over and over, guns don't kill people, guns facilitate it. |
I feel so much safer the states are ATTEMPTING to ban birth control and IUD’s than regulating guns!
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Taking all of what you said at face value, as being possibly being accurate to an extent, I suggest something that many should consider. Instead of comparing stats, try comparing lifestyles of the different countries compared to ours. And I am not attempting to belittle these tragedies by saying they are minor compared to other causes of deaths in our country. Our lifestyle, even at what is considered poverty level is better than most European or other countries. Our poverty level families live as well as many middle class families in other countries. Just pointing out what I have personally observed living most of my life overseas. "Extreme wealth disparity" is a myth used by a few for other purposes that I can't say on here without being punished. We have a greater opportunity to succeed in this country than anywhere else. The only excuse is self inflicted lack of motivation to excel. In my opinion (and I know I will be corrected if thought wrong) one reason for such violence and lack of respect for others is that many young folks are not busy or occupied enough. Growing up, my generation mostly worked in some manner. We had paper routes, mowed lawns, collected refundable sofa bottle deposits, washed cars, pulled weeds, lemonade stands, harvested tobacco, or other crops, etc. When we were young, you could get a paying job at age 14 with a workers permit in my state. Keeping kids busy gives them self-respect and their mind focused on goals. Of course, there has always been violence in the world, ever since Cain and Able. |
Which states are attempting to ban birth control?
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..........Canada is SO worried about changes in the US that they have done studies to protect Canadians from problems caused by their Southern Neighbor. They would NOT have been that worried 10 years ago. .......If the US changes toward being more of a 3rd world country, there would be MORE frustrated young males contemplating Mass Murder, not LESS ! |
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The list of things we have fallen out of first place in is much longer than your list. But, this thread is about the one there is no second place - we are first in having our children murdered while learning to read. |
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And I still play my grandkids video games and usually beat them. Did you grow up with the Three Stooges? Do you hit you friends in the head with a Hamer, poke them in the eyes with your fingers? Did you watch cowboy shows? Do kill Indians when you see them coming? On and on. We grew up in a very violent era. Cartoons glorified murder, dropping safes on peoples heads was "funny". |
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Bibles and prayers haven't saved a kid yet! |
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I grew up in a bible thumping Southern Baptist home. I even preached at our church one summer while my brother, the then interim pastor was out of town. And look at the mess I turned into... didn't stick with me - LOL! |
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