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That doesn't make sense. Are you saying that ALL NRA members or attendees are "good guys?" You don't know how the SS guys work? You don't know their policies or SOP? Just kidding, I know you were just being facetious. :icon_wink: |
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Fire exits are locked to those on the outside. In case of emergency, you push the lever and the door opens. Emergency services have the ability to access the entrances also. However, a remote control from the office can be utilized if they wish to lock and unlock doors by use of a button. Many schools in the inner cities lock all doors to keep the drug pushers out during school session. |
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.........We KNOW that we have a problem. Other countries SOLVED the problem. Their children do NOT have the same FEAR when entering their schools as US children do. WE OWE it to the children to do the RIGHT thing for a change. |
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In no particular order here are some I can think of. 1. Mental illness 2. Hatred of a group of people (Race, Religion, and other characteristics) 3. Hatred or anger of a person within a group in attendance of an event 4. Copy cat killer 5. Political enemy 6. Genocide 7. Revenge |
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This may not be the technical definition of mentally ill, but it works for me - anyone who goes to the extreme of killing others for ANY reason (other than the immediate need for self-defense) has got a screw loose and should not be allowed to own a gun. I gave up on any thought of actually banning guns a long time ago. I do think there is room to tighten rules around chains of ownership and liability - if good old uncle George gives little Jonny, who likes to torture animals, a gun for his birthday he shares liability for whatever Jonny does with it. |
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Doesn't everyone who murders have a mental illness?????....except "drug induced". |
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Many are not mentally ill when they do this evil act. Some are, though. |
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This story isn't making the news although it should. Charleston, West Virginia, 5/25/22 On Wednesday evening a family was having a birthday-graduation party with 40 people in attendance. Dennis Butler drove through the neighborhood and was confronted and warned about speeding down the street because children were present. He left the area and returned later with an AR style rifle and began shooting at the party goers. A woman attending the party and was armed, as a lawful conceal carry holder. She immediately engaged the shooter, striking him several times and he died at the scene. Nobody at the part was struck. This woman stopped a mass shooting (by definition) from happening, but the news networks will not carry the story. Dennis Butler was a convicted felon and therefore prohibited from having firearms. |
Armed partygoer shoots, kills man who confronted group with rifle, police say
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Carrying a firearm is supposedly for self-protection, and to protect those around you. Either you're for it, or you're not. If you're for it, you wouldn't allow a handful of people to order you to put your firearms away so that they can protect ONE person only. |
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Nearly every firearm that has been made was a weapon of war so claiming the AR 15 is a weapon of war doesn't make it any different that say an M1 Carbine. In case you don't know, the M1 Carbine was a semi automatic rifle and the M2 Carbine was full automatic. The M1 and M2 carbines originally came with 15 round magazines and later in the war, 30 round magazines Carbines were sold in the millions as surplus after the war and how in many "mass shootings" have you ever heard about them being used? You totally ignore the fact that kings and dictators over the centuries have banned the ownership of weapons by their subjects. They didn't want anybody challenging their power. If you don't think our government would never turn into a dictatorship you are totally naive when it comes to human nature and the desire for power. |
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ABC News, WaPo, the AP, CBS News, heck it's gotten out to the UK with the BBS and the Saudi Gazette. It's not only news, it's international news. |
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ABC presented it 2 days ago. Fox didn't get to it til yesterday, right along with the Saudi Gazette. |
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To further follow up on the abusive power of government, in England there are Hate Speech laws that can get you prison time. Here is an excerpt from WikiPedia explaining the law:
Hate speech laws in England and Wales are found in several statutes. Expressions of hatred toward someone on account of that person's colour, race, disability, nationality (including citizenship), ethnic or national origin, religion, gender reassignment, or sexual orientation is forbidden.[1][2][3][4] Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden.[5] The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.[6] The Police and CPS have formulated a definition of hate crimes and hate incidents, with hate speech forming a subset of these. Something is a hate incident if the victim or anyone else think it was motivated by hostility or prejudice based on: disability, race, religion, gender identity or sexual orientation. A hate incident becomes a hate crime if it crosses the boundary of criminality.[7] Interpretation of the law is pretty wide open to whomever is in power. What if we had this law on the books, which would violate the 1st Amendment, and a sitting president decided that any speech criticizing his/her policies was Hate Speech? There are many people in this country who believe we should have such a law. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why the 2nd Amendment was written into the Constitution. |
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Do you really believe that the Viet Cong were born with the ability to be guerrillas? They were trained, just like the Irish Republican Army, the Viet Cong, and all the Muslim terrorists. |
Here is an interesting bit of firearm history a friend sent me:
"A hundred and twelve years ago, in 1907...our great grandparents were first able to the semi-auto Winchester Model 1907. This is a gun they could buy from a Sears catalogue and have delivered via US Post. It was/ is a semi-automatic, high powered centerfire rifle, with detachable, high capacity magazine. About 400,000 semi-automatic rifles were produced before WW2. Civilians had hundreds of thousands of these for 40 years, while US soldiers were still being issued old fashioned bolt action rifles. The 1907 fired just as fast as an AR15 or AK47 and the bullet (.351 Winchester) was actually larger than those fired by the more modern looking weapons.. The ONLY functional difference between the 1907 and a controversial and much feared AR15 is the modern black plastic stock. The semi auto, so-called "assault rifle" is 110 years old. It isnt new in any way. The semi auto rifle was not a weapon of war. The government MADE IT a weapon of war 40 years after civilians had them. The semi-auto can be safely owned by civilians. The proof is that literally 3 generations of adults owned and used them responsibly and no one ever even noticed. Want to fix the horror of mass shootings? Fix the things that have changed in society for the worse in the last 50 years." As I pointed out earlier, after WWII millions of semi automatic M1 Carbines were sold to the American public with 15 and 30 round magazines. You could buy them from catalogs and gun magazine ads and have them shipped directly to your home by the US Postal Service. Using all the illogic in this thread there should have been hundreds of shootings using the Model 1907 and M1 Carbine. What changed? Society and moral values have changed and not for the good. So easy to blame an inanimate object than to work on correcting the real problem. Gun bans, mental pablum for simple minds. |
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What's interesting about it isn't what it is. It's that it was patented in the 1956. It didn't exist for the 50 years of the Winchester 1907's manufacture, until 4 years before the Winchester 1907 was retired. And - it was introduced by Colt, not Winchester. So no, they're not exactly the same. They don't look the same, they didn't come with the same components, didn't fire the same ammo, didn't have the same weight, didn't have the same thrust, didn't have the same method of (whatever it is that bolts and pistons do). The only thing they had in common is that they're both semi-automatic rifles. |
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Charles Whitman in the U of Texas tower and his actions changed things a lot. University of Texas tower shooting - Wikipedia
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The Japanese play violent video games but it does not correlate to gun violence. They make it hard to get guns.They don't have a fraction of the guns we have.
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In the above two cases, and all the others I have thought about, the "solution" has been to ban or change the object, NOT to expect people to stop subverting the object to fit their needs. This will happen to the semi auto as well eventually. The generation that is so hung up on the 2nd amendment in all its various interpretations is dying out, and the younger folks have better things to do with their time. People who think they need to closet full of guns to protect them for "The Man" don't realize that they already lost that battle - society has already been molded to fit the fascist model - the 1 or 2% own and control everything, the middle 70% do all the work and get thrown a bone from time to time (that's us), and the rest get blamed for everything and keep the middle group dumb and happy. All we can do until the day comes when this model falls apart (they all do eventually) is work around the edges to enjoy life. |
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These shooters almost always seem to go for the militaristic look. The AR look seems to glorify their position before they do their dastardly deed and then become suicidal. Really, this shooter could have done a lot more damage with a shotgun and ammo tubes. Why not just remove the look and sell the semi automatic rifle with a hunting rifle style and look? Get rid of the MR. GI Joe appearance and glory.
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The Model 1907 round has a heavier hitting bullet that is meant for large game animals where as the 5.56 x 45 MM round of the AR15 is considered the absolute minimum caliber for deer. Some states don't allow the use of the AR15 round for hunting large game. Your point about when the AR was patented is irrelevant, what does that have to do with when the Model 1907 was introduced? I never stated that the AR15 was made by Winchester. ArmaLite sold the rights to the design of the AR15 to Colt. |
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..........So, IF (a BIG if) the US has a Dictatorship around 2026, then the rebels should be stacking up on long-range sniper-type BOLT-ACTION rifles rather than the short-range military-style semi-autos. ..........Anyway, the easiest, least bloody, and best way to prevent a dictatorship is by votes, not bullets. |
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