[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by saratogaman

One problem with your question -- critical race theory it's not being taught in schools. It's being hyped by some media and politicians just like Sharia Law was hyped in recent years as though it's a real problem...just to scare people. Let's not fall victim to yet another bunch of hokum.

So all those parents, lite skinned and dark skinned, you read about in the papers or see on TV protesting at school board meetings are simply figments of the imagination? And the teachers who have been fired or chose to resign rather than teach lies are also non-existent ?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

So all those parents, lite skinned and dark skinned, you read about in the papers or see on TV protesting at school board meetings are simply figments of the imagination? And the teachers who have been fired or chose to resign rather than teach lies are also non-existent ?

Those people protesting, are protesting something they don't understand. Critical Race Theory is not an actual class, or lesson. It's not a thing being taught. There've been several posts on this thread explaining that, some with links to websites that explain it really really well, in layman's terms.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The Federal government or the COURTS need to stop those state anti-voting laws. It IS a step toward a Dictatorship.

The laws are to eliminate voter fraud which is rampant.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Aloha. I want to state that I respect both women and men and their ideas. It is clear to me that some posters do not have a lot of respect for one or the other gender and their views.

I really do think we need to have laws that encourage real people to show up and show I.D. in order to vote in public elections. I think the chance of certain groups manipulating people and voting is very high. Some would go so far to pick them up at their homes and PAY them to vote. To me that destroys the very essence of fair elections.

I don't think that most people dislike new immigrants at all. I would say that I speak for the majority of people in the U.S. when I say that good people are welcome and those that want to sell people or drugs are not. All around us in Florida we have so many great examples of hard working, saving, diligent and honest immigrants who want to be a success in this great land. And then there are a few who are here to harm us and use us. We need SOME controls to keep the bad people out. I have a REAL problem as a mother understanding how anyone could allow their child to come here or anywhere far from home unattended by someone who will protect them. It goes against ALL instinct that women are born with and all the high oxytocin we keep once we become a mother.

Gracie;
You are one of the voices of reason on TOTV and I always respect your opinion. You are absolutely correct. I fail to comprehend how ANY American would not support elections ONLY for Citizens. That is our law as outlined in our Constitution.

Some here ask, "Where is the problem?" My answer is, the problem may or may not be currently present but if we fail to protect against any voting procedures that might make fraud easier, then we all but ensure that legitimate citizen votes will be marginalized.

I welcome all who want to come to this country LEGALLY and contribute to the tapestry that is the American people. I have no truck with those who encourage anyone to circumvent our immigration laws, including those at the highest levels of government.

We are either a Nation of Laws or we are not a Nation at all.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Bucco

The law will suppress the vote. How much...who knows. Every verse of the law has the thrust of making it harder to vote, thus suppressing vote.

Remember the days when the same folks were pushing and running ads to please vote ?

Again, proof??

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

I would absolutely provide evidence of thousand of voters denied the opportunity to vote as soon as you provide evidence of massive voter fraud - enough to change the outcome of ANY presidential election.

My point was anything that makes it harder for legal voters to vote is bad, and anything that makes it easier for legal voters to vote is good.

I will be around if you can show the need for the laws to protect our votes.

I never said anything about "massive voter fraud". And again, please provide specific and concrete proof that these laws would make it harder to vote legally. As I have stated, any law that makes it harder to commit fraud while ensuring that only Citizen votes are counted and only counted once, is a good thing.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Can you show any evidence of your claim? I understand Hundreds of millions of dollars have been donated to help prove election fraud, which appears to be at the heart of your argument. Please provide ANY evidence that $100M and 6 months have proven?

It is not my job to do your research for you. And again, I NEVER said anything about "proving election fraud". You seem fixated on that topic for some reason.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by orangeblossombaby

those people protesting, are protesting something they don't understand. Critical race theory is not an actual class, or lesson. It's not a thing being taught. There've been several posts on this thread explaining that, some with links to websites that explain it really really well, in layman's terms.

o-m-g

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

Gracie;
You are one of the voices of reason on TOTV and I always respect your opinion. You are absolutely correct. I fail to comprehend how ANY American would not support elections ONLY for Citizens. That is our law as outlined in our Constitution.

Some here ask, "Where is the problem?" My answer is, the problem may or may not be currently present but if we fail to protect against any voting procedures that might make fraud easier, then we all but ensure that legitimate citizen votes will be marginalized.

I welcome all who want to come to this country LEGALLY and contribute to the tapestry that is the American people. I have no truck with those who encourage anyone to circumvent our immigration laws, including those at the highest levels of government.

We are either a Nation of Laws or we are not a Nation at all.

Please share with all of us with "no reason" who exactly supports voting for non Americans ?

Then, subsequently, allow and share any incidents of such things happening ?

Thank you.

As PS....illegal immigrants voting was the charge made in 2016. Including the commission formed to investigate, there has not been one single case of such voting ever shown. Commission was disbanded

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Voter fraud isn't rampant. There was no widespread voter fraud, AT ALL. Nationwide. It didn't happen. Various political entities that lost elections demanded recounts. Recounts were performed. Various political entities even got to hand-pick the people doing the recounts, even though those hand-picked people are in groups that had ZERO experience in performing voter recounts. And they came up with nothing. These people who are making up fraudulent votes where none have occurred, are the same people who are making up the ridiculous claim that teachers are teaching students to hate white people.

It's fiction. It's not happening. It's make-believe, being created by people who want to divide this country and destroy it, and spread by the people who are either not bright enough or not interested enough in actual facts, to see beyond the fairytale.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

o-m-g

She is correct. Been around for 40 years. Suddenly, a party decided that it would make a great theme to attack and scare. They added the word "Marxist" to scare a bit more, and away webgo.

There are no teachers of CRT, no textbook of CRT and fear of the word is nothing but showing ignorance.

AND you make the opposition stronger with crazy, insane accusations and conspiracies.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aloha1

And just how many of these laws have you actually read, pray tell?

It's all in the news recently and will continue. All the states with a certain party in control are PUSHING voter suppression laws because they feel that they need an edge. They are going to try to pass phony laws like in Arizona, Utah. and Georgia. They have NO SHAME OR PATRIOTISM. These laws are also RACIST because they are designed to limit Black and Brown votes. Any NEWS story on TV or in a newspaper will have details on how the wording of the laws is suppressive in nature.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

The laws are to eliminate voter fraud which is rampant.

As the courts in over 60 cases have said in the last 8 months...show us.

As the commission installed in 2016 said.....it doesn't exist.

As our own government has said...2020 was the safest most secure election in history.

[Joe V.]

Originally Posted by Bucco

As the courts in over 60 cases have said in the last 8 months...show us.

As the commission installed in 2016 said.....it doesn't exist.

As our own government has said...2020 was the safest most secure election in history.

What a comedian you are!

[Bucco]

The shame of beating this election stuff to death is that all you need to do is look at the results.

Losing party did pretty well in congressional and senate elections. Fairly well in state elections.

Where it was lost was at the top of the ticket. So much either split votes or skipping to vote at the top.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...idential-race/

And as for Georgia being discussed....

"77,000 Georgia Voters Skipped The Top Of The Ticket"

77,000 Georgia Voters Skipped The Top Of The Ticket | Georgia Public Broadcasting

Why do you think so many voted GOP except at the top