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Jean G 09-14-2021 06:24 AM

January 26, 2021 the WHO stated masks are ineffective against Covid 19
Look it up. It’s good practice for getting at truth.

Kelevision 09-14-2021 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jbartle1 (Post 2003506)
Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

EXACTLY! Kids don’t care at all about wearing a mask!! One of the easiest things to do is make a kid. One of the most difficult is being a good parent.

Eg_cruz 09-14-2021 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2003454)
Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

I don’t need to show you the facts I will show you the numbers
In Marion county 13 school employees have died from Covid in 1 month. Over 1300 kids have tested positive the first month of school. Orange County had 2300 kids test positive the first month.
The teacher and school want to go back to WHAT WORKED last school year.
This is about what is right and taking it of the school and teachers hands is not what’s right…..period

tvbound 09-14-2021 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jbartle1 (Post 2003506)
Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

"kids have no problem with mask, only parents."

Very true and conveniently overlooked, from those who think they are losing some kind of 'freedom.'

Hiltongrizz11 09-14-2021 06:41 AM

It's too bad that you are not pro freedom and instead are pro-government.

It shouldn't even have to happen that a governor should mandate freedom. Anyone can wear a mask no one should be forced to.

Jeff Coats 09-14-2021 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 2003449)
Sadly, children are now being infected at higher rates and dieing unnecessary.

There is no perfect solution but the data is quite clear masks reduce the risk of an infected person transmitting the disease.

Especially important for Delta.

You will have to show me that data. All of the studies that I have seen show that unless you are wearing a N95 mask, masks do nothing to stop COVID. In fact from the studies I have seen through private concerns as well as the US military, one could make, and stand behind the argument that masks do more harm than good when it comes to spreading disease.

Let's read "the science" for ourselves and stop sharing hearsay information as fact.

Girlcopper 09-14-2021 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2003454)
Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

Then google them. Theres plenty of data showing masks curb the virus. Dont want to mask your kid? Fine. Home school them or just have illiterate morons. Thats everyones choice!

merrymini 09-14-2021 06:59 AM

The masks don’t work
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2003346)
It is unfortunate that the state is choosing to pursue this. They should let it go (allow the mask mandates) until the surge in cases and hospitalizations is over. Sure, it's not what the governor wants, but he's likely to be worse off in the end.

The farther this is pursued, the harder the federal government is going to push. This is now likely to go to the US Supreme court to decide something that should have been obvious in the first place. Not only that, but the fed govt is now looking for other ways to override the governor including a lawsuit based on discrimination against disabled students. It is a foolish lawsuit that will likely set a precedent for the future and it could have been avoided.

The anti-mask-mandate side has won the latest point but the match is not over yet. When it is, the anti-mask-mandate side may find it has lost more than just mask mandate.

But of course, it may go the other way too. We'll see.

The gov is allowing people to make their own choices, a mandate does not allow anything. I am certain the kids keep their masks on outside of school too, really?

rsmurano 09-14-2021 07:02 AM

I have real verifiable data the other way too. Way to go DeSantis

lkagele 09-14-2021 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jbartle1 (Post 2003506)
Would not want to be the parent that lost child after child went to school without mask and died from covid.,,, keep in mind folks, kids have no problem with mask, only parents.

Fear monger. I haven't looked at the statistics recently but as a couple of weeks ago, less than 400 children had died. Vastly more die in auto accidents. We'd be better off banning children from riding in cars.

This is all about power, control and taking away our freedoms. Parents choose, not schools. PERIOD.

merrymini 09-14-2021 07:13 AM

Children dying
 
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Originally Posted by crash (Post 2003672)
Just reinstates the stay it is not over until the last appeal. How many children will die because of this one is too many.

The only way for masks to work is for all the kids be masked. If the parents don’t want to mask their kid they should put them in a class room with unmasked kids and keep them there. The parents that want their kids to be masked should have the right to have their kid in a masked class. Kids die everyone will be doing home school.

Your system sounds great. How exactly would that work? Numbers show that hospitalizations and death from covid for children is RARE and UNCOMMON. Among states reporting 0.00% to 0.03% of all covid deaths are children and several states report 0 deaths. Facts are important, if you choose to read them.

lkagele 09-14-2021 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2003535)
Fair enough - I should have worded that differently.

Don't think so. What's obvious are the acts of those trying to take away our freedoms.

It is ABSOLUTELY obvious that parents have the right to manage their children's health and not some bureaucrat.

lkagele 09-14-2021 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crash (Post 2003672)
Just reinstates the stay it is not over until the last appeal. How many children will die because of this one is too many.

The only way for masks to work is for all the kids be masked. If the parents don’t want to mask their kid they should put them in a class room with unmasked kids and keep them there. The parents that want their kids to be masked should have the right to have their kid in a masked class. Kids die everyone will be doing home school.

I think the real question is, how many idiots will continue to post advocating taking away the right of parents to control their own children.

8 things that are more apt to kill children ages 1 - 14 than COVID

- Drowning - yes, lets ban children from swimming
-Vehicle Accidents - again, ban children from riding in cars
- Cancer
- Suicide - the rate of which has dramatically increased since COVID restrictions.
- Homicide
- Cardiovascular disease
- Flu/pneumonia
- Suffocation - mandate needed to watch children 24/7 so this can be prevented

Data obtained from CDC statistics

Haallred02@aol.com 09-14-2021 07:33 AM

No more madates
 
If masks are so effective than why so many cases?

lkagele 09-14-2021 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2003687)
This is not good. This is picking a political side not doing what’s best for your kids.
I don’t get this whole thing with our governor, last year the school did great why make this stand……I am very disappointed in him. FYI in Weirsdale Elementary the school right off of 42 had 2 cafeteria ladies catch Covid and both died within four days of each other. Maybe all you pro No Mask Mandates would like to go deal with the grieving kids.

Well obviously they weren't wearing masks because masks work....

Get back to me when you can prove where they contracted COVID.

thelegges 09-14-2021 07:36 AM

Everyday more children are testing positive, in schools with mask mandate. Two masked children in Michigan tested positive, then week later their fully vaccinated parents, tested positive.

Many have forgotten the healthcare workers wearing masks, still became infected. Then some who had to wear the non 95s, worked this entire time, never became infected. Many Healthcare workers are still refusing vaccine, some are resigning if a mandate is put is place.

The hundreds that I worked with in previous life, stand on “I worked the first 8 months, most of the time without proper PPE, or the same PPE for days at at time. Exposed 60 plus hours a week, and survived.

Many are appalled, at healthcare workers right to choose. But without them, the world would be a very different place.

heenables 09-14-2021 07:38 AM

Tyranny
 
When your fear tramples other's freedoms you have become what our founding fathers fought so hard against and you don't even realize it.

:boom:

Bonnevie 09-14-2021 07:40 AM

I find it amusing that in a country where every plastic bag has a warning that it's not to be used as a toy that people think all parents are capable of making an informed decision on children's health.

Ptmckiou 09-14-2021 07:41 AM

Common sense
 
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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2003454)
Show us the data on masks, I'd prefer RCT studies (Randomized Control Trial)

Look at the CDC videos put out on the studies. The virus rides on spittle droplets, not air. The mask knocks down the speed at which the spittle is projected from 6’+ without mask, to about 15” with a mask. That’s why the 6’ social distancing because of those studies. The video showed the actual experiments in spittle speed.

Ptmckiou 09-14-2021 07:45 AM

No
 
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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2003540)
That's what I like about Florida, it's your choice. You can ride a motorcycle without a helmet if you choose not to, it's your head right ?So it's also your choice to wear a mask.... it's all about freedom.

No not exactly. It’s not your freedom to spread the disease to me, by not wearing a mask. That is stepping on MY freedoms.

golfing eagles 09-14-2021 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2003724)
Don't think so. What's obvious are the acts of those trying to take away our freedoms.

It is ABSOLUTELY obvious that parents have the right to manage their children's health and not some bureaucrat.

But have you considered that 90+% of parents are too stupid to "manage their children's health"?????

lkagele 09-14-2021 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2003693)
I don’t need to show you the facts I will show you the numbers
In Marion county 13 school employees have died from Covid in 1 month. Over 1300 kids have tested positive the first month of school. Orange County had 2300 kids test positive the first month.
The teacher and school want to go back to WHAT WORKED last school year.
This is about what is right and taking it of the school and teachers hands is not what’s right…..period

From ABC news, known to be a bastion for hard right news......

Most children who become infected with COVID-19 have mild or no symptoms and caught the virus from their parents rather than at school, a new report has found.....It found children rarely spread COVID-19 to other children, teachers or staff.

Don't you even ask yourself why these people got infected if they were wearing a mask? Get back to us when you can prove where they got infected.

lkagele 09-14-2021 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2003748)
But have you considered that 90+% of parents are too stupid to "manage their children's health"?????

Really? You're going to insult 90% of all parents? Statements such as this are just plain idiotic.

"My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"

Petersweeney 09-14-2021 07:51 AM

Obviously you don’t have kids
 
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Originally Posted by JSR22 (Post 2003574)
Put all the maskless children in their own classrooms and let them infect each other. Keep them away from the children wearing masks.

What a terrible thing to say :(

Ptmckiou 09-14-2021 07:52 AM

Ridiculous
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiltongrizz11 (Post 2003702)
It's too bad that you are not pro freedom and instead are pro-government.

It shouldn't even have to happen that a governor should mandate freedom. Anyone can wear a mask no one should be forced to.

Mandates happen all the time. You must wear shirt and shoes in most restaurants. Most mandates are for health concerns. This is no different.

tvbound 09-14-2021 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2003748)
But have you considered that 90+% of parents are too stupid to "manage their children's health"?????

I'm not sure the overall % is that high, but I will say that I believe the majority of parents who are putting their children at risk (and may have to live with the consequences) and using them as pawns, just to make some kind of political point - ARE incompetent.

Petersweeney 09-14-2021 08:09 AM

The horror

lkagele 09-14-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 2003711)
Then google them. Theres plenty of data showing masks curb the virus. Dont want to mask your kid? Fine. Home school them or just have illiterate morons. Thats everyones choice!

Just the opposite. If you really think your children are in danger and want to protect them; then keep them home.

ThirdOfFive 09-14-2021 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2003349)
They are NOT banning masks, just the mandate to wear one. Leave it up to the parents and teachers, but NOT the federal government. They hose up everything they get involved in.

Precisely.

This is a ruling that affirms the right of the parents to decide on the health issues of their children rather than arbitrarily let schools overrule parents, and as such should be welcome by all of us.

ThirdOfFive 09-14-2021 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by thelegges (Post 2003736)
Everyday more children are testing positive, in schools with mask mandate. Two masked children in Michigan tested positive, then week later their fully vaccinated parents, tested positive.

Many have forgotten the healthcare workers wearing masks, still became infected. Then some who had to wear the non 95s, worked this entire time, never became infected. Many Healthcare workers are still refusing vaccine, some are resigning if a mandate is put is place.

The hundreds that I worked with in previous life, stand on “I worked the first 8 months, most of the time without proper PPE, or the same PPE for days at at time. Exposed 60 plus hours a week, and survived.

Many are appalled, at healthcare workers right to choose. But without them, the world would be a very different place.

Excellent points, all.

One of the problems with this whole mess is that things just aren't adding up. For instance, my stepdaughter and my step-granddaughter both came down with COVID last week in Minnesota. Family of six--and all fully vaccinated. It has pretty much run it's course though there are still several quarantine days left for them. School masks are mandated too, and my stepdaughter works from home. No other family member came down with it. Where it came from is anyone's guess, but they all did the mask-and-shot thing and this still happened.

Another interesting happening up there: the Minnesota Nurse's Association (largest such in the state, and it represents nurses in a couple of adjacent states as well) officially has adopted a position of neutrality on the COVID vaccinations for its members: in other words, it has decided that their members are a bit more qualified than the bureaucrats to make their own health-care decisions.

Velvet 09-14-2021 08:38 AM

Question, if you saw a parent beating their child black and blue, would you step in? Should the teacher? Or just watch and advocate for the rights of parents to do so. What about Covid which can do worse?

justjim 09-14-2021 08:42 AM

“People will generally accept facts as truth only if the facts agree with what they already believe”. That great philosopher Andy Rooney

lkagele 09-14-2021 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2003783)
Question, if you saw a parent beating their child black and blue, would you step in? Should the teacher? Or just watch and advocate for the rights of parents to do so. What about Covid which can do worse?

Equating not making your child wear a mask to child abuse? Come on.

By your logic, letting your children ride in a car is child abuse. Letting them go swimming is child abuse. Your children are much more likely to die from those events than from COVID.

Velvet 09-14-2021 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2003796)
Equating not making your child wear a mask to child abuse? Come on.

By your logic, letting your children ride in a car is child abuse. Letting them go swimming is child abuse. Your children are much more likely to die from those events than from COVID.

Nope. Most people do not intentionally drive so they can have an accident because they get their license taken away. You teach a child to swim, I started my daughter at 6 months and also each of my small kittens too. After I saw someone throw cats into a lake. There are schools which also teach swimming. You are reaching, sir or madam, to justify endangering the innocent.

brick010207 09-14-2021 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 2003687)
This is not good. This is picking a political side not doing what’s best for your kids.
I don’t get this whole thing with our governor, last year the school did great why make this stand……I am very disappointed in him. FYI in Weirsdale Elementary the school right off of 42 had 2 cafeteria ladies catch Covid and both died within four days of each other. Maybe all you pro No Mask Mandates would like to go deal with the grieving kids.

He's running for President!

virtualcynthia 09-14-2021 09:04 AM

Schools are required to provide a safe environment for children. So, if my child only goes to school and comes home to a safe environment and gets infected because he is with a group of unmasked students, I sue the school, the state and the parents for not providing a safe environment for my child.

Velvet 09-14-2021 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2003800)
So, parents should not have the freedom of controlling their children? The gov. should be the authority? So, if the gov deems that there are too many females in this country, they should mandate abortions? The court says a woman has the right of choice for her body, so is the gov going to take that right away? After all, the baby/child is part of the woman's body, right? Children will NOT keep their masks on in school, and that is fact. Teachers cannot be understood and children's replies cannot be understood when wearing masks. Sure, that is a small imposition IF/IF masks save lives. But, so far the CDC does not prove that masks (paper or cloth that folks are wearing) does much good. The gov. is well known for making mistakes in their judgement. I would rather make life choices for myself and my family, rather than depending on their often biased thinking demands.

Parents or anyone else do not have the right to hurt their children or should we act like the Taliban, why stop at Covid, why not cut the girls as well? There is no reason why children can’t wear n95 masks (child size). I absolutely support the right of parents but it stops when they hurt and not protect their children, and possibly endangering other children.

brick010207 09-14-2021 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 2003711)
Then google them. Theres plenty of data showing masks curb the virus. Dont want to mask your kid? Fine. Home school them or just have illiterate morons. Thats everyones choice!

Please NO!!! We have plenty of those.

golfing eagles 09-14-2021 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lkagele (Post 2003752)
Really? You're going to insult 90% of all parents? Statements such as this are just plain idiotic.

"My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"

Yes, when the topic is the understanding of the virology and epidemiology of a COVID pandemic and the value of masks for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adults and children, I AM going to insult 90+% of not only parents, but all adults as well. It is simply NOT a decision that should be left to either amateurs or politicians.

BTW, It's hardly an "insult". If you tell me I don't have the expertise to land an F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier, are you insulting me?

and as a to: "My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"---How about "Hello, pediatrician, what should I do"?

njbchbum 09-14-2021 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2003466)
snipped

I was surprised to find no articles reporting that masks do not help. None said masks were 100% effective but I did not notice any that said masks were 10)% ineffective.

You apparently did not search the internet with an appropriate phrase for that...try using face masks are useless and you will find what you missed!


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