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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1794993)

It’s been over 1 month since demonstrations/riots the protesting cities are not showing the spikes we are seeing in Az, Tx Fl. Here in the Villages we survived about 60 days with closures. We are now open and many idiots dropped their guard what they have learned and are infected. All that was suggested social distancing wear a mask BUT to many here it was a joke.

In the beautifully safe and lovely cities, health workers were specifically instructed under penalty of termination not to reveal riot and protest participation. Fake test give fake results.

Until we get an effective vaccine, maybe we should just get out and get on with life, and let the virus do what it's GOING TO DO ANYWAY. Then we will be done with it till the next (and probably more deadly) virus comes along.

I'm not a doctor, but I did spend a night at a Holiday Inn Express.

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1794508)

As far as who publishes what statistics, there are multiple interpretations of data, analytics and statistics. . . always the ability to segregate and twist the data to tell a narrative. There are also biases with any and every commercial enterprise. . I have spend too many years in corporate america watching the machine make saugage, so assume that there are commercial reasons for not publishing data, and assume that the publishers don't want a perceived outcome or a responsibility for the article.

The worst are the stock market explanations for why the market goes up or down in any particular day. I have a predictive model which identified particular days which go up and then which go down, regardless of the news. So when the prediction comes true as in the pattern has repeated the same way for 20 years, and the narrative is different every time, why do really listen to the publicized reasons?

Likewise, having been an insider in several companies, and having worked on valuation of companies for buying and selling, what the general public hears or reads is usually only a very small piece of the reality inside. So unless you have "reliable" insider information, which is not illegal, then you really are only getting a desired narrative. Same with medical narratives, same with corporate marketing narratives, same with financial results narratives, same with political narratives.

Best to work on one's handicap instead of relying on commercial enterprise news.

sportsguy

Agree with your assessment. When it comes to data you are correct as you can massage rather data to a point where it shows exactly what you want it to be. As far as statistics, what doesn’t happen in the media or with Fauci is a drill down. When you look at stats from the 30,000 foot level, you can interpret that the sky is falling. After a drill down through the details, many times things don’t look to bad. That’s why I would like to see more of Dr. Birx than Dr. Fauci. Birx is data driven and that’s the info we need. Isn’t it funny she never is asked to testify before Congress and probably has had one tenth of media interviews versus her colleague Fauci. In my opinion, the reason is she can identify the specific hotspots and not blame the whole state for example for an uptick. That’s what people need to see and hear.

Seems to me that if in the beginning they were testing only 100's of thousands and an X number tested positive, wouldn't now since they've tested over 33 MILLION that positive test rate number also sky rocket? More tests, more positives, seems like simple math..I still believe it's the mortality rate we need to watch closely..

[QUOTE=Joe C.;1795103I'm not a doctor, but I did spend a night at a Holiday Inn Express.[/QUOTE]

:1rotfl:

Please tell me where

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Originally Posted by Irishmen (Post 1795067)

In the beautifully safe and lovely cities, health workers were specifically instructed under penalty of termination not to reveal riot and protest participation. Fake test give fake results.

you got this information , they must have more fairytales to share

Where can one find out how many Villagers have died from COVID-19? My son who lives in NY read in the Orlando newspaper that 5 people to date who live in TV have died. I remember reading about a male pickleball player who was hospitalized- never heard anymore about him, only the two women who died. Does anyone know what happened to the pickleball player?

I thought we were told to ride in different carts to golf. Since four players play in a group they would/ should all be driving alone.

We can speculate from now until the cows come home; we can listen to the authorities guessing as best as they can, we can ignore the speculations of lay people, but the bottom line will still be dates, facts, and numbers. And I suspect (my opinion) we're nowhere—NOWHERE—near that bottom line yet....

You may as well face it. It’s hear, it’s going to do a lot of health damage , it’s going to kill many more and the economy it badly trashed in this state.
Local municipalities have closed down their areas and are requiring face mask in a desperate move to protect residents. They expected leadership from the governor but it never come.
Denying this is no longer an option. God help us.

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Originally Posted by Beyond The Wall (Post 1794941)

Fauci has been right less then 50% of time. Not creditable . Neither are CDC and WHO. Inside spread is valid. However rioting and protesting were DEFINITELY trigger points. Data showing that you can not stop the spread, just try to control rate.
As aside, King Cuomo is an ass! Just saying

I think Governor Cuomo did a pretty good job and the only error I can see is directing convalescent cases toward convalescent centers. I also think Ohio's governor did a good job despite opposition from several areas. I think Dr. Fauci is the bomb. He is a smart and diplomatic man who has faced extremely unusual resistance from what a year ago I would have considered surprising areas.

Not all wisdom on this subject rests in one area and really, it is ALL mostly common sense and self control.

We all know that shutting down people, shuts down the economy which is the life blood of people and their bread and butter and their shelter and the entire structure of society. We are as a country, between a rock and a hard place and we olders are arguably in the best position to choose safety, IF WE WANT TO.

People who help us and hindered us have seats on both sides of the aisle. I think science trumps all. It is a little iddy biddy bug and it's killing us and many are letting it.

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1795343)

you got this information , they must have more fairytales to share

COVID Contact Tracers Don’t Ask About Floyd Protest Participation - THE CITY

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Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 1795343)

you got this information , they must have more fairytales to share

NYC contact tracers told not to ask if people have attended a protest - Business Insider

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1795645)

GG, I have to respectfully disagree with you on Cuomo . Like you, at first I thought he seemed like he had a good grasp on things and seemed reasoned. Then the truth came out about the thousands who died in NY nursing homes due to the fact he ordered positive patients back into those facilities. His response was to blame everyone and everything but himself, even callously saying at one point, "people die". Even members of his own party are now calling for an independent investigation. He lost all credibility with me when he refused to take responsibility. Dr. Fauci, is indeed a respected scientist. But he too has made mistakes going back to the early days of the crisis. He stated we had nothing to worry about, that this would never become a pandemic, go on a cruise, etc. He seems to have learned his lesson but now appears to be cautious to an extreme. I'm not sure whether to believe him anymore. The one I do respect is Dr. Birx. She has a solid grasp of the data and shows it.