And NO ONE is suggesting that every Tom, Dick & Harry have one of those!

Complete nonsense...

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Wrong again...

The .223/5.56 cartridge was chosen due to it's light weight (you could carry more) and that they tend to WOUND, not KILL. Hence, it would take more people out of the fight. Those wounded and those tending to the wounded...

Many of the troops complain that it is not deadly enough of a round...

I enjoy your input.

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Please keep posting and learn to use the Ignore List function. There are some people and posts really not worth reading.

Gun ban
 

You sir are a dreamer. How did outlawing prostitution work? How did outlawing drugs work? How did Prohibition work 100 years ago. Criminals are criminals and pay no attention to laws or bans. They will do what they do with impunity knowing no law abiding citizen is armed to prevent it. Not to mention gov------nt. There are loopholes that could be closed and monitoring of the unwell mentally ill, but a ban deprived the wrong people and removes too many deterrents.

I never wrote anything like you are implying.

I AM suggesting they do something about stopping the selling of weapons which were designed at their inception for use in warfare. There is no getting the hornets back in the nest after you have destroyed it.

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AK Rifle?????
 

Do you even know what an AK Rifle is? These type of weapons sold to the law abiding public are not fully automatic weapons as are the military versions. They are no more or less capable to obliterate than a ordinary semiautomatic hunting rifle. Maybe know the facts about what you are talking about before taking to the key board

Really? Tell that to parents of the kids killed at Parkland. They did see the photos of the damage this weapon caused. Parkland high school shooting - Wikipedia

AR-15 style rifle - Wikipedia

Smith & Wesson M&P15 - Wikipedia

Assault weapon
 

What you describe as an assault weapon are not all that high powered. Big game hunting rifles are high powered. They are only capable of being fired as fast as a person can pull the trigger. They are not fully automatic weapons like the military versions. Many types of hand gun ammunition will do much greater damage than an assault weapon round. The only correct thing in your post is they do have larger magazines than most other rifle type guns but many handguns are capable of larger capacities. When you post use the facts not your imagination, know your subject and you will appear less silly.

It is the number of rounds coming out of the barrel. Again. Tell what you are selling to the parents of the Parkland kids.

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That is because of the worship of guns in this country and the idiotic idea that collecting them will serve as some kind of check on government. They are much better trained and armed than any armchair wanna be warriors.

Assertions
 

No I think he was pretty much on the money

Hardly.

Why do you and many others try to diminish the evil brutality of the Nazi government? It was the most brutal, inhuman and evil event in world history. To compare it to the trivial political spats today is an insult to those who died in the Holocaust. Do some reading of those events by the survivors, watch the many documentaries about this terrible time in history. Spend the money and travel to Europe and see first hand the few remaining death camps.

Powerful
 

Doesn't change the fact that they don't do any more or less damage than any other semi automatic weapon. Actually less than a bigger caliber rifle, or a handgun using some form of hollow point bullet meant to inflict maximum damage. So pointing your finger at what you call an assault weapon based on others opinions and not on facts is irresponsible.

Ridiculous response. The facts in what weapons were used in the shootings of 2023 show different.

Shootings
 

I am not diminishing the horrors of mass shootings only the non factual postings about what is and is not an assault rifle. The versions sold to the public are not the military versions, and no more dangerous than other firearms. A deranged person will simply find another avenue for his sick activity.
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What does that have to do with anything? And deranged people can now just pick up an assault rifle. Other kinds of weapons that can cause mass casualties are hard to get, use, and transport. Assault rifles are not.

I think one of the reasons the AR15 is used so often is because the media and anti-gun zealots have portrayed it as the ultimate, most death dealing weapon in the history of firearms. In the close quarters of school rooms, a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 Buck Shot will wreak far more destruction. Do you remember this mass shooting?

The Washington Navy Yard shooting occurred on September 16, 2013, when 34-year-old Aaron Alexis fatally shot 12 people and injured three others in a mass shooting at the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) inside the Washington Navy Yard in southeast Washington, D.C. The attack took place in the Navy Yard's Building 197; it began around 8:16 a.m. EDT and ended when police killed Alexis around 9:25 a.m. It is the deadliest mass shooting in Washington, D.C. history, as well as the second deadliest mass murder on a U.S. military base, behind the 2009 Fort Hood shooting.

You can read the whole story here: Washington Navy Yard shooting - Wikipedia

The murderer used a 12 gauge shotgun.

Yes, the AR15 is an efficient killing implement, but so are all other centerfire cartridge rifles. Yes, the AR15 is a weapon of war, but nearly every rifle ever made has been used as a weapon of war.
I'm going to keep harping on the fact that we have a violence problem in this country. Why is this not the primary topic of concern in this country? Too many people don't want to talk about it because it will require complicated, expensive and possibly controversial actions to fix the problem. It's much easier to blame an inanimate object for the weak minded to embrace as the cure-all, taking the pressure off gutless politicians.

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Worth a look.

Shotguns make excellent home defense weapons.

We are not blaming guns. We ARE blaming those that sell , market and glamorize weapons primarily designed for use on battlefields.

You probably won't read the article I just posted about the Washington Navy Yard mass shooting. The article cited stated that the killer cut down the barrel and stock of a shot gun, disassembled it and stuck it in a shoulder bag. He then went into a bathroom in the navy yard, assembled it and murdered 12 people. Easy to get, use, and transport, wasn't that what you said?
What other kinds of weapons that can cause mass casualties are hard to get? 12 gauge shotguns are available in nearly all gun shops and are no harder to obtain than a rifle. The murderer in the medical clinic incident being discussed used a "blow out both lungs" 9mm semiauto pistol, not a so-called assault rifle.

Do you not know that shotguns were used extensively in WWI, WWII and in Viet Nam? In WW I shotguns were used as trench clearing weapons, not only in 12 gauge, but 10 gauge which is much more powerful than a 12 gauge. They were devastating in trench clearing. They were so effective that the Germans lodged a protest against the use of shotguns as they were against the law of warfare.

Weapons
 

Say What? Do you think AR-15s or AK-47s are easier to get than hand guns, hunting rifles, shot guns etc. Do you really think they are easier to hide than a hand gun or sawed off high capacity shot gun. Unless you are referring to hand grenades you are off base.

Weapons
 

Thank you, well stated.

Australia banned certain guns and gun violence went DOWN there. The main difference between the US and Australia is that Australia does NOT have the NRA. So, that tells me that SOMETHING could be done about US gun murders .....but that it is MORE IMPORTANT to have the US NRA protect the profits of the GUN MANUFACTURERS.
...........Murders and mass murders are INCREASING each year. The US is the country with the most GUNS in the hands of civilians - so, why haven't the murders DECREASED. Hint.......they are not going to DECREASE, JUST THE OPPOSITE. More gun sales ADD to the PROBLEM, they have NOT decreased the problem.

That is VERY TRUE about a shotgun being a better defensive weapon for a homeowner than a AR-15 style weapon, which is designed to kill or wound up to 10 or more victims. Recoil (or lack of it) is the main advantage of an AR-15-style rifle. AR-15-style rifles are EASY to use because the normal cartridge is the 223, which has low RECOIL. Shotguns and deer rifles NORMALLY have MORE recoil than a 223. The 223 has low recoil and high velocity so it has almost ZERO back-kick (recoil) and still delivers high energy downrange - up to about 300 yards.
.........Pistols have the problem that the short distance between the back sight and the front sight makes it difficult to hit anything except at close range - and takes more practice than a short-barreled 223. Also, the pistol cartridges hit with WAY less knockdown power.
..........So, basically, the short-barreled rifle in 223 caliber is the weapon of choice for KILLING people. The NRA would block any attempt to ban any particular weapon, but AK-47 were banned years ago. An AR-15 in 223 would be an ideal weapon to ban because it's main use is to KILL HUMANS.

You’re one funny guy. A .223 has more stopping power than a pistol round? My 1911 in .45ACP will knock you down a lot better than a.223 coming from a rifle or pistol. It’s posts like this that make people ignore you. You have no credibility. You just spew stuff that you wish was true just so you can troll your agenda.

It seems to matter how you define "powerful".

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Disclosure though-- I have not fired a gun of any kind since can, bottle and derelict car and truck shooting at a dump near Reno, Nevada in 1982 with my grandfather.

The AK-47 is not banned.
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Another shooting. This time in a mall in Texas.

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My gun is not dangerous. Crazy people are dangerous.

Did you bother to read the article you posted?

It said "he could also have used a bump stock"...

You cannot make a determination from sound alone. You MUST examine the weapon to see if it was modified or not...

That article has ZERO info on that...

P.S. The post you responded to was chock full of nonsense...

Cho killed 30 ADULTS at VA Tech with two handguns. A 9mm and a .22...

But sure, play the emotional card...

The Parkland shooter had a bag filled with 10 round magazines. He changed them out quickly... That is less rounds per magazine than many handguns...

More emotional nonsense...

Because they have no other argument to make...

Many more "mass shootings" are done using handguns, every single year...

More factually incorrect nonsense...

You should pay attention to much of the article...

Australian's now own More guns than before the ban and gun violence is still lower there...

It's their culture, not the guns...

This was incorrect the first time you posted it. Repeating it does not make it any more correct...