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Byte1 07-13-2020 03:18 PM

I don't know why any of you insist on looking at other countries for answers. To suggest that other countries pay less for health care is is like comparing Chinese laborers to our union workers. Why do we pay more? For one thing, socialist countries take about half of your pay check in payroll taxes to pay for state run health care. Do you want to halve your pay check? We also have more CT machines and other diagnostic machines than most of the world combined. Our doctors have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in malpractice insurance. Lawyers in one country that I know of work as security guards for our embassy because we pay more than they can make. I know one pediatrician in another country that works as a receptionist in our health unit in our embassy. Why? Because they do not make any money in socialist countries and we pay better. Be careful of what you wish for. Do you really want to sacrifice your liberty/freedom just to give the gov. control of the most important aspects of your lives? Don't preach to others about how great other countries are until you have lived in those countries. Better yet, try living in those other countries as one of their citizens. And you wonder why we have millions that want to come and live here in America?

Mass hysteria is prevalent in America. Isn't it interesting to find out that you can't control EVERYTHING in life?

I remember when AIDS was the greatest scare. Children that were infected with HIV were sent home from school and not allowed to attend around other children. Workers were let go if it was discovered they were infected. The world as we know it was ending.

Remember SARS?
I'm old but not old enough to remember Small Pox. But that was a bad one too. I do remember the vaccinations though. Same with polio.
How about the plague? I do remember getting a plague shot in the military, as well as Typhus.

The point is that eventually someone will decide on how to modify our behavior so that we can live reasonably normal lives again.

I live in Sumter Co. Out of all those tested positive for COVID19 in The Villages, my understanding is that only 8 or 9 Villages residents have actually died from the virus (in Sumter Co). I do not wish to become infected to test my theory but it seems to me that the death rate to positive tests is less than a hundredth of a percent. Just a guesstimate, so I am sure someone with better knowledge and better math skills will come on here and correct me. Thank you in advance.

From what I understand, The Villages hospital is not over run yet.

talleyjm 07-13-2020 03:36 PM

Excellent post❗️ My son in NYC keeps beating me up with Florida’s recent uptick in cases - now I can fight back with your stats 🤪

mneumann02 07-13-2020 05:53 PM

Covid-19 Death Rate
 
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1802733)
I don't know why any of you insist on looking at other countries for answers. To suggest that other countries pay less for health care is is like comparing Chinese laborers to our union workers. Why do we pay more? For one thing, socialist countries take about half of your pay check in payroll taxes to pay for state run health care. Do you want to halve your pay check? We also have more CT machines and other diagnostic machines than most of the world combined. Our doctors have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars per year in malpractice insurance. Lawyers in one country that I know of work as security guards for our embassy because we pay more than they can make. I know one pediatrician in another country that works as a receptionist in our health unit in our embassy. Why? Because they do not make any money in socialist countries and we pay better. Be careful of what you wish for. Do you really want to sacrifice your liberty/freedom just to give the gov. control of the most important aspects of your lives? Don't preach to others about how great other countries are until you have lived in those countries. Better yet, try living in those other countries as one of their citizens. And you wonder why we have millions that want to come and live here in America?

Mass hysteria is prevalent in America. Isn't it interesting to find out that you can't control EVERYTHING in life?

I remember when AIDS was the greatest scare. Children that were infected with HIV were sent home from school and not allowed to attend around other children. Workers were let go if it was discovered they were infected. The world as we know it was ending.

Remember SARS?
I'm old but not old enough to remember Small Pox. But that was a bad one too. I do remember the vaccinations though. Same with polio.
How about the plague? I do remember getting a plague shot in the military, as well as Typhus.

The point is that eventually someone will decide on how to modify our behavior so that we can live reasonably normal lives again.

I live in Sumter Co. Out of all those tested positive for COVID19 in The Villages, my understanding is that only 8 or 9 Villages residents have actually died from the virus (in Sumter Co). I do not wish to become infected to test my theory but it seems to me that the death rate to positive tests is less than a hundredth of a percent. Just a guesstimate, so I am sure someone with better knowledge and better math skills will come on here and correct me. Thank you in advance.

From what I understand, The Villages hospital is not over run yet.

The math here is very off- "the death rate to positive tests is less than a hundredth of a percent." The death rate for everyone getting Covid-19 is running around 5% world-wide. The death rate, if you are 70-79 is around 16%, as published by a link to the CDC by a previous poster. That is my age group. I do not like those odds, so my wife and I are taking every precaution. This is not PANICKING as some posters like to accuse, this is being realistic. This pandemic is not a hoax, this is not political, this is not a "scamdemic" as I have read here. This is a deadly health crises that severely affects older people more than younger ones. If everyone had taken this seriously back in March, we would be through this. It is the people who don't wear masks, who gather in large groups, who compare this to the flu, who don't take precautions- those are the people spreading this deadly virus and killing people who catch it.

GoodLife 07-13-2020 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by talleyjm (Post 1802740)
Excellent post❗️ My son in NYC keeps beating me up with Florida’s recent uptick in cases - now I can fight back with your stats 🤪

Save this graph and email it to him.

NY deaths per million vs Florida Texas Arizona combined

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Skip 07-13-2020 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1802096)
Current listing of the highest death rates per million in the world. Rates per million are the best way to compare countries for obvious reasons.

1 Belgium 853 per million
2. United Kingdom 659
3. Spain 606
4. Italy 577
5. Sweden 547
6. France 444
7. USA 415
8. Ireland 357
9. Netherlands 354
10. Chile 303

I keep track of the same figures each week.
You forgot a very important number:
China 3 (per million)

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Swoop 07-13-2020 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1802654)
Governors do NOT control the DPA. There were lots of body bags in refrigerator trucks in NYC. I distinctly remember a clip of an NYC Doctor saying that they had to "jury rig" the hoses to make 1 ventilator do 2 patients.
And they had to pull some patients OFF of ventilators to give to other, better-likely-to-live CV patients. It happened!

You “remember” the clip - post a link to it. I can definitely post a link to governors in NY & PA forcing nursing homes to accept Covid positive patients.

JimJohnson 07-14-2020 01:30 AM

As long as the bulk of deaths remain in minority communities, nothing will change.

riley2011 07-14-2020 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1802103)
It is so sad that we could be doing much better.

Yes, we could be doing better if China hadn’t lied!!

Two Bills 07-14-2020 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1802856)
As long as the bulk of deaths remain in minority communities, nothing will change.

Oh come on!
Even BLM have not claimed that the virus is racist. (Yet!)

JimJohnson 07-14-2020 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by riley2011 (Post 1802861)
Yes, we could be doing better if China hadn’t lied!!

That don’t pass the smell test. We knew China lied in February and we are still nowhere near a plan.

JimJohnson 07-14-2020 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1802864)
Oh come on!
Even BLM have not claimed that the virus is racist. (Yet!)

I agree, but all in positions to know, understand that this virus is killing minorities at a much higher rate than whites.

oldtimes 07-14-2020 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1802883)
I agree, but all in positions to know, understand that this virus is killing minorities at a much higher rate than whites.

So maybe if we deny it ever happened the problem will go away.

Two Bills 07-14-2020 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1802883)
I agree, but all in positions to know, understand that this virus is killing minorities at a much higher rate than whites.

Obesity, diabetes and other underlying conditions reduce chances of surviving the virus.
Maybe there is a higher incidence of those conditions in the minority community?

Byte1 07-16-2020 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mneumann02 (Post 1802783)
The math here is very off- "the death rate to positive tests is less than a hundredth of a percent." The death rate for everyone getting Covid-19 is running around 5% world-wide. The death rate, if you are 70-79 is around 16%, as published by a link to the CDC by a previous poster. That is my age group. I do not like those odds, so my wife and I are taking every precaution. This is not PANICKING as some posters like to accuse, this is being realistic. This pandemic is not a hoax, this is not political, this is not a "scamdemic" as I have read here. This is a deadly health crises that severely affects older people more than younger ones. If everyone had taken this seriously back in March, we would be through this. It is the people who don't wear masks, who gather in large groups, who compare this to the flu, who don't take precautions- those are the people spreading this deadly virus and killing people who catch it.

If you go back and read my post again, you will see that I was referencing the ratio of infected to death in Sumter co. portion of The Villages only. Sorry if I did not make that clear. I do not concern myself with other countries when my country should be the major concern, our state, our county our community.

chet2020 07-16-2020 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rmd2 (Post 1802695)
Not true. The nursing homes managers in NY begged Cuomo not to put COVID positive in their nursing homes. They told him they did not have the facilities to handle regular nursing home patients and COVID patients too. He threatened to take away their nursing home license. Cuomo handled that, not the Feds.

Nope, most nursing homes wanted the patients because they wanted the revenue.


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