Originally Posted by DeanFL (Post 1924674)

I'm CONFUSED. So if we get the vaccine (we have) WHY does Fauci and others STILL insist that we must wear masks (two), restrict travel and other activities etc etc. EVEN with SCIENCE apparently countering with scientific data - clinical trials and real-world data - HER WORDS. What ?????

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The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a new interview celebrated data suggesting that those who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 largely "do not carry the virus."

CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on Monday that "our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus" or get sick.

"It's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real-world data," she added.

Her comments seemed to be in reference to a CDC study released earlier on Monday that examined Moderna's and Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccines and found that in real-world conditions, they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent two or more weeks after the second dose was administered. The CDC said the study demonstrated that the vaccines "can reduce both asymptomatic and symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections."

Though Walensky expressed optimism over this finding and said "we can kind of almost see the end" of the pandemic based on the rate of vaccinations in the United States, she also reiterating her concern about COVID-19 cases ticking up.

"What I really would hate to have happen is to have another oncoming surge just as we're reaching towards getting so many more people vaccinated," she said.

Walensky had previously expressed similar concerns on Monday about a potential fourth surge in COVID-19 cases, saying in a briefing she has a feeling "of impending doom" while urging Americans to "please hold on a little while longer."
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CDC director: Data suggests vaccinated people largely 'do not carry the virus'

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Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1924685)

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1926723)

As of today, 19 kids of Lake County were admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 this week (and it's only Tuesday). That's out of 97 who were admitted to the ER. There are 15 kids who were admitted to the hospital out of 115 who went to the ER, in Marion County.

And that's just two counties of one state, in a 2-day period.

According to the COVID-19 dashboard for the state of Florida:

Pediatrics:
Cases: 240,618
Admitted to an ER: 8,461 
In-patient admissions to a hospital: 1,561
Pediatric Deaths: 11

That's just Florida, and only since March 1.

What source do you have that claims "no" kids under 12 have gotten sick from COVID-19?

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925077)

Funny, but Google doesn't either. No hits on a search using "covid positivity rate immigrants brazil variant" The director of FEMA did testify before Congress that the overall positivity rate of southern border immigrants is LOWER than the rate for Texans being tested.
2 weeks ago

The administration admits that testing is a problem and their system is being stressed. But nowhere did I found 10% or any evidence of what you are suggesting. The Federal govt has asked for assistance in testing from the established testing facilities in the states and local communities and offered to full pay the cost for the testing. Some politicians have refused to allow any cooperation.

Do you have any reliable source for your statement? There is a long and very ugly history of nativists to blame disease on immigrants.

Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1925602)

The fact is that the vaccines are experimental and we are lab rats to an extent due to the limited testing done and the lack of FDA approval for the vaccines.

Originally Posted by Neils (Post 1924685)

With vaccine there no spread. With vaccine almost no risk of serious illness

Without vaccine need to continue masks even though risk becomes lower the younger you might be

Children under 12 are showing no signs of getting sick or becoming carriers of this virus.

Thats the latest science and data.

Now, do whatever makes YOU feel better.

Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1926783)

the safety of the vaccines will not be known for sure until years go by.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1926785)

the mRNA technology has been studied for many years and used to make vaccines against influenza, Ebola and Zika virus.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1926743)

Where did you get that data? It doesn't appear to match with this FL DoH data.

This data shows 237,927 cases in children under 18 which is close to the number above. However it shows 11 deaths in that group since the beginning of Covid, not just since March 1.

The ER numbers above must represent the number of children taken to the ER to see a doctor but not hospitalized since the hospitalization number is far lower. And again, the hospitalization number appears to be since the beginning of Covid and not just since March 1.

EDIT: It is possible that the cumulative report for a period prior to March showed zero deaths which would make the data above correct.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1926916)

Oh you're right, it's total tests to date in Florida. And I got it from the Florida Community Dashboard, which is considered more comprehensive and more accurate than the one published by the Department of Health, which is heavily filtered.

Experience

If you scroll down and click on any of the counties (exactly like you'd do for the DoH dashboard) you can see that in Hillsborough County, as of *this week* (specifically) there were 475 new pediatric cases reported. Of those, 465 were admitted to the emergency room (which doesn't mean it's an actual emergency but many people don't have "regular" doctors and use the ER instead). Of those 465 ER cases, 73 were admitted into the hospital. Two children are dead, as of this week.

Originally Posted by Sabella (Post 1926792)

I question where you get your information from because I could be wrong but I believe mRNA has been studied for years but never used until now .

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1926277)

The beauty of the J&J vaccine is that it is inexpensive compared to Pfizer and Moderna - it needs only NORMAL refrigeration - making it best for areas in the US like some of the less densely populated Native American Tribal areas and remote 3rd world areas.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1925956)

Another wrong statement by you. You did make that up. Why don't you link to sources when you write? Because then it would be so much easier for people to fact check your false statements, or the occasional true one.

Here is what the CDC on its website says about vaccinated people being able to pass it on.


Is that clear enough for you? It does not say that people cannot spread Covid. It says the data is not yet available to make a determination. That's how science works. You collect data before you announce a conclusion. Then you continue to monitor the situation as new data may alter the conclusion. It may even change the advise 180 degrees. But as of April 2, yesterday, the CDC has made absolutely no statement that vaccinated persons cannot spread Covid.