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Its the heat of the moment - he should have know the instant he pulled the trigger his life and ours would change forever!
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The driver was reported for sleeping in his car, not pulled over while driving. I know it’s illegal to be behind the wheel of a car (in that condition), driving or not. Maybe he stopped because he couldn’t or knew he shouldn’t be driving. Their approaching him wasn’t racially motivated, and he was respectful to and treated respectably by the officers. The officers clearly followed protocol. I’m NOT suggesting that the driver’s actions were acceptable in any way. The driver was drunk, which definitely impairs a person’s judgement and subsequent actions. The officers in pursuit by foot did warn him several times to stop, and their actions were completely justified... until they they shot him. No excuses- not even that his wife died 1- 1/2 years ago. When he was told to return to his car and “don’t go anywhere,” he could have driven away- but he didn’t. Instead, he resisted arrest, fought them, and grabbed the officer’s taser, still all clearly wrong. While tasers ARE weapons, they don’t kill anyone. By running away, the guy made things much worse than they could have been, but the officer didn’t drop to the ground, nor was he specific about where he was tased when asked, just like the guy didn’t remember what kind of drinks he had, which wasn’t relative. If a person is tased, I would think they’d know exactly where the taser hit him. Is there proof that the cop was tased? I couldn’t tell in the video. Was the car stolen? Was there a warrant out for his arrest? Was he carrying a gun or were there drugs in his car? While he was running AWAY, he was no threat to the officers’ lives. Did he point a gun at them? If the driver got that far away, rather than shoot the guy, they could have backed off. Not only were they in no danger, but they had his license and his car. Under the circumstances, especially with all of the current tension, shooting the driver as he ran off was not the best decision. Instead, since they couldn’t catch him, the cops could have stopped their chase- they could have had his car impounded. He wouldn’t be dead now. Eventually he would have found his way home, maybe slept it off, and then cops could have been sent to his home with a warrant for his arrest. I’m sure that’s happened at one time or another. Why not this time? |
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It does not matter what he was or wasn’t doing on video before he was shot , he was running away and was only carrying a non lethal weapon at the time . . You cannot shot a man running away in a he back and I can’t believe so many people can seem so gleeful over someone dying over such a trivial crime , they had his car and ID could have picked him up anytime
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At this point it seems what has been eliminated is the usual due process leading to a conclusion and then action.
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I think your asking the wrong questions.
1. Why did he resist ? 2. Why did he take the taser? 3. Why did he run? 3. Why did he fire at the cop? 4. Would you have done any of these things? Number 1 started the chain of events. Right or wrong - take out #1 and none of this would have happened. No this man should not pay with his life for bad judgement we need a different way of apprehending people who refuse to cooperate with law enforcement. |
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The officer should’ve taken into consideration that the man was drunk and disoriented. The officer should have told Brooks that He was under arrest for DUI rather than simply pull his hands behind him. Brooks panicked and ran with the taser. Brooks never should have died by getting 2 rounds in the back. He never should have resisted, but this could have been handled differently. Now a cop will lose his job and probably be charged with manslaughter or worse. |
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Please know the facts before you speak your ignorance.
Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."[Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985), is a civil case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, the officer may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others." The manufactures of tasers recommend that officers get tased during training to understand the incapacitation that occurs. If a person tases an officer, the officer has absolutely no way of weapon retention and the person can know take his/her gun to use against him. The judge in the earlier case 2 weeks ago said that Atlanta officers used deadly force when they tased the teens in the car. Can’t have it both ways. The officer was NOT picking up his brass, he picked up his tased which he dropped, which was deployed and did not work. For you to say something you have no clue about is reckless. I’m sure you didn’t hear about the Ft Meyers officer arrested for child abuse because he stopped a woman for speeding and she had drugs in her and rather than arrest her he gave her a citation. 3 months later she was high and driving and got into an accident and killed her daughter. The officer is arrested for failing to take action 3 months prior. What do you want ? Arrest criminals, look the other way because they are just innocent people. Maybe you should Ride along with the cops and you decide when they should make an arrest based on your EXPERT knowledge. |
Cannot agree more than the above post. In Ferguson MO, Minneapolis, Atlanta, and the above Chicago video, had the "victim" just followed the LEO directions they would be alive today.
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Wow - you have this all figured out -
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Even as it stands right now an experienced younger officer is going start looking for employment in another field if he has less than say ten years on the job. The ones with a lot of time on are just going to look the other way rather than taking a chance on losing everything because what they do in a given situation does not fit the public eye correctly. What most of the public does not seem aware of or care about is that these situations occur in a heartbeat and action is required in the same amount of time. Then a group (board?) of folks who have never been in one of these situations in their lifetime sits for months and judges what was done in those split seconds. :1rotfl::ohdear: Soon dialing 911 may not be worth the time it takes? |
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Don’t worry , though, the officer will see all kinds of “due process “ once he’s criminally charged ! |
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There’s no excuse for resisting arrest, attacking the cops, knocking them to the ground, or stealing a Taser about to be used on one, or trying to shoot it at one of the cops. That was a really stupid move. I believe in law and order. I don’t like to see that. The man’s actions should be taken into account as mitigating circumstances. However, it is hard to be seriously injured much less killed by a man armed only with a just fired taser who is running away. The lives of these cops were no longer in danger, even though they were in danger seconds before and facing a reprimand for losing a Taser to a person resisting arrest. They had the man’s car, keys, address, access to his family. Picking him up later or having other cops pick him up later would be the logical choice. This was not a man who had just shot someone and was carrying a firearm. The danger was minimal. I know adrenaline flows and people get carried away and make mistakes, but this was NOT a clean shooting. As for the people who burned down that Wendy’s, though, I hope they are caught and receive long prison terms for arson, perhaps aggravated by it being a hate crime. |
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yes, i think that shooting was justified!!!!!!
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Although I have not verified it I read Brooks was out of prison on a COVID-19 release. Had he been kept there doing his time he likely would be alive today. He has a very long rap sheet including conviction for cruelty to children...another great role model to idolize?
As soon as they started to handcuff him he commenced resisting arrest, violently, perhaps because he did not want to go back to the slammer. |
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You missed 75% of the video ………………... Just like cnn !!!!!!
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He was not shot in the back.
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I totally agree with Anothersteve - He should have complied. However fighting with police, running away, and shooting a taser do not warrant being shot in the back. The policeman took his gun out of his holster and fired AFTER the suspect had turned around and started running again. That is so wrong.
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All Atlanta police force should go on strike and walk off the job in till hostile work environment settled.
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Why not just comply (and a bit more)
All of these statements concerning this incident, with so many assumptions on the part of the some posters, are rather frightening. I would certainly pray that you would not be on my jury, should I ever be accused of a crime. Facts should be what we base our opinions and comments upon, not suppositions or assumptions. "He was scared", he thought the officer was going to tase him, etc. are assumptions and jumping to conclusions without having all of the known evidence. That's what juries are for - to hear the evidence and render a verdict and prior to that, our statements should be "guarded".
Common sense would lead one to conjecture, however, that a perp, once stopped by police, acts aggressively for one or more reasons: under the influence of drugs, which are affecting "better judgement", an outstanding warrant, which would put him behind bars, once again, for a long time and he deems the risk-versus-reward equation to be in his favor at the time. Most rational individuals, when confronted by armed policemen issuing reasonable orders, choose to comply and sort out the differences in a court of law. I posit that these are not rational individuals and, once a scuffle ensues and the adrenalin flows, all bets are off. To assert that these unfortunate occurrences, infrequent as they are STATISTICALLY (research your facts) to racism, says more about the biases of the accuser than the person/cop who is being accused. I am not posting to defend cops, nor to condemn a given suspect. I consider myself a seeker of the truth - wherever it leads me. Sometimes it leads to an uncomfortable discovery but, nevertheless, it's the TRUTH. Statistics generally tell the story (although I have a college tome "How To Lie With Statistics" on my shelf, LOL) and, in these cases, "It's an uncomfortable truth but blacks commit crimes at nearly three times the rate that whites do. Blacks commit 36% of the violent crime in the US even though they are only 13% of the population. So … the likelihood of an encounter with the police is significantly greater if you're black AND, if you don't comply with their orders and aggressively resist - BAD things can happen! It's no more complicated than this and "racism" on the part of police is statistically proven to be insignificant. Like with doctors, bad judgement kills far more often than not. Fred :spoken: |
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I watched all the videos and I call it murder!
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Both you and the post you responded to used nearly identical phrases to demonstrate opposite points of view. Imo, the phrase "almost guarantee" is really just a "maybe" or "perhaps", and the the words "would have been totally" should be replaced by "might possibly have been somewhat" different. Any time the word "if" is used the argument, pro or con, pretty much falls apart. We have all been doing way to much Monday morning and armchair quarterbacking. This incident, like many others of late, are being viewed from many angles, but the points of view we never get to see, the view of the actual participants, we will never really know. ALL of these horrible occurrences would have avoided "IF" ... there's that word again. |
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what the police wanted, probably pay a fine & maybe a night in jail. This guy got shot over something stupid he did. It’s hard to feel sorry for him like G. Floyd. This guys lawyer is full of S _ _ _ about his defense. Hope the courts don’t suck up to these 2 racist lawyers. Judges & lawyers are scared to death to do anything because they’re afraid what the black community will do. |
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Dumb!! A simple "yes sir" would have been the peaceful end.
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I wish people would get the words correct. Shootings that end in a person's death, is called a "Homicide". Its not a murder until there is a trial and some one is found guilt.
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The COP was totally justified in using his firearm. I figure if everyone can prosecute a COP for murder based on a video, then I can judge a COP with justifiable homicide by a video. If you fight a COP, he is justified in using the amount of force necessary to subdue you, including lethal force IF he fears that his life may be in jeopardy. If you point a weapon at a COP be prepared to be put down....for good. If you swing a bat at a COP he can shoot you. If you point a knife at a COP he can shoot you. If you use a taser on a COP the COP knows that the next step COULD be that while he is paralyzed the perp can take his gun and kill him or someone else. The COP can shoot you. Case closed.
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Self defense? Always. But shooting in the back, never!
Better to let him escape than to kill him. Human issue.
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