[Velvet]

We are only as strong as our weakest link. As long as there are any people with Covid we are still in danger. It took just one person at a Wuhan market (if that is where this virus came from) one person on the other side of the globe, to result in 15 million infections and many, many deaths in the US. And Covid is not done yet!

[Velvet]

The reason why people sometimes retract what they wrote is because they may have thought better of their reply. Especially if they wrote in the heat of the moment.

Or, the reply is only relevant for a short time etc.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

We are only as strong as our weakest link. As long as there are any people with Covid we are still in danger. It took just one person at a Wuhan market (if that is where this virus came from) one person on the other side of the globe, to result in 15 million infections and many, many deaths in the US. And Covid is not done yet!

I agree. Progress makes the world a smaller place each year.

[jimjamuser]

There is a general problem with vaccine distribution in the US that will not be of the same magnitude of a problem as it will be in other countries like Australia and New Zealand. The US has a greater problem. The US has let its CV problem spread much more than other countries. We have the world's worse problem. WE are #1 in cases per 100,000 people.

Experts are using this analogy.......the CV vaccine availability is like giving a Fire Dept. a strong, capable fire hose, which is a good thing! They can quickly use that strong hose to put out a house fire. The problem comes up when they try to use it to fight a raging forest fire. Think of Australia as the house fire and the US as the ranging forest fire.

Basically, I believe that here in the US we have allowed our CV problem to grow too far. The vaccines will NOT be in enough quantity to quickly overcome our prior poor response to our CV problem. There are more problems going forward - distribution problems - staff to administer the shots - anti-vaccine forces - conspiracy theory propaganda and etc.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Florida has done one of the worst jobs at reducing the risk of the virus, which is why it was THE #1 hotspot shortly after a post I recall proclaimin "it's only 14 deaths" and remained in the top 5 hotspots in the country for months. Now, it's back to being a hotspot. We didn't tighten restrictions soon enough. We didn't keep them tight long enough. And, we didn't tighten them enough, when they were tightened.

The entire state of Florida should've had an indoor mask mandate, and limited outdoor restrictions, from the first month that we learned the virus came to this country.

I'm not about to put my life in the trust of the government that made those decisions. My right to health is more important than my freedom to not wear a mask. You might not feel your health is more important than my freedom to not wear a mask, but thankfully for you, I also have the freedom TO wear one.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Florida has done one of the worst jobs at reducing the risk of the virus, which is why it was THE #1 hotspot shortly after a post I recall proclaimin "it's only 14 deaths" and remained in the top 5 hotspots in the country for months. Now, it's back to being a hotspot. We didn't tighten restrictions soon enough. We didn't keep them tight long enough. And, we didn't tighten them enough, when they were tightened.

The entire state of Florida should've had an indoor mask mandate, and limited outdoor restrictions, from the first month that we learned the virus came to this country.

I'm not about to put my life in the trust of the government that made those decisions. My right to health is more important than my freedom to not wear a mask. You might not feel your health is more important than my freedom to not wear a mask, but thankfully for you, I also have the freedom TO wear one.

We have never before in my lifetime needed strong Federal and State government and leadership than we do right now. Even the cold war days of the 50s and 60s it did NOT feel so up close and personal as this Plague today. TV Land has been spared and has gotten WAY more complacent than Miami or even Chicago, where they can FEEL the presence of deadly danger! I get called "chicken little" and pollyannish because I do not watch Factless News and absorb the propaganda of "act normal" and live the happy talk way. I will stubbornly try to express views that I think are good for humanity, even though I was never before a "do-gooder". I will morph into one during this period of stress and trauma.


If I am wrong and this is NOT a period of great stress and trauma, then OK, cool, I am not perfect. I have been wrong before. I have also been stubborn before!!!!!!!

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

We have never before in my lifetime needed strong Federal and State government and leadership than we do right now. Even the cold war days of the 50s and 60s it did NOT feel so up close and personal as this Plague today. TV Land has been spared and has gotten WAY more complacent than Miami or even Chicago, where they can FEEL the presence of deadly danger! I get called "chicken little" and pollyannish because I do not watch Factless News and absorb the propaganda of "act normal" and live the happy talk way. I will stubbornly try to express views that I think are good for humanity, even though I was never before a "do-gooder". I will morph into one during this period of stress and trauma.


If I am wrong and this is NOT a period of great stress and trauma, then OK, cool, I am not perfect. I have been wrong before. I have also been stubborn before!!!!!!!

And, thank you for doing that.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

As far as the education system goes in that post.........there are a lot of background facts missing. Namely, since there has been ZERO research YET on the effects of the vaccine on young children - CHILDREN are NOT getting the vaccine until PROVEN SAFE for them!!!!! They are CURRENTLY cleared by Medical Science to go to school because they have a natural immunity (for a yet unknown reason) to COVID-19. It is the ADULT teachers, janitors, and security guards that are at RISK when schools open. Therefore, young school age children will be the LAST to need a vaccine!

Sorry I know I need to be more direct in my post. Higher education need to get back to classes. They are adults, their education is at a standstill with online classes. With zero hands on chemistry, and cadaver labs, to name a few, students are stagnant in their education.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Florida has done one of the worst jobs at reducing the risk of the virus, which is why it was THE #1 hotspot shortly after a post I recall proclaimin "it's only 14 deaths" and remained in the top 5 hotspots in the country for months. Now, it's back to being a hotspot. We didn't tighten restrictions soon enough. We didn't keep them tight long enough. And, we didn't tighten them enough, when they were tightened.

The entire state of Florida should've had an indoor mask mandate, and limited outdoor restrictions, from the first month that we learned the virus came to this country.

I'm not about to put my life in the trust of the government that made those decisions. My right to health is more important than my freedom to not wear a mask. You might not feel your health is more important than my freedom to not wear a mask, but thankfully for you, I also have the freedom TO wear one.

Florida is the third most populous State in the Union. California and Texas have greater population and the State of New York has less, but the State of New York has many more deaths.

As of today.
Deaths from Covid in Florida. 19,627
Deaths from Covid in New York. 34,637

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by asianthree

Sorry I know I need to be more direct in my post. Higher education need to get back to classes. They are adults, their education is at a standstill with online classes. With zero hands on chemistry, and cadaver labs, to name a few, students are stagnant in their education.

Yes definitely. We agree. Thank you!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Florida is the third most populous State in the Union. California and Texas have greater population and the State of New York has less, but the State of New York has many more deaths.

As of today.
Deaths from Covid in Florida. 19,627
Deaths from Covid in New York. 34,637

NYC had more CV brought in from Europe when leadership was worried about China in the spring. Florida never had those problems. NY state reacted well ASAP. Florida never had a good reaction and blundered around like drunken sailors in their CV response! Completely apples and oranges (Florida oranges)

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Florida is the third most populous State in the Union. California and Texas have greater population and the State of New York has less, but the State of New York has many more deaths.

As of today.
Deaths from Covid in Florida. 19,627
Deaths from Covid in New York. 34,637

I'm not concerned -at all- about deaths. People die every day. People in the Villages are years closer to death than any other 70-square-mile patch in the country, on average, just by virtue of the fact that they're mostly seniors.

I'm concerned with people SURVIVING the sickness with life-long permanent lung and heart damage. I'm concerned with families suffering needlessly. I'm concerned with people not being allowed to say goodbye to those loved ones who are dying. I'm concerned - in short - with the LIVING.

I don't want to get sick, and survive, and end up having to carry around an air tank in my purse for the rest of my life. I don't want my husband to get sick, and be told his heart scarring is so bad that he'll never be able to play golf again.

I also don't want to have to spend my life inside my house, being afraid that some idiot with Covid who refuses to wear a mask or social distance is going to start coughing right when he passes me in the bread aisle at Walmart.

If you can't breathe when you wear a mask, then you shouldn't be out in public. You're WAY too sick to be in the presence of other people who aren't wearing THEIR masks.

If you can breathe when you wear a mask, then - wear a mask.

I know of ONE person who might be exempt - and that's someone with something horribly wrong with his nose, who probably wouldn't be able to endure the pain of having something touching it. Him, I have compassion for. Everyone else? Nope. Wear a mask. If you don't wear a mask, and you get sick, then my thoughts and prayers will be for whatever family or friends you have who tried to get you to wear a mask, to no avail.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by John41

The US already had enough vaccine to vaccinate the most vulnerable by the target date of the end of 2020. That was the goal. So it shared the excess with Europe just as it did with the extra ventilators the US produced.

The US shared nothing.
Europe ordered and paid for vaccine, from Phizer, just as they have orders with all vaccine producers as their products are certified safe.
Business is business.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

NYC had more CV brought in from Europe when leadership was worried about China in the spring. Florida never had those problems. NY state reacted well ASAP. Florida never had a good reaction and blundered around like drunken sailors in their CV response! Completely apples and oranges (Florida oranges)

I agree. Florida started out slow, but due to incompetence we are now in big trouble.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

The US shared nothing.
Europe ordered and paid for vaccine, from Phizer, just as they have orders with all vaccine producers as their products are certified safe.
Business is business.

The US Leadership turned down the offer of additional vaccine shipments from Phizer, so other countries bought it up.