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Don Ferguson 08-27-2020 02:48 PM

Lots of passion today! A FEW TRUTHS:

(1) A black person in America is more than 60 times more likely to be killed by a black person than a white person! (FBI Crime Report, Homicide Statistics, Table 6).

(2) BLM Cares not a whit about that fact, ONLY the few blacks that are killed by white police officers. Go to their own web site and READ IT!

(3) Every day, in America THOUSANDS of people have to decide how to respond to a police stop. (EVERY RACE) 99.9% of these people understand YOU DO NOT FIGHT PHYSICALLY. If you think you have been wrongfully stopped or harassed, there are countless legal remedies and attorneys that will represent you (pro-bono) in a heartbeat. Look at EVERY case in America that is costing billions of dollars in rioting damages. EVERY CASE INVOLVES A BLACK MAN THAT HAS HAS CHOSEN to physically resist a police officer! When you can cite even ONE EXCEPTION I will change my opinion.

4. Police in this country rightfully fear for their lives, daily! Police ambushes and outright unprovoked murders FAR OUTNUMBER all the blacks killed by police officers! If you have a modicum of common sense you DO NOT PHYSICALLY CHALLENGE someone that fears for their life!

(5) The racist BLM movement is CREATING more racists, in America, than any organization has done before.

Tennisnut 08-27-2020 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kimgarwel12@gmail.com (Post 1823569)
We stopped watching pro sports when Kaepernick took a knee. And some are "impressed" with his stand against police brutality?? What.....by wearing socks with pigs on them dressed like police?? Please!! If these pro athletes are THAT impassioned about these issues, why aren't they putting their money where their mouths are and sitting down with law enforcement, mentoring at-risk kids in the inner cities, etc?? Until THEY are hit where it hurts.....in the pocketbook, they'll continue to think any of us are impressed by their antics, keep following them and bowing down. SO sick of it all.

Kapernick lost north of $50M for his cause against black racism. I think that he has put a lot of money where his mouth is. I wonder how many on this site would have done the same for thier cause of indignation regarding what is happening in America?

Stu from NYC 08-27-2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Ferguson (Post 1823841)
Lots of passion today! A FEW TRUTHS:

(1) A black person in America is more than 60 times more likely to be killed by a black person than a white person! (FBI Crime Report, Homicide Statistics, Table 6).

(2) BLM Cares not a whit about that fact, ONLY the few blacks that are killed by white police officers. Go to their own web site and READ IT!

(3) Every day, in America THOUSANDS of people have to decide how to respond to a police stop. (EVERY RACE) 99.9% of these people understand YOU DO NOT FIGHT PHYSICALLY. If you think you have been wrongfully stopped or harassed, there are countless legal remedies and attorneys that will represent you (pro-bono) in a heartbeat. Look at EVERY case in America that is costing billions of dollars in rioting damages. EVERY CASE INVOLVES A BLACK MAN THAT HAS HAS CHOSEN to physically resist a police officer! When you can cite even ONE EXCEPTION I will change my opinion.

4. Police in this country rightfully fear for their lives, daily! Police ambushes and outright unprovoked murders FAR OUTNUMBER all the blacks killed by police officers! If you have a modicum of common sense you DO NOT PHYSICALLY CHALLENGE someone that fears for their life!

(5) The racist BLM movement is CREATING more racists, in America, than any organization has done before.

You nailed it

jimjamuser 08-27-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1823716)
Where is the outrage for Jerry Fallwell , whose opinions many people take as truth , while looting his university and living an opposite life style , should he just shut up and pray also and how about the just recent retired president of the Boston police union who has been a talking head on national and local tv for loose morals and being soft on crIminals he’s been in jail for a few weeks now for molesting girls between the ages of 9 and 14 and more keep coming forward so you see there are other people we can be outraged about

White collar criminals hurt society MUCH more than Blue collar criminals.

Tennisnut 08-27-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Ferguson (Post 1823841)
Lots of passion today! A FEW TRUTHS:

(1) A black person in America is more than 60 times more likely to be killed by a black person than a white person! (FBI Crime Report, Homicide Statistics, Table 6).

(2) BLM Cares not a whit about that fact, ONLY the few blacks that are killed by white police officers. Go to their own web site and READ IT!

(3) Every day, in America THOUSANDS of people have to decide how to respond to a police stop. (EVERY RACE) 99.9% of these people understand YOU DO NOT FIGHT PHYSICALLY. If you think you have been wrongfully stopped or harassed, there are countless legal remedies and attorneys that will represent you (pro-bono) in a heartbeat. Look at EVERY case in America that is costing billions of dollars in rioting damages. EVERY CASE INVOLVES A BLACK MAN THAT HAS HAS CHOSEN to physically resist a police officer! When you can cite even ONE EXCEPTION I will change my opinion.

4. Police in this country rightfully fear for their lives, daily! Police ambushes and outright unprovoked murders FAR OUTNUMBER all the blacks killed by police officers! If you have a modicum of common sense you DO NOT PHYSICALLY CHALLENGE someone that fears for their life!

(5) The racist BLM movement is CREATING more racists, in America, than any organization has done before.

If you look at statistics , most murders are intraracial ( same race) with FBI data from 2017 follows this trend: 80.2% of white victims were killed by white offenders, 8.9% of Black victims were killed by whites, 88.5% of Black victims were killed by Blacks, and 16.1% of whites were killed by Blacks.

So if I were I were you, I would be more worried about white neighbor. Sarcasm.

These statistics show that these murders are more of a crime of opportunity since we are still primarily a segregated society.

Dgizzi 08-27-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1823345)
The Milwaukee Bucks are boycotting their playoff game today in protest of the police shooting of Jacob Blake in Kenosha, WI. The NBA and National Basketball Players Association announced all games Wednesday would be postponed after the Bucks players' decision.

The Milwaukee Brewers and Cincinnati Reds are reportedly boycotting their baseball game tonight at Miller Park.

Seeing all the games are virtual and no fans are inconvenienced (except for maybe having to pick up the remote to change the station), it will be interesting to see fan reaction.

Personally, I am so over professional sports.

I was over sports a long time ago. They get paid way to much for “playing” games all day and they cry they want more money. They are all worthless. Hope athletes suffer and lose their jobs like many others. They deserve too

jimjamuser 08-27-2020 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by conman5652@aol.com (Post 1823746)
If BLM then do it pride and respect But when you burn and threaten people like the lady in DC eating her lunch because she wouldn’t raise her fist and destroy businesses and buildings there’s no pride in that and there’s no respect you’re just thugs and criminals

True! That lady WAS harassed big time. That WAS wrong. And they were spreading possible CV droplets on her. She had a mask on. SOME people can ruin a good cause. They crossed a point of over-zealousness from which ALL of them can NOT return. Total shame. The CLOSEST ones SHOULD get civil or Criminal charges!!!!

Tennisbum 08-27-2020 03:13 PM

hmmmm, didn't know they were still a thing! Too busy watching reruns of Johnny Carson!!! Well I think if they are not going to play they should not get paid......lets see how strong their allegiance really is!!! I Oh well back to watching Blazing Saddles!

Florida17 08-27-2020 03:14 PM

We used to call that a forfiet😕

Tennisbum 08-27-2020 03:21 PM

Gee now what will I do? Maybe go wash the dog....Oh wait, I don't watch them anyway! However I have been enjoying some hockey if you want to watch sports with no drama!

talktome 08-27-2020 04:24 PM

Well said!

Cranford61 08-27-2020 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1823397)
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yikes! 13 posts with the exact same feelings re pro sports. Make that 14!
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mine makes 15

Red White & Blue 08-27-2020 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 1823846)
Kapernick lost north of $50M for his cause against black racism. I think that he has put a lot of money where his mouth is. I wonder how many on this site would have done the same for thier cause of indignation regarding what is happening in America?

His greed for attention backfired on him and got KICKED OUT of the work area!

waltwl 08-27-2020 06:01 PM

Oh what a loss. I'm going to cry my self to sleep tonight.

Stu from NYC 08-27-2020 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Red White & Blue (Post 1823926)
His greed for attention backfired on him and got KICKED OUT of the work area!

Unfortunately Nike decided he should be their spokesman. As a result no new Nike anaything.

tophcfa 08-27-2020 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1823938)
Unfortunately Nike decided he should be their spokesman. As a result no new Nike anaything.

The Nike swoosh represents the sound of money swooshing out of you wallet for their overpriced crap anyways. Sketchers for me, no more Nikes.

Robin Farris 08-27-2020 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1823491)
An unarmed white person is twice as likely to be shot by the police as an unarmed black person. The difference is that the national news is 100% more likely to report the black killing. If Floyd was white, you wouldn’t even know his name, because the national news networks wouldn’t have bothered picking up his story...

This is so true. And yes more whites are killed than blacks every year. People need to check their facts...but we don’t hear about those do we? Of course not because yes in fact the media would be all over that immediately. These spoiled players deserve NO PAY and if I was the coach I would replace every single one of them. And if you did not stand for our flag then get your a** off the court. If you don’t love and respect your country then you have no right to play here. There will be no sports watched in this house!! I am so over all the adult temper tantrums 😡

Stu from NYC 08-27-2020 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1823941)
The Nike swoosh represents the sound of money swooshing out of you wallet for their overpriced crap anyways. Sketchers for me, no more Nikes.

The interesting thing is Nike is ok to these people even though their workers in 3rd world countries work in horrible conditions.

Number 10 GI 08-27-2020 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisnut (Post 1823846)
Kapernick lost north of $50M for his cause against black racism. I think that he has put a lot of money where his mouth is. I wonder how many on this site would have done the same for thier cause of indignation regarding what is happening in America?

He lost the money because he was a lousy quarterback and was on his way out.

Number 10 GI 08-27-2020 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1823838)
Tamir Rice was 12 and was killed for having a fake toy gun.

Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, killed two people. Walked by police after killing two people. Got to go home and sleep.

This is why people PROTEST.

How is this any different than the white guy in Wisconsin that was stomped and kicked nearly to death which was observed by the police and the criminals weren't arrested and allowed to leave the area??????????

Number 10 GI 08-27-2020 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1823848)
White collar criminals hurt society MUCH more than Blue collar criminals.

Oh please!!!!!! A white collar criminal usually only takes money, blue collar criminals assault and murder people. What's more important your money or your life? You really can't see the difference?

Red White & Blue 08-27-2020 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1823938)
Unfortunately Nike decided he should be their spokesman. As a result no new Nike anaything.

That's one manufacture brand that I will never buy again, its been 1 1/2 years since I bought anything with a Nike emblem....

valuemkt 08-27-2020 07:51 PM

right now all the NBA thugs are encamped in orlando, physically separated from the real world, a world they know little about. Like many posters, I haven;t watched an NBA game in years. The great majority of these thugs can do one thing and one thing only.. shoot a basketball. I could care less about their political views, which carry as much weight with me as Alec Baldwin's, Barbara Streisand or Julia Dreyfuss. The only danger of ending the season early is that they will leave Orlando and spread to all corners of the world, carrying their anti US ANTIFA message. I only hope that the COVID inspired empty seats are something that will be repeated for them for many years to come

David Fletcher 08-27-2020 08:11 PM

This is about police violence. If anybody thinks seven bullets in the back is appropriate for walking away from a police person then frankly they are part of the problem.

America is on fire “ Wake Up” before it is too late.

Mendy 08-27-2020 08:48 PM

Very Sad!
 
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1823815)
Yes!!!! Finally a voice of reason. They is also a WNBA player that this year gave up a year of their career (and their careers ar preciously short and they worked much harder for it than an average person). ....Gave up a year of her career to devote to the Black awareness community. I could NEVER have that much compassion for my fellow man. I salute HER! One in a million! She is a better person than myself or most everybody that I have met in TV Land. She is a Saint. And also, everyone knows that Lebron James is highly respected for his giving back to his community and many causes. He is a future leader and a possible Gov. of Ohio. Doc Rivers was right to cry as he said, "We have Loved America, why does not America LOVE us back?????

Completely agree with this post.
My wife and I recently moved to the "bubble." After reading this thread I'm starting to believe some of the warnings we were given about the attitudes of many in the bubble. There are so many strong (and sometimes) racist comments made here in TOTV that are concerning to me. To add on to the above post, there are many professional athletes that give millions of dollars to their communities. They build homes, schools, community centers and much more. Do a little research before you call these athletes thugs and such. Do you not understand what is (and has been happening in America) forever? I have many friends that are black, hispanic, asian, indian, etc and also friends that are cops. Have you ever spoken to any of these people and tried to understand their lives? If so, you may feel a bit differently.

Thanks for letting me vent for a minute.

Northwoods 08-27-2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendy (Post 1823978)
Completely agree with this post.
My wife and I recently moved to the "bubble." After reading this thread I'm starting to believe some of the warnings we were given about the attitudes of many in the bubble. There are so many strong (and sometimes) racist comments made here in TOTV that are concerning to me. To add on to the above post, there are many professional athletes that give millions of dollars to their communities. They build homes, schools, community centers and much more. Do a little research before you call these athletes thugs and such. Do you not understand what is (and has been happening in America) forever? I have many friends that are black, hispanic, asian, indian, etc and also friends that are cops. Have you ever spoken to any of these people and tried to understand their lives? If so, you may feel a bit differently.

Thanks for letting me vent for a minute.

You are allowed to vent!!!
I agree many athletes give back. JJ Watt (WI boy) is a GREAT example. I'm not sure how many athletes give personal wealth... or instead get corporations to contribute. I just don't know.

Here is my issue... athletes are protesting because black people have been shot by police. The shootings are suspect. They are bringing attention to it. They are using their notoriety to put a spotlight on it.

But why aren't they putting the spotlight on all the black people who are shot (and many killed) in many inner cities (NOT by police)? Why are they not trying to reduce the violence that is happening in these cities. The police shootings are a drop in the bucket to the shootings and murders of innocent black victims every day in major cities. There is so much death and violence. Why aren't professional athletes outraged because so many innocent black lives are being snuffed out?

You can't be outraged by the police shootings of black people, and ignore the violence and death that is happening in the streets to black lives every day in our cities.

Velvet 08-27-2020 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Juliebythesea (Post 1823434)
We must stop shooting Black people
It’s not about sports
It’s about taking a stand against murdering people

Yes, sports should have nothing to do with politics. When one prepares to watch a game and is met with an agenda instead, it is like when you go to a Tom Petty rock concert and get bombarded with Jehovahs Witness messages instead. Not fair!
Should be disallowed. No one has the right to hijack a captive audience for their preferred agenda, it doesn’t matter what it is.

Mendy 08-27-2020 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1823987)
You are allowed to vent!!!
I agree many athletes give back. JJ Watt (WI boy) is a GREAT example. I'm not sure how many athletes give personal wealth... or instead get corporations to contribute. I just don't know.

Here is my issue... athletes are protesting because black people have been shot by police. The shootings are suspect. They are bringing attention to it. They are using their notoriety to put a spotlight on it.

But why aren't they putting the spotlight on all the black people who are shot (and many killed) in many inner cities (NOT by police)? Why are they not trying to reduce the violence that is happening in these cities. The police shootings are a drop in the bucket to the shootings and murders of innocent black victims every day in major cities. There is so much death and violence. Why aren't professional athletes outraged because so many innocent black lives are being snuffed out?

You can't be outraged by the police shootings of black people, and ignore the violence and death that is happening in the streets to black lives every day in our cities.

Most athletes (regardless of race) continually address all of the deaths you mention (BLM). They are using this police brutality (where there is video) as part of their platform in an attempt to drive change.

I support the police 100%, but they must weed out the bad ones. Like any profession, you can’t turn a blind eye to those that are doing damage. In speaking to my police friends, all of them acknowledge there are power hungry and racist cops in their forces. This is a big part of the problem. I applaud anyone, including athletes, that are trying to drive a movement of change. To anyone that has not listened to some of the emotional comments made by these “thugs”, please google some of them (start with Doc Rivers, coach of the LA Clippers).

Newsflash.... For those that have been in the bubble for many years and may not be exposed to the real America, the white American will soon be a minority in this country. We all need to respect one another and live together peacefully.

Velvet 08-28-2020 01:25 AM

You know how people tend to react when you try to force something on them, don’t you? If you’re trying to make a point, that’s not the way to go. What you get is definitely not understanding.

maggie1 08-28-2020 05:00 AM

Twice My Size
 
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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1823470)
Smh.......you know better
I love to see you have a man twice you size on drugs knock you to the ground and you just stand up and say it’s okay because your black so I’m going to let that one go.
As a retired officers then you know the real numbers and you know that whites criminals are killed more then blacks but I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative

My friend, if you think that any police office will go through an entire career without being face to face with someone twice his size, then your are sadly mistaken. During my 28 years in law enforcement I've dealt with many that fit that description, and yes, I've had to tiussle with some of them to affect the arrest, but not one time did I need to lean on their neck until they stopped breathing, nor did I have to shoot anyone in the back.

Now regarding your claim that whites criminals are killed in greater numbers than black criminals, I'm sure that you have researched that, so I won't argue the point, except to say, that white population in the U.S. is around 61%, compared to 13% of black. It only goes to figure that white criminals are killed in greater numbers, wouldn't you think?

Sabella 08-28-2020 05:05 AM

Please everyone DO NOT BUY OR SUPPORT NIKE OR UNDERARMOUR.

Stu from NYC 08-28-2020 06:34 AM

They sure think highly of themselves.

Hate the idea they go to a college for one year just to play basketball.

If they go to college think they should stay for 4 years.

harby 08-28-2020 06:47 AM

NBA boycotting...as long as they are aware that they won t lose their salaries...just wanted our attention and pity. Pro athletes have special clauses for their salaries if they opt out, boycott, or whatever they want while we, the US-citizen regular & common workers lose our earnings (laid off or business shut out) so have to apply for unemployment benefit

Swoop 08-28-2020 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by maggie1 (Post 1823994)
My friend, if you think that any police office will go through an entire career without being face to face with someone twice his size, then your are sadly mistaken. During my 28 years in law enforcement I've dealt with many that fit that description, and yes, I've had to tiussle with some of them to affect the arrest, but not one time did I need to lean on their neck until they stopped breathing, nor did I have to shoot anyone in the back.

Now regarding your claim that whites criminals are killed in greater numbers than black criminals, I'm sure that you have researched that, so I won't argue the point, except to say, that white population in the U.S. is around 61%, compared to 13% of black. It only goes to figure that white criminals are killed in greater numbers, wouldn't you think?

You are trying to support your argument by falsely associating one statistic with another. Although whites make up 61% of the population, they do not make up 61% of criminals. Black males make up 6% of the population, yet commit over 50% of the murders in this country. So, if you look at criminals and not the general population, blacks are not killed by police at a disproportionate rate.

greenflash245 08-28-2020 06:56 AM

dear "so over". it is their right to boycott. get over it

Bill1701 08-28-2020 07:02 AM

Pre this year, if a team didn't show up or refused to play it was considered a forfeit.

Danz654 08-28-2020 07:11 AM

You don’t work, you should not get paid. Like spoiled kids.

DeanFL 08-28-2020 07:32 AM

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...in keeping with their "Cancel Culture" - I would suggest that ANY Pro Sports that honors postponement / cancellation / protesting of their games.... BE CANCELLED OUT. period. I would not even click on a channel that is showing these sports - thus inhancing the number of viewers supporting the advertisers and the mega $$$$$ these leagues receive in order to pay these primidonas their millions++++$$$$$$.
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Trishakaye 08-28-2020 07:57 AM

That’s not the point. These millionaire athletes should be helping communities. But no, they’ll protest while sitting on their wealth in gated communities

Shawn714 08-28-2020 08:11 AM

If you don’t do your job, you don’t get paid!! Maybe eventually these sports players and Hollywood elites will eventually lose their pay!


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