[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I do not consider a requirement of an ID as "anti-voting laws" If you are referring to GA's laws changing the times, you should read what they actually specify, rather the erroneous statements from political pundits. No one has made any laws limiting or preventing legal voters from voting. If anything, it has become too easy to vote.

It seems the group against more government influence and party power is changing a bit......now, for example, in Georgia "The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board."

This is a great recap......

"https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us/politics/georgia-voting-law-annotated.html

IN addition and getting back to the topic of the thread....same folks who want LESS government involvement now want to strike things from history.....elected officials, now.

Tell our kids the truth every case

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

I do not consider a requirement of an ID as "anti-voting laws" If you are referring to GA's laws changing the times, you should read what they actually specify, rather the erroneous statements from political pundits. No one has made any laws limiting or preventing legal voters from voting. If anything, it has become too easy to vote.

Listening to political "pundits" is never a good idea. My reason for checking everyones post for who they are plagiarizing, stealing from, trying to hide source, etc.

Social media is a bad thing for any serious discussion of any subject

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Is that how your children were educated ? Is that how you want your grandchildren educated ?

NO FACTS allowed unless elected officials decide it is ok to teach.

Right

What are talking about? Facts? Elected officials? Maybe you meant to respond to someone else?

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Listening to political "pundits" is never a good idea. My reason for checking everyones post for who they are plagiarizing, stealing from, trying to hide source, etc.

Social media is a bad thing for any serious discussion of any subject

And yet............

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

It seems the group against more government influence and party power is changing a bit......now, for example, in Georgia "The Republican-controlled legislature has more control over the State Election Board."

This is a great recap......

"https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/02/us/politics/georgia-voting-law-annotated.html

IN addition and getting back to the topic of the thread....same folks who want LESS government involvement now want to strike things from history.....elected officials, now.

Tell our kids the truth every case

First off, the NYtimes?? Really???
Please give me specifics of those folks that "want to strike things from history" other than those that wish to wipe names off of building, streets, and remove statues. The also want "less government?"

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Photo ID.

My objection is to the claim and posts that say you can vote with no ID, skipping the hard part....registerinG

I am trying to recall when i changed my party affiliation I think I also needed the PHOTO identification and maybe one other form......I may be getting that mixed with the various forms of identification used at DMV.

I might add I found voting by mail in 2020 a bit more difficult than going to the polls.....Although since all elections are run by the state, at my age, they all run together

You're definitely mixing up things. I registered to vote via mail. I changed my affiliation from unaffiliated to democrat just so I could vote in the democratic primary, and I did that online. I switched back to unaffiliated after the primary, again, online.

When I voted in person in the primaries, I was not required to show any ID at all, just my name and address, and they let me vote. When I voted early at the presidential election, I had to do it at the Lady Lake public library, and they checked my drivers' license to make sure I was who I said I was.

As long as you can prove that you are really you, that's all that SHOULD be required for the actual vote. If they need citizenship proof, then that should be part of the registration process.

Once you're registered, you shouldn't ever need to prove that you are a citizen of the USA. The fact that you ARE registered is proof enough.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

What are talking about? Facts? Elected officials? Maybe you meant to respond to someone else?

Just trying to get the thread back to the subject.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

First off, the NYtimes?? Really???
Please give me specifics of those folks that "want to strike things from history" other than those that wish to wipe names off of building, streets, and remove statues. The also want "less government?"

The example is anti CRT launch AND the subject of the thread

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

You're definitely mixing up things. I registered to vote via mail. I changed my affiliation from unaffiliated to democrat just so I could vote in the democratic primary, and I did that online. I switched back to unaffiliated after the primary, again, online.

When I voted in person in the primaries, I was not required to show any ID at all, just my name and address, and they let me vote. When I voted early at the presidential election, I had to do it at the Lady Lake public library, and they checked my drivers' license to make sure I was who I said I was.

As long as you can prove that you are really you, that's all that SHOULD be required for the actual vote. If they need citizenship proof, then that should be part of the registration process.

Once you're registered, you shouldn't ever need to prove that you are a citizen of the USA. The fact that you ARE registered is proof enough.

There you go....no interest in "mixing things up". I vote each year. I registered to vote in Pennsylvania way back. I came here in 1998, and was required to show photo ID to register to vote.. I said I "think" I had to show photo I'd when I changed my affliction, but actually not sure.

Thus not completely understand how I mixed things up.

The point was that those who keep insisting people are voting without ID are wrong.

Sorry I mixed you up...continue and the dumb guy will shut up. I really thought we were discussing election law, run by individual states, and the Georgia law. I was simply inserting the thought that I am tired of hearing about people voting with no I'd. No state I am aware of allows that, but it is bandied about as a truism. No intention to cause disruption.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I completely agree with your post.

My concern is that laws are being passed with no evidence that they actually solve a real problem. They appear to be based on the idea of "someone MIGHT" do something.

I believe that was the point of the post "laws being passed in search of a problem".

There have been literally hundreds of millions of dollars donated and spent in the last 6 months to prove massive election manipulation and fraud. And yet, so far there is no proof. LOTS of talking, but no proof.

So, my question is, is it more important to stop 100 illegal votes at the cost of denying potentially thousand of legal voters the right to vote?

The basic flaw in your argument is "deny thousands of legal voters". Please provide evidence and proof that these laws would do that.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

The basic flaw in your argument is "deny thousands of legal voters". Please provide evidence and proof that these laws would do that.

The law will suppress the vote. How much...who knows. Every verse of the law has the thrust of making it harder to vote, thus suppressing vote.

Remember the days when the same folks were pushing and running ads to please vote ?

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

And that reason is that the US is in an era of "crazy times chaos" from which it may or may NOT recover!

We are at a cusp in history, of that there is no doubt. Whether we are able to recapture our Great Experiment as a Constitutional Republic hangs in the balance. Right now the forces of totalitarianism and anarchy are trying to consolidate their power and "transform" our Nation into a Socialist, one party dictatorship. Indoctrination of our school age children is one way to ensure compliance and obedience with the youngest , etc. The threat is real and I am not willing to surrender .Never say, "It can't happen here".

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

The basic flaw in your argument is "deny thousands of legal voters". Please provide evidence and proof that these laws would do that.

I would absolutely provide evidence of thousand of voters denied the opportunity to vote as soon as you provide evidence of massive voter fraud - enough to change the outcome of ANY presidential election.

My point was anything that makes it harder for legal voters to vote is bad, and anything that makes it easier for legal voters to vote is good.

I will be around if you can show the need for the laws to protect our votes.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Right now the forces of totalitarianism and anarchy are trying to consolidate their power and "transform" our Nation into a Socialist, one party dictatorship. ".

Can you show any evidence of your claim? I understand Hundreds of millions of dollars have been donated to help prove election fraud, which appears to be at the heart of your argument. Please provide ANY evidence that $100M and 6 months have proven?

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Please.......that is answered on TV news shows almost EVERY NIGHT for the last 4 years. The "old school", normal TV channels.

The "old school, in the tank with one certain party, media". That's your news source??