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So, you've never heard of Freedom of Speech? I believe it's the first thing they mention in that document we call the Constitution. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.
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It's not as bad as being killed because of your skin color - it's just a knee

and one has nothing to do with the other.
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So, you've never heard of Freedom of Speech? I believe it's the first thing they mention in that document we call the Constitution. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.

and no law is really a law.
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So, you've never heard of Freedom of Speech? I believe it's the first thing they mention in that document we call the Constitution. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.
They are free to kneel but I am free to think it is a disrespectful thing to do and oppose it in a peaceful manner.
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Old 07-22-2020, 01:47 PM
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and one has nothing to do with the other.
It has everything to do with each other - do more research and you will find out they are intertwined.
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There are other ways to protest.

My father and father in law fought in WW2 under that flag and IMHO it is disrespectful not to stand at attention while our anthem is being sung.
While no body can dispute your post, I gotta say.....I get very uncomfortable with any demonstrations at all, and those that use the flag included.

What, and it may be just me, wonders about....

...Nobody complains at any sporting event, our television cameras showing folks draped in patriotic gear, scratching their privates, couples kissing, people eating their hot dogs nd talking, while the anthem plays. NEVER saw anybody get angry at that. I know many people who wish they didn't play the anthem any longer, which only dates back to the 1940's because it is disrespectful.

....Nobody complained when our own Tea Party waved and used as an emblem of their movement, the "Don't Tread on Me" flag. This flag was used "instead" of the Stars and Stripes which was no visible at many of the rallies, and was so embraced that one state passed a law making it protected totally like the American Flag. (Don't tread on me was a BRITISH flag demonstrating against the USA on taxation while being non citizens). They simply ignored the USA flag, and many felt that was disrespectable to the US flag.

.....Those opposed to Vietnam actually burned our flag to represent their displeasure with political actions taken b our government. And the Supreme Court ruled that was okay to do. A later congressional action then passed a flag protection act.

Our flag gives back what we put into it.

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,” goes our nation’s oath.

If I can recall one mans addition to this from the 60's ....
“A house divided against itself cannot stand.” To which we also might add, “No justice, no peace.”

The flag has been "used" as a symbol for years, and I really my time in military, an officer telling a few of us over a few beers that the Flag meant a lot......and different things to different people. Some he agreed with and some he did not, but no matter, to each of them whether they protested of saluted, they used the flag as a centerpiece which means it represents our country, good and bad.
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They are free to kneel but I am free to think it is a disrespectful thing to do and oppose it in a peaceful manner.
Absolutely, and that's why it's a free country.
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If players on the teams I root for start kneeling will do two things
1. Write to the team and express my displeasure.
2. Make a list of all sponsors of the game and tell those sponsors will not be purchasing their product due to the disrespecting of our flag.

Hopefully a lot of people will do this and this will stop.
They are not “disrespecting” the flag. They are showing their patriotism by exercising their right to peaceful protest.
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It's not as bad as being killed because of your skin color - it's just a knee
Hyperbole, on steroids, mixed with liberal guilt. Same old tune ...

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They are not “disrespecting” the flag. They are showing their patriotism by exercising their right to peaceful protest.
Guess we will agree to disagree than.

Nothing wrong to protest in a peaceful manner dont think this is the proper place for it.
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Why? Which ignores the actual reason so many athletes and others are now kneeling. Hint it has nothing to do with disrespect, it has to do with respecting the lives of POC.

Always nice to know that someone's political views should be established as a requirement to play a sport. That's real American freedum. Next thing ya know, maybe we can get back to when only good old white boys could play baseball. I'd watch it if it were only white boys.
Have you notice that its mostly White Boys watching Black Boys play Pro-basketball...
A Canadian or any other nationality playing sports in the United States disrespecting our Flag, should NOT be welcomed here!
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So, you've never heard of Freedom of Speech? I believe it's the first thing they mention in that document we call the Constitution. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.
The only items missing are the hippie beads, the peace sign and a burning US flag ...


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I don't get it. What's the big deal? Don't we live in a free country?
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So, you've never heard of Freedom of Speech? I believe it's the first thing they mention in that document we call the Constitution. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it wrong.
Ever try to exercise your " Freedom of Speech " at your place of employment ? Let alone day after day and in front of your employer's customers ?

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