Exactly, China's leader could've prevented all of these deaths, long term effects of the virus and the trillions of dollars spent so far.

I don't see why his failure isn't placed at the top of the list of whom to blame?

Look at California for instance. The highest number of positives. But is it fair to blame the leadership of that state? The blame is clearly on the one who let this happen to the world?

You have to remember China always takes the long view, where everything in the US is based on the next election cycle. The fact is tariffs were starting to have a major impact on them economically and through the new corporate tax structure companies were beginning to leave China. The slogan in China is 2025. That was their target for taking over the world economically and we put a wrench into their plans. So yes, I have no doubt this was done purposely.

Lot of things kill
 

Car accidents kill thousands. Are you going to stop driving? The flu kills thousands. Are you going to hide every fall? Hospitals kill thousands through mistakes and wrong diagnosis. Are you going to stay home in bed if you are ill to avoid the chance it could be you next? I won't even mention cigarettes and alcohol and other self inflicted killers.The list goes on and so does life. This country, it's workers and it's children need to get back to work and school. This needs to run it's course like any other Virus. Covid 19 is a modified cold virus. They have never been able to cure the common cold so what makes you think they will cure this. Take precautions but let's live our lives or at least let those of us who want to live ours without taking away the few pleasures we have left live theirs.

COVID Deaths
 

That is a curious comparison to say the least. We have 330,000,000 people exposed to COVID only a few million at best exposed in Vietmam or Korea! Really, comparing a virus that effects us all to men and women fighting wars is ridiculous! Exactly how does that compare in any way? Come on man!

Have we done a comparison between war deaths and children killed by their own parents via abortion? Look around - not just at covid19. Consider EVERYTHING that plagues this country: murders, rapes, robberies, riots, civil unrest, corruption at all levels of government & business, widespread pornography and subjugation of women, lying, greed, poverty, etc. Did anyone else notice how easy it was to disrupt the food and other supply lines (toilet paper anyone). And then on top of all this we have an insurmountable debt situation. Do you know that God prophesied that He would destroy an hypocritical nation (Isa 10:5-6). And a nation loaded with debt (pledges) will be conquered (Habakkuk 2:6-8).

How much longer before God’s blessings on it are completely removed? It looks imminent from where I’m sitting. COVID-19 deaths? This is just the beginning (of the end of this age). My 2 cents. Spend it any where you like.

Tell that to people that died in a motorcycle accident but were listed as Covid deaths. My aunt had Alzheimer's for years and died at 90. But you guessed it. She was listed as a Covid death. Most of the people that die with Covid had other serious morbidity factors. Only about 6% of the people with Covid actually died from Covid alone. The rest had other health problems, forget about the age of those that have died. Bottom line, the numbers are hyped to create fear. Thank the media.

This won't happen because the follow-on effort would track how many people were infected by the president. Don't ask, don't tell. Isn't that the famous mantra?

And this is relevant how?

This is just a ridiculous thread...Statistical value? I don't think so.

Many of the Covid deaths were fabricated. For example if your died in a car wreck and had Covid they reported it as a Covid death. Don’t fall for the propaganda

The number of deaths from flu in 2018-2019 flu season was 34,200

Actually, false negatives are much more prevalent than false positives. It is a big problem with the Abbott rapid test.

Sounds like a plausible defense in a murder trial.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, yes, my client stabbed, beat, shot, and poisoned Mr Magoo. However, none of those actions caused his death....it was Covid.

And its not through YET!

Therapy fee
 

the war deaths were young men in the prime of their lives cut down by warfare. They had every desire to live full lives.
Covid deaths have been attributed to many groups of elderly, nursing homes etc
i suggest you recalculate the deaths of war heroes vs those who were 45 and younger and died solely from covid .
Session over

And even IF true, how would I change my life to take that into consideration?

I just don’t understand comparing deaths in war to deaths from a health pandemic. It’s just not a comparison that makes any sense. Also the deaths from COVID are extremely hard to quantify. People are dying with it not from it but they count them all the same. It is political and financial reasons for the numbers. No one can deny this.

The US had 18% GREATER deaths during the CV period this year than the average deaths for the same period in other years. That increase can be attributed to CV . Therefore, the REAL number of CV deaths today is probably 270,000. In case someone thinks that this is not possible - compare it with other countries. Mexico is up 62% - that makes sense because Mexico does not have hospitals as good as the US. Peru has a 150% increase.

Now the clincher!!!! - Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, S.Korea, and Thailand have had a ZERO INCREASE - NONE - And now their people are leading normal lives. Why? I am guessing that it is because of National Health Care. There certainly could be other factors.

See post 59 for the answer. Or, at least, more clarity.

The CDC in 2019 published a report on research into whether masks provided any protection from the Flu virus. The conclusion was, NO! This report can easily be extrapolated to covid. Also. with our current level of treatments, the death rate for those 70-75 is now .006 per thousand, less than the Flu.

Full disclosure: Despite the above I do wear a mask when in a store just to avoid the frowns or outright anger and because I think masks do provide a slight barrier to blocking someone else's germs and sneezes. And I do get a flu shot every year.

Please provide your source for the first comments.

As to your second paragraph, not completely true. All have seen upticks but none of those countries totally locked down like us with the exception of South Korea and that did not help at all. FYI, life is back to normal in Sweden and they never locked down.

And I seriously doubt that nationalized health care would have contributed to ANY decrease.

Source...NY Times morning read available free on-line.

The population of the US in 1920 was approximately 106 million vs roughly 330 million now. The only statistic that means anything is the per capita rate.

You are behind times on Europe. In Germany the government is shutting down everything again due to a rise in the infection rate. Other European countries are following suit also. The governments eased travel restrictions and travelers were bringing the virus back home after their vacations.

You neglected to mention the yearly flu deaths for the last ........forever

So why are creating weaponized viruses?

This bears repeating;

Coronavirus Rumor Mill Rampant With Bogus News

Yes, very serious stuff. Be smart -- wear a mask. And demand our leaders be a little less reckless and show a little more empathy for those who have suffered and/or lost loved ones. And demand they stop discounting the older Americans who are more seriously affected by this -- just because someone is older doesn't mean their family and friends love them any less or would not be heartbroken to lose them sooner than later.

Ohh Kaay. Let us know when you have a credible source please.

But do you know the reason why?
 

That is correct, and not wrong for several reasons:
1 - hospitals don't make up the report requirements, the states and federal government does. So stop blaming hospitals
2 - medical records have a field for cause of death. The clinical cause of death may not have the source for the cause known. With limited testing in the beginning of the pandemic, there was no way to test for covid, but the clinical observed signs pointed to covid sars 2. but at the same time, there were strokes which killed people, and there was no way to know if covid caused the stroke or not. Still now, there are some clear cut patients who didn't die of covid, but were treated with ppe because they had covid, and were reimbursed for treating that patient, regardless of the cause of death being covid or not.
3 - governments reimbursed hospitals for covid patients as having covid patients required more expense for ppe. If the government didn't reimburse for the number of covid patients, hospitals would be bankrupt, or your insurance company would raise everyones' rates astronomically. So be thankful that the government reimbursed hospitals for the extra protection needed based on the number of covid patients treated.

4 - don't assume that the medical field is all knowing at the beginning of something new. The medical field of today has benefited from years of research and trials and testing. For something new, such as a vaccine, to be safe and effective, years of testing will be needed, but in the hospital with something new such as this, they will start with something they know as presented, and treat from there, and learn from failures.

Most hospitals care, want great outcomes, and being run and manned by humans, will make mistakes. But you better believe that we have much better health care system than most of the world, but the rest of the world has caught up from our willingness to educate them in our universities, and research in our universities. Many unseen parts of the medical field have worked together in this pandemic, such that the treatments and testing today have been developed in record time, and now are more sensitive than ever.

So you can be critical of health care all you want and reporting from your own little chair, but you will be thankful if you ever have to use the medical services which continue to be perfected and they don't go bankrupt when you might need it.

sportsguy

Darn we better stock up on toilet paper.

I just read a post on the thread about removing homes in the historic side. That post wanted us to look up "affirmatively furthering fair housing".

When I am confused by a post I generally look back on past posts.

I don't understand this one any better than the one you just posted.

Could you explain further, either or both?

The virus escaped from a lab near Wuhan where they were experimenting with weaponized viruses. Some so called fact checkers say it actually came from a market in Wuhan. But that market was reopened after disinfecting and no one from that market was treated for covid 19. Draw your own conclusions.

Not sure you are referring to a thread I started a few days ago called “Goodbye Historic Side” that was deleted by the mods because I didn’t reveal my “source”. My “source” was documents the developer presented to the commissioners a about a week ago
allowing for rezoning single family home areas to multi family home areas. The second “source” was from a Daily Sun article last week, I think , that the developer wanted to revitalize the area north of 44. Since the developer was buying up older mobile homes the possibility of replacing a group of them with apartments seemed to be a possibility. The developer is playing his cards close to his vest, can’t blame him, but I THINK there will be some surprises. Of course the usual disclaimer “your results may vary.”

I quoted Sloanst. Not you.

And generally speaking the developer makes decisions that enhance the Villages. Good for them...Good for us. I am very worried about some trying to "overthrow" the CDD Government form. It if ain't broke. Please don't try to fix it..

Sooooo, in concluding some of the TOTV posts, don't listen to the scientist, don't mask up, we're going to die anyway, yipsters.... You're kidding me, right?