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karostay 07-14-2020 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1802762)
“Crazy as hell” is what a St. Petersburg, Florida resident called the mayor’s plan to replace 25 police with 25 social workers. Beginning October 1 unarmed social workers will be responding to the following “non violent” 911 calls instead of the police.

Disorderly intoxication
Intoxication
Mental health crisis
Drug overdose
Disorderly juvenile
Homeless complaint
Panhandling
Neighborhood dispute

We sometimes visited attractions in the St Pete area. No more.

For moment I thought you were describing the Villages

chvlt57 07-14-2020 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mamamia54 (Post 1802786)
It seems all the the things the social workers will be handling can go south pretty quick. I wonder how the social workers feel about it. I’m sure after the first call where one gets hurt or killed, they will rethink that ridiculous idea. To me, the whole idea of defunding and dismantling the police is ridiculous.

The negative results if these actions will never make it onto the main stream media!

Holpat39 07-14-2020 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Get real (Post 1802993)
It's time for the American public to decide what we want from law enforcement. Warriors? Counselors? Guardians? Priests? Social workers? Magicians?
Do we want the cheapest cops possible? Or, do we want well-trained and well-screened cops who are equipped with every tool needed for every possible eventuality?
Or do we want the beat cop from grandaddy's hometown, with nothing but a smile, a wheelgun and one set of cuffs?
Really, we want it all. Admit it, we do – and we want it all without paying for any of it.
Every officer needs to be an empathetic, well-spoken, SEAL-trained ninja, with double majors in psychology and social work, who considers the job a calling, and has no bills to pay, no nerves to fray, and enforces the law completely objectively while also using discretion at all times, unless it's going to result in arresting – or not arresting – the wrong person at the wrong time, for the wrong thing, in the opinion of every member of the public.
If that person existed, he wouldn't work for you. So we've got to deal with what exists, and what exists are humans.
Humans are fallible, and their bodies are frail. Their brains play tricks on them when they're under stress, and then keep them from sleeping by replaying the stressor on an endless loop later, trying to find ways to "fix" whatever went wrong.
Humans come in varieties, not exactly like dog breeds, but close enough that the analogy works: If you need a bite dog, you don't start with a Golden Retriever. Possibly, you can teach the Golden to bite on command, if you're persistent enough, and mean enough, but in the process, you'll ruin everything that made him a Golden to begin with.
Now translate that back to people.
Warriors, soldiers and great war generals like Patton may live for the fight but they don't always play well with others after the battle. They can be harsh. They can use bad language in settings where you wish they were polite. They find humor in ugly, dark places that just frighten the rest of society. They're not always...nice.
If you want only a cuddly, soft, empathetic officer whose first response is always a soft answer and compassion, you can have that. She'll never embarrass her chief at Coffee with a Cop. He'll present well on camera every time and remind you of someone's grandfather. He'll be the perfect SRO until there's an active shooter at your kid's school.
Suddenly, society insists on the warrior.
They want the demon Malinois, 55 pounds of rawhide, spring steel and gator teeth, driving into the gunfire and doing anything it takes – anything – to keep the children safe.
And once the threat is gone, society wants the Malinois to morph back into the therapy dog. They want the warrior gone, the counselor returned, the off switch thrown.
That's not how it works.
And it's not fair.
I tell you now: the unicorn doesn't exist. You can't have it. What you can have is a human.
If you recruit well, conduct thorough background checks and train constantly, you can have a human with a kind heart and good ethics who is willing to fight hard, be uncomfortable and even get hurt for you.
You can have a human who tries. You can have someone who struggles, who sometimes fails, who gets better with time and experience and who has setbacks.
But you can't have perfection. In fact, you can break perfectly good humans by insisting they be something they can't be – things no one can be.
Decide now that as long as cops get recruited from the human race, they're going to be exactly human, with everything that means. The rest of society is also human, after all.
Maybe it's time we decide what we want from the rest of us, too.

Get Real posted one of the most intelligent responses every posted on this site.

sloanst 07-14-2020 09:37 AM

OK liberals. You wanted this. Time for you to step up and take point.

Barefoot 07-14-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mamamia54 (Post 1802786)
It seems all the the things the social workers will be handling can go south pretty quick. I wonder how the social workers feel about it. I’m sure after the first call where one gets hurt or killed, they will rethink that ridiculous idea. To me, the whole idea of defunding and dismantling the police is ridiculous.

:agree:

retiredguy123 07-14-2020 10:16 AM

Disorderly intoxication
Intoxication
Mental health crisis
Drug overdose
Disorderly juvenile
Homeless complaint
Panhandling
Neighborhood dispute

I wouldn't consider these to be non-violent situations. And, some of them are actual crimes, like disorderly intoxication and panhandling. Crimes require someone who can enforce the law, not a social worker. And a drug overdose or mental health crisis requires an ambulance with medical personnel.

Stu from NYC 07-14-2020 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1803063)
Disorderly intoxication
Intoxication
Mental health crisis
Drug overdose
Disorderly juvenile
Homeless complaint
Panhandling
Neighborhood dispute

I wouldn't consider these to be non-violent situations. And, some of them are actual crimes, like disorderly intoxication and panhandling. Crimes require someone who can enforce the law, not a social worker. And a drug overdose or mental health crisis requires an ambulance with medical personnel.

Does anyone think that social workers will want to be doing this when they start getting hurt or killed?

Dilligas 07-14-2020 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1802790)
You beat me to this.

How can politicians be so stupid and irresponsible

Their reason for the move is BLM, the most racist organization around.....all lives matter.

They are politicians.....in the job to get re-elected.

Very few are there for the good of the citizens. Political Correctness has taken over in Federal, State, and Local governments.

Most politicians have no other experience than political campaigns and community organizing.

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mamamia54 (Post 1802786)
It seems all the the things the social workers will be handling can go south pretty quick. I wonder how the social workers feel about it. I’m sure after the first call where one gets hurt or killed, they will rethink that ridiculous idea. To me, the whole idea of defunding and dismantling the police is ridiculous.

There is some truth to the, "there may be problems" comments that many are writing. But, there are 2 sides and gray areas to EVERY debate. One factor is obvious-people initially react badly to change. That's why the conservative viewpoint is easier to win in a debate. Change is FRIGHTENING to many people. For example, the 1st Black president was always swimming upstream. I saw flags in conservative areas of Tn be taken down immediately after Obama won. Obama Care is now shredded as retribution against change. Change frightens many. The Villages has an older population. Older populations skew to the right of center politically. Just a fact. Then, older people prefer older ways of doing almost everything, myself included. Progress is slow in the US. That is probably good most of the time. Other issues, for example, like in healthcare it is NOT good. WE in the US have a healthcare system tied NOT to logic or good medical principles, but to a tradition from pre WW2 of tying care to people's jobs-and that from a time when people stayed in ONE job for a lifetime. That is NOT even close to the modern job situation where people change jobs nimbly. Other world countries recognize this, not, unfortunately, the US. The point of all of this is that ALL issues have 2 sides and gray areas. I will opinionate specifically police and social workers later....to be continued

Dilligas 07-14-2020 11:10 AM

Most cops are not bad
 
The best answer for this is to point everyone to watching A&E on Friday and Saturday nights when they have "Live PD". They follow police from 10 or 15 different cities on their shifts and the calls they get. Very few end in gun fights, instead most are intoxication and drug related calls, or a car pulled over for a violation to find intoxication and/or drug problems from abuse to trafficing. Most of the officers are very professional and are trained to handle the social worker aspect. Once in a while, they have to subdue a suspect for a crime and are very cordial with them. They do get some that try to run or fight their way from being arrested, and many are drunk or on drugs when that happens. The energy the suspect develops is amazing agains two or more large trained officers. You will get a lot of respect for the difficult job the police have to do when you watch this show. On of the police departments they follow is Pasco County, on the north side of St. Petersburg.

lkagele 07-14-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1803075)
Does anyone think that social workers will want to be doing this when they start getting hurt or killed?

I'm sure in some instances, sending the wrong personnel will result in violence. Just the appearance of a police officer results in many of these people standing down. Those same people may react differently to an unarmed social worker.

"Stand down or I'll sentence you to 12 weeks of therapy" doesn't carry the same weight as, "Do you really want to be handcuffed and spend the night in jail?".

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1802872)
Do you know the saying, “To a hammer, every problem looks like a nail”? That’s the problem with having cops handle these problems, we are told. I understand that cops are often not properly trained to act as counselors for these problems. Drunk? Cuff them! Mental health crisis? Use the Taser! Drug overdose? Take them to jail!

Well, of course, that’s not really the way it is. In most instances, they do a better job and make the right decisions and save lives. So is a social worker ready to handle any of these problems when people turn violent? Are they armed? Will they have police backup? Will someone with schizophrenia off his meds understand that this is a “safe” social worker? Would you be willing to handle these problems unarmed on the street or in someone’s house without backup? I wouldn’t!

Maybe what will happen is that one cop and one social worker will start riding together. Cop for handling violence and providing protection, social worker for people who need help solving, say, a homeless crisis or a reference to a drug counselor. Then the social worker would have protection, and the cop could avoid making things worse. But of course, then the cop would have no armed backup unless more cops were called in.

(My dad was the head chaplain for the Denver Police Department and carried a Lieutenant’s shield. He would ride a shift with any cop who wanted to talk, day or night. He didn’t want to carry a gun, so they compromised on his always carrying an Ultra-Stinger flashlight that could blind suspects for a few seconds and crack any skull if swung properly. Maybe social workers would carry these flashlights.)

Perhaps instead, cops should be required to have solid college coursework in social welfare and counseling and thorough training in de-escalation techniques. It would help a LOT if they would learn to speak with a calm, relaxing voice instead of shouting at people to get on the ground. I know a lot of the people cops deal with are low-lifes who treat them badly. That shouldn’t be. The lack of respect shown to police officers is at the root of the problem of “racist” cops. They learn that from how they are treated. I can’t blame them. They aren’t superheroes. But the cycle of abuse has to start somewhere, and it’s easier to train a thousand cops to calm down and de-escalate than train a hundred thousand angry people who have been taught from childhood to hate cops.

Great logic. Well written. Keep it up.

Get real 07-14-2020 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sloanst (Post 1803041)
OK liberals. You wanted this. Time for you to step up and take point.

That is the funniest thing I have read all day. Thank you. :1rotfl:

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2020 11:19 AM

It might help to see what the concept of "defunding" the police actually entails, because the word seems to be tripping everyone up. Here is what communities with defunded police departments actually look like, and the organization partly responsible for the success of the concept:

Defund police, as BLM wants? What it means in cities that have started

and

'CAHOOTS': How Social Workers And Police Share Responsibilities In Eugene, Oregon : NPR

and

the organization's website:

CAHOOTS | White Bird Clinic

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1802876)
UK police officers do not carry guns on a regular basis...follow the mother country

I agree but the US is, unfortunately, awash in guns on the street. One of many problems and differences between the US and the UK, like National Health Care.

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rlcooper70 (Post 1802891)
Have you done a bit of research on what happened with Camden NJ defunded the entire police department? They had 350 officers in 2010 and the entire county now has 401 (2018) ... crime is nearly half and cost is way down as the government pensions were "modified". And replacing "some" officers with social workers is very different than replacing the entire force. Ha ha. Or were you not aware that 25 is only 4.5% of the 562 police officers? Did you over-react? Shame on you.

I agree and clever rebuttal, kudos.

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1802894)
In regard to St Pete mayor's loonesy we are in a very safe location but armed and trained, should the perils of the mob of thugs come here.

Are we not men? Have we no empathy? Are we trigger happy? Is everything NEW a threat.

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1802899)
It works out so much better in Sumter County no matter what everyone gets jailed. For everyday you spend in jail a person is assessed $50 on top of fine. Then may get some type of mental health or substance abuse help usually these people have minimum paying job with no health insurance ultimately no counseling’s its a revolving door. The only help for offenders I have seen in our area is House of Hope prayer counseling.

That is sad! Are we too old for empathy? What would Jesus think?

retiredguy123 07-14-2020 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1803097)
I agree but the US is, unfortunately, awash in guns on the street. One of many problems and differences between the US and the UK, like National Health Care.

Not only are there guns on the street, but I think there are even more guns in people's homes. And, that is where the unarmed social workers will need to go to respond to many of the 911 calls.

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by allsport (Post 1802910)
Nurses have handled these situations for decades without fire power. Violent people cause violence and the police have escalated situations for years. Rarely in the ED did we need to call police and we had most of those situations present on a regular basis. Call when you need help.

Thanks for your comment and thanks for your life-giving service!

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 1802965)
Hell’s Belles, most police work is social work. If the responding official has the the skills, training and temperament to handle these calls without further entangling the criminal justice system, so much the better. Gives more time for police to handle police business, like the pickpockets, muggers, and thieves that prey upon visitors. Gives the courts more time to handle criminal business, and it saves taxpayer dollars.

That was a "somewhere man" good opinion!

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Get real (Post 1802993)
It's time for the American public to decide what we want from law enforcement. Warriors? Counselors? Guardians? Priests? Social workers? Magicians?
Do we want the cheapest cops possible? Or, do we want well-trained and well-screened cops who are equipped with every tool needed for every possible eventuality?
Or do we want the beat cop from grandaddy's hometown, with nothing but a smile, a wheelgun and one set of cuffs?
Really, we want it all. Admit it, we do – and we want it all without paying for any of it.
Every officer needs to be an empathetic, well-spoken, SEAL-trained ninja, with double majors in psychology and social work, who considers the job a calling, and has no bills to pay, no nerves to fray, and enforces the law completely objectively while also using discretion at all times, unless it's going to result in arresting – or not arresting – the wrong person at the wrong time, for the wrong thing, in the opinion of every member of the public.
If that person existed, he wouldn't work for you. So we've got to deal with what exists, and what exists are humans.
Humans are fallible, and their bodies are frail. Their brains play tricks on them when they're under stress, and then keep them from sleeping by replaying the stressor on an endless loop later, trying to find ways to "fix" whatever went wrong.
Humans come in varieties, not exactly like dog breeds, but close enough that the analogy works: If you need a bite dog, you don't start with a Golden Retriever. Possibly, you can teach the Golden to bite on command, if you're persistent enough, and mean enough, but in the process, you'll ruin everything that made him a Golden to begin with.
Now translate that back to people.
Warriors, soldiers and great war generals like Patton may live for the fight but they don't always play well with others after the battle. They can be harsh. They can use bad language in settings where you wish they were polite. They find humor in ugly, dark places that just frighten the rest of society. They're not always...nice.
If you want only a cuddly, soft, empathetic officer whose first response is always a soft answer and compassion, you can have that. She'll never embarrass her chief at Coffee with a Cop. He'll present well on camera every time and remind you of someone's grandfather. He'll be the perfect SRO until there's an active shooter at your kid's school.
Suddenly, society insists on the warrior.
They want the demon Malinois, 55 pounds of rawhide, spring steel and gator teeth, driving into the gunfire and doing anything it takes – anything – to keep the children safe.
And once the threat is gone, society wants the Malinois to morph back into the therapy dog. They want the warrior gone, the counselor returned, the off switch thrown.
That's not how it works.
And it's not fair.
I tell you now: the unicorn doesn't exist. You can't have it. What you can have is a human.
If you recruit well, conduct thorough background checks and train constantly, you can have a human with a kind heart and good ethics who is willing to fight hard, be uncomfortable and even get hurt for you.
You can have a human who tries. You can have someone who struggles, who sometimes fails, who gets better with time and experience and who has setbacks.
But you can't have perfection. In fact, you can break perfectly good humans by insisting they be something they can't be – things no one can be.
Decide now that as long as cops get recruited from the human race, they're going to be exactly human, with everything that means. The rest of society is also human, after all.
Maybe it's time we decide what we want from the rest of us, too.

Very thoughtful and thought-provoking, kudos. I will add one more to the fray--police and criminals are recruited from the SAME social class. As an aside- maybe we should put more $ into developing Robo-Cops?

NoMoSno 07-14-2020 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 1803088)
The best answer for this is to point everyone to watching A&E on Friday and Saturday nights when they have "Live PD". They follow police from 10 or 15 different cities on their shifts and the calls they get. Very few end in gun fights, instead most are intoxication and drug related calls, or a car pulled over for a violation to find intoxication and/or drug problems from abuse to trafficing. Most of the officers are very professional and are trained to handle the social worker aspect. Once in a while, they have to subdue a suspect for a crime and are very cordial with them. They do get some that try to run or fight their way from being arrested, and many are drunk or on drugs when that happens. The energy the suspect develops is amazing agains two or more large trained officers. You will get a lot of respect for the difficult job the police have to do when you watch this show. On of the police departments they follow is Pasco County, on the north side of St. Petersburg.

Unfortunately, Live PD was permanently taken off the air by A&E.
Not politically correct?

jimjamuser 07-14-2020 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1803094)
It might help to see what the concept of "defunding" the police actually entails, because the word seems to be tripping everyone up. Here is what communities with defunded police departments actually look like, and the organization partly responsible for the success of the concept:

Defund police, as BLM wants? What it means in cities that have started

and

'CAHOOTS': How Social Workers And Police Share Responsibilities In Eugene, Oregon : NPR

and

the organization's website:

CAHOOTS | White Bird Clinic

Thanks for that link.....Cahoots was VERY good.

Stu from NYC 07-14-2020 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1803114)
Unfortunately, Live PD was permanently taken off the air by A&E.
Not politically correct?

Sad that the pandering will not allow the good that the police do to be shown.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1803119)
Thanks for that link.....Cahoots was VERY good.

They still are. But they can't work in a vacuum. They work WITH the police, not against them, and not instead of them. They are an adjunct. The Police Departments are supposed to be part of civil and social services of any municipality. They are -not- supposed to be a military or quasi-military branch of the municipalities. But because of violent crime, they have less opportunity to appropriately train, and not enough resources to appropriately respond, to "all things." They CANNOT and should not be expected to be all things to all people.

These days, you don't call the fire department to get a cat off a roof or tree. You call the animal rescue organization. The fire department isn't being paid to rescue cats from trees and rooftops. Nor should they be. They need to focus their energy on fires and other serious life-threatening emergencies.

The same should be said for the police. You don't call the cops when your neighbor is having a heart attack, you call an ambulance. Why would you call the cops when the same neighbor is having a nervous breakdown and throwing his empty beer bottles at the walls of his own garage? Better to call a social worker. Or even better - call 911, and have 911 dispatch the social worker with police backup "just in case" the guy starts aiming those bottles at the social worker.

That is risk reduction, and efficient job specialization. A person experiencing emotional trauma is not likely to respond positively to a uniformed cop with his gun out banging on the front door. But they might respond positively to someone dressed neatly in plain clothes, unarmed, who offers an ear on the front porch with a bottle of spring water and a few fresh orange segments (for example).

The cop can be in sight, up the road. Or he could be standing on the sidewalk at the end of the driveway. But it's the social worker who would make the first contact.

This can reduce (and has proven effective in reducing) the potential for violence against - or by - police officers in stressful situations.

petiteone 07-14-2020 12:27 PM

It's a waste of time to have police show up for mental health issues. The police should be freed up to do their job, not the job of trained mental health professionals. Too many times the police have been called upon to handle jobs they're not trained for and many times it goes wrong for the victim. Remember the deaf autistic adult who couldn't understand police commands and they ended up killing him? Police have resorted to their guns when other means would have saved lives of the victim.

Saluce 07-14-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 1803088)
The best answer for this is to point everyone to watching A&E on Friday and Saturday nights when they have "Live PD". They follow police from 10 or 15 different cities on their shifts and the calls they get. Very few end in gun fights, instead most are intoxication and drug related calls, or a car pulled over for a violation to find intoxication and/or drug problems from abuse to trafficing. Most of the officers are very professional and are trained to handle the social worker aspect. Once in a while, they have to subdue a suspect for a crime and are very cordial with them. They do get some that try to run or fight their way from being arrested, and many are drunk or on drugs when that happens. The energy the suspect develops is amazing agains two or more large trained officers. You will get a lot of respect for the difficult job the police have to do when you watch this show. On of the police departments they follow is Pasco County, on the north side of St. Petersburg.

Be careful, you sound like your speaking with some sense.

retiredguy123 07-14-2020 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by petiteone (Post 1803132)
It's a waste of time to have police show up for mental health issues. The police should be freed up to do their job, not the job of trained mental health professionals. Too many times the police have been called upon to handle jobs they're not trained for and many times it goes wrong for the victim. Remember the deaf autistic adult who couldn't understand police commands and they ended up killing him? Police have resorted to their guns when other means would have saved lives of the victim.

How is a 911 operator supposed to diagnose a mental health issue on the phone, and send a mental health professional to handle the situation? I think, in most cases, the police should be the first to respond.

Saluce 07-14-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1803136)
How is a 911 operator supposed to diagnose a mental health issue on the phone, and send a mental health professional to handle the situation? I think, in most cases, the police should be the first to respond.

As a former 911 Dispatcher, I’m asking the same question!! Not all 911 callers are truthful when giving information and more than not officers arrive on a calls of these types and many times there is way more going on than what the caller advised the dispatcher. Also these “Social Worker” type calls that are being earmarked for social workers can go downhill in seconds and that has nothing to do with an officer!! Guns are not the only weapons used when approached by an officer, nor will they be when a social worker arrives.
I see 911 Dispatchers as the next victim the politicians will be blaming, because they aren’t handling the calls right!!!!

Maybe our politicians should focus on the need to fund the mental health issues our country has and the lack of funding and hospitals needed for the treating the mentally ill and drug abuser, which make up most of the calls officers go on.

eremite06 07-14-2020 01:05 PM

Many times in my 30 yr. career, the dispatched problem was not the actual scenario encountered. It's like "a box of chocolates."

Jimmy Lee 07-14-2020 02:31 PM

Get Real your 10:29am post on 7/14/20 about us somehow expecting beyond-human performance from our police was brilliant. The only thing I could add is that we also require cops who can make a decision in 4/10 of a second in a dark alley that will be identical to the decision made by a group of attorneys who've got hours to pour over bodycam footage of the event while sitting in comfortable chairs in complete safety.

TomPerrett 07-14-2020 03:41 PM

Maybe it’s time for a change. Maybe it’s time the police relived of the burden Of being social workers.

Barefoot 07-14-2020 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saluce (Post 1803141)
... snipped .... our politicians should focus on the need to fund mental health issues.

:thumbup:

Stu from NYC 07-14-2020 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Lee (Post 1803185)
Get Real your 10:29am post on 7/14/20 about us somehow expecting beyond-human performance from our police was brilliant. The only thing I could add is that we also require cops who can make a decision in 4/10 of a second in a dark alley that will be identical to the decision made by a group of attorneys who've got hours to pour over bodycam footage of the event while sitting in comfortable chairs in complete safety.

Amazing how many people do not understand this.

Dust Bunny 07-14-2020 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John41 (Post 1802762)
“Crazy as hell” is what a St. Petersburg, Florida resident called the mayor’s plan to replace 25 police with 25 social workers. Beginning October 1 unarmed social workers will be responding to the following “non violent” 911 calls instead of the police.

Disorderly intoxication
Intoxication
Mental health crisis
Drug overdose
Disorderly juvenile
Homeless complaint
Panhandling
Neighborhood dispute

We sometimes visited attractions in the St Pete area. No more.


tHAT WILL ALL GO DOWN THE TUBEWHEN A SOCIAL WORKERGET THEIR ASS KICKED OR WORSE SHOT! POLITICIANS ARE CATERING TO THE WHERE EVER THEY CSAN FIND VOTES.

Stu from NYC 07-14-2020 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dust Bunny (Post 1803256)
tHAT WILL ALL GO DOWN THE TUBEWHEN A SOCIAL WORKERGET THEIR ASS KICKED OR WORSE SHOT! POLITICIANS ARE CATERING TO THE WHERE EVER THEY CSAN FIND VOTES.

They seem to think they will gain more votes than they lose by their recent actions.

Hoping they learn a very difficult lesson and have lots of time to ponder when they are voted out of office.

Get real 07-14-2020 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1803112)
Very thoughtful and thought-provoking, kudos. I will add one more to the fray--police and criminals are recruited from the SAME social class. As an aside- maybe we should put more $ into developing Robo-Cops?

You are exactly correct. Thank you.

talleyjm 07-14-2020 11:25 PM

UK folk get killed with Knives or acid❗️

golfing eagles 07-15-2020 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1803129)
.....

These days, you don't call the fire department to get a cat off a roof or tree. You call the animal rescue organization. The fire department isn't being paid to rescue cats from trees and rooftops. Nor should they be. They need to focus their energy on fires and other serious life-threatening emergencies.....

.

Not a good analogy. A cat in a tree is a cat in a tree. Regardless of whether animal rescue of the fire department gets it down, the rescuer is not going to get shot by the cat. A "disorderly juvenile" or a "mental health crisis" can, and often does, go south in a matter of seconds. Maybe the police do not have enough training to deal with mental health, but certainly a social worker doesn't have the training to deal with a 300 lb. "disorderly juvenile", who may be armed.


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