Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2100682)

Making more gun laws is stupid, period.
Stopping the cause is the idea. The cause is PEOPLE, not guns. Take the gun away or limit it all you want, but all you will do is build your own ego, not protect anyone. As a matter of fact, more people are save than murdered in this country by guns. Over a million last year were saved by some good citizen with a gun. Take away the gang murders in the main cities and our country will have the least amount of gun related murders in the world.....or close to it. Any gun laws you make in the country will only make murders worse, not better. Why? Because then the good guys will be restricted/ hands tied and won't be able to keep the stats down. The bad guys are not going to worry about breaking a gun related law when they plan to break the MURDER law.
You will NEVER in our lifetime or our grandkids lifetime ever be able to get rid of guns in our country, not matter what drug induced fantasy you might dream up. It's kind of like expecting to stop DUIs by getting rid of the cars. They tried getting rid of alcohol and we all know how that worked out. Guns can be printed out and they won't have a serial number to trace.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2100703)

I just want to be on record as saying that it does not HAVE to be this way. And it WILL get worse. And I don't want to hear the childish propaganda about "a good guy with a gun " and that "slippery slope" sing-song crap!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2100703)

Not very nice to say that I am on a "drug-induced " fantasy. I would NEVER, never say that about you or anyone on TOTV. I am NOT for taking away GUNS designed for hunting, targets, or home protection. I am against the NRA and greedy manufacturers that have (through propaganda) moved shooters AWAY from sportsman-type rifles and TOWARD selling weapons of WAR to CIVILIANS. Think about that........it makes no sense.......it is a CON JOB by the manufacturers and the NRA. They make the profits and the average people in America get shot buying groceries and their children die and bleed at school.
........I would rather live with a bolt action to defend my home than have excessive weapons of WAR circulating in society. But, I know it is too late. I just want to be on record as saying that it does not HAVE to be this way. And it WILL get worse. And I don't want to hear the childish propaganda about "a good guy with a gun " and that "slippery slope" sing-song crap!

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2100708)

"Weapons of war" are fully automatic weapons. The vast majority of firearms are semi-automatic. Big difference and a difference that is lost on apparently most people. While it is possible to own a fully automatic weapon (typically collectors), there are a lot of hoops to jump through including approval by the Federal Government. It is a common mistake to assume your average Joe can buy an automatic weapon - he can't. Stop calling the firearms that people can actually buy "weapons of war" - they are not and it is disingenuous to say so.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2100722)

Actually, ALL semi-automatics can be EASILY modified to fully automatic. And they are closer to Man-killers or weapons of war than a bolt-action, lever, or pump-action deer hunter.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2100722)

Actually, ALL semi-automatics can be EASILY modified to fully automatic. And they are closer to Man-killers or weapons of war than a bolt-action, lever, or pump-action deer hunter.

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2100688)

Stopping the cause is not an answer, since we do not yet know the cause.

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2100708)

"Weapons of war" are fully automatic weapons. The vast majority of firearms are semi-automatic. Big difference and a difference that is lost on apparently most people. While it is possible to own a fully automatic weapon (typically collectors), there are a lot of hoops to jump through including approval by the Federal Government. It is a common mistake to assume your average Joe can buy an automatic weapon - he can't. Stop calling the firearms that people can actually buy "weapons of war" - they are not and it is disingenuous to say so.

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2100740)

I’m tired of hearing of the shootings. No one wants to see kids lives needlessly snuffed out, but banning guns aren’t the answer for the sick mind who did this. We should all count our blessings he didn’t use a pump shotgun with magazine extensions. It would have been much worse. Canada banned assault weapons last year after their last mass shooting where 22 died in Portapique. I guess we will see how that turns out?

Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2100778)

Crazies will find a way. Sorry to say the world is full of crazies.

Originally Posted by Jack58033 (Post 2100741)

The Japanese play violent video games but it does not correlate to gun violence. They make it hard to get guns.They don't have a fraction of the guns we have. They don't have a percent of the deaths we have and no dead children in schools.