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Old 02-06-2021, 12:43 PM
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The original stated purpose of masks was to prevent you from spreading it to others. It was said it would stop spittal, etc from being dispersed into the air. Now folks are saying to wear masks to keep from catching it. A N95 mask has exhaust vent ports built in so it does nothing to stop you from dispersing droplets into the air. The reality the germ is smaller than and filtering provided by any mask. So by who and why did the mask wearing benefit change?
CV droplets travel on water vapor drops from breathing. They are large enough to be stopped by masks. That is even common knowledge known since last year.
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Old 02-06-2021, 12:57 PM
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The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.
"All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful."
NOT TRUE as attested to by public health experts. These are the masks most people are wearing and, quite apart from COVID, teor value is proved by the minimal amount of flu and colds this winter.
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Old 02-06-2021, 01:01 PM
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The original stated purpose of masks was to prevent you from spreading it to others. It was said it would stop spittal, etc from being dispersed into the air. Now folks are saying to wear masks to keep from catching it. A N95 mask has exhaust vent ports built in so it does nothing to stop you from dispersing droplets into the air. The reality the germ is smaller than and filtering provided by any mask. So by who and why did the mask wearing benefit change?
There are vented N95 masks and NON vented N95 masks. In a global pandemic, do not wear any vented mask. The vent is a one way vent which protects the wearer of the mask. The vented mask allows all exhaled air including virus is that person is infected with Covid into the environment. We were told back in March 2020 not to wear any vented mask for this reason.
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The only protection that really works is a N95 facemask that has been properly fitted, discarded & replaced routinely. All of your homemade cloth & surgical masks are of little to no help and can be potentially harmful. Once you wear a mask, that mask is now considered contaminated and should be discarded or disinfected with a bleach solution. If you touch the outside of the mask and touch your face, you just gave a contaminant a way inside your body. In reusing a mask you are breathing through a petri dish of bacteria and worse being fed with your warm humid exhalations.

Now that many people have been vaccinated or have natural immunity the "mask mandates for all" needs to be changed. Just those who have not been vaccinated or do not have natural immunity should wear a mask but one that works, as in a N95.

People who have been vaccinated or have natural immunity from having COVID (like I have) do not need to be masked; it would be pointless.

- David H. Dallas RN, EMT-P (retired)
I am a retired RN, EMT-Paramedic with an ASN degree graduating summa cum laude, a member of 2 national honor societies, with past American Heart Association certifications in Advanced Cardiac Life Support and Pediatric Advanced Life Support.

Getting erroneous & questionable information from the government and putting together homemade charts is not helping anyone but continuing to feed the hysteria & fear. I worked during the onset of AIDS/HIV and H1N1 and never have I seen such a level of misinformation and a bombardment of articles that focus on rare atypical cases.
. So do you consider yourself more informed and educated and experienced than the doctors on the Corona task force?
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Please, please, just wear one for the rest of us. If we’d all just be a community thinking of one another, we’d have the original virus and probably the variants beaten by the Fourth of July. Is that too much to ask, neighbor?
USA is becoming United Selfish of America. Remember the movie where "greed is good". The US of A is the worst country in the world for CV. We are all living through this HELL - directly due to greed, selfishness, and lack of empathy. Florida and TV Land are laggards, not leaders in protecting their citizens from CV. The Super Spreader Bowl and newer variants will just add to our little local HELL!
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Old 02-06-2021, 01:13 PM
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Well, I'm pretty much a "denier". I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But, Covid is nothing worse than the seasonal flu including the fact that the flu strains change all the time. I don't recall mandates that people wear masks during flu season or kids wear masks at school. People got the flu vaccine as a personal decision and no one shamed them as if it was a community decision. This is all about population control and massive mail-in ballot fraud. Furthermore, I'm also an "anti-vaxxer". If you see fit to put a mRNA (messenger RNA) gene therapy (not a vaccine) into your arm, who am I to say that you can't risk your health and life doing that. Just don't try to tell other that they have to do it.

If there is some political mandate that people should get the mRNA shot for the protection of others, then all abortions should stop immediately for the safety of the child.

Ooops, was that policital? Seems more religious to me.
That was disinformation at a very DANGEROUS level. Pretty close to an A through Q level. I hope to be the exact opposite.
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Old 02-06-2021, 01:15 PM
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So many seem to think their expertise is superior to that of the CDC. It is still a CDC recommendation to wear a mask. The rest of the world thinks we’ve lost our minds on this. I continue to have absolutely no problem wearing a mask and find this discussion so tiresome.... but ironically not tiresome enough not to respond. 😆
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Old 02-06-2021, 01:19 PM
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I have seen CDC numbers in December that corroborate this.

Before you review the Food For Thought ... I found these number interesting. As reported by the CDC ... Here are the US deaths by year and the change from the previous year

Year 2017 2,818,503 Americans died

Year 2018: 2,839,205 deaths (20,702 more than the previous year 2017)

Year 2019: 2,855,000 deaths (16,300 more than the previous year 2018)

The year of the pandemic ...

Year 2020: 2,913,144 deaths (57,641 more than the previous year 2019)

BUT WAIT: There were zero deaths from Covid-19 during 2018, and 2019 and the jump from 2019 was only 57,641 ???

I've been told that Covid is responsible for now 400,000 + deaths. Shouldn't the 2020 number be a hell of a lot higher?

So the question becomes: How many people died OF COVID and How many died (of other causes) WITH Covid?
There is a previous post in this thread that has a graph that answers your question completely.
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Old 02-06-2021, 01:24 PM
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Get the vaccination or don't get it. Wear a mask or don't wear a mask. Go out or cower at home. Your decision, but don't presume to demand that others conform to whatever standard you insist is better than the norm. You all don't seem to get it. I don't modify my lifestyle for your convenience. I had no intention of getting the vaccination until I did some research on it. I decided that it was not dangerous and since I was helping my spouse secure her shots, I found it convenient to go ahead and get mine at the same time. I do not believe that I would have ever become infected, and figured that even if I did, I would shrug it off in a few days. I wear a mask when there is a sign on the door of the business. Once I get my second shot, I will get the flimsiest and thin mask I can find and carry it if I am out shopping in case it is required to enter a business. Many of you demanded that other folks "protect" you by wearing a mask. Now, there will be no reason to think that I am going to infect you because I won't have the virus. I don't have it now, and haven't had it. But, most of you run amok in hysteria thinking that everyone around you is infected.
So, do what you wish to protect yourselves because it is not anyone else's responsibility to take care of you.
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Old 02-06-2021, 01:25 PM
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USA is becoming United Selfish of America.
Well unfortunately you're correct. Whether it's the far left or far right, it seems there's no middle ground and everyone is saying "I slept in a Holiday Inn last night and I know everything about everything. Plus I'm an American and you're not telling me what to do" - so let's burn the Capital down, loot stores, gather in spreader events because it's "just the flu".

I often feel like our country has lost it's collective mind. TOTV is just a microcosm. There are a lot of good intentions, some crazy ones, and no unity.
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Thank you to the prior administration for the misinformation and disinformation.Hopefully we have a new day with our new governmental administration.
Stop looking at interviews with certain medical professionals that can’t stay away from the cameras and do research on your own. Do you know that the medical experts who work for the government do not recommend or even suggest that if an individual tests positive and shows early signs of infection there isn’t any treatment? They suggest all you can do is go home and tough it out. This type of plan has been refuted by many other infectious disease specialists equally and eminently qualified as the select few you see constantly in the media, as there does exist a number of validated treatment plans with readily available pharmaceuticals that can lessen the degree of the consequences caused by the virus and can lessen the time one suffers from the effects. These professionals are rarely heard as they don’t work for the government.
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So many seem to think their expertise is superior to that of the CDC. It is still a CDC recommendation to wear a mask. The rest of the world thinks we’ve lost our minds on this. I continue to have absolutely no problem wearing a mask and find this discussion so tiresome.... but ironically not tiresome enough not to respond. 😆
True about the rest of the world. They laugh and pity us. We became # 1 in the world for CV by stupidity and selfishness - a good lesson in life.
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Old 02-06-2021, 02:07 PM
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And you wonder how many times people have gone for a test. My neighbor had to go 3 times in 2 weeks! He was positive and had to test negative b4 going back to work.
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True about the rest of the world. They laugh and pity us. We became # 1 in the world for CV by stupidity and selfishness - a good lesson in life.
THAT is not because of our leaders, THAT inability to respect the advice of scientists comes from those people who have not had rudimentary background in it for some reason. I remember in Junior High, the school nurse, perhaps sensing a candidate for medicine of some sort, explained to me at great length about germs, where they lived, what they did, how they prospered, how to keep them out and how to kill them. She showed me how to clean a thermometer back then by doing a circular wipe down with alcohol and cotton. I had received my Sabin/Salk vaccine early and the big round scar for vaccination for small pox and I was a Candy Striper, a young volunteer who helped out a few hours a week at Columbus Children's Hospital, and there were many people being kept alive in big iron lungs. It was heartbreaking. My own cousin spent three months there with Balbar Polio, but thankfully he mostly recovered. We cannot blame anyone but ourselves for stubbornness and selfishness and impatience to do what WE want to do...and we should not be critical of those who are prudent.
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Unrelenting fear mongering from the media is driving this.
I would not listen to the “medical experts” because they do not know which end is up.
Long term effects can happen with a vaccine which was developed 10 minutes ago.
I have know many people, of many ages, who got the virus and fully recovered. It is a flu.
It is good to take precautions.
It is most dangerous for people who or ill or debilitated, if you are not one of these, you should be okay.
Hope you leave lots of money to your grandchildren to pay the debt.
And I am really, really sick of hearing about it.
So many mis-statements. It is not the media who are driving this, it is the deniers, the non-maskers, the people who gather in large groups and don't social distance, the people who believe this pandemic is no worse than the flu, the people who think they know more than medical professionals, and the people who think 500,000 U.S. Covid deaths is acceptable. They are the people spreading this. And it is most dangerous for people over 65. I do agree, I'm sick of this pandemic too.
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