Please quote that. Or it’s just you’re opinion from the opinion piece you read it from.

It doesn't have anything to do with real life,, until it does, perhaps your ability to post/respond should be terminated, they are too discordant, inflammatory inciting to others, The ministry of truth will sort out your postings, remember the proposed "Fairness Act" will the ministry of State Security have to "interview " you? The problems we now face were not a problem previously , fifty years before Columbine it happened that some armed robbery teams would carry unloaded weapons, if one member killed somebody Everyone involved had a date with Sparkey, appeals did not take years , unless you had a very good reason they just were not heard. it was a matter of "personnel responsibility " people haven changed, our enlighten manner of dealing with problems has

Actually he/she might be able to produce a quote.
There have been studies with results on both sides of the issue.
Depending on what "expert", there is a link, there is not a link.
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Tragic but...
 

I can't begin to understand the pain that the.friends and family of those lost to this horrible act of evil. But trying to ban guns is not the best way to stop this. If a person has evil intent they will find a way to do evil. 9/11 required no guns, just a couple of box cutters. The Boston marathon killings were done with pressure cookers. People have been run down at parades by trucks. Cain slew Able with a rock. Prosecute the guilty, identify troubled youth and get them help, protect yourself and your loved ones by being ready and able to defend yourself.
If making guns illegal would actually work I would be 100% in favor of it. Let's try making DRUGS ILLEGAL first so that there are no drug issues and see how well that goes.

Guns cant shot them selves some one has too pull the trigger. Take away guns -if they want to kill they do so another way , baseball bats, cars knives . anything/. We had a killer drive into a parade, In New york they push you in front of a on coming train. We need to have stable families and teach respect. Bring GOD back into the schoo;ws

And that country would be overrun and taken over by men with guns. Majority of women are motherly and can not do what has to be done for protection of All. Now I agree for few cold blooded killers, but most are what we think of—- moms, nice, warm, and nurturing.

You can blame the libs on this one. It's NOT the guns that kill, it's the people and/or nut jobs behind them. I'm sick of "mental health" calling. These kind of people need long, long prison terms but they don't want to do that. It's like revolving door prison reform for them. At least this person was killed and taxpayers don't have to waste anymore money on him. It was shameful what Beto did in the TV conference with the grieving families in the audience and he's trying to grandstand for his own benefit. What a loser! Why anyone would vote for something as callous as he is beyond my comprehension. Such a tragic ordeal but, once again, you can't blame the guns!

No, I was addressing the other 50% of the posters.

Do you really think I am suggesting JUST more gun controls?

Other than you, show posts of people making suggestions (other than taking away cars)

ANYTHING that is broken, should be fixed, I completely agree. If he should not have been able to obtain 2 AR15s, then the person who enabled that should be charged with assessor to premeditated murder. In fact ANYONE illegally selling a weapon that is used to commit any murder should be charged. This should also include ANYONE that sells a gun. Gun shows, private sales, and any black market sales. If the source of a gun used in a murder can be determined, and if that sale was "illegal" then the persons selling the gun should be charged.

Thank you that is actually a suggestion that we CAN do. Wanna bet we will be told why it won/t work instead of joining in to get it done?

First please show where it is illegal to fire a firearm while intoxicated. It IS illegal to drive while intoxicated. It is illegal to drive faster than the posted speed limit, show laws limiting how fast you can fire your weapon, or where. Try driving on the court house lawn? You will be towed, try walk onto the Capital steps, and waving your guns, you will be applauded. I think you get the point.

Let's take the one that pertains to this thread - Texas: How to Apply for a Texas Driver License | Department of Public Safety

To get a Drivers license:

The Department issues driver licenses valid for up to eight years to Texas residents 18 years of age and older. The Texas Driver’s Handbook is available online to help you qualify for a Texas driver license. You will need to provide proof of the following to apply for a driver license:

* U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence
* Texas Residency
* Identity, and
* Social Security Number
* Evidence of Texas Vehicle Registration* for each vehicle you own. Registration must be current. Visit Texas DMV vehicle registration for more information (New Residents who are surrendering an out-of-state driver license only)
* Proof of Insurance* for each vehicle you own
* If you do not own a vehicle, you will sign a statement affirming this.

Additionally, you will need to provide evidence of completion of:

* Impact Texas Driver (ITD) if you will be taking a driving test for the issuance of your driver license**
* A six-hour adult Driver Education course, if you are 18 through 24 years of age (Does not apply to new residents who are 18 years of age or older and surrendering a valid, unexpired out-of-state driver license)
* Once you have gathered the necessary documents and completed the required courses, you will need to do the following:

* Complete the driver license application before arriving at your local office (This form is also available at all driver license offices).
* Make an appointment at a driver license office.
* Provide the following documentation to the license and permit specialist:
* Application for the issuance of a driver license
* U.S. Citizenship or, if you are not a U.S. Citizen, evidence of lawful presence
* Identity, and
* Social Security Number
* Provide your signature for DL or ID.
* Provide your thumbprints.
* Have your picture taken.
* Pay the application fee.
* Pass the vision exam.
* Take and pass the knowledge and driving tests. You may complete the testing requirements at the DL office by scheduling an appointment online or through a Third Party provider. Read about testing in other languages and driving test requirements.

Now, what are the requirements to buy a gun in Texas? Buying - Gun Laws - Guides at Texas State Law Library

I won't copy it here, because almost all that is there are links to explain who CAN NOT purchase a gun (felons, etc) but the only topic listing a requirement is AGE. One Retirement - AGE. Nothing about things you have to do - testing, training, demonstrating competence, etc etc etc. (they left off affording it)

Compare the two. Obviously, Texas is very afraid of people driving on their streets, but if you want to kill children - no so hard. If you want, you can eliminate any duplicates from the two lists (US Citizenship, Texas resident, etc.) Drivers license still wins by a mile.

I absolutely agree we should focus on "WHY" and solve that. Much of my career was as a consulting Systems Analysts. The WHY question was always the second thing I did. First the company wanted me to stop the bleeding (so to speak) - mitigate the problem, so they could get back to making money while I took the time to identify the actual problem.

But, I don't know about any one else, but I can walk and chew gum at the same time. So, why not implement mitigation techniques while we try to determine the WHY so we can solve it. Why not look for low hanging fruit that we can all agree on and implement while the brainiacs look for how to solve societies cultural issues. And yes, but is SOMETHING is broken in the US, since this is a uniquely US problem.

Wouldn’t you be in that same generation?

Only marginally. I'm from the tail end of the boomer generation. Also, I chose not to have children. So no - blame ain't on me. It's on all the boomers who had kids and didn't teach them how to parent.

Let's Get Everyone
 

Auto manufacturers for fast cars

Civil Engineers for dangerous highway designs.

Dairy farmers for air pollution and high cholesterol.

And on and on. Yeah last but not least the supreme designer of the perfect human.

We geezers certainly do have all the answers--even if most of those answers contradict the answers of others. But not only do we solve nothing, for the most part we cannot even really define the problem. Mostly we just fall back on our prejudices.

Sometimes it pays to get closer to the source. I had a conversation with my granddaughter some time ago, really about social skills but applicable here too. Her statement? "The reason that so many people of my generation are such total losers socially is because they never really learned HOW. Their "socialization" is social media".

That deserves some careful pondering, from a couple of aspects. Social media in some part (large part?) has become a surrogate parent to kids since--oh--the mid 1990s or so. A kid behind a screen can be anything he or she wants to be, and convince others that he is who he portrays himself as being. He's rarely if ever in personal contact with many of those online "friends" so he doesn't worry too much about being outed as a phony. His world probably--and social life certainly--are words on a screen. Personally he may be someone who other kids pick on, or who lags behind in school, or whatever. But he doesn't have the social skills to deal with those issues in person, so he just hides from them while building up his social media persona.

Couple that with the fact that no matter how far out or bizarre someone's ideas are, he or she can find uncountable sources on the internet that agree with his ideas. He doesn't discuss them in person with the people he encounters in daily life but he DOES discuss them with like-minded people on social media. He's not looking for information so much as validation (a common problem, even among us geezers), and he finds it. Doesn't matter how far out. The world is flat--people of one religion drink the blood of the children of another--One race will eliminate another race unless people who believe like HE believes intervene, etc. etc. His socialization is mainly with people with beliefs equally or even more bizarre than his. The REAL world--the world of face-to-face interactions with peers, practicing the skills needed to get along in daily life, knowing what to say and what not to say, becomes less and less important. It is a bad confluence of negativity. It is a bomb, in some cases, primed to go off.

Okay. Factor #2. A kid growing up in America today is taught to FEAR guns. Guns are EEEEEEVIL. Guns are SCARY. Only BAD people have guns. He hears it (if he hears anything) incessantly about it in school. So--here we have an insecure, alienated kid, saturated with bizarre ideas, who buys, borrows or steals a gun. His online persona portrays him as a swaggering bad guy. He takes the gun and becomes that guy. Maybe he only wants to scare people (how many kids bring guns to school just to show other kids?). Maybe his bizarre ideas and viewpoints dictate that violence is the answer to whatever his twisted mind tells him the problem happens to be.

And the bomb goes off.

It is no coincidence that the rise in these school shootings parallels the rise in social media usage, and even more precisely, the lack of effective parenting in lieu of the kid living on social media. They're not taught much else--at least not much else that sticks. An alienated kid or young adult filled with bizarre ideas is a catastrophe waiting to happen. And in all too many cases, it does.

Okay. Even if the admittedly-dramatized scenario above is largely true (and I believe, generally, that it is) just knowing it does not solve the problem. It all goes back to the parents BEING parents, teaching their kids proper socialization and just plain HUMAN interaction, and monitoring the poison that they all too often find on the internet. Banning or limiting guns is not the answer (though I believe that there are a lot of things we can do to minimize the possibility of school shootings). It will probably take as long to fix this problem as it did to create it in the first place. But until we fix the FAMILIES, this problem will remain.

There are wacky-doodles on both sides. Sovereign Citizens believe that don't need a license to drive, and don't have to pay income tax. Far left wacky-doodles want to remove all guns (ban).

I will assume you are neither of those, and I know I am not. So, can we stop with the BAN GUNs argument. It is just noise and accomplishes nothing. Anyone with an IQ higher than a rock knows it will not work.

Move!
 

Why don't you do us all a favor and move there!

You're seeing this with the same myopic lens that you complain about in others.

People living in the suburbs and cities were also taught to fear guns. At least in the cities and suburbs where I grew up. In the more rural areas, everyone had a rifle near the back door to chase off coyotes and bears. But you NEVER heard anything about that, on our side of the county. Why? Because there were no coyotes and bears on our side of the county. We had no need for guns. In our area, the purpose of guns was to shoot people. And civilized people simply didn't DO that. No - the only people who shot other people were criminals, and cops who chased down criminals.

In our part of free America, we were free to not NEED guns. It was an idyllic upbringing, FREE from crime, FREE from violence, FREE from the need to regulate a thing. We were self-regulating.

Sadly - that idyllic free society has become more and more isolated from the rest of the country. But blaming it on the current batch of kids being afraid of guns just can't possibly be true. Because if it were true, and 18-year-old kid wouldn't have used one to kill 19 other kids this week.