[Papa_lecki]

A top Florida state official warned Thursday that firefighters have battled a number of fires caused by electric vehicle (EV) batteries waterlogged from Hurricane Ian.

EV batteries that have been waterlogged in the wake of the hurricane are at risk of corrosion, which could lead to unexpected fires, according to Jimmy Patronis, the state's top financial officer and fire marshal.

"There’s a ton of EVs disabled from Ian. As those batteries corrode, fires start," Patronis tweeted Thursday. "That’s a new challenge that our firefighters haven’t faced before. At least on this kind of scale."

[MrFlorida]

Water and electric don't mix well.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

Water and electric don't mix well.

Bit like oil and water!

[Babubhat]

[url=https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-10-06/even-after-100-billion-self-driving-cars-are-going-nowhere]Bloomberg

Even After $100 Billion, Self-Driving Cars Are Going Nowhere. Bloomberg

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

A top Florida state official warned Thursday that firefighters have battled a number of fires caused by electric vehicle (EV) batteries waterlogged from Hurricane Ian.

EV batteries that have been waterlogged in the wake of the hurricane are at risk of corrosion, which could lead to unexpected fires, according to Jimmy Patronis, the state's top financial officer and fire marshal.

"There’s a ton of EVs disabled from Ian. As those batteries corrode, fires start," Patronis tweeted Thursday. "That’s a new challenge that our firefighters haven’t faced before. At least on this kind of scale."

A ton of EVs would be about half a car.

[coralway]

Don’t forget the marshmallows

[MartinSE]

Personally, I vote for horse-drawn carriages. They will be much more practical during the upcoming Dark Ages v2.0

Sorry, just trying to fit in...

I tried to bite my tongue but couldn't.

I read numerous news articles to find out what was going on. It boils down to one Tesla that caught fire, and a fire department struggled to put it out. There is NO forensic evidence yet as to WHY the battery caught fire. There are only comments by one fire department chief that has NO experience or training on EV batteries and their fires. He did say that there are a lot of Teslas out there and that COULD be a big problem based on nothing.

I will wait for the analysis of what happened and why, but enjoy yourselves it seems any time anything happens that involves an EV most here throw a celebration! Hence my Dark Ages V2.0 refernce.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Personally, I vote for horse-drawn carriages. They will be much more practical during the upcoming Dark Ages v2.0

Sorry, just trying to fit in...

You’re not working yourself up to another meltdown are you? lol

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

You’re not working yourself up to another meltdown are you? lol

It could happen, I am pretty sure this thread is not going to hold my attention long enough. There is a big-nothing here.

But I am very concerned I am getting dragged under in a YACCT (yet another climate change thread...LOL

Look at the upside; if I do, you all get a vacation too - from me.

[Byte1]

No "evidence?" You do not mix lithium with water without a volatile reaction. That has been proven. Overheat a lithium battery and see what can happen. Expose lithium to water and see what happens. All my yard equipment is lithium battery powered, but I know a little about what not to do with lithium unless I want to suffer the results.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

You’re not working yourself up to another meltdown are you? lol

I think I passed that point yesterday in another thread, just waiting to see how the moderators react.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Byte1

No "evidence?" You do not mix lithium with water without a volatile reaction. That has been proven. Overheat a lithium battery and see what can happen. Expose lithium to water and see what happens. All my yard equipment is lithium battery powered, but I know a little about what not to do with lithium unless I want to suffer the results.

All true. My point was, HOW did the battery get wet?

And yes, all mine is DeWalt with their battery system, also. I would not leave it out in the rain, but I would be amazed if the batteries were not water-resistant at least

On the car, some had mentioned corrosion, but that doesn't make sense to me, that it would corrode to the point the water could great to the lithium in a day or two. Something else happened.

Purely guessing like maybe the car had been in an accident and the batteries were damaged, but it was just parked and ignored. I am fairly certain Tesla will want to do a complete analysis and figure out a way to improve the situation.

And I am cynical enough not to rule out it was deliberately set on fire. There is a lot of hate around right now.,

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

All true. My point was, HOW did the battery get wet?

And yes, all mine is DeWalt with their battery system, also. I would not leave it out in the rain, but I would be amazed if the batteries were not water-resistant at least

On the car, some had mentioned corrosion, but that doesn't make sense to me, that it would corrode to the point the water could great to the lithium in a day or two. Something else happened.

Purely guessing like maybe the car had been in an accident and the batteries were damaged, but it was just parked and ignored. I am fairly certain Tesla will want to do a complete analysis and figure out a way to improve the situation.

And I am cynical enough not to rule out it was deliberately set on fire. There is a lot of hate around right now.,

But "cynical enough" to consider "it was deliberately set on fire" versus catching fire due to being in a flooded area? Seems like folks that advocate for "science" refuse to acknowledge it when it does not fit their narrative. Just my opinion.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

All true. My point was, HOW did the battery get wet?

And yes, all mine is DeWalt with their battery system, also. I would not leave it out in the rain, but I would be amazed if the batteries were not water-resistant at least

On the car, some had mentioned corrosion, but that doesn't make sense to me, that it would corrode to the point the water could great to the lithium in a day or two. Something else happened.

Purely guessing like maybe the car had been in an accident and the batteries were damaged, but it was just parked and ignored. I am fairly certain Tesla will want to do a complete analysis and figure out a way to improve the situation.

And I am cynical enough not to rule out it was deliberately set on fire. There is a lot of hate around right now.,

It's not about hate, it's about fact. When an EV catches fire it is nearly impossible to put out. Just google EV fires and you will see. The most recommended method is let it burn.

How to extinguish an electric vehicle fire

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Byte1

But "cynical enough" to consider "it was deliberately set on fire" versus catching fire due to being in a flooded area? Seems like folks that advocate for "science" refuse to acknowledge it when it does not fit their narrative. Just my opinion.

So, you say a company making a car that is designed to be exposed to the elements, that will drive through flooded roads, and rain storms and one almost daily, where the water is splashed at serious velocities under the car, off the wheels and basically pressure washes the bottom of the car, will have overlooked the possibility that the batteries made of materials that do a bad thing when they get wet would not have taken that into account.

Who is it that sees what they want to see? If you don't like today's EVs (evidenced by numerous posts), is it not possible you are also looking for what you want to see?

EVs get carboned daily on the roads, charging stations get ICEd daily, almost daily, and certainly weekly videos from Teska security shows people keying the cars.

And you lightly dismiss that maybe someone was angry enough to sabotage a Tesla. Much more likely in your mind that a company selling millions of EVs overlooked that they shouldn't get the batteries wet... The liability there is phenomenal; in a litigious society as we live in, that one fire could cost Telsa billions in litigation if it is proven they were negligent.

But the chances of an ICEr getting away with damaging a car left out in a hurricane and almost 100%.