[Byte1]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Just like Marxism, CRT divides populations. Marxism did it by class. CRT does it by race. Both are used as tools to make ruling the overall populace easier. I'm certainly not a great historian but I doubt very much Martin Luther King would have been an advocate of CRT.

IMO, the US is the least racist country in the world. Have we been perfect? Certainly not. Have we learned from our mistakes and tried to improve our society based on those mistakes? Absolutely. Opportunities for everyone in the country are abundant. The inability of being able to take advantage of those opportunities are primarily the fault of local leadership including the failure of the education system.

Riddle me this batman. If the US is such a racist and oppressed society, why is it that immigrants from all over the world want to come here yet only a microscopic number of people want to leave?

Of course, ONLY white immigrants from all over the world WANT to come here, right? Hmm, the media must be making a mistake because they are showing minorities swimming the Rio to get here. You have to be mistaken, because everyone knows how racist this country really is and would not dare cross our borders to get here. Picture tongue in cheek.
Hey, maybe CRT is just what we need to curb some of this illegal invasions of our border. Make out how "racist" this country is so that nobody would dare be associated with the evil White Supremacist Americans. That's me being facetious again.

[bobdeb]

Originally Posted by S=kBlogW

Ah yes, the ludicrous myth that native american and native african societies were peaceful and virtuous before those nasty white europeans came along. LOL

Native american tribes raped pillaged and enslaved their neighbors like gangbusters long before whitey came along. Same for native africans, where slavery has been going on long before most European countries existed.

Let's face it, humans can be nasty to each other no matter their color, race, or religion.

White people did not invent slavery and conquest, CRT proponents have not studied history.

Sadly true. He nailed it here.

Many folks truly do not wish to be treated equally. They wish to be treated specially.

Not to get into line, but to get to the head of the line.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by rlcooper70

You ask if the black vote is being suppressed today?

Take a look at the restrictions in the Georgia law .... they closed two out of three polling places in the black areas of the inner city. Duh. "Restrict" is a word with a meaning. Closing polling stations is a "restriction". Pretty simple.

Funny how had months to mail in votes and truck loads showed up after the closing poles. And why all the cardboard over the windows?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Do you dismiss all science?

Science has nothing to do with propaganda.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Nanlob

Well put.

It’s an opinion, one sided one. And that’s my opinion.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Please, if you are serious, read this.
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"Could a teacher who wants to talk about a factual instance of state-sponsored racism—like the establishment of Jim Crow, the series of laws that prevented Black Americans from voting or holding office and separated them from white people in public spaces—be considered in violation of these laws?

It’s also unclear whether these new bills are constitutional, or whether they impermissibly restrict free speech.

It would be extremely difficult, in any case, to police what goes on inside hundreds of thousands of classrooms. But social studies educators fear that such laws could have a chilling effect on teachers who might self-censor their own lessons out of concern for parent or administrator complaints."

As English teacher Mike Stein told Chalkbeat Tennessee about the new law: “History teachers can not adequately teach about the Trail of Tears, the Civil War, and the civil rights movement. English teachers will have to avoid teaching almost any text by an African American author because many of them mention racism to various extents.”

The laws could also become a tool to attack other pieces of the curriculum, including ethnic studies and “action civics”—an approach to civics education that asks students to research local civic problems and propose solutions."
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The concerns are implanted by folks with an agenda. The parents are being told, on purpose about Marxism.....has zero...zero to do with anything. Changing history to be taught our children should not be constrained or held back because of adults need for P activism.

I cannot believe any parent would consider shutting out real history from kids because it interferes with their P leaning.


What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

Teacher gets paid to teach state approved curriculum, they don’t get to teach off the cuff. It they can’t teach what state has approved, then they need to find another job. They don’t get to change history or state approved curriculum.

[NancyLee]

[QUOTE=JerryLBell;1958374]From what I've read, critical race theory is really two ideas... During World War II, people of Japanese heritage were robbed of their properties and imprisoned while people of German heritage were not...

Germans were imprisoned also. Having escaped from Nazi Germany, my German father in law, who was an engineer, was taken away with no warning and imprisoned. He had a pregnant wife at the time and she did not know where he was or if he was even alive. Fortunately, she had friends in the Cincinnati area who took care of her.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Funny how had months to mail in votes and truck loads showed up after the closing poles. And why all the cardboard over the windows?

Were you aware at all of what was going on with the pandemic ?

Were you aware of legislatures mandated how votes are counted ?

Any of this sounds familiar at all ?

Your premise, direct from the bastion of truth was dispelled and threw from our courts with extreme prejudice.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Teacher gets paid to teach state approved curriculum, they don’t get to teach off the cuff. It they can’t teach what state has approved, then they need to find another job. They don’t get to change history or state approved curriculum.

Then allow them.

You are speaking and endorsing an elected officials idea of changing history, and telling them to teach it tge way that or those elected officials want it taught.

Nobody has been teaching "off the cuff" for the last 40 years, but you are endorsing that exact thing.

[Phantomf8]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Very well put. Too many would like to sweep the uglier parts of American history under the rug. Understanding our past is important. It obviously should be as accurate as possible, but two quotes come to mind:

Those who do not learn about history are doomed to repeat it (paraphrased)
And History is written by the winners. (There is NO such thing as "accurate" history).

Well written - EVERYONE should read this and LEARN!!!! Why did so many people die for this beautiful country with all of its faults? Were they "suckers" or were they fighting for what is described above - to preserve what we have built - not to have it torn down!!! We trust they did NOT die in vein!!!!! I've lost five members of my family in the last four wars - WWII, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq. Was it all for nought? Democracy is at best "messy" but its alternative "authoritarianism" [a rule of one] is worse! America resulted from a rebellion against the king [a rule of one] and now it is at risk of slipping back into those destructive chains of authoritarianism. Why? Because of the deep divisions and resultant anger [as so accurately described above] being played upon by political malfeasance.

The definitions of "equality" and "equity" are twisted around to define the moment which can result in a hazardous, slippery slope as defined in another response above - annihilation of capitalism is an extreme as is Marxism resulting in the eradication of the rule of law replaced by temporary "people power" which is self destructive and, in the long run, ends in authoritaranism such as exists in Russia. China's evolution of family dynasties till they were overthrown in the guise of "people power" again resulted in authoritarianism as we witness today.

Are we next? Are we going to tear each other apart until the rule of law is no longer? That gangsters - in the guise of preserving our country - will run rampant, as did the brown shirts before Hitler took control, suppressing and killing all those deemed in opposition to the new rule? Or ruler?

I for one, hope not! I pray that my, and everyone else's, ancestors did not die in vein defending this democracy. I pray that we ALL wake up in America, put down our frenzied differences, stop yelling at each other and LISTEN! There's the good, the bad and the ugly on all sides that need to be addressed so that we and democracy [no matter how messy] can survive!

[Neils]

Originally Posted by Nick B

Who the lizard people? You are in America's whitest home town. You'll be ok.

And Detroit or Birmingham might be the blackest home town. So what is your point???
Who cares

Go count skin colors and try to feed division someplace else

All races live and are welcome in TV and never have riots in the streets

Lets keep it a great place

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Phantomf8

Well written - EVERYONE should read this and LEARN!!!! Why did so many people die for this beautiful country with all of its faults? Were they "suckers" or were they fighting for what is described above - to preserve what we have built - not to have it torn down!!! We trust they did NOT die in vein!!!!! I've lost five members of my family in the last four wars - WWII, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq. Was it all for nought? Democracy is at best "messy" but its alternative "authoritarianism" [a rule of one] is worse! America resulted from a rebellion against the king [a rule of one] and now it is at risk of slipping back into those destructive chains of authoritarianism. Why? Because of the deep divisions and resultant anger [as so accurately described above] being played upon by political malfeasance.

The definitions of "equality" and "equity" are twisted around to define the moment which can result in a hazardous, slippery slope as defined in another response above - annihilation of capitalism is an extreme as is Marxism resulting in the eradication of the rule of law replaced by temporary "people power" which is self destructive and, in the long run, ends in authoritaranism such as exists in Russia. China's evolution of family dynasties till they were overthrown in the guise of "people power" again resulted in authoritarianism as we witness today.

Are we next? Are we going to tear each other apart until the rule of law is no longer? That gangsters - in the guise of preserving our country - will run rampant, as did the brown shirts before Hitler took control, suppressing and killing all those deemed in opposition to the new rule? Or ruler?

I for one, hope not! I pray that my, and everyone else's, ancestors did not die in vein defending this democracy. I pray that we ALL wake up in America, put down our frenzied differences, stop yelling at each other and LISTEN! There's the good, the bad and the ugly on all sides that need to be addressed so that we and democracy [no matter how messy] can survive!

Well said..teach the truth and do not allow elected officials to run the curriculum

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Nick B

Who the lizard people? You are in America's whitest home town. You'll be ok.

I think, but he can speak for himself, that Grumpy was being sarcastic at the yelling and screaming about those who wish to protect our history and allow our children to learn truth.

[ithos]

Can someone show me where teaching people to judge others by the color of their skin, disparage our founding principals and waging a campaign to demonize police has improved the conditions of the inner city?

How did it work out in Minneapolis, Baltimore or Ferguson?

How about we try some other ideas like pressuring Nike and the like to build their factories in cities with chronic unemployment where kids are spending everything they have for their shoes.

Coalition to End Forced Labour in the Uyghur Region

[stadry]

assuming educators have no agendas