Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2099257)

Guess I can sue car manufacturers when a drunk drive kills someone.

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2098789)

Prayers, platitudes, lots of flowers, plenty of photo ops. at the vigils, (cry please) and most of all, empty promises.
Same old faces spouting the same entrenched opinions.
Sells papers, and keeps the talking heads employed.
Nothing will change.
Here's to the next time! :ohdear:

Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 2098784)

19 innocent children, 2 dedicated teachers, lives lost, solution????? More guns, bigger prisons, NOT. Japan, no guns unless police and military, murder rate .3 percent per 100,000, America, 4.7 per 100,000. Mental health wake up call.

Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2098800)

Maybe we should not let our children play violent video games that gives them the idea that it's ok to kill people ?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099283)

Throughout the WHOLE world, children play the SAME kind of violent video games. The UK, Germany, and all other countries have an INSIGNIFICANT amount of gun violence compared to the US which is, BY FAR, # 1 . Also mental health is nearly constant throughout the world, so not really a factor! The differentiating factor is that the AVAILABILITY OF GUNS in the US is sssssoooo much greater.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099278)

Social tensions are VERY high. There are 1.2 guns available per person in the US and a BIG increase in the last 2 years. That is a bad recipe! And there could be something like one mass murder every 10 days in the near future - until something is done nationwide to lower social tensions or do something about the US guns problem or do both.
Australia AND New Zealand HAD a similar problem to the one the US has now. They attacked the gun problem directly by Australia's MELTING DOWN all semi-automatic rifles. Since then they have had only ONE mass murder in about 10 years. That is PROOF POSITIVE that something can be done. Children in Australia and New Zealand do NOT have to fear simply going to school - or adults going to church - or to a square to listen to music and dance.
........ Also, US mass murders are only 2% of the deaths due to guns. The rest is individual murders and suicides!
..........I am in favor of the 2nd amendment and having gun ownership for home protection, shooting targets, and hunting. I am NOT in favor of semi-automatic rifles that the NRA and the gun manufacturers PREFER because of high mark-up and profits paid for by the blood of children. Let's return to the 1950s when guns were for hunting game and NOT HUNTING PEOPLE !!!!!!!

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2098806)

Guns have been around forever, but mass shootings are up during recent years. What’s different than before, social media and violent video games that are streamed online through sites like twitch. How come every time there is a violent shooting it becomes about guns, but when some whack job mows down a crowd of people with a car it’s not about vehicles? Whack jobs will always find a way, especially when they can become immediate social media click bait.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2099288)

Not so sure availability of firearms is the cause. Understand there is a huge number of firearms owned by residents of the villages. When was the last time they were improperly used?

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099291)

From about 1950 to 1985 if you read a Guns magazine, the articles were about where to hunt pheasants and deer - and what shotgun or bolt-action rifle was best for deer. Also some articles about hunting in Alaska, Canada, or even Africa. THEN, that all changed because the GUN MANUFACTURERS found out that fewer people were going hunting and that there were larger PROFITS to make in selling to FOOLS....... MILITARY-STYLE semi-automatics AKA MAN KILLERS !!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2098829)

When we were kids had pea shooters, carpet guns and cap pistols and we all carried around pocket knives even to school.

Had fish fights and noone even thought of taking out their knives.

Had all kind of cowboy and war movies and rather violent cartoons so we were also exposed to violence and we all survived.

There are over 400 million guns in this country how in the world would you get rid of them?

Have no clue how to fix this problem but defunding the police will not help.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099291)

From about 1950 to 1985 if you read a Guns magazine, the articles were about where to hunt pheasants and deer - and what shotgun or bolt-action rifle was best for deer. Also some articles about hunting in Alaska, Canada, or even Africa. THEN, that all changed because the GUN MANUFACTURERS found out that fewer people were going hunting and that there were larger PROFITS to make in selling to FOOLS....... MILITARY-STYLE semi-automatics AKA MAN KILLERS !!!!!!!

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2098842)

350 million guns have not been around forever. And it is growing at historic rates, just like school shootings - coincidence? Number of guns has tripled since 2000. You remember 2000? The year after the first school shooting - Columbine.

Yeah, another thing that has changed, concerning what has changed, just a week ago wasn't it that the crazy quoted Replacement theory for killing 10 people.

Whack jobs are everywhere, in every country in every society. Only the US has mass shootings in school - constantly. Only in the US. What does the US have that no other country in the world has? 350 MILLION guns in circulation.

I have NOTHING against responsible gun owners or gun ownership. I can't think of ANY way 350 million guns can be collected. It is NOT going to happen.

So, how about we all get together and figure out a way to keep responsible gun owners happy and armed, while at the same time creating fewer mourning parents. 231 school shootings in the 22 years since Columbine.

Or, would everyone like to just keep calling each other naming and spewing "facts" like guns don't kill people. Yeah guns do nothing until a person picks it up, the gun is used to kill 21 people in under 2 minutes.

I have heard someone say crazies will find a way, like using a car to drive into a crowd. Yeah, true, and when was the last time a crazy drove a car into a crowded class room and killed 19 children?

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2099288)

Not so sure availability of firearms is the cause. Understand there is a huge number of firearms owned by residents of the villages. When was the last time they were improperly used?

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2098842)

350 million guns have not been around forever. And it is growing at historic rates, just like school shootings - coincidence? Number of guns has tripled since 2000. You remember 2000? The year after the first school shooting - Columbine.

Yeah, another thing that has changed, concerning what has changed, just a week ago wasn't it that the crazy quoted Replacement theory for killing 10 people.

Whack jobs are everywhere, in every country in every society. Only the US has mass shootings in school - constantly. Only in the US. What does the US have that no other country in the world has? 350 MILLION guns in circulation.

I have NOTHING against responsible gun owners or gun ownership. I can't think of ANY way 350 million guns can be collected. It is NOT going to happen.

So, how about we all get together and figure out a way to keep responsible gun owners happy and armed, while at the same time creating fewer mourning parents. 231 school shootings in the 22 years since Columbine.

Or, would everyone like to just keep calling each other naming and spewing "facts" like guns don't kill people. Yeah guns do nothing until a person picks it up, the gun is used to kill 21 people in under 2 minutes.

I have heard someone say crazies will find a way, like using a car to drive into a crowd. Yeah, true, and when was the last time a crazy drove a car into a crowded class room and killed 19 children?

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2099298)

Businesses supply what people want, as far as availability I can remember a time when you could get a M1 through the mail, no questions

Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2098883)

Absolutely, 100% NO. The day our military is used in our country is the day our country ends.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099303)

I heard that Police did NOT arrive for over one HOUR. There are a lot of details about this massacre that need better answers. The Texas Ranger spokesmen seemed to" hem and haw" when asked about the response time?

Originally Posted by GOLFER54 (Post 2098928)

One would be foolish to believe that guns are the problem. There are kids and adults that are mentally unstable, some take medications, others seek help, some do not. If an unstable person gets a gun, whether it be legal or illegally and if they have bad intentions, how is anyone to know if they plan to do harm to others ?Criminals on the other hand carry guns with the intentions if they are cornered or interrupted during their crime they will no doubt shoot someone. Those folks that have purchased a gun legally have the intentions of protecting themselves or their love ones. Sadly we see that mass murders in US has seen more than 200 mass shootings since January.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099278)

..........I am in favor of the 2nd amendment and having gun ownership for home protection, shooting targets, and hunting. I am NOT in favor of semi-automatic rifles that the NRA and the gun manufacturers PREFER because of high mark-up and profits paid for by the blood of children. Let's return to the 1950s when guns were for hunting game and NOT HUNTING PEOPLE !!!!!!!

Originally Posted by WingedFoot78 (Post 2098930)

In the "Wild West Days" ammunition capacity was limited to six shots or whatever the rifles of the times held. Now with the AR type weapons, the capacity has increased multiple times. Is there any need for these types of weapons? Can you hunt legally with them?

Originally Posted by Anne Cink (Post 2098947)

I feel the same way about video games. Why do they never investigate what kind of video games a shooter watched? Hollywood elites scream their outrage and demand gun control. yet they produce ever more violent movies and tv shows with bigger and bigger guns! Video games get more realistic and more despicably violent! We desensitize children to the value of life! Death becomes less "real"!

Originally Posted by spd2918 (Post 2099311)

The 2nd Ammendment is not about hunting or home protection.
It's about the people having the means to resist a tyranical government.

All "semi-automatic" means is the next bullet is loaded after the last is shot. A revolver loads the next bullet by trigger squeeze (or thumb cocking) and anyone with any skill can achieve the same rate of fire as an AR15. Besides, shooting fast means less accuracy, so it's a wash.

As for the New Zealand and Australia argument, they didn't have many mass shooting before confiscation. Australia did force people into quarantine detention during covid. They could because they did not fear an armed populace.

And the reason gun ownership is up is because people fear a tyranical government. When Seattle allowed a group of Communist thugs to take over the city, people bought guns. When those same Communist thugs laid seige to a Federal Courthouse in Portland, people bought guns.

I'm all for personal choice. If you don't like guns, don't buy one.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099316)

Because these SAME videos are seen by young people in All countries around the globe and ONLY the US is, BY FAR, the # 1 country in gun violence and mass murders. The overwhelming factor is GUN accessibility.(and semi-automatics)

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2098974)

Could not agree with you more. Let’s also look at Hollywood and the movies they make.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099283)

Throughout the WHOLE world, children play the SAME kind of violent video games. The UK, Germany, and all other countries have an INSIGNIFICANT amount of gun violence compared to the US which is, BY FAR, # 1 . Also mental health is nearly constant throughout the world, so not really a factor! The differentiating factor is that the AVAILABILITY OF GUNS in the US is sssssoooo much greater.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2098980)

Did it stop everyone from smoking …….nope

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2099320)

they used to say the same thing when i was a kid regarding horror movies. the extreme kind, like chainsaw massacre or dawn of the dead. i grew up on that stuff & never became a twisted mass murderer or zombie. dittos on video games, not every kid who plays call of duty grows up to be a killer

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2099005)

Absolutely!

Back in the day, the "day" in question being 1965, guns in school was nothing out of the ordinary. Gun safety training was offered at the high school I attended and on the range days seeing kids with guns on buses was totally normal. We had to store them at the Principal's office until range time but the ammo we just carried loose in our pockets. Oh--and no self-respecting lad at my school would EVER be caught without his trusty Barlow pocket knife. Saw a teacher borrow one from a kid one time when the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

The three biggest behavior problems were talking in class, chewing gum and running in the halls. And even then, you didn't want your parents knowing. Mom and Dad had a talk with each of us at a young age: "never get in trouble at school and complain to us about it, because you'll be in twice as much trouble when you get home". And they meant it.

Oh--just about all of came from two married parents households, raised to take responsibility for our actions, respect hard work, and to take pride in academic accomplishments. One of the proudest days of my high-school life was when I was invited to join the National Honor Society. School was a privilege, not an obligation.

Guns were as deadly back then as they are now. But being raised in the right circumstances, with the right values, meant that we respected guns much as would respect any other tool. Blaming the guns for today's ills is on the same par as blaming the fork because you gained ten pounds. Want to fix the problem? Fix the FAMILY.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2099326)

It decreased smoking considerably!

Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2099033)

Sorry, but PEOPLE are the problem, not guns. Take away the bad people and you have no problems. Take away the tools, and you still have the bad people and you still have the same problem, only a different method. When a child hits another child with a toy fire truck and you take the toy away from him, he will just find some other means to bully the other child. Take away the bad child (or correct him in such manner that makes him too scared of the consequences) and you eliminate the problem. Taking away the tool of the crime does not eliminate the causation.

You can stop a shooter with another shooter. If the bad guy uses a bomb instead, you cannot stop him with another bomb. If he uses a knife, do you stop him with another knife? If you outlaw all means of violence, someone will just invent a new method. The answer is to eliminate the cause of the violence. If you cannot fix the person then you must eliminate his ability to perpetrate violence. You lock him up, or in extreme cases you put him down.

Originally Posted by 44Apple (Post 2098822)

I remember when the adults blamed watching violent TV shows for bad des done by the kids. We've moved on.

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive (Post 2099005)

Absolutely!

Back in the day, the "day" in question being 1965, guns in school was nothing out of the ordinary. Gun safety training was offered at the high school I attended and on the range days seeing kids with guns on buses was totally normal. We had to store them at the Principal's office until range time but the ammo we just carried loose in our pockets. Oh--and no self-respecting lad at my school would EVER be caught without his trusty Barlow pocket knife. Saw a teacher borrow one from a kid one time when the pencil sharpener was on the fritz.

The three biggest behavior problems were talking in class, chewing gum and running in the halls. And even then, you didn't want your parents knowing. Mom and Dad had a talk with each of us at a young age: "never get in trouble at school and complain to us about it, because you'll be in twice as much trouble when you get home". And they meant it.

Oh--just about all of came from two married parents households, raised to take responsibility for our actions, respect hard work, and to take pride in academic accomplishments. One of the proudest days of my high-school life was when I was invited to join the National Honor Society. School was a privilege, not an obligation.

Guns were as deadly back then as they are now. But being raised in the right circumstances, with the right values, meant that we respected guns much as would respect any other tool. Blaming the guns for today's ills is on the same par as blaming the fork because you gained ten pounds. Want to fix the problem? Fix the FAMILY.

Originally Posted by villager7591 (Post 2099057)

An AR-15 is not a military weapon. Think of a .22 rifle with an ammo clip.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2099085)

I dont think so. Growing up there were series on TV about war (Combat) with lots of people getting shot and blown up every week. Remember all the war movies about WW II and Korea.

Lots of cowboy and indians shows and movies with people getting killed in the hundreds.

We used to play a game with knives called land where we took a pocket knife and threw it into the ground near our feet. Dumb of course but we all did it.

How the world has changed.

Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2099093)

Whose god do you want in schools? Yours. I don't want my kid indoctrinated. Your god is banned from schools by the Constitution.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2099096)

Yep, 350 million plus hard core crazy killers and murderers. Now if want to come up with reasonable solutions? No semiautomatic hand guns, no semiautomatic rifles with magazines over 5 rounds or no semiautomatic rifles. No extended magazines. No guns will never happen, but limitations can work. No society is actually free so the free country argument out the window.

Originally Posted by jimbomaybe (Post 2099103)

Police /military ok , everybody else muzzleloaders

Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 2099123)

A Ruger 10/22 is a semiauto 22cal rifle that allows one to insert magazines that will hold anywhere from 10 to 50 rounds of ammo or more. Is that an assault weapon? Or, is it not used by the military so it is not considered dangerous? M-16's and AR-15's are basically 22cal rifles (223). Pellet rifles can be purchased that are fully automatic and legal. You can purchase a 22cal fully automatic pellet rifle or pistol without a background check. Do you wish to be in front of one that is being fired at you?
Like I said, people are the problem.