Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1957232)

Sorry you don't see a problem with giving out free illegal drugs.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1957068)

Notice I said, "seems to imply", where you and others constantly tell me exactly what I am saying, and are wrong. By saying "seems to imply", I am asking if I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I am explaining what I think you are saying and you are welcome to correct me.

And if you look at my posts you will see I have no problem, when someone does clarify and show I misunderstood, saying, "I apologize, I misunderstood you".

How often have you said that? Just asking, not accusing you of anything.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1957263)

I only tell you you're wrong when you're wrong! Not my fault you are wrong so often!

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1957283)

Well, I apologize for not being perfect, I am glad you are.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1957237)

What?

The thread is about giving out Beer and Donuts as an incentive to get people to get the vaccination?

There was a comment about Marijuana somewhere in here also, but MJ is not illegal in this state, you simply have to have a license - sort of like driving a car requires a license.

Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1957651)

Washington state giving free pot to get a shot. Beer, donuts and now pot.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1956025)

Doctors insurance is an insignificant drop in the bucket called "healthcare" in this country.

Those "other countries" aren't very specific, but the US is behind in almost every healthcare outcome statistic - infant mortality, cost, accessibility, and all.

And what we lack in outcomes we make up by paying 2 1/2 times what most single-payer government-provided healthcare systems in the rest of the first world pay.

I certainly can appreciate there are bad systems out there, and I am certain most/some of them are socialist. But, if you are talking about the best of the best, we, our great country that used to be at the top of the list is now in 17th place in the world concerning healthcare.

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 1956284)

Just what we need. The government running health insurance. Everyone knows the government is so cost conscious and proficient in running all the programs it manages.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1958053)

Actually, the V.A. and mediCare are VERY efficient programs.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1956346)

I don't know how they rate our health care system, but I do know what I have experienced overseas and I do know how much folks in other countries PAY for their gov run fiasco. Like standing in lines for months to get treated or even examined? Do you like being put in a ward for days, that resembles living in a military barracks (with curtains) instead of a private room.....or even a shared room? Do you mind paying at least half of your paycheck in payroll deductions, when you are supposed to be middle class and have to live like our lower class earners? Before looking at the grass on the other side of the fence, thinking it is tastier....try living it before moving.
An interesting publication (kind of old by now) regarding world health care, compares health care and costs of many countries in the world. The publication is called "The Grass Is Not Always Greener" from the CATO Institute, I believe. I'm sure there will be those that wish to "politically" disparage the old publication, but I found it to be interesting none the less.
I also find it interesting that Canadians come to our country for treatment. I have a niece that is a nurse in Canada that comes to our country for treatment. Makes one wonder what she knows. Her mother died of cancer back in the late '70s, having had trouble getting treated in Canada. Not saying that she might have survived if treated earlier.
Yes, we need a better system. But, I would NEVER EVER want the gov to run or manage our health care, based on their track record.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1956346)

I don't know how they rate our health care system, but I do know what I have experienced overseas and I do know how much folks in other countries PAY for their gov run fiasco. Like standing in lines for months to get treated or even examined? Do you like being put in a ward for days, that resembles living in a military barracks (with curtains) instead of a private room.....or even a shared room? Do you mind paying at least half of your paycheck in payroll deductions, when you are supposed to be middle class and have to live like our lower class earners? Before looking at the grass on the other side of the fence, thinking it is tastier....try living it before moving.
An interesting publication (kind of old by now) regarding world health care, compares health care and costs of many countries in the world. The publication is called "The Grass Is Not Always Greener" from the CATO Institute, I believe. I'm sure there will be those that wish to "politically" disparage the old publication, but I found it to be interesting none the less.
I also find it interesting that Canadians come to our country for treatment. I have a niece that is a nurse in Canada that comes to our country for treatment. Makes one wonder what she knows. Her mother died of cancer back in the late '70s, having had trouble getting treated in Canada. Not saying that she might have survived if treated earlier.
Yes, we need a better system. But, I would NEVER EVER want the gov to run or manage our health care, based on their track record.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1958053)

Actually, the V.A. and mediCare are VERY efficient programs.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1957237)

What?

The thread is about giving out Beer and Donuts as an incentive to get people to get the vaccination?

There was a comment about Marijuana somewhere in here also, but MJ is not illegal in this state, you simply have to have a license - sort of like driving a car requires a license.