Originally Posted by Whatnext (Post 2427045)

Could not agree more. Whilst there are many children with disabilities, there are far more claiming to be, who are not.
It is almost a social standing requirement these days to have at least one acronym behind a child's name, to cover bad parenting and unsocial behavior.
A good clout round the ear, and teaching the word "NO!" in formative years, would have cured most of the little darlings present problems.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2427049)

And clouting someone on the ear is your idea of "good social behavior?"

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2426799)

What is the cause and effect? How long have we had food additives and how long have kids had autism? What has changed?

My Mom and my aunt both had a bad flu when me and my cousin Jeff were in the wombs. I had a lot of developmental problems and was in the short bus at times in Wisconsin. My cousin never had a teacher like Mrs. Barbara Mitchell that saw something in me and honed my talents. Basically by telling me I could do a lot better. Jeff died a paranoid schizophrenic a few years to in a facility in Illinois. I still owe Mrs. Mitchell so much . I earned 4 degrees. I have had problems here and there but keep fighting them . Sometimes it just takes someone to put the fight in them .


I do not see the labels people put on other people as so fixed. Of course there are a lot of limits with respect to opportunities given . Often based on your zip code . We have it pretty good in the Villages.


It would be interesting to see what kind of incidents there are of autism here in this zip code and how they are related to food in our grocery stores.

Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2427070)

Is this April 1? An April fools joke? MJ is the culprit? Last I checked, the 60’s were the age of peace and love and drugs.
Respectfully, you may want to look at the child vaccination schedule. That is what has changed over the last 6 decades.
I’m over 60. I had 5 vaccinations to enter school. Today, there are dozens of vaccinations needed. At such an early age. This is child abuse, but that’s just me. That is your smoking gun.

Originally Posted by Katheelee (Post 2426941)

I have been involved with the autism community since 1976. The rates were not 1 in 51, it was 1 in several hundred- thousand. I have taught students with autism since 1981. The increase is real. It is not due to pot ( unless now pot is being sprayed with chemicals in production)
What is true, is that asperger is now in the definition of autism through the dsm-v. It used to have it's own category and they combined them. These are the individuals that in the 60's and 70's when i went to school were what we considered " nerds" or "brains" they were super smart in a chosen area and had no social skills.
Even with the melding of the 2 categories into one, the increase is real! There are 3 levels of autism based on the dsm-v. Level 1 is our aspergery friends that need minimal supports to function in society. Level 2 are our friends that will need supports, maybe hold a very routine job ( with help), and may be able to live on their own but will still need support in their lives to be able to do that. Then we have tge level 3 friends. These require continually supports throughout the day. They will most likely live with their parents their entire life. They will most likely not have a job, are at time nonverbal, lower cognitively, and struggle in daily living skills. They also have a higher incidence of aggression towards themselves and others
Our numbers have increased due the the diagnostic criteria BUT, the level 3 numbers have increased significantly! These people would get the diagnosis upon walking into the doctors office. They would get the diagnosis back in 1977 when I started. In my school, we have gone from 4 level 3 students in 2017 to 19 in 2024. We have 18 right now in our preschool that will be coming our way next school year. I am thankful RFK is looking at the cause. There are so many studies determining genetics, environmental causes ( plastics, GMO'S ,etc) and now the gut health of the pregnant mother. We need to find the answer for the level 3 kids. There is nothing out there for them once they age out of school and not much help for parents/relief for the 24 hour a day responsibility of taking care of these individuals.

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2426781)

Suggest you do a little further research than just a "news" article from a company that sells food additives and preservatives. It's not so much that we have additives in our foods but what type of additives are being used. Many are petroleum based. When's the last time your doctor said, " take a teaspoon of crude oil and call me in the morning"? The manner in which foods are processed is a problem too. Toxic chemicals are used and vitals nutrients lost.

Lots of health problems being discovered related to our food supply. No doubt other environmental factors are at play as well. It's time we impartially research causes and take steps to remedy the problems. No more letting big business profit at the expense of our health.

Originally Posted by mraines (Post 2427080)

Are you insinuating that vaccines are responsible?

Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 2427145)

Remember the good ole days when a loaf of bread got moldy within 5 days?

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler (Post 2427147)

I'm interested in someone providing a reasonable explanation about the situation I described -- which has occurred many, many times. So far, on this longish thread, no one has an explanation.

The reality is that, yes, it was after taking numerous vaccine injections later than is typical - probably between 9 months to 2 or 3 years old, some children experienced dramatic changes in their learning abilities and/or personalities. It was obvious because the parents and Doctor already had baselines for those related to that child.

It's hardly news, this information, the stories and the data have been around for many years. But, for some truly bizarre reason, some people regard vaccines like a religion - they simply believe. Which is a mighty strange way to approach chemicals being injected into your body.....for which only you incur the risk. The pharma companies have none.

Let's see what the HHS/NIH agencies come up with after they study the autism problem and potential causes.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2427154)

..... forget the dozens (if not hundreds) of studies showing NO LINK between vaccines autism!

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler (Post 2427160)

Ahem, you need to check the facts on that claim. No hundreds and no dozens. Have there been ANY credible studies about that? That weren't funded or influenced by big pharma? (Which would, of course, make them not credible.) I'd be happy to review links to any.

I think you are repeating media claims. Aaah yes, the 21st century Mockingbird Media. It's astounding how successful they are in acquiring believers via sheer repetition.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2427154)

Yeah! Forget the hundreds of hours of trials to get FDA approval and forget the dozens (if not hundreds) of studies showing NO LINK between vaccines autism! Wait till the skeptics, conspiracy theorists, and simple wackos CREATE the result they are looking for!

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2426944)

The degree of advancement of a society is how it treats the poor, the disabled, and the elderly. The tradeoff is cost and time to keep this portion of society functioning.

The downside is that we are the products of evolution of discarding any poor/faulty genetic combinations, and therefore strongest gene pool survives. The more complex the organism, the more fragile the existence is. . there are trade offs.

The degree of advancement of a society is how it treats the poor, the disabled, and the elderly.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2427163)

The simple answer is no, there are no studies that you will agree are credible.

There are dozens if not hundreds of studies
They were performed by professional researchers in respected labs
They were reviewed by experts in the field
They were published in respected journals
They all show no link between vaccines and autism
But because you don't like that result, they are not credible.

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2427175)

If there is one thing we learned during Covid, it is that Big government, big pharma and the medical industry can not be trusted 100% when their special interest and power are at stake.
They denied that there were any dangerous side effects of the vaccine and that Covid did not pose a serious threat of severe illness to the young and healthy. They also put out a false story about how COVID started in a wet market. Have you noticed that nobody is making that claim anymore?
That being said, there was one seemingly credible study which supported the premise that the MMR vaccine was not dangerous to young children.
A Japanese research study has provided the strongest proof yet that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccination does not cause autism, by showing that rates of autism in Japan continued to rise even after the triple vaccine was withdrawn.
Japanese study is more evidence that MMR does not cause autism - PMC.
But there were also many reports to VAERS that children becamevery sick including some who became Autistic. Maybe it is just a coincidence that the rates of Autism sky rocketed around the same time that the MMR was rolled out.

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler (Post 2427147)

I'm interested in someone providing a reasonable explanation about the situation I described -- which has occurred many, many times. So far, on this longish thread, no one has an explanation.

The reality is that, yes, it was after taking numerous vaccine injections later than is typical - probably between 9 months to 2 or 3 years old, some children experienced dramatic changes in their learning abilities and/or personalities. It was obvious because the parents and Doctor already had baselines for those related to that child.

It's hardly news, this information, the stories and the data have been around for many years. But, for some truly bizarre reason, some people regard vaccines like a religion - they simply believe. Which is a mighty strange way to approach chemicals being injected into your body.....for which only you incur the risk. The pharma companies have none.

Let's see what the HHS/NIH agencies come up with after they study the autism problem and potential causes.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2427177)

Not believing in vaccines IS like a religion. It is like a flat earth society. Measles is the obvious example. It was irradiated in the US for years and THEN the anti-vaxxers come along and RUIN a good thing. Because of their stupidity many people have died and the US has one MORE unnecessary problem to deal with. Way to go anti-vaxxer, anti-government types.

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2427179)

There is no serious movement opposing all vaccines. It is the MMR that has drawn the most criticism. And to date there has been no rational or credible scientific explanation for the dramatic rise of Autism. I am optimistic that HHS will find the root cause.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI (Post 2426751)

It was reported that 1 in 31 newborns will have autism. Autism does have different levels, say 1-5 which it never had in the past, 50's or 60's. So diagnosis is much better now where it was minimal years ago. In the 70's it was 1 in 54.

So part of the reason is better diagnosis. However, what is around today that wasn't around in the 60's. You guessed it Marijuana!

41% of people 19-34 either use or have used Mary Jane. And now that it is a recreational accepted drug, pregnant women seem to think it isn't harmful to a fetus.
I still don't agree with calling it a fetus, it's a baby. Mary Jane just doesn't leave your system overnite.

I think the government will eventually find this out that it's not whats in the water that causes autism. It's in the smoke. Admitting it will be another issue so they don't disturb a multi million dollar business. DAH

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2427187)

Maybe they changed the definition of autism? It seemed pretty narrow in the 1970s and 1980s. History of autism - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2427177)

Not believing in vaccines IS like a religion. It is like a flat earth society. Measles is the obvious example. It was eradicated in the US for years and THEN the anti-vaxxers come along and RUINED a good thing. Because of their stupidity many people have died and the US has one MORE unnecessary problem to deal with. Way to go anti-vaxxer, anti-government types.

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2426943)

Vaccines have no link to Autism and Covid originated in a wet market in China. I know this because the Government and the media told me so.

Originally Posted by ChrisTinaBruce (Post 2427220)

I was shocked that it took 27 posts before the extreme increase in vaccinations in children could be a reason for the increase in autism.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI (Post 2426751)

It was reported that 1 in 31 newborns will have autism. Autism does have different levels, say 1-5 which it never had in the past, 50's or 60's. So diagnosis is much better now where it was minimal years ago. In the 70's it was 1 in 54.

So part of the reason is better diagnosis. However, what is around today that wasn't around in the 60's. You guessed it Marijuana!

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler (Post 2427267)

I'll pose two more important questions (that will likely go unanswered)
For those that simply believe vaccines are miracle drugs that work and have no risk:
-- Why would you care whether someone else declines to take them? If you have and believe you are protected that should be enough for you. Why is it not?
-- If they are safe, why have vaccine manufacturers had immunity from liability for decades? What other huge industry has such protection? Why does big pharma have it for that class of drugs?

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2427322)

The reason it doesn't get answered is because your question is based on something that isn't true in the first place.

Everyone knows there are risks when getting a vaccine, of any kind, no matter who they are. You present a fallacy of many questions - you start out with the premise that something untrue, is true, and base your questions off the untrue premise.

Originally Posted by HappyTraveler (Post 2427341)

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-- Why would you care whether someone else declines to take them?

-- Why have vaccine manufacturers had immunity from liability for decades?