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John_W 06-07-2020 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779144)
Please, if you're going to quote my posts, First don't make the print so small I can't even distinguish the words, and then put them in orange on green! I Got it, it's easier to reply when no one can read what your replying too - Good Strategy - when you have a weak comeback!!!

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Originally Posted by John_W
[I]How did you come to that conclusion?? What part didn't you understand??

Here's a lesson in Comprehension 101!!!

That guy is just like the people who get up everyday and try and think of ways to sue Walmart. What am I going to do today to agitate the police and get myself on television. Even the black mayor of Buffalo called out the guy!!!!!! Kind of makes you look silly now to bring this up!!!

Buffalo, N.Y., Mayor Byron Brown (D) on Friday said he was told that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down by police in a viral video was a “major instigator” and an “agitator.”

“According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator,” Brown told WBEN in a radio interview.

In a graphic video shot by a WBFO journalist earlier in the week, Martin Gugino is seen slowly approaching the police until one officer tells him to move and pushes him.

A person can be heard yelling, “He’s bleeding out of his ear!” and calling out for medics. Gugino is then seen lying on his back with blood spilling from his ear.

Brown claimed that the police asked Gugino to leave the premises several times as law enforcement tried to disperse protesters after an 8 p.m. curfew.

"He was trying to spark up the crowd of people,” Brown said. “Those people were there into the darkness. Our concern is when it gets dark, there is a potential for violence. There has been vandalism. There have been fires set. There have been stores broken into and looted. According to what was reported to me, that individual was a key and major instigator of people engaging in those activities."
Feeling silly?
The Most Important Part was the Mayor a Black Democrat in a large northern city - Listened to his police and responded with support. That's something we don't normally see from many big city Mayors. The man should be commended!!!

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1779165)
They really nailed that Russian collusion thing for 3 years.
The "media" wasn't doing the investigation and while enough proof of actual collusion couldn't be found, foreign interference in favor of a certain person... absolutely WAS proved. :boom:

Awful convenient...to forget that part. :ohdear:

ColdNoMore 06-07-2020 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1779170)
Please, if you're going to quote my posts, First don't make the print so small I can't even distinguish the words, and then put them in orange on green! I Got it, it's easier to reply when no one can read what your replying too - Good Strategy - when you have a weak comeback!!!

The Most Important Part was the Mayor a Black Democrat in a large northern city - Listened to his police and responded with support. That's something we don't normally see from many big city Mayors. The man should be commended!!!
Anyone can read your original post, but if you can't remember what you wrote...that's no one else's fault. :oops:

And once again, I'll point out that the Mayor who was going solely by those who "told him"...were also the ones who were attempting to protect this callous act by one of their own.

Just watch the video. :boom:

GoodLife 06-07-2020 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779184)
The "media" wasn't doing the investigation and while enough proof of actual collusion couldn't be found, foreign interference in favor of a certain person... absolutely WAS proved. :boom:

Awful convenient...to forget that part. :ohdear:
Someone is not up to date at all. Documents proving Russia was also trying to help Hillary are being declassified and that Brennan hid this information. Steele dossier was a Russian intelligence op, complete garbage. Please explain how that Russian sourced dossier was designed to help Trump. Not one person under oath saw any evidence of Russian collusion.

Daniel Hoffman, the CIA’s former station chief in Moscow and one of America’s premier experts on Russia spy tradecraft, said he believed all along the Obama administration’s assessment was wrong and the newly declassified evidence confirms his suspicions.
“The question of whether Russia favored Clinton or Trump is superfluous,” he said. “There is no evidence Russia ever had the throw weight to influence the outcome of the 2016 election, the 2017 DNI report confirmed that.

“The reason for Russia’s interference in our electoral process was more simple. Putin hates Democrats, and he hates Republicans because what scares him the most is democracy — freedom, liberty — which continued to be an inspiration to the Russian people whom he oppresses,”

Quite a few people are going to have a date with this guy shortly. In court

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lindaelane 06-07-2020 11:00 AM
I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.

graciegirl 06-07-2020 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by lindaelane (Post 1779208)
I think the headline "I do not support George Floyd" is unfortunate - and headlines are not generally written by the speaker/writer, if I understand correctly. Candace Owens sayd "I do not support George Floyd as a martyr". She also says she wants justice for George and the officer who murdered him. She does not want to see him as a martyr because he died while committing a crime. (Not sure if he was seen passing the 20 dollar bill, or if it had happened earlier, but I see what she is getting at.) I don't have an opinion here - I think it is mostly up to the African American community to decide who should be a martyr from that community and who should not. I think the point that in general, criminals should not be made heroes is well taken, and I will pass no judgment on whether this case is an exception.

I think it is indisputable that good will come out of the increased dialogue after this terrible murder. Its also indisputable that very bad things were done by criminals in the name of George Floyd but I believe the peaceful protests helped.
Minneapolis releases transcript of George Floyd 911 call - CBS News

I think he died by use of a procedure that is often used and allowed for people who are not already restrained by handcuffs. I think he had a serious criminal past. At his eulogy it was inappropriate in all of the remarks about his previous life to mention that he had been imprisoned four times for felonies and me, myself think it may have had a lot to do with drug addiction, but I don't know. I would think that no matter WHAT ethnicity he was. It is hard to give up our ideas about what constitutes right or wrong. The twenty dollar bill was enough that the owner of the minimart called the police. Twenty dollars is two hours work at minimum wage in some places. I do know that it is wrong to lean on someone's neck until they are unconscious while they are restrained in handcuffs. And It is wrong to steal. I don't know personally any one who would do either. And unless we are black, or have worked for several years as a police officer, we can't know exactly how that feels...…….

I am not and will never be a marcher. I don't understand how it helps to get a bunch of people who all feel the same madder and madder and more heartbroken and angry ..

John_W 06-07-2020 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1779188)
Anyone can read your original post, but if you can't remember what you wrote...that's no one else's fault. :oops:

And once again, I'll point out that the Mayor who was going solely by those who "told him"...were also the ones who were attempting to protect this callous act by one of their own.

Just watch the video.
Callous Act!!! The man was a known instigator, rebel-rouser, a lost soul, who lived off relatives and the only found solice in life, was to go out and get arrested whenever he could. The protests played right into his hands!!!

manaboutown 06-07-2020 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Biggles (Post 1779075)
Now, there's absolutely no question that George Floyd did not deserve to die, let alone die while in police custody. I view what happened as murder (some don't, but like most, I do). It is fitting that the 4 policemen are being prosecuted for his death, and I am confident and hopeful that Derek Chauvin will be convicted and as the main perpetrator will serve very serious jail time indeed. That is justice.

But to describe the late George Floyd as other than a sordid career criminal would be a lie. Read on:
George Floyd’s Criminal Past
• George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
• On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
• He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest during which the police brutality occurred
• Floyd had more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail at least 5 times
• George Floyd was the perpetrator of a violent home invasion
• He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
• Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest
• He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offence, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
• Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
• He had another stint for a theft in August 1998
Before moving to Minneapolis in 2014, George Floyd was released from prison in Texas. He worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant.
Floyd was a career criminal until his unfortunate end. To paint him otherwise is preposterous.

One cop overdid kneeling on his neck and wrongfully killed him for which he will be tried for murder in a court of law. The other three stood by and let it happen. They will all be tried for their inaction in a court of law as well.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 06-07-2020 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1777975)
Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



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“Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we’ve got to do something about our moral standards,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. “We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.”

Martin Luther King

Antique lady 06-07-2020 12:18 PM
It is heartbreaking to see a young woman with out much life experience become such an outspoken and judgemental person. Sad... We can not heal until we accept reality that our nation right now is not fostering unity. Our nation right not does not value the unflinching contributions of people of color and the labor of Latino immigrants.... I look forward to her learning a bit more before we tacitly say she is a voice to be heard above millions of others....

Antique lady 06-07-2020 12:24 PM
At least 11.6 million criminal incidents were reported to law enforcement agencies throughout the United States in 1999; by 2018, that number had declined to just over 8.4 million despite a population increase of 20% during that time.
What that means is that even as the United States has swelled by more than 50 million people, both the number and rate of most crimes reported to law enforcement have dropped, and some have fallen by incredibly high rates. Without hope crime becomes the drug of choice.... Looks like before the pandemic and the gruesome murder of Mr. Floyd, that we all witnessed, we are all doing so very much better helping our youth have hope. Let's keep up the idea that this is a nation where hope still lives for all of people...

phylt 06-07-2020 12:42 PM
Thanks for bringing this to our attention! She's definitely a clear thinker who does her research!

RedChariot 06-07-2020 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 1777975)
Wow! A lot to think about. Can you imagine if a white person spoke these exact words?



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No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.

Taltarzac725 06-07-2020 01:01 PM
He is a symbol of things very wrong with this great country. He may also be a symbol for change and for the better.

More checks-and-balances is a very good thing and hopefully that is what will happen. Cops pointing out other officers' transgressions and doing something about these. Rather than just standing behind the blue line and allowing things to continue.

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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 1779282)
No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.

Joe V. 06-07-2020 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 1779282)
No we white would never be allowed to voice this opinion. Her points are well taken. Floyd should never have died in the manner he did. But he should not be the person who's name is plastered on a tee shirt and in who's name monuments and buildings are burned and desecrated.
The same people who wear Che and Fidel T-shirts will wear this one too.


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