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PjLyness1965 12-24-2023 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Happydaz (Post 2285079)
He has no “business.” He is a homeowner who lives in The Villages.The real estate investor who rents out his housing unit has the “business.”

Deed restrictions say you cannot run a business out of your home. It does not say you cannot rent out a property. There is no law against it.

TeresaE 12-24-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2285067)
As new owners, we are against these also. The problem got out of hand where we are from and our city had just started cracking down on it.

I was reading another article on St. Augustine. I saw another post about St. Augustine. They have come up some reasonable regulations. Here is another

Your browser is not supported | staugustine.com

They used the new state law to help them initiate a program. The only caveats the state has are:

You can’t ban vacation rentals
You can’t regulate the length or frequency of stays

That leaves the window open for so many ideas to bring the problems under control.

St Augustine is a good model to follow. They do regulate length of stay based on Zoning. Residentially zoned property RS-1 and RS-2 may not rent out for less than one week.

Heytubes 12-24-2023 10:25 AM

Perhaps all these owners of more than one rental that don’t live in TV should be required to actually live in TV at least 6 months of each year to prevent large corporations from buying up rentals for ROI purposes. This would separate businesses from homeowners.

BrianL99 12-24-2023 10:33 AM

Sort of unrelated to the thread ... but more than topical, if you get my drift.

When ToTV bans someone (revokes their right to post), they can just create a new "User Name" and start back up, where they left off?

ToTV doesn't check IP addresses and you can just make up another phony name?

Normal 12-24-2023 11:25 AM

Care
 
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Originally Posted by PjLyness1965 (Post 2285105)
I don’t understand why so many people care about what happens in another persons house.

You answered your own question. Partying etc. But there is much more than that. A neighbor impacts your quality of life because whether you know it or not, you schedule daily activity in your home to adapt to the external environment. Blinds or shades, driving precautions, social interaction with strangers verses known parties, apprehensive responses to unknown pet intrusions etc. It does matter if you must expend additional effort instead of being permitted to be more relaxed of course.

It’s not what goes on inside as you restrict in your statement, it’s also what spews outside. Noise, animals, children, cars, trash…In fact,, go one step further, does a rental unit research whether a tenant is a sexual predator or lifetime criminal? When should a neighbor be on guard? Always, because the social landscape changes so frequently?

Randall55 12-24-2023 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PjLyness1965 (Post 2285105)
So they aren’t breaking any rules. Got it. What proof do you have that they are “blowing off steam and partying”? I think it’s hilarious that you think TV is some hot party destination for young adults. It’s not. You are exaggerating. Most are here visiting family and the easy solution is to put them in a STR. I don’t understand why so many people care about what happens in another persons house. You must really have nothing better to do if you’re so worried about what your neighbors are doing.

You are entitled to your opinion. But....Have you lived next door to an STR in the Villages? It is easy to say they are not a problem if they are not in your neighborhood.

mrf0151 12-24-2023 11:46 AM

Just another reason more people are leaving Colorado than moving in. Really sad as it is a beautiful state.

TeresaE 12-24-2023 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PjLyness1965 (Post 2285105)
So they aren’t breaking any rules. Got it. What proof do you have that they are “blowing off steam and partying”? I think it’s hilarious that you think TV is some hot party destination for young adults. It’s not. You are exaggerating. Most are here visiting family and the easy solution is to put them in a STR. I don’t understand why so many people care about what happens in another persons house. You must really have nothing better to do if you’re so worried about what your neighbors are doing.

I don’t care what they do in their own house. I care what they do in the squares, the rec centers and the pools. As well as how they treat the staff that serves us. They come with an expectation that they can do what they want, how they want, and when they want. This is our HOME. NOT A RESORT.

asianthree 12-24-2023 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Heytubes (Post 2285113)
Perhaps all these owners of more than one rental that don’t live in TV should be required to actually live in TV at least 6 months of each year to prevent large corporations from buying up rentals for ROI purposes. This would separate businesses from homeowners.

The largest owner of rental properties owns 37 properties in TV, verified by the lady in the office. He lives in TV, we met him when we were picking up our ID’s in SS from our long term.

Very personable, glad to answer questions. 1/2 are long term, except for 3, the rest were mandatory 3 month rentals. He did comment on STR’s becoming the norm in new villages, instead of seasonal rentals

PjLyness1965 12-24-2023 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TeresaE (Post 2285163)
I don’t care what they do in their own house. I care what they do in the squares, the rec centers and the pools. As well as how they treat the staff that serves us. They come with an expectation that they can do what they want, how they want, and when they want. This is our HOME. NOT A RESORT.

The squares are public spaces and you have no business telling non-villagers they can’t be there. Whether you like or not, renters are entitled to use the pools and recreation facilities.

PjLyness1965 12-24-2023 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2285135)
You are entitled to your opinion. But....Have you lived next door to an STR in the Villages? It is easy to say they are not a problem if they are not in your neighborhood.

I have no idea if I live next to an STR because I mind my own business. Again, what rules are they violating that upsets you so much? Or are you just mad because you stalk your neighbors and you’re not seeing the same people every day in and day out? That’s a ridiculous reason to be upset. Stop stalking your neighbors.

PjLyness1965 12-24-2023 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2285132)
You answered your own question. Partying etc. But there is much more than that. A neighbor impacts your quality of life because whether you know it or not, you schedule daily activity in your home to adapt to the external environment. Blinds or shades, driving precautions, social interaction with strangers verses known parties, apprehensive responses to unknown pet intrusions etc. It does matter if you must expend additional effort instead of being permitted to be more relaxed of course.

It’s not what goes on inside as you restrict in your statement, it’s also what spews outside. Noise, animals, children, cars, trash…In fact,, go one step further, does a rental unit research whether a tenant is a sexual predator or lifetime criminal? When should a neighbor be on guard? Always, because the social landscape changes so frequently?

No, I didn’t. But you admit renters aren’t the problem because full time residents are capable of all of these problems you just listed. I know for a fact TV didn’t do a criminal background check on you before you purchased your house so why exactly does the owner of an STR have to do one on everyone else to appease you? The level of entitlement is just astounding.

JRcorvette 12-24-2023 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2284777)
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?

Who cares… just another wacko liberal run State

Normal 12-24-2023 08:24 PM

Predator
 
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Originally Posted by PjLyness1965 (Post 2285252)
No, I didn’t. But you admit renters aren’t the problem because full time residents are capable of all of these problems you just listed. I know for a fact TV didn’t do a criminal background check on you before you purchased your house so why exactly does the owner of an STR have to do one on everyone else to appease you? The level of entitlement is just astounding.

If a sexual predator does move in, they have to register. This gives everyone forewarning to prepare and adjust or avoid circumstance. A renter can come in for a week and be gone.

BrianL99 12-24-2023 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2285308)
If a sexual predator does move in, they have to register. This gives everyone forewarning to prepare and adjust or avoid circumstance. A renter can come in for a week and be gone.


Or a Liberal.

Normal 12-24-2023 08:46 PM

Yes
 
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2285309)
Or a Liberal.

Almost as bad

Randall55 12-24-2023 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PjLyness1965 (Post 2285248)
I have no idea if I live next to an STR because I mind my own business. Again, what rules are they violating that upsets you so much? Or are you just mad because you stalk your neighbors and you’re not seeing the same people every day in and day out? That’s a ridiculous reason to be upset. Stop stalking your neighbors.

I do not stalk my neighbors. I have no reason to. I do, however, listen to those who live on streets with many strs. Driveways and streets are blocked, trash is left out which attracts wild animals, knocking on your door to ask questions or to borrow something, shouting and yelling etc. The renters are the stalkers. You go outside and they bombard you with question after question. You have no peace. Remember: this goes on again and again as renters come and go.When you report them, you are told "Sorry, we can't do anything because they are renters."

I do not live by an str. When I want to leave my home, I have no worries that my driveway will be blocked. I do not have to pick up strangers' scattered trash. Strangers do not knock on my door on a regular basis at all times of the day. When I walk my dog, I can enjoy the sun and fresh air. I am not a stranger's target and I do not have to answer their many questions as I walk by. Every resident in the Villages deserves the same as I have.

How many strangers could you deal with per week, month, or year at your home? I'm guessing, not many!

tophcfa 12-24-2023 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PjLyness1965 (Post 2285063)
What specific rules are they breaking? Children are allowed here up to 30 days. People are allowed to make noise up until a certain time of the day. Do people not mow their lawn in your neighborhood? All you have to do is call law enforcement if they are violating the noise ordinance. Why do you care who rents out a house that doesn’t belong to you? They aren’t coming and going into your house. As the owner of my own home am I not allowed to come and go at all times as I please? If I need to leave my house at 4 a.m., who are you to tell me I can’t? Oh that’s right, nobody. It’s none of your business what anyone else does. Mind your own business

Anyone else smell the stench of a revolving door short term slumlord somehow trying to justify their inconsiderate neighborly actions?

shaw8700@outlook.com 12-24-2023 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2285026)
Many owners have done the same, rented for a week or two, and buy a house.

But, many renters (both long term and short term) are not nice neighbors, they are loud, have too many people in the house, etc.
If you live on a street with a lot of rentals, it is not a good experience for you, the full time resident.

But if they’re that bad you would them to move on whenever their stay is up. Imagine if they stayed?

shaw8700@outlook.com 12-24-2023 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2285057)
Wait until you buy and have 3-4 on your street with revolving doors, people coming at all times, noise, CHILDREN, etc. Many STR owners do NOT care who they rent to…they do NOT follow the rules…and neither do their tenants. That’s why we’re against them.

But if they establish rules that stop STR’s then it will stop all the people coming here and eventually buying. Believe me, you don’t want that. Property values will plummet.

tophcfa 12-25-2023 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2285337)
But if they establish rules that stop STR’s then it will stop all the people coming here and eventually buying. Believe me, you don’t want that. Property values will plummet.

Who cares, not selling. Investor versus resident mentality. Interested in living with fellow residents, not quick flip investors who have little to no regard for residents quality of living.

Randall55 12-25-2023 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2285337)
But if they establish rules that stop STR’s then it will stop all the people coming here and eventually buying. Believe me, you don’t want that. Property values will plummet.

Investors are not the backbone of the Villages. Residents over 55 who want to enjoy their retirement outnumber them significantly. I find it hard to believe no one will buy a home if they cannot rent in the area first. Many communities sell out without the option to rent before buying. The Villages will not be different.

Home prices plummeting will not affect many residents. Most are happy to stay put in their home until they pass. Many bought their homes BEFORE prices inflated. The market would have to take a significant hit for them to lose money. In the meantime, lower value of homes will stabilize or decrease property taxes and insurance. A small change in monthly payments can help those on a fixed income.

Their children can deal with selling the home when they inherit it. A large profit or loss is no concern to a dead person.

Escape Artist 12-25-2023 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2284777)
There’s a bill in the Colorado assembly. If approved during the 2024 lawmaking session, the bill would classify any property used as a short-term rental for more than 90 days per year as a lodging property beginning in 2026.

That would nearly quadruple property taxes for an estimated 24,000 short-term rental properties in the state. The property tax assessment rate for lodging properties in 2023 is 27.9%. For residential properties, it was set at 6.765%.

Here’s an article on the bill
Colorado legislature will introduce bill hiking taxes for short-term rental properties | VailDaily.com

Could this be done in FLA at the county level?

It makes sense as they are running the residential property as a business. Why should they pay the same as an owner-occupied property when the neighborhood is zoned residential and not commercial or mixed use?


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