[Lottoguy]

They should add the people who work in the hospital distribution network to the first group. These people supply the hospitals, etc. If they get sick your not going to get your much needed supplies. I worked in this industry and we are the backbone of the supply chain.

[Bill14564]

Would anyone who feels their group is NOT critical and should go last please raise your hand?

The hospitals are being overwhelmed by those who get sick enough to require it - some of them die. Others get sick and recover, others don't realize they are sick, and still others have already been infected and have developed an immunity.

Let's aim the vaccine where it will have the most impact. Put those likely to take up hospital space and those likely to die at the front of the line. Test everyone for antibodies first and not spend the initial allotment of vaccine on those who have them. Put those least likely to be severely impacted, like children or most of those under 40, towards the end. Yeah, not popular, but there is science to support it.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by JimJohnson

The US Leadership turned down the offer of additional vaccine shipments from Phizer, so other countries bought it up.

The main point I was disputing with the other poster was the word 'shared.'
It was sold.

[JimJohnson]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Would anyone who feels their group is NOT critical and should go last please raise your hand?

The hospitals are being overwhelmed by those who get sick enough to require it - some of them die. Others get sick and recover, others don't realize they are sick, and still others have already been infected and have developed an immunity.

Let's aim the vaccine where it will have the most impact. Put those likely to take up hospital space and those likely to die at the front of the line. Test everyone for antibodies first and not spend the initial allotment of vaccine on those who have them. Put those least likely to be severely impacted, like children or most of those under 40, towards the end. Yeah, not popular, but there is science to support it.

[DeanFL]

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In MY opinion (after all "they" have put us thru this year) POLITICIANS nationwide should be the Very LAST individuals to receive the vaccine in the USA.


the order recommended by the ACIP

First: Health Care Workers and residents of Long term care facilities This is called the 1a group
Health care workers includes:
• Hospitals
• Long-term care facilities
• Outpatient clinics
• Home health care
• Pharmacies
• Emergency medical services
• Public health

Long term care residents includes:
Skilled nursing facilities (~1.3 M beds)
• Assisted living facilities (~0.8 M beds)
• Other residential care (~0.9 M beds)

Next is the 1b group:

Phase 1b
Essential workers
(examples: Education Sector, Food & Agriculture, Utilities,
Police, Firefighters, Corrections Officers, Transportation)

Then the next group
Phase1c
Adults with high -risk medical conditions
Adults 65+

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Velvet

We are only as strong as our weakest link. As long as there are any people with Covid we are still in danger. It took just one person at a Wuhan market (if that is where this virus came from) one person on the other side of the globe, to result in 15 million infections and many, many deaths in the US. And Covid is not done yet!

Surely you do not believe the myth that ONE person at the Wuhan market is responsible for the pandemic?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

We have never before in my lifetime needed strong Federal and State government and leadership than we do right now. Even the cold war days of the 50s and 60s it did NOT feel so up close and personal as this Plague today. TV Land has been spared and has gotten WAY more complacent than Miami or even Chicago, where they can FEEL the presence of deadly danger! I get called "chicken little" and pollyannish because I do not watch Factless News and absorb the propaganda of "act normal" and live the happy talk way. I will stubbornly try to express views that I think are good for humanity, even though I was never before a "do-gooder". I will morph into one during this period of stress and trauma.
If I am wrong and this is NOT a period of great stress and trauma, then OK, cool, I am not perfect. I have been wrong before. I have also been stubborn before!!!!!!!

Some Americans are just weak and NEED someone to tell them what to do. Some do not have enough sense to make decisions on their own. What a shame.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Some Americans are just weak and NEED someone to tell them what to do. Some do not have enough sense to make decisions on their own. What a shame.

We learn from each other. We are not born with knowledge. That is why we have an education system and government. But... that does not mean we don’t do our own assessments.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Velvet

We learn from each other. We are not born with knowledge. That is why we have an education system and government. But... that does not mean we don’t do our own assessments.

Not really relevant to the point, is it? The statement is about someone needing the gov to tell them what to do. Like I said, weak folks need supervision for the smallest decisions.

[Velvet]

I guess I am not looking at only one government ie. the one in the US. There are good governments and bad ones. It is dangerous to follow a dictatorial or fascist or Communist government as they have no good intentions for the general public. But a democratic country’s government usually has the general population’s interest at heart. I give them the benefit of the doubt. Those individuals who react, just because someone tells what to do, remind me of toddlers. They don’t evaluate, they just say, “Don’t tell me what to do!” There is a reason why with ALL the available resources, being in many ways FIRST among the nations of the world, the US is probably having the most difficulty controlling this virus on the globe.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

The US shared nothing.
Europe ordered and paid for vaccine, from Phizer, just as they have orders with all vaccine producers as their products are certified safe.
Business is business.

That is correct. Good post!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

I guess I am not looking at only one government ie. the one in the US. There are good governments and bad ones. It is dangerous to follow a dictatorial or fascist or Communist government as they have no good intentions for the general public. But a democratic country’s government usually has the general population’s interest at heart. I give them the benefit of the doubt. Those individuals who react, just because someone tells what to do, remind me of toddlers. They don’t evaluate, they just say, “Don’t tell me what to do!” There is a reason why with ALL the available resources, being in many ways FIRST among the nations of the world, the US is probably having the most difficulty controlling this virus on the globe.

True......that !

Thanks to Operation Warp Speed there are two effective vaccines to fight Covid19 as well as a surplus of ventilators that we shared with the world. We could have ordered Pfizer to hoard all the Covid19 vaccine for the US but generously shared it with other nations at a fair price to reflect the cost of production. The best government program since the Marshal Plan.

Originally Posted by Velvet

I guess I am not looking at only one government ie. the one in the US. There are good governments and bad ones. It is dangerous to follow a dictatorial or fascist or Communist government as they have no good intentions for the general public. But a democratic country’s government usually has the general population’s interest at heart. I give them the benefit of the doubt. Those individuals who react, just because someone tells what to do, remind me of toddlers. They don’t evaluate, they just say, “Don’t tell me what to do!” There is a reason why with ALL the available resources, being in many ways FIRST among the nations of the world, the US is probably having the most difficulty controlling this virus on the globe.

Highest reported cases per 100,000 people

Andorra 9,255
Luxembourg 6,331
Montenegro 6,196
Bahrain 5,614
French Polynesia 5,440
San Marino 5,328
Belgium 5,188
Czech 5,186
Qatar 5,040
Armenia 4,842

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

We have never before in my lifetime needed strong Federal and State government and leadership than we do right now. Even the cold war days of the 50s and 60s it did NOT feel so up close and personal as this Plague today. TV Land has been spared and has gotten WAY more complacent than Miami or even Chicago, where they can FEEL the presence of deadly danger! I get called "chicken little" and pollyannish because I do not watch Factless News and absorb the propaganda of "act normal" and live the happy talk way. I will stubbornly try to express views that I think are good for humanity, even though I was never before a "do-gooder". I will morph into one during this period of stress and trauma.


If I am wrong and this is NOT a period of great stress and trauma, then OK, cool, I am not perfect. I have been wrong before. I have also been stubborn before!!!!!!!

I have read several of your posts and would like to comment on your verbiage of "TV Land". I find that "term" offensive for some reason. I apologize in advance if your intent is not to belittle our community which is called The Villages.