Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2100045)

Not quite sure who you were addressing this to, but I'll toss in my 2 cents. IMO, there is one (and only one) reason why someone commits any sort of violent crime - because they are mentally unstable.

Why not, as a start, require anyone who wants to buy a gun to prove they are mentally stable. 99.9% would pass and go on their way with their shiny new killing machine. The .1 failures are just out of luck.

We don't seem to have any issues adding more and more restrictions to people's right to vote, this does not seem to add that much of a burden to the vast majority gun owner wannabes

Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2100044)

Maybe that neighborhood is in Chicago.

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2100026)

See it is hard to solve something when you are looking in the wrong places. Mental health is a red herring being pushed by the parties with a vested interest. I can post links to dozens of studies by top psychologists in the world (but I wont because I have been given a vacation for posting too many links - spamming they called it). And they all come to the same conclusion - summarized by this:

Are All Mass Shooters Mentally Ill?

Here is the link, but I know most wont bother to read it, since it might disturb peoples world view. If you are interested in truth and not propaganda as so many claim - the take a look.

"They discovered that only 11% of all mass murderers (including shooters) and only 8% of mass shooters had a serious mental illness. They also found that mass shooters in the United States were more likely to have legal histories, use recreational drugs, abuse alcohol, and have histories of non-psychotic psychiatric or neurologic symptoms."

Let me repeat that, 8% of mass shooters have mental health problems associated with the shooting.

According to John Hopkins Medicine , 26% of Americans 18 and older have some form of diagnosable mental health.

Repeat that - 8% of shooters are mentally ill, 26% of the general population are mentally ill. Hmm.

So, there is an interesting anomaly here - MORE people that are NOT mass murders have some form of mental illness than the mass shooter. The shooters would seem to be "healthier". (that would be a false comparison, for those paying attention - since there are very few shooters so the sample size is very small.)

Mental Health Disorder Statistics | Johns Hopkins Medicine

According to other sources, 20% of the worlds population has mental health issues.

So, PLEASE, since you claim mental health explains mass shootings and school murders, PLEASE explain why the US is the ONLY country experiencing regular school shooting. Great Britain hasn't had one since 1996 with they banned most guns. Coincidence?

PLEASE explain WHY there are not MORE shootings since the general population has 3 times as much mental illness as the shooter population?

There, Did I repeat it enough times?

I won't wait for an answer, since EVERY single person I have asked, failed to respond with an answer. Typically if they answer at all they just deflect with "things are different here - yeah they are different. We have 400 million guns on circulation. And in this particular case virtually no requirements to buy a gun except a government ID, be 18, and breathing. (Oh and a pocket full of money)

Originally Posted by Ken Nelson (Post 2100117)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpsnrxHdCc

This is how it is done!

Originally Posted by ElLegal (Post 2099932)

So how many guns do you think the government should “allow” citizens to own?

Problem is mental illness.

But again if people couldn’t get their hands on guns, And they were hellbent on harming others, not having a gun wouldn’t get in their way.
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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 2099928)

Yeah.....no. There were a couple of prior posts in this thread that explained why the gun ban was put in place for the upcoming convention when others made similar incorrect statements.

Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 2100100)

Locking school doors could be asking for more trouble. What if a fire starts? Nut jobs are saying "harden the schools and have one entrance and one exit". What happens if there is a fire?

Originally Posted by Ken Nelson (Post 2100117)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpsnrxHdCc

This is how it is done!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2100162)

The shooter at Robb Elementry did NOT shoot or kill anyone when he was 17 years old or younger. It was only when he turned 18 and magically could buy MAN-KILLING guns that HE turned into a mass murderer.
..........That is the logic that I base MY OPINION on - that to solve the mass murder problem - you have to do SOMETHING about the GUNS problem. The US is awash in excessive GUNS, which has led to excessive GUN violence. Excessive as compared to other countries. And if this GUN problem is not solved, then more GUNS will be purchased and that will equal MORE MASS MURDERS.

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 2100167)

Excellent video, thanks for showing it. We are becoming immune to this strange new world we live it, but the cost is a drop in the bucket and should be installed in all public places. There is more than enough money in this country for this type of protection. Maybe some of our millionaire politicians would like to chip in :icon_wink:

Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2100034)

Actually, no. I did not "make" the original poster's point. There are exceptions to almost any situation. I am sure that most everyone in an NRA meeting feels secure knowing others are carrying. Our government via the SS has a different outlook on the situation. Protection of the asset is a different matter entirely. Ask them for their reasoning or RULES.

Personally, I have no problem with CCW individuals carrying in a church. In the past few years, there have been several church shootings. One was stopped by a man (NRA member?) with a gun. I understand some folks are in great fear of guns and worry that they may go off by themselves and harm humans. Those folks probably should not have a gun, or should take a gun safety course just to know how they work. It says a lot about someone that had to let everyone know that they would not ever be seen in a church. There's more threat of being zapped by the Holy Spirit in church than being shot in one by a gun totin' miscreant. :clap2::):pray: